Jags-Steelers Postmortem
Where do we begin with this? The defense blowing its 5th straight 4th quarter lead? The glaring absence of a running game? Roethlisberger throwing for over 300 yards and the team allowing a journeyman to run for almost 100?
1. We had a rare sighting of the elusive Rashean Mathis in its natural habitat. Though once abundant, its natural ability to intercept opposing quarterbacks hasn't been seen often as of late. A more common sighting occurred, this the ritual of Brian Williams not covering an opposing wide receiver. It is unknown as to the significance of this ritual, but it is confirmed it gives the opposition 7 points.
2. On the other side, Matt Jones made alot of clutch throws. He has become the go to receiver for the Jaguars. Who would have thought I would ever say those words?
3. The running game has gone beyond using O-Line injuries as an excuse. If thats the root problem than we better be running for 200+ yards a game when Meester comes back.
4. Maybe I'm hitting the panic button but I don't care, I'm officially starting the "Fire Gregg Williams" movement.
5. This is the same defense from 04-06?
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Defense
How long do we give the defense to learn the new system. We are going into week 6 and they still do not look good. Will James just looked horrible and Brian Williams was marginally better. The offense put up 21 points on a tough Steelers defense, we need our own defense to step up and hold some leads. This is way too frustrating to talk about.
by Jags on Oct 6, 2008 12:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
offense put up only 14... our defense scored 7
-Collin
by silencecs on Oct 6, 2008 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
5 weeks into the season and you're seeing the results of a bad off-season below average play.
Jerry Porter brings nothing as of yet. This wasn’t supposed to be a developmental year, this was supposed to be a championship year. Now we really are going to have an uphill battle to win a wild-card spot. I mean we are gonna need to go 11-5 or maybe if we’re lucky 10-6 will get us in. I just think that with all of the tiebreakers we’ve lost by losing to other potential AFC playoff teams may mean that we’ll have to go 11-5 to ensure a wildcard spot.
We now need both Pittsburgh and Buffalo to win their division so that a wild-card spot doesn’t come down to the two of us, because then they already have the tiebreaker and we’re doomed without a better record then them. We must own the Broncos next week… must. 3-3 into the bye will give us a chance to make a run at a few games in a row. This was a tough loss because the Steelers aren’t that good. In fact I hope we draw them in the playoffs again.
This was a tough one though… it’s gonna hurt for awhile… I’m not sure Gregg Williams is the problem, I think it’s the lack of players who are able to execute it. That INT by Mathis was a direct result of a delayed blitz. Aggression has it’s ups and downs. The issuse was all coverage related. James had to be pulled because he was getting burned so bad. It was all coverage and tackling. The D-line did average, our sides are weak against the run when groves and Harvey are in so that must be addressed… so many mistakes and so much crap.
-Collin
by silencecs on Oct 6, 2008 12:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You’re right, ….Steelers aren’t very good this year. But we sure are better than the Jags. I’m not sure why you would wanna “draw” us again. Don’t let the score fool you,….the Jags got dominated tonight.
by ismail on Oct 6, 2008 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our defense was dominated the last 2 games
against Pitt. What makes you think that just because the Steelers dominated the game that it will guarntee the win. It obviously was not the case last year. Also, even though you dominated the game again, it didn’t show on the score board until less than 2 min left in the game. I certainly wouldn’t be using that argument, considering the fact that the 2 games last year, the one last night proves your theory wrong.
by JagsCub on Oct 6, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Firstly, I didn’t have a “theory”,….I was questioning why exactly you would wanna “draw” us?? Not saying we would win,…but you act like we’re a cake walk when you admittedly struggled against us the last 2 games.
Personally I think the whole idea that the Jags dominate the Steelers is very misleading. You guys dominated us 1 game,…a game in which we were depleted on the D-Line because of playing the Pats the previous game,…the playoff game could’ve gone either way and actually if it were not for bad coaching the Steelers should have won that one (2 point conversions calls).
The previous wins before that were against backup Tommy Maddox,…or an injured Roethlisberger.
