Pac-Man Jones and Matt Jones

by FSBlueApocalypse on Oct 16, 2008 2:19 AM EDT Comment 22 comments

I'm not trying to start a flame war between blogs here, but I felt it was worth a mention. After the several incidents that have occurred to the Cowboys, I checked out the local Cowboy blog Blogging The Boys to see what their users had to say about things. On the thread that dealt with the Pac Man's indefinite suspension, several posters brought up the fact that our WR Matt Jones was not suspended as well by Tsar Goodell.

I must say, the ratio between testicle and brain size has got to be close to 1 to 1 to use that kind of logic. Either everyone who agreed with that statement must wear specially fitted jeans, or as I suspect, has a brain the size of a walnut.

Defending the actions of a player who had a dozen previous run ins with the law against a player, who while criticized for his lack of effort, had no previous run ins with the law is preposterous. Pac Man Jones knew that if he farted in the wrong direction he could get a lifetime ban from the league, and he still decided to start an altercation with a bodyguard the Cowboys hired to keep him out of trouble. Let me repeat this, A BODYGUARD THE COWBOYS HIRED TO KEEP HIM OUT OF TROUBLE. Whether or not alcohol was involved, whether or not the police were involved, Jones knew if he made even page 2 material for negative off the field material he could be kicked out of the league.

There is no defending Pac-Man Jones at this point. There more I read about the incident, I amend more earlier comments, and if I were Tsar Goodell , I would have tossed him out of the league.

Compare this Matt Jones, who got caught doing a while illegal narcotic, how many of us have had the police come up on us at various times in our life doing stupid things.

The biggest difference, for the first time in his career, Matt Jones is looking like a 1st round receiver while Pac-Man Jones continues his self-destruction of his NFL career.

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I wondered

about this situation as well. Did Matt get anything from the NFL? I figured he’d get something, not a suspension or anythin but maybe have to enroll in the leagues drug program or wahtever.

by JirafaBo on Oct 16, 2008 9:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That seems to be the most likely route the will go. Unless we find out Matt Jones was moving a couple kilos on the side he’ll have to do sometime in a NFL drug center for PR purposes.

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your f***in' mouth."-Bill Hicks

by FSBlueApocalypse on Oct 16, 2008 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think he was moving anything.

If that was the case then he would not have been admitted to this diversionary program. He would have been brought up on intent to distribute charges had it been a significant amount. He probably only had an 8 ball, and was cutting it up with who he was with.

by JagsCub on Oct 16, 2008 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hope he isnt suspended

Im only saying that as a fan. If he does get a suspension then he does deserve it. As for Pacman, I was angry when he was allowed back into the league. On top of that the Cowboys traded for him so you know he was happy. It made me sick and now when I turn on NFL network all I get are stories involving the Cowboys. What about the other 31 teams?

by JagSoldier on Oct 16, 2008 9:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Sorry to disagree

But cocaine is a very serious charge. I do not advocate letting someone off from consequences because they happen to be catching a lot of footballs recently. I just think it sends the wrong message which is play good football and all off field activity will be overlooked.

The message should be, play good football and you will be paid. Disrespect and break the law and you will be punished. Don’t mix the two up.

by Tkopa on Oct 16, 2008 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think he is being let off.

We have no idea what is going to happen. We will only know if he is suspended. Other than that we will never know. As far as consequences, I believe he is getting what any normal person is offered when they are given the opportunity to enter a first time offenders program. He has quite a big burden to deal with now, and on top of all the requirements from the Diversion program…he will be subject to whatever the drug progam for the NFL will require of him.

Furthermore, it’s not like this has been a recurring theme with MJ. We all make mistakes, and hopefully MJ will chalk this up to a lesson learned. Cris Carter had this same issue when he was with the Eagles, but after being traded to the Vikings look what he became.

by JagsCub on Oct 16, 2008 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Personally

I find arrests and trials for drug use the biggest waste of time for our judicial system. I would elaborate, but as per Chris’s wishes, I’ll keep political talk to a minimum. If anyone disagrees, feel free to contact me on AIM, my SN is FSBlueApocalypse.

As for Matt Jones’ individual case, he isn’t really getting off the hook. He got exactly what most first time offenders would have gotten.

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your f***in' mouth."-Bill Hicks

by FSBlueApocalypse on Oct 16, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

most...

first time offenders with lots of cash.

by JirafaBo on Oct 16, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

As much justice,

as you can afford, that’s the American Way right?

