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"The Tao of Shack" Exhibit A : Draft Picks 2003-2005

As you all know, I'm a huge fan/supporter of James Shack Harris. I think the guy's got an eagle eye for talent, however, many of you disagree with me and believe it is time for Shack to be fired. Because of this I've started a new series called the "Tao of Shack" in which I'll try to convince those of you who disagree with me the err of your ways. I know this is an issue that splits our beloved Jaguar Nation. Some feel as I do that Shack needs to stay, while others don't. All I ask is one thing... Just listen with an open mind... enjoy!

Below I've compiled all of the draft picks of the James Shack Harris regime. I'll break it down year by year for you. Our first installment will cover Shack's first 3 drafts with the Jags, 2003, 2004, and 2005. Below the story I've compiled a list of ALL the team's draft picks each year, and the trades that took place that year as well. Being a savvy draft day trader has always been Mr. Harris' forte, and I think a mere glance over the deals he's made is enough to see he is an excellent negotiator. I've only discussed in detail the impact players chosen from each draft, whether they are still with the team or not.

2003's impact players : Rashean Mathis (2nd) Vince Manuwai (3rd) George Wrighster (4th) LaBrandon Toefield (4th). 

Two of those players are stars, and 3 are still with the team. Wrighster showed his ability last season and hopefully we'll see a return to form with him back in the line-up. Toefield gave the Jags years of quality running and acted as a decent 3rd down and short yardage back during his tenure with the team. Vince Manuwai was perhaps our best lineman until he went down on IR earlier in the season. He is a beast of a run-blocker. Leftwich was the team's first round bust that year, and was Shack's first pick ever as Jaguars' GM.

2004's impact players : Reggie Williams (1st), Daryl Smith (2nd), Greg Jones (2nd, traded up to grab Jones), Ernest Wilford (4th), Josh Scobee (5th), Bobby McCray (7th),

Four players from that draft remain with the team, and I think you already know how important they are. Greg Jones and Daryl Smith are stars on the Jags roster and are still playing pro-bowl caliber football, Greg recently signed a long-term extension and look for Daryl to get his in the offseason. As for Reggie, his knee surgery earlier in the season has really been hampering his ability to create seperation this year. He seemed to be coming into his own last season, as he led the team in touchdown receptions, but he hasn't been able to reproduce that success again this year. The team may very well decide to void the final year of his contract which the have they option of doing because of the contract Reggie signed (Savvy negotiating again).

Ernest Wilford gave us his best years and was the definition of a solid possession receiver during his tenure with the Jags. Josh Scobee is still nailing out FG's and touchbacks every week, so I think he was clearly a great find in the 5th. Bobby McCray was perhaps the deal of the draft. He was taken with a 7th rounder and ended up giving us a 10 sack season. We let him walk in free agency because he wanted too much money. It turned out to be a brilliant move, as Bobby hasn't replicated his success in New Orleans yet... Sometimes it is just as important to know who NOT to give a contract extension to (Just like NOT signing Mike P to an extension in the offseason was an equally brilliant move).

2005's impact players : Matt Jones (1st) Khalif Barnes (2nd) Scott Starks (3rd), Alvin Pearman (4th) Gerald Sensabaugh (5th)

Matt Jones wouldn't have made this list last season, however, his stellar play up to now is reason to believe he's finally "clicking" at the WR position. Khalif Barnes has been a fixture at the left tackle spot for years now, and although he's been in some off the field incidents, he plays well and has allowed very few sacks this season. He shut down Jared Allen last week vs. Minnesota, so you know the guy's got talent. Scott Starks has been a valuable asset to the team since he was drafted in 2005. He's fast and has been an excellent CB for the Jags. If he wasn't on IR, he'd of been playing instead of "Will James". Do you think that would have made a difference in a few games?

Alvin Pearman was the very definition of an NFL utility man. He was solid in pass protection, was a third down change of pace back, and even returned punts. Alvin's greatest gift though... the draft pick we were able to trade him to the Seahawks for. Talk about a return on investment! Finally, the last impact player drafted was Gerald Sensabaugh. Gerald is now our starting SS and has regained his form this season after having surgery on both his shoulders and finishing last year on IR. The guy is a punishing tackler and will likely be resigned in the offseason.

All in all, I'd say that through the first 3 years of Shack's tenure, the Draft definitely wasn't his weak point. The guy has an eye for talent and nobody finds better small school players than James Harris does. 