So again,…why would you wanna “draw” where you winning or losing is a toss up?
by ismail on Oct 6, 2008 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey let me set you straight
I agree that you were not a cake walk, obviously. But to say you dominated us is just out right wrong. The stats may say the Jags were dominated, but we weren’t. Ask your O line if they dominated us. They held on about 75 percent of the plays. That doesn’t scream dominance to me. The pick six also allowed your offense to rack up more yards and plays. It also allowed you to tire our D out and exploit a weakness we had with Will James at corner; a guy I might add we signed off the street just a couple weeks ago. There were plenty of times penalties kept your drives alive, especially on the third and longs (some penalties I might add I didn’t agree, with like the taunting one, when we know darn good and well both sides were yapping off the whole game, Ward in particular. Watch how many times your receivers tried to hand the ball off to a Jag after a catch. It was flagged once, but trust me it happened more often than that.) Also something to note after the position switch to move B Williams to CB replacing James our D got a whole lot tighter, allowing only one more good drive, a drive filled with breath taking plays that could have gone either way at any moment.
To be honest going into this game I thought it would go the way it did in the first half but for the entire game, but the next time we meet I feel a lot better about our chances.
Trust me, you don’t want to meet us in the playoffs.
by Ewdtrey on Oct 6, 2008 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Bonehead!
Where in my post did it say that I thought it was a “cake walk” game? Also, I never said that we dominated. If you actually read the post I said that your team dominated the game. However, it didn’t show on the “SCOREBOARD” until under 2 min. in the game.
BTW, every team has injuries, so don’t give me that crap about being depleted due to injuries by the Pats. Both of our teams were depleted this game, and you still won the frickin game. No team likes to face each other for the second time, but when you have a chance to draw a team you’re familiar with it makes it that much more exciting especially when what you’re playing for has much more significance. Also, any game you play is a toss up. Just ask Denver after the KC game.
by JagsCub on Oct 7, 2008 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said you said it was a “cake walk”,…..but you implied that. Jeez you guys are thick. When you say that you want to “draw” a team,…and that the team “isn’t good”,…..what does that imply??
And to Ewdtrey,..don’t even give me penalties,….the zebras were in the tank for you guys. They made bad calls on BOTH teams but they got us much worse I think thats clear.
by ismail on Oct 7, 2008 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know I bet...
while growing up that you rode the SHORT BUS to school. Again, i didn’t say cake walk, and I didn’t imply anything at all. Obviously, there is a conversation going on in your head that isn’t being discussed here. At least as far as my post’s are concerned. I don’t recall saying that Pitt is not good. So, maybe that’s where you’re getting you wires crossed.
However, with that being said I would like to draw them again because like I said in my earlier post it is beneficial because you are FAMILIAR with that team. That implies nothing IT IS WHAT IT IS. Is that easy enough for you to comprehend now?
Good.
Now BEAT IT you NitWit!
by JagsCub on Oct 7, 2008 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow,..“short bus”,….“nit wit”,….how can I respond to your piercing wit? I won’t even try,…I’ll just let the butt whipping Big Ben and our D gave you guys sink in nice and long. Wallow in it. And enjoy getting lit up by Denver this Sunday.
by ismail on Oct 7, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was far from a butt whipping. That's what you did to the Texans.
by JagsCub on Oct 7, 2008 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look your team played great.
Made the plays when needed. End of Story. Is that good enough for you, or are you that insecure?
by JagsCub on Oct 7, 2008 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it was Gregs fault
The defense was out there a long time and not just because they couldn’t off the field. After a pick 6 the Steelers got another chance to effectively extend their drive. Big Ben made some incredible plays breaking tackles. That is to be expected at least a couple of times. I don’t care who the defense is. The offense also had a hard time staying on the field. With the o line holding as well as it did I think we should have taken shots a little deeper. There seemed to be very little urgency on offense for most of the game. BTW I don’t think people should be pointing fingers at Porter. If he’s not thrown to he can’t do a whole lot. I don’t think there were enough 3 step drops either. Just to get the offense into a rhythm and keep the defense off the field a little longer.
by Ewdtrey on Oct 6, 2008 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It feels like we dismantled the Jaguars
It looks to me like we are trying to move from a running team to a high powered passing team. Vic says it is because we are being stacked at the line, but I am beginning to doubt that. The first play of every game has always been “Fred Taylor the ball carrier, gain of 4”. Those days are gone.
The defense has no personality or underlying intelligence. People are open all over and Ben read every formation easily. No confused quarterback playing us anymore. We are the ones confused and not ready for anything. The Steelers reached deep in the depth chart and put up better runs than our super star runners did. Why?
I’ve said this over and over, I don’t know who this team is. Except for some very very lucky breaks, this could be an 0-5 team and right now looks at best to be an 8-8 team.
I don’t see Jack Del Rio’s stamp on this team anymore.
by Tkopa on Oct 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey John,
I am with you on that “Fire Gregg Williams” movement…. where do I sign up? Our defense went from great to crap in one year, ’ dude’s gotta’ go!’
Oh and by the way, from my seat it appeared that the David Garrard from last year showed up. That dude played his ass off. Unfortunately, Matt Jones, Mike Walker and Marcedes Lewis all had perfect throws in their hands that would have prevented failed 4th down attempts and a punt, that were not caught. Strangely all three had good games…. just not in the clutch moments.
Although, I believe we figured out Lewis’ deal. He only catches balls thrown to the end-zone. Overall it was a great game, we just weren’t on the winning end of it.
Big Ben threw 2 ’ PERFECT ’ passes on that last drive. Bravo, Sir.
To be master of oneself and never waver in one's resolve.
- Maximus Desimus Meridius
by jagsrock on Oct 6, 2008 1:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Something is very wrong
I don’t see the coaching chemistry I used to. I am wondering about how well this coaching team is getting along.
by Tkopa on Oct 6, 2008 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe this
I thought Jacksonville fans were smarter than this, but I’m quickly being proven wrong. If you really think all these problems have to do with Gregg Williams you are out of your mind. This defense was terrible all through the second half of last season and it is because they get zero pressure on the quarterback. You can yell at the defensive coordinator all you want, but there is absolutely nothing he can do when every quarterback he faces can step back and take his time. This is the NFL and it is about big guys pushing big guys and our big guys can’t push anyone. You guys are looking for someone to blame when it’s simply the personnel on the field. Oh and don’t give me that crap about us getting 3 sacks, cause that came as a result of great coverage and Ben holding the ball forever. We never got to him quick
by SoCalStites on Oct 6, 2008 4:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever ...
In Tennessee, Young is out, Collins ( a rusty cigar smokin’ alcoholic) comes in, and what does our wonderful Gregg Williams do? He sends the house! ON THIRD AND LONG WITH A QUARTERBACK WHO JUST WARMED UP FOR THE FIRST TIME IN FOREVER ! How do you not sit back and contain and WIN?!!! HE IS A MORON ! A little kid playing Madden ‘08 wouldn’t have made that mistake. I stood up and screamed, " S#!T !! " in my house when I saw the formation.
Defend him all you want I am not going to discuss something this stupid.
To be master of oneself and never waver in one's resolve.
- Maximus Desimus Meridius
by jagsrock on Oct 6, 2008 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's often a good idea
to send a blitz on a guy coming off the bench. He doesn’t have the rhthym or timing down yet. Not to mention Collins isn’t the type of guy that often escapes blitzes with his feet. It’s an often used stratagey. And when it works, the DC is called a genius. Mind you even if that was a bad call the players were still in position to make plays. Second so what if he called a bad play in the first game. It was the first game. That has nothing to do with how we played against the Steelers.
by Ewdtrey on Oct 6, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No... it's the Defense
When the defense is not even a threat to stop the other team from scoring 6, it’s a defensive problem. My biggest fear last night was an offensive 4th down, because I knew the Jags defensive couldn’t stop a pee-wee team. Something’s wrong! It took a whole half to figure out James sucks? What was that all about? Look at Pittsburgh defense. The Jag’s O had no idea how to read it. That was all scheme.
Nope… there was some hard hitting, but our defense is blowing the season. “Come score on us… everybody does”. Not the Jags of past. It’s the Defense!
by Jaghomer on Oct 6, 2008 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Players Not Plays
I don’t think it is the defensive coordinator, his track record is too good. Look at what he did in Buffalo and with the Redskins. For now, we have two busts with Harvey and Groves, they may develop into fine pass rushers, but for now we are getting zero return on our investment. It doesn’t matter how good the secondary is if you can’t get to the QB! On that note, our secondary is no longer suspect, it is mediocre….. at best.
We are still have no real deep threat with our WRs. Matt Jones has developed into a good receiver, still not worth what we are paying him though. I think it is time we see Witherspoon start lining up as a WR, at least he has the speed to force the defense to respect the passing game.
We can’t run because our blocking is mediocre, not terrible, just mediocre. But, with WRs that really aren’t much of a threat why not stack the box? We are still suffering from a hangover from our bust with R J Soward, theoretically he would be in the prime of his game and a serious problem for defeneses. Bottom line, we haven’t drafted a receiver worth a darn in a long time and one we had has left for Miami (Wilford).