It’s not just athletes, and stars. I’ve seen a local guy get away with 4 DUI’s and not spend a day in jail. The last one he had a QP of pot on his front seat. Not a problem. I mean he has no driver’s license now, but he’s never seen more than a day or two in the clink.

by Pyrofish on Oct 16, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

not really

most first time offenders with possession charges are given deferment.

by abeaugh on Oct 16, 2008 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

But

This was his 4th DUI, and it was quarter pound. I’ve had a DUI, and didn’t have the money to get the ‘justice’ I have seen others get. I went through the full ringer over 10 years ago. At that time, they said, 3rd DUI was mandatory jail time. This guy got away with a 4th, and intent to distribute….. His grandmother could afford ‘justice’.

The DUI thing, obviously, you shouldn’t drive impaired. The other thing, well… in any case, my point was, It’s all in how much justice you can afford. It’s not even affording the right lawyer. Your lawyer will tell you there are avenues he can take that are more expensive than others. That is your key to say, “whatever it costs man.” I didn’t say that, and I got pounded. My buddy did say it….

by Pyrofish on Oct 16, 2008 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

sorry

You were talking about Jones weren’t you… My bad. Jone’s had no priors, and absolutely should be able to salvage his young career. Still probably took cash though..

by Pyrofish on Oct 16, 2008 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

aren't they both named Jones ?

Has Matt Jones been in trouble before ?

by pksiv on Oct 17, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Me too

judging on the production we´ve had from the rest of our guys, and the fact that JDR is just loving our Qb´s ability to throw the ball, having Matt out for a game or two, isn´t something im looking up to.

by jaxjags.. on Oct 16, 2008 10:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Agreed!

How can you even put the two in the same boat? We’re talking about a guy who is in possession with the intent to use. As opposed to a guy who has had numerous runin’s, and has hurt people in the process. What a JOKE! If this guy is not ousted then you can change Tsar to Chump!

Tsar, Jones, and numerous others have said that he had a very “narrow” window in which to operate. Jones goes and hires a personal security detail to protect his investment, and he still messes it up. It is an absolute disgrace, and personally, I’m sick of seeing this “THUG” image/mentality that is displayed in our sports culture today. Now, let’s see that big fuzzy pair, and put this habitual criminal out of the league.

A statement needs to be made, and there is no better time than the present.

by JagsCub on Oct 16, 2008 10:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

League's drug program

That’s a confidential program, and no one but Matt and the League would know. Even the coach doesn’t know if Matt’s in the program. I think they say the only question you’re allowed to ask the League is if the player is suspended based on the program, or something like that. Vic has talked about it in the past.

Speaking of punishments, did anyone happen to notice that 4 Steeler’s racked up $45,000 worth of fines for the Jags game?

$10K for WR Ward being too rough (the league wasn’t specific)
$20K for LB Harrison for criticizing officials
$7500 for S Ryan Clark for a late hit
$7500 for WR Nate Washington for taunting

I was curious if we got any fines for that game. We had a taunting penalty, and then someone decked Ward. I gotta believe some fines were levied there.

by Pyrofish on Oct 16, 2008 10:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

According to Vic...

The teams are not aware of the players involvement in the drug program. The only thing a team may ask is if the player tests positive will he be suspended? Beyond that, nothing is divulged to the players respected teams.

by JagsCub on Oct 16, 2008 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Let me clarify.

If the player test positive “again” will it result in a suspension.

by JagsCub on Oct 16, 2008 12:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I believe so

IIRC, entering the program just means surprise testing, maybe some counseling. Any positive test results in a 4 game suspension whether you’re in the program or not. At leas I think that’s how it works. Vic outlined last year when Stroud was suspended, I think.

by Pyrofish on Oct 16, 2008 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Went and looked

I hate “thinking” something is right, so I found the column:

Vic: (snip) The policy regarding performance-enhancing drugs is different from that pertaining to recreational drugs. In the performance-enhancing category, one failed test results in a four-game suspension. In the recreational category, the first failed test puts a player in the substance abuse program but does not result in a suspension. No mention is made that the player is even in the program. The second violation results in a loss of four games checks, though the player is not suspended. The third violation results in a four-game suspension and the fourth violation results in a one-year suspension.

by Pyrofish on Oct 16, 2008 1:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Man...

Ricky must have been really smoking the Dope!

by Jaghomer on Oct 17, 2008 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

By the way....

The dude didn’t fail a piss test, he was caught ’ white handed ‘. Possession.
Rules shmules. This doesn’t even fall under the substance abuse policy. This is BREAKING THE LAW policy. If he feels that his conduct is inappropriate, he can fine the Jaguars and suspend Matt Jones, period…. according to the new conduct policy.

To be master of oneself and never waver in one's resolve.
- Maximus Desimus Meridius

by jagsrock on Oct 19, 2008 12:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs