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Jags-Vikes Postmortem

Yeah know, I started writing this column to rant and rave on how our season has gone downhill, how free agent acquisitions have become expensive mistakes rather than helpful players, and how today exemplified the term "Giving the game away." Then I looked at my icon and realized "Why So Serious?"


I'm a 20 year old with a nihilistic since about life who happens to like the Jaguars and has an internet connection. I write for a site that's currently debating about whether or not this team's head coach, GM, defensive coordiator, and probably at some point the waterboy should be fired. I sincerely doubt Mr.Weaver is going to have a revelation reading something I write and call me up to offer the GM job to me.


Just take a step back, smell the fresh air, and see that things as they are. The Jags are simply a 3 hour break we get 16, hopefully more, times a year from our lives.


That all being said, we still can't sign a good free agent to save this team's life and outside of some solid play by the defense despite the score, I wonder if this team has packed it in.

 

Also, it's officially Rivalry Week here at BCC, GO NOLES!!!

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first this GO GATORS Shut out the Noles at Home. Shack Harris….What did Donald Trump say on his show o yea he said YOUR FIRED SHACK GET UR STUFF AND PACK IT UP NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by GoJags4218 on Nov 23, 2008 8:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Shack Harris's job should be unaffected by the remaining games

If the Jaguars choose to fire him than he’ll be fired, if not than he wont be fired. If the Jaguars were to win out (not gonna happen) and make the playoffs (not gonna happen) then it wouldn’t be his doing. And if the Jaguars were to lose every game for the rest of the season (not unreasonable to think) then it wouldn’t be his doing.

by SoCalStites on Nov 24, 2008 12:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Disappointment.

The season long frustration and now collapse of the Jaguars is utterly disheartening and unexpected. Its tough to even watch their games now as it looks like only a handful of players are actually giving 100%. What a waste of a season…

by Jagz8 on Nov 23, 2008 9:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If Karma is real, we must be racking up good breaks

I can honestly say I’ve never seen a game like that. Sloppy offense, defense, special teams, and even officiating. Usually there’s one or two stupid mistakes in a game but I have never seen everyone decide to do them on the same day. I’m starting to think these games are fixed and that our players and refs are payed off!

Witherspoon, Matt Jones, Mike Walker, please report to MJD for lessons in route running, catching, running after the catch, returning kicks, returning punts, holding on to the ball, and being tough. How can one guy be so phenomenal in so many different areas and everybody can’t do any of them well. Stop hogging all the talent Mojo!

What is more frustrating, just being completely outclassed and outplayed, or giving the game away?

by rusty904 on Nov 23, 2008 10:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

FIRE SHACK HARRIS NOW

Lets face it folks last year’s team rode a hot QB and overachieved on a weak schedule.
These are the 10 keys to the destruction of the Jaguars as orchestrated by S. Harris:
1) total disregard of team chemistry
2) Jerry Porter – waste of $
3) Drayton Florence – you spend Weaver’s money like the politicians spend ours
4) 2008 – the year of no draft
5) Byron Leftfoot – you couldn’t have thought that slow release would make it in the NFL
6) Reggie Williams – can get guys like this in rounds 6 & 7
7) Matt Jones – possession receivers are a dime a dozen
8) Marcedes Lewis – can’t catch a cold
9) Reggie Nelson – learn to tackle
10) Derrick Harvey – $28M for what
1st Round draft picks are supposed to be impact players thats why they get the big money. 0 for 6. Didn’t Wayne Weaver say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and hoping for different results. Rest my case.

by jagsrealist on Nov 24, 2008 6:13 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Once again somebody who has thrown JP and DH under the bus

Its not even been one season. Do you know what football is?

by harveyismyboy on Nov 24, 2008 5:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly right....

Gaines Adams had only 6 sacks in his rookie season and has performed well since then. He was in training camp too, something Harvey was not. Harvey has come alive the last two weeks and it showed in the game against Minnesota. He’s learning and it’s beginning to show.

Make no mistake though… Harvey was Shack’s guy 100%. Shack went to personally scout Harvey and fell in love. This was his pick more than anyone else’s. If he pans out, Shack will have redeemed himself, I just hope he has time to see it happen and doesn’t get fired after the season.

by silencecs on Nov 24, 2008 5:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My letter to Santa

Dear Santa,
here’s my wish list for next year.
1) rebuild the O line – even though we get some injured players back, we need serious upgrading here.
2) just one guy who can actually pressure the QB on a consistent basis (2 would be better).
3) a #1 WR who can a) stetch defenses deep b) catch the ball c) be consistent

by OGN on Nov 24, 2008 7:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

That is exactly the correct order

Get wish #1 – we win 10 games
Get wish #2 – we win 12 games easily
Get wish #3 – we have a dynasty.

We share the same opinion.

by Tkopa on Nov 24, 2008 7:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks guys

The game yesterday bummed me out pretty bad, but you guys still crack me up.

by JagSoldier on Nov 24, 2008 9:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

1st rounders, player talent...

Jagsrealist’s post with the first rounder and FA list makes me cringe. This team’s player scouting and evaluation over the last several years has finally caught up to them. Those players in the first round and FA are mediocre to put it nicely. Now think of the best players on the team RIGHT NOW. Where did they come from? What was the team’s initial opinion of the player.

1. MJD – 2nd round behind Marcades Lewis? Jags almost missed on this guy.
2. David Garrard – Draft round #4 and several wasted years behind Byroneous Leftfoot
3. Paul Spicer – Un-drafted? Another lucky break for the jags!

When was the last successful 1st round Jaguar player to live up to 1st round expectations? Anyone? Anyone? Henderson, 02? Stroud, 01? Taylor, 98? Wow… I know Harvey and Nelson have yet to have a legitimate chance, but it’s amazing to look at all those 1st round busts since the late 90’s, early 2000’s.

Anyway, I could go on, but you see the trend. I know they got these guys in the bargain rounds for bargain money, but it just highlights the poor evaluation of talent done by the Jaguars during Harris’ career with the Jaguars. Good bye, Shack, you do seem like a good person and I do wish you well with whichever team you end up with.

by jagsfanbrunell on Nov 24, 2008 12:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't feel that poor drafting is Shack's fault

This is the evaluation and scouting department’s fault. If Shack wants a receiver, he has guys that tell him who the best one available is. Also you make drafting MJD in the 2nd round a bad thing. I’m a big UCLA guy being from Southern California so I followed his combine a lot and most people expected him to be a 3rd rounder. He was a great find not a near miss.

by SoCalStites on Nov 24, 2008 1:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Harvey and Nelson are coming around

I was feeling pretty frustrated with Harvey, but I have to admit i saw some good things out of him yesterday. The guy’s got the frame, speed, and first step to be a pro-bowler once he perfects his technique he’ll be amazing.
As for Nelson, I think he is still playing a bit gingerly from his injury to his ribs. Check out his college highlights, this guy loves to hit and never shys away from contact, he just needs to wrap up more. I’d add that in terms of pure athleticism, he is the best player on our defense.

by rusty904 on Nov 24, 2008 12:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Durant - and it ain't close

Durant is – hands down – the best player on D and the second best player on this team (MJD) Harvey had a history of taking plays off or completely disappearing in college — he making a pro bowl – well I’ll cheer it but in no way do I expect that and NO WAY was he worth what we had to give up to get him.

by OGN on Nov 24, 2008 2:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

HAHAHAHAHAH

I just cant help but laugh. I actually cracked up out loud that you are dissing Derrick Harvey, the man who missed a training camp and is barely over halfway in his ROOKIE season, but " Takes plays off in college (beacuse that matters now?He’ll change, he’s in the NFL), Won’t make a Pro bowl beacuse I think I can see his future (sarcastic) and Was not worth what we gave up for him."

by harveyismyboy on Nov 24, 2008 5:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Harvey hope

I think the verdict of Mr. Harvey is still out. The thing I come back to is this…. He came out early to the draft, as a junior, not a senior. Rookie Defense Ends that come out as a senior still need a good season to develop. Derrick needs patience. What I need to see is if he has a dedication to the sport. He has the money, he has no real incentive, but he needs a lot of work in the weight room and with study and technique. This is not easy and will require a strong resolve and to suspend the ego to accept teaching. I come back to the fact that the drafting of Derrick Harvey was based a lot on the recommendation of Urban Meyers. He and Jack had a long conversation about this. I think if Mr. harvey wants to be a good player, he can. If he wants to be rich, he already is. Where is is head? That is the open question.

by Tkopa on Nov 24, 2008 8:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

not too sound offensive...

but I could give a rip about how a guy looked in college when I’ve been watching his under-sized butt get burned in the Pro’s. I will say Nelson is more of a cover-man than a “hitter” and that is they way I think the Jags have been trying to play him, but he needs help when he’s in on a tackle.