We are looking at best a 10-6 season and lets face it, we aren’t making the playoffs….. At least not at this level of play.
by Kingfysh on Oct 6, 2008 1:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Slow down now.
We shouldn’t expect great immidiate returns. The fact that Harvey is starting says something about how good he is. Between the two of them we have 2 turn overs and a couple of sack for Groves and a half sack from Harvey. Not to mention all the QB hits. (those stats are not exactly official but that’s the least they earned from what I saw) Groves is also doing a good job tackling even when the run is in the direction away from him. He’s got good LB qualities without too many of the bad qualities detrimental to a DE. For a smaller end, he’s playing the run somewhat well. Even though we lost, we have improved every week. With Florence and Meester back, I think we will be much improved.
by Ewdtrey on Oct 6, 2008 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t really agree with you on the blocking. It is much worse than mediocre, with mediocre blocking both Taylor and Jones-Drew can make a lot out of a little. I don’t care if you’re LT, Adrian Peterson, or Barry Sanders, no RB can get very far with blocking like this. No doubt injuries hurt us, but having one of the best running back tandems in the league , not to mention, the best fullback in the league rush for 15 yds combined is completely unacceptable stacked box or not. The problems are up front, not in the play-calling and not in the backfield.
by rusty904 on Oct 6, 2008 1:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Our pass blocking was actually ok.
I think we need to start passing early to set up the run. It’s obvious now we are being stubborn about trying to establish the run. Until our defense gets better we need to be more aggressive on offense early so that we can play with a lead allowing our D to tee off at the QB.
by Ewdtrey on Oct 6, 2008 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all wrong
First about our DEF:
We have same players as last year, lost Stroud, Knight, and G.Jackson, but we added Qroves, Harvey, Florence, healthy Mo Pete, and Sensabaugh….
And we were outplayed by team that started its fourth-string running back who finished the game on 99-yard mark and he averaged 5.8 yards per carry, and played with injured QB that had 309 yards on us, they lost starting OT in game, and are team that allowed 19 sacks so far, with Qb that was sacked, hurried, or hit most than anyother in league!!!
And yesterday he had whole time in the world to throw, and we couldn’t stop the run for most of the game, we know they are going to pass to Miller or Ward and couldn’t stop that.
So coach Villiams, you play what you got, not what you would like ….
Don’t give us that story players didn’t perform, you know what players you have, or you are just bad coach when you don’t see that those players can’t play that or doesn’t know.
it’s your job to see what you got, and use is best way you can.
And you are not doing that, nothing seems to work.
And by the way other teams have injuries too, not an excuse.
Where do I apply for that "Fire Gregg Williams" movement?
On the other side of ball, our OFFENCE, actualy OL couldn’t run, or give enough time Garrard to throw the ball.
We lost LG, and RG, ond OC, and back-up OT ….that is a lot…
and those guys that are filling in right now, they wouldn’t be back ups if they were any good. But also not an excuse…
Steelers have even worst OL, and they had and running and passing game…
And their offence started their fourth RB, and injured QB. We have Garrard, and two great RB’s, and EB.
Garrard didn’t have time to throw it to Porter or Walker deep, only short routes to Matt Jones or Walker… we could use Lewis more and try with Williamson but as long as OL can’t keep presure off Garrard it’s not gonna help us much.
On the other side we could say Steelers have great , fast D, and our OL was banged up…an so, and so… but those are just excuses… we wanted to go to SB, now PO looks so far.
by Nikola R on Oct 6, 2008 5:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
I’m not buying that Vic Ketcham “Players not Plays” BS. At this level it is up to the coaching staff to play with what they have. Don’t tell me out of no where Miami and Atlanta acquired all these great players. It’s their coaching staff.
by Jaghomer on Oct 6, 2008 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it was only up to how good the coach was...
why would they make all their personnel changes?
by Ewdtrey on Oct 6, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
did I say
it was only how good a coach was? At some point somebody has to steer the ship. I’m saying at this level there is parity in positions and players. Yeah there are great players in the game and they stand out. Rothlisberger is better than Garrard. Sorry to say that, but it’s true. Do we bench David until we get a better QB that is a stand out in the league. No – we play with what we have and play to David’s strong points. Same goes on defense. 11 great guys are nothing if they are all covering the same man. No the defense is amiss, and I find it hard to believe the Jags have the 2nd worst “players not plays” in the league.
by Jaghomer on Oct 7, 2008 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FINALLY A STEELERS VICTORY OVER JAX
So nice to not see Garrard living it up with his stupid fedora. Smile it up now jerkoff!
The demon has been exorcised, the Steelers doppelgangers have been vanquished!
God it feels so good to get a win over this team. Have fun trying to get to the playoffs with a losing record in the AFC south!
(yes I know I’m being a jerk, 4 in a row and BS playoff loses will do that)
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
by showtime on Oct 6, 2008 8:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Living in Pa
Has been good. Although I prefer living in FL. Fortunately for me, I married a great woman. Unfortunately, most of the family I married into are Stiller fans. I even have many great fans of the Stillers that I call friends. However, there are those who insist on making an ASS of themselves, and it becomes a bad reflection of those who have class. As opposed to showtime who obviously has none.
I suggest next time you man up (I forgot that’s impossible for TROLLS), and contribute to the dialouge prior to the game. If you can’t do that before the game, don’t be a coward and join up after the win. If that’s the best you can do then just stay at BTSC. Your ruining it for all those who actually have class from the GREAT STEELER nation of which you obviously are not.
BTW you spell LOSSES with two "S"’s. Might I suggest Hooked on Phonics. Also, we have a winning record in the AFC South as of this posting. Finally, the BS loss is a case of a good “No Call” when you consider Ward grabbing the facemask of our DB to draw a PI in the end zone to take the lead.
So, take the win and be glad. Your team won. With that you should be proud.
by JagsCub on Oct 6, 2008 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't man up before the game because I thought for sure the Steelers would lose
Thanks for the spell check BTW, if you could just follow me around and make sure all my posts have proper grammer and spelling that would be great. thanks.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
by showtime on Oct 6, 2008 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for admitting it!
I actually thought the the Steelers would win, and I was unfortunately correct. I’m just saying win with class and lose with class. Bring it before not only after.
BTW, it’s simple English. No one should have to follow you around. Just proof read your post, or like I suggested for you, put some money down and get some Hooked on Phonics.
by JagsCub on Oct 7, 2008 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I admitting I was being a jerk too. It's fun sometimes
I will say this, I never heard a peep out of any Jax fans when they beat the Steelers twice last year at home. But I think that’s just because I’ve never met any Jax fans, and I live in Florida! I think the media did a great job though. They’re the ones who really rubbed it in.
With the spelling, just move forward man, it’s over. I promise I’ll be more careful on this blog from now on.
To add something remotely useful:
After reviewing the schedule, it looks like JAX have 6 or 7 games that they should win. That’s 8 or 9 wins. Is that gonna be enough for wildcard in the AFC? It looks like Baltimore is in the hunt (or the Steelers),
West
Denver 4-1
San Diego 2-3
East
New England 3-1
Buffalo 4-1
There’s only two. I don’t think JAX is getting one.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
by showtime on Oct 7, 2008 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No it's not gonna be enough.
However, I think that this division is still up for grabs. Granted the Titans have a sizeable lead, but we have a favorable schedule the next 4 weeks Den., Cincy, Clev., and Det. before we play Tenn. With our D having finished with this failed experiment of Cover 1 with a safety over top, look for our D to turn it around. This was evident in the Pitt game where Ben had 239yds in the first half, and only 60 in the second by reverting back to the Cover 2.
With that said I think this division can be won with a 10-6 record or an 11-5 record. Not a wild card though. It will require us to win the division.
by JagsCub on Oct 8, 2008 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm referring to Garrard's smile after the playoff win last year.
by Ewdtrey on Oct 6, 2008 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't blame him for being exultant
much like myself here. I’ll just always have that image of garrard and his hat in January burned into my mind. Not this week.
GO STEELERS!!!
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
by showtime on Oct 6, 2008 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greg Wiliams career in football at risk
After being fired at Washington, this is not the next addition to the resume he wanted. If the Jaguars finish near last in defense, which hey are getting closer each week to doing, he won’t be asked back. This is a career ending season for him.
by Tkopa on Oct 6, 2008 8:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There's reason...
About the D… so to speak
There’s a reason that Greg Wiiliams isn’t a head coach any longer…
His defenses get TORCHED! The Jags have been torched for two years now. Everyone in the NFL knows that the Jags can be torched. Will James got yanked because he couldn’t cover anybody, replaced by Brian Williams who played equally as bad.