Let me put it like my ole’ boss you to say, “What have you done for me lately?”.

The Jags are just missing on the talent in the draft. Enough said. Giving guys 3 and 4 years to develop into average pro-football players??? Maybe a QB, but what is drafting a guy who played QB and then making him a WR? This ain’t back-yard football! I’m down with “players on the shelf”, but this is the time of year when you go to the cupboard. I guess all our Jars are broken.

I have to agree with Realist. Except that he missed Groves’ inability to move when the ball moves. No… bad things started with Harvey’s hold-out. At least they had the balls to make him sweat. I’d start with his rookie ass.

Wayne needs to start crackin skulls.

by Jaghomer on Nov 24, 2008 1:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I noticed that too

Knew I should have trade marked it ;)

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by FSBlueApocalypse on Nov 24, 2008 3:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of postmortem

I wonder where Chris is. Judging by the end of the game thread he was headed for one of those nights you wake up in a gutter 2 counties away, too concerned over your hangover to realize your not wearing the same set of clothes

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by FSBlueApocalypse on Nov 24, 2008 6:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Next year...

Clearly I don’t think it is too early to start thinking about next year. It seems like a year ago, we were looking at the offseason to really only build depth. Things can change in a hurry in the NFL. We have HOLES!

1. Offensive line. Take your pick. Left tackle needs to be addressed. Barnes is so inconsistent. Every other position needs an upgrade as well.

2. Denfensive line. Where does one start? Our pass rush is so bad, teams can’t run a screen pass, because our anemic DL can’t genrate any pass rush. Our pass rush is so bad, it’s hard to tell if our DBs are any good. I might be able to get open with this pass rush.

3. Wide receiver. See last 5 years. NO play makers at all. Matt Jones is perfecting the slant pattern, but there is no chance for yards after catch. Northcutt has moments, unless the game is on the line. It is still to early to tell about Walker or Williamson. The jury is still out on Porter. His salary cap ramifications will probably earn him at least another year.

4. Running back. Fred Taylors Hall of Fame career is starting to wind down. If we keep depending upon MJD like yesterday, it is just a matter of time before his body gives up. That is no swipe at his size. He is as tough as any player on the team. 20+ touches per game and special teams returns are going to wear him out.

5. Linebacker. Mike P is probably gone after this year. LB depth is going to be needed next year.

6. Punter. The only time Podlesh can kick it more than 40 yards is into the end zone when he needs a 35 yard punt. I haven’t even seen a glimmer of hope from him. If a 5th round pick was not wasted on him, someone else would be the punter.

Finally here is a not too well thought out idea……. It is going to be virtually impossible for Wayne Weaver to sell season tickets for next year. I will keep mine. But he needs to change the direction of this team. Two words………..Bill Cowher!

Just a thought. I am not opposed to JDR (Shack Harris is a different story). It may just take a huge change to keep this community’s interest.

Thoughts?

by orangeparkfl on Nov 24, 2008 3:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ohy

Bill Cowher? Really??!? Does anybody else remember this guy couldn’t coach his way out of a paper bag come playoff time except for getting lucky with Big Ben?? Anyways, the amount of $$$ it’ll take to get him isn’t worth it. As for personel moves, I would concentrate on the O-line right now. I’d wager Harvey and Groves come around next year. Atleast we have some youth on the D-line. Can we say the same for the O-line?

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by FSBlueApocalypse on Nov 24, 2008 3:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I remember...

I too remember Cowher being a conservative, staying with a bad QB, coach. This is just observation on my part from his day one as a Head coach for Pitt. But the numbers would disagree with us. I did not know he made it to the playoffs, I think his first 5 years? I just remeber him betting the farm on Charlie Batch and some other QB failures, and as everyone is mentioning an “eye for talent”, I don’t think Cowher has that eye for talent. I think he lucked out with a few guys and Rothlessberger was an easy call in that part of the country ‘a home boy’. Plus, Cowher is a homer in the Cleveland/Pittsburgh area and I don’t think his heart would be in it here in JAX. I think Jack can coach, but I think he needs to be the go between for the players with an active tough-guy GM. Kind of Good Cop- Bad Cop.

by Jaghomer on Nov 25, 2008 7:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cowher...

My only thoughts regarding Cowher is that I think he cold actually generate some excitement and in turn put some butts in the seats.

I agree with the young DEs. It is way too early to give up on them.