If you can’t sack the QB and you can cover, you get TORCHED!
Until one or both of those issues are resolved, history will continue to repeat itself.
About the Offense…
Everyone knows that the Jags run the ball…. just like Death and Taxes.
Can we not mix it up? Three straight dives into eight and nine man fronts and punt don’t get it!
Just my humble opinion…
by FL_Native on Oct 6, 2008 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just said it yourself. “The Jags have been torched for two years now”. “If you can’t sack the QB and you can’t cover, you get torched”. What do you people expect of Gregg Williams. He can’t bust out some magical scheme that’ll make up for the fact that we have major personnel difficulties on defense
by SoCalStites on Oct 6, 2008 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
showtime
I know, It must hurt getting manhandled four games in a row by the SAME TEAM.
haha and what’s the deal with Ward? I don’t know if I have ever seen a dirtier/ more dick of a player. Steelers fans and players are a bunch of rude dicks
by harveyismyboy on Oct 6, 2008 9:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"I know, It must hurt getting manhandled four games in a row by the SAME TEAM."
it did, it was horrible, which is why my moral compass is ok with me being a dick right now.
Ward is the man. Whenever you see him up to no good, you can be sure he’s retaliating for someone else screwing him over. Like when he leveled ed reed last monday on a kick return. Can you even imagine how many times ed’s gotten shots on ol’ Hines? It’s called PAYBACK and it’s a bitch, alright.
What did you think about Ward’s TD pass to win the game last night? Any cheating going on there? I thought it was great!
on to somewhat useful subjects:
I thought the refs were GARBAGE last night, but they seemed to screw us both almost equally so I guess it’s ok.
The problem with JAX’s D now obviously is the lack of QB pressure. I thought for sure they would make it a long night for Ben, but he had decent time when he needed it, and escaped when he had to.
I don’t know how the Steelers stopped the JAX running game so effectively, especially with 2/3 of the line out. That was a big, pleasant surprise for me. Of course Jax’s passing game was decent, but you need balance to beat the Steelers D.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
by showtime on Oct 6, 2008 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well..
we were missing 3/5’s of our O line. Probably why we are still having problems running the ball. Also there was lots of holding from your o line. And I don’t mean a lot, I mean a whole whole lot.
Also don’t fool yourself. lol Hoke is a good player and he gets a lot of play time even when Hampton is healthy.
by Ewdtrey on Oct 6, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Also there was lots of holding from your o line. "
I don’t want to hear it about holding from a Jax fan considering recent history. It just sounds ridiculous.
anyway, so I guess one of the stories of the game was the Steelers Dline was deeper than the JAX Oline. That’s supposedly one of the Steeler’s weaknesses. I just can’t believe they held Fred Taylor to < 20 yards and < 2 ypc! Everyone is talking about Ben’s amazing play (which is it was except for the rashean factor), but stopping that rushing attack was huge since the line injuries canceled out.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
by showtime on Oct 6, 2008 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW have you noticed
just how much Ward is followed by dirty play? I don’t think its a coincedence. The answer is right in front of you. It’s WARD.
If he’s happy and smiling so much, why is he retaliating?
by Ewdtrey on Oct 6, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ewdtrey
I agree with all your statements. Harvey will keep growing and I’m liking what I see out of Groves as well. I think it is G.Williams a little bit. Don’t forget we didnt have Florence(would he have helped? he’s been a disappointment so far. Speak your thoughts on Florence) and Nelson. I thought Nelson was spose to be back? Kingfysh, you have an idea I like a lot. Witherspoon would be awesome to have lined up outside. Send questions to Vic to ask personnel if they can do that.
by harveyismyboy on Oct 6, 2008 9:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well I'm not as hard on him as most
Florence is succeptible to biting early, but a lot of “good” corners are. He’s actually really good covering underneath, and playing press. He hasn’t missed many tackles either. He’s good as an underneath guy, so he wont get dinked and dunked on all game like Will James was early, although at this point in time he’s been thrown at more often; probably beacause he’s been covering the first receiver and Mathis is on the other side. But he is going to get beat deep from time because he gets too unconventional with his footwork and therefore struggles switching his hips which is needed to get out of your backpedal to guard against the deep ball. He is very atheletic though and actually has good speed, more so than Brian Williams; probably why they have been playing in their respective positions thus far.
by Ewdtrey on Oct 6, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spoon
A caller mentioned Spoon as WR on the Wednesday radio show, and they ref. back to the JDR show. Someone else had mentioned the same thing, and JDR laughed and said no way. He didn’t give a reason though. Perhaps because the guy was a track star not a football player? I don’t know. Maybe they figure he’s doesn’t have the weight yet, or the football knowledge. He is fast, but I’ve watched him run into the coverage team of times, when a little more vision might have put him outside with a chance at an open field. He’s very new, and very green. Give the guy a few years.
by Pyrofish on Oct 6, 2008 10:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Predictable play-calling
Is anyone else getting fed up with the amazing amount of predictable plays on offense? We have two elusive runners in Taylor and MJD, yet we still just run them up the middle 10 times a game, even if it’s obviously not working. Greg Jones moves piles and FT/MJD break ankles, but we keep on jamming that square peg into a round hole.
Not only are the games frustrating, but they’re ugly as well. No creativity, at least none that’s planned. 4th down conversions by the skin of our teeth are more telling of desperation than gall.
JDR needs to give Garrard some flexibility to audible at the line. If the box is stacked – call a draw, screen, whatever. I’m sick of seeing us play into the hands of opposing coaches. Our individuals are better than our team right now, but not according to this season’s mediocre highlight reel.
The semi-emergence of Mike Walker and Grove’s first sack were two of the few bright spots. We can still turn this season around.
by Jags-Fan-In-Chicago on Oct 6, 2008 11:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's Always Been Somewhat Predictable
Last year, with roughly the same personnel on offense, they did the exact same thing: run the ball up the middle, look for a cut back, and turn it into a good gain. It what they always do, and it’s work for them. The only problem now is that instead of having 2 potential pro-bowlers and another good guard on the interior you have backups.
The Jags have not controlled the line of scrimmage this year, and they’re paying for it on both sides of the ball. But when watching the interior try to move the pile, invariably, one of them gets knocked off their block every down it seems like. Last night, and against the Texans, there was always one or two guys meeting the ball carrier at the line of scrimmage. There were several times the last 2 weeks those interior guys were bull rushed and either knocked into the back field or just flat out knocked down.
I partially disagree with Vic: It’s 75% players; 25% plays. Unfortunately for the Jags when they sell out on the blitz they rarely get there; when they cover the medium and underneath routes are seemingly always open (especially for TEs). When they try to pound the ball on offense they don’t have the o-linemen to get the job done, and the Jag WRs, while potential is abounding in the group, they are not making plays consistently.
So how would you mix up the play calling? Pass to set up the run? Run more counters and draws? Let’s hope Meester comes back soon. Last year early without him the run game struggled, and when he returned the o-line quickly returned to form.
by harperslaw on Oct 6, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't agree more!
With Meester back this changes the make up of our interior. Also, the pass first maybe something we need to do more often. It was clicking last night in the late 3rd and thru the 4th.
by JagsCub on Oct 6, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The draw wasn't working
the draw still requires good linemen
by Ewdtrey on Oct 6, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guy's and Gal's (if there are any)
We are witnessing before our very eyes a meltdown of monumental proportions when it comes to our D and Running game. Who would have thought that after 5 games that our D would be ranked in the bottom tier of all the teams in the NFL. Especially after all the expectaions we had coming into this year.
I can say with certainty that this is not all on our DC. We are seeing the same results we witnessed last year towards the end of the season with Mike Smith at the helm. We have not seen a major turn over in personell, and the turn over we have had on D was supposed to make our D better. We obviously are not seeing the progression, and it has become very frustrating for us all.
It was obvious that Will James is not the man JDR thought he was, but something in the Indy game should have been a pre-cursor of things to come. He flopped against the Texans, and again last night. It shouldn’t have taken this long for our coaching staff to figure this out. This was a glaring weakness, and it couldn’t have been more evident. However, with them taking him out and moving Brian Williams back to his CB spot the defense’s ability to cover greatly improved. It is hard to deny when the stat showed half way thru the 4th quarter that Pitt had -2 yards passing. It had to be the coverage because Ben was running for his life when he wasn’t handing the ball off. That is not to say that the coverage didn’t break down from time to time. But, consider this argument for Players not Plays. Big Ben was able to extend plays because Ben is one heckuva player. With our D draped on him he killed us. That is a fact, and no one can dispute it. Let’s look at David Garrard. The last 2 weeks he, and Scobee have pulled it out for us. It is because they were able to execute/make the plays needed to win the game.