OL has to be a priority.

I kinda likt the idea of trading down for draft picks and loading up on both sides of the line.

by orangeparkfl on Nov 25, 2008 1:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It is really bad right now, but I'm still optimistic

Call me crazy, but this doesn’t seem like a complete rebuilding time for the Jaguars. I think if a few pieces are fixed then everything could fall into place
1. Offensive Line – Address this in the draft and get a few guys healthy again.
2. Defensive Line – Hopefully Harvey and Groves develop as defensive ends have in the past and become strong pass rushers.
3. Wide Receiver – If Matt Jones plays at the same level next year and one of the other 5 guys steps up big then all of a sudden receivers are there
4. Running Backs – Solve #1 and this is excellent once again
5. Linebacker – A solid group of 3 players that could just use a back up.
6. Punter – Podlesh is an average NFL punter, maybe a little below average. Not worst in the league and he isn’t the reason this team is where it is. He’s not nearly as bad as everyone thinks.
I know it’s very oversimplified, but I just don’t think it’s time to cut everyone and start over.

by SoCalStites on Nov 24, 2008 4:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Crazy

There will always be injuries and I have been waiting 4-5 years for some of these players to develop. We’re in trouble! (I like the optimism though).

by Jaghomer on Nov 25, 2008 7:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with your top 5....

However, I think Podlesh is the worst punter in the league. I can not think of a single example of where he did anything to remotely change the momentum of a game. No 60 yard punt or no punt out at the 2. I may be wrong, I just don’t recall though.

by orangeparkfl on Nov 25, 2008 1:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Podlesh was a 4th round pick believe it or not...

If the guy becomes a big time player for the next 5 years, he’ll be a steal. Think about how much an accomplished punter costs… 1 mil a year plus for a good one. Podlesh will make under 500k for the 5 years he’s on the team. that’s smart business. No punter has any leverage for a holdout, it’s not like he can sit out for a new contract, so it becomes clear that he’ll stick around, he still has room for improvment. He’s shown flashes of greatness, but he’s inconsistent.
-Collin

by silencecs on Nov 24, 2008 4:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is what I'm talkin about...

If or when… that is not normal… I don’t think any punter gets a draft pick, unless his name is ray guy. We are settling for mediocracy. Bush, Peterson, Ryan… all big time players in their first year. What is this wait 3 or 4 years and we’ll see how he develops crap? When your getting paid 6 million a year, you better get out there and perform!

by Jaghomer on Nov 26, 2008 8:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Podlesh was the #1 punter in the NCAA. That's a fact. Daniel Sepulveda was picked by the steelers in the 5th round

He’s a punter too. Taking kickers and punters in the draft is what you do if you want the best. Look at Josh Scobee, a 5th rounder who kicks freakin bombs! Think about it.

by silencecs on Nov 26, 2008 1:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

rebuild both lines

I agree with orangeparkfl. You have to start with the big guys up front which they should have been doing years ago instead of those 2 receivers & tight end they drafted in the first round for 3 years in a row like the Detroit Lions and look where they are. Forget about Cowher he’s not the answer, JDR can coach if he only had the players and this team can’t afford to cut him loose with 4 years left. Don’t tell me they drafted Harvey with a 1st round pick because they wasted a whole draft on this guy except for the 2 picks used for Groves. The Ravens have made the Jaguars eat crow in the draft twice now – in 2003 when they let the clock run out and the Jags took Leftfoot and the Ravens wind up with Suggs and now this year they get a slew of picks from the Jags trade and maybe end up with their QB of the future.

by jagsrealist on Nov 24, 2008 5:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I see

the similarities to the Detroit Drafting. Ugh!

by Jaghomer on Nov 25, 2008 7:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I'll be interested to see how it all pans out

I mean, he couldn’t hold onto the starting job at Pitt. Since Mario left, that hasn’t exactly been QB U.

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by FSBlueApocalypse on Nov 24, 2008 6:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ONE SHOT!

the NFL needs another SMASHER somebody in the secondary that will deliver the BOOM! and be a huge playMAKER!! Trey Young yes Trey Young he has never got a chance in the NFL but all he needs is one chance because he is quiet humble and underrated So type Trey Young in on youtube.com and watch his 2005-2008 video in high quality and youll see why he deserves a chance to play in the NFL! Trey Young folks Trey Young http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiUgLOcPePc

by patantron31 on Nov 25, 2008 1:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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