Just because you have a great scheme doesn’t guarntee the success of the scheme. You have to have the players to execute it, and without the players needed you will fail more than you will succeed.
Now to the OL. The point of attack has been compromised greatly to say the least. With the string of injuries that we have suffered, and the fact that we are having to use backups has seriously hampered our ability to win the point. In time we can get Meester back, and with any luck Naeole can get back (I’m not counting on it this year), Norman can move to his guard spot, and then we can see a line that is almost like last year’s.
With that being said we now have to turn to our next game which is Denver. They lost to a very bad KC team, and rivalry or not Denver should have rolled against them. They seem to have the same sievitis that the Colts have, and that bodes well for this team going into this Sunday. This game will be the one that makes or breaks our season in my opinion. If we can get the win, we go into the bye with the ability to get healthy, and an opportunity to make the adjustments needed for this team to make a great midseason push which will set up a crucial showdown with the Dreaded Tenn. Titans.
by JagsCub on Oct 6, 2008 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Very true about this being a make or break game coming up. A win puts us at 3-3 going against 3 bad-mediocre teams we’re going to need to beat to stay in the playoff race. A loss puts us at 2-4 and could perhaps turn our thoughts to April already.
-John
by FSBlueApocalypse on Oct 6, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
John, be careful
about considering any week an easy win. We haven’t showed any ability to put teams away. This is the hardest season of JDR’s coaching career.
by Tkopa on Oct 6, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he said that
any of the weeks ahead would be an easy win. He just said that they were “mediocre” teams.
Although, I’m beginning to think that is what we are at this point.
by JagsCub on Oct 6, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That might be what I was saying too!
Thanks.
by Tkopa on Oct 6, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I was saying is that it is important to head into the bye 3-3 psychologically. If we go into it 2-4, the “B” word is going to fly around home games, we’ll be out of the divisional race and only realistic playoff spot will be the 2nd wildcard. The 3 games after the bye represent the “Easiest” 3 game stretch on the schedule. We could still be 6-3 when Tennessee comes.
-John
by FSBlueApocalypse on Oct 6, 2008 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
John, what do you see?
I always respect your opinion. Do you “hope” this team is a playoff team, or are you convinced this is a playoff team?
by Tkopa on Oct 7, 2008 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the beginning of this year I was convinced this team would be holding the Lombardi Trophy in Tampa. As of right now, if this team is a playoff caliber team than a win this week in Denver is a must. If this team goes into the bye at 2-4, with losses to multiple AFC contenders, they’re looking at best getting the 2nd wild card spot.
-John
by FSBlueApocalypse on Oct 7, 2008 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
I’ve noticed sometimes a good team can suffer a jinxed season. This feels to me like the final character building test before the championships come. 2008 may ot be our year, but the lessons learned here and now will make vistory feel so much the better.
by Tkopa on Oct 7, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Throw a Pick
I don’t know about you all but I am beginning to not care about Garrard managing the game. I would rather lose having Garrard throwing a pick 50 yards down field then having a 10 yard pass batted down at the line. That last drive I was waiting for a deep shot and it never came. One deep pass and that resulted in a PI that put us on the 1 yard line…….Not losing touch with reality and I understand that this is professional football, but we all grew up on “Go long and Ill get the ball to you” Why are the jags so different, why can 31 other teams make it happen with the same professionals…….You have to try!
by floridaboiterk on Oct 6, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably because
at that point the Steel D could T off and just pass rush and it was working. Did you see how shallow his pocket was. That’s also why his passes were tipped.
by Ewdtrey on Oct 6, 2008 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First Post
“" The semi-emergence of Mike Walker and Grove’s first sack were two of the few bright spots. We can still turn this season around. "”
I really liked what I saw out of Mike Walker, I really think he could emerge as our play maker. Groves and Harvey looked better this game, the fact Harvey is starting is also a good sign, especially with all the time he missed due to the holdout. I really hope our secondary can step up this week against Denver. We need to get Drayton back for that game or else we could really be in some trouble. We are already going to be without my man Reggie Nelson this week. Hopefully we will get him back after the bye, he has been looking great this year.
by reggie nelSON on Oct 6, 2008 11:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs


