Next Installment : Draft History Part two, 2006-2008 


 2005
1.21 WR  Matt Jones  Arkansas  
2.20 OT  Khalif Barnes  Washington  
3.23 DB  Scott Starks  Wisconsin  
4.26 RB  Alvin Pearman  Virginia from NYJ; trade draft picks 2005 4.22; rec'd 2005 4.26, 6.11
5.21 SS  Gerald Sensabaugh  North Carolina  
6.11 WR  Chad Owens  Hawaii from NYJ; trade draft picks 2005 4.22; rec'd 2005 4.26, 6.11
6.20 OLB  Patrick Thomas  North Carolina State  
7.23 CB  Chris Roberson  Eastern Michigan  
 2004
1.09 WR  Reggie Williams  Washington  
2.07 OLB  Daryl Smith  Georgia Tech  
2.23 FB  Greg Jones  Florida State from GB; trade draft pick 2004 3.07 and 4.06
3.23 LB  Jorge Cordova  Nevada-Reno from GB; trade draft pick 2004 3.09 plus rec'd draft pick 2004 4.22
4.22 DT  Anthony Maddox  Delta State from GB; trade draft pick 2004 3.09 plus rec'd draft pick 2004 3.23
4.24 WR  Ernest Wilford  Virginia Tech from BAL; trade WR Kevin Johnson
5.05 K  Josh Scobee  Louisiana Tech  
5.18 CB  Chris Thompson  Nicholls State from NO; trade CB Jason Craft
5.27 OT  Sean Bubin  Illinois from HOU; trade draft picks (was from TEN; trade draft pick 2004 2.08, 3.08, 4.07 and 5.06 plus rec'd draft pick 2004 1.27)
7.48 DE  Bobby McCray  Florida compensatory pick
 2003
1.07 QB  Byron Leftwich  Marshall  
2.07 CB  Rashean Mathis  Bethune-Cookman  
3.08 OG  Vince Manuwai  Hawaii  
4.07 TE  George Wrighster  Oregon  
4.35 RB  LaBrandon Toefield  Louisiana State compensatory pick
6.03 DE  Brandon Green  Rice from CHI; trade draft picks
6.06 SS  David Young  Georgia Southern  
6.20 OT  Marques Ogden  Howard from CHI; trade draft picks (was from NE; trade draft pick 2003 1.13 plus rec'd 2003 1.14)
7.04 RB  Malaefou MacKenzie  Southern California from CHI; trade draft picks

-Collin

 

Poll
Are you a "Shack" fan, or is it time for him to pack his bags?
Hit the road Shack, and don't ya come back... no more no more no more no more...
70 votes
I love 'em and will be furious if he's canned
19 votes
Screw 'em all... let's blow the whole damn thing up!
14 votes

103 votes | Poll has closed

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Yeah well- this year's offseason was a total bust

And therre is no other way to describe it. Porter – bust, Williamson – Bust, Florence – Bust, Harvey – underachive at best (so far) Groves – MIA (so far).

This offseason was geared towards ONE goal and One goal only – put us over the top in the division and to seriously contend in the playoffs – and that’s the measuring stick here. Yes, I’m well aware of injuries and I do make allowances for that.

Shack’s 1st rounders are either busts or at the very least, extremely over rated. As an earlier post in another column put it – you can get guys like Reggie Williams in the lower rounds or in undrafted FA – to blow a 1st round pick on that guy is horrible. Leftfoot – horrible, Jones – horrible for a 1st rounder and yes, I’m pleased with his turn around this year – but a 1st rounder he’s NOT. You pick this guy in the 4th or 5th round and I’m saying great job, but bo way 1st round.

Harvey – maybe this guy becomes all pro in the years to come, but so far this year, he simply has NOT delivered the goods (by ANY measure). Groves – simply gets physically dominated at this level when he’s not jumping offsides. We trade Stroud and McCray + 7 draft picks (including some of next year’s picks) for 2 guys who were supposedly going to put us over the top this year. Extremely bad math especially what we’ve gotten in return this year (so far).

Porter – I’ve railed on that deal since day one and will speak no more of it – the proof is on the field – what a move of desparation. Williamson – I actually thought that move was worth the gamble – hasn’t panned out. As a 1st rounder and 7th overall pick – he’s a bust.

Maybe Harris has done a fair job in total but for THIS year -he has just plain sucked.

by OGN on Nov 26, 2008 7:38 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The Ultimate draft

I think the quality of the draft is measured as much by who you didn’t choose as by who you did. That is what is driving us nuts, the team that could have been.

2003 – Byron Leftwich but not Troy Polamalu or .Nnamdi Asomugha. Both were trades down.

2004 – Reggie Williams Daryl Smith(good choice) but not Shawn Andrews (Pro Bowl OT) and Bob Sanders. Both trade downs.

2005 Matt Jones (Best WR candidate that year) but not Logan Mankins (Pro Bowl OG)

2006 Marcedes Lewis but not DeMeco Ryans (Defensive Rookie of the year)

So imagine Troy Polamalu, Bob Sanders and DeMeco Ryans in the defense and Shawn Andrews, Logan Mankins working along side Brad Meester and Vince Manuwai on the line. Oh, by the way… David Gerrard still playing QB. That is just a sample of what could have been. I think Free Agency has panned out to be a worthless game. I don’t see very many “wonderful” experiences.

In the first round, we draft for need, not for impact players.

by Tkopa on Nov 26, 2008 8:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

You got it...

Man, I feel sometimes Tkopa and OGN are the only guys making sense here. I like the “poor kid from the south overcomes adversity” story as much as the next guy, but look at your list! How many probowlers? I think Shack has gotten lucky once maybe twice with the ‘diamond in the rough’ and it makes him look like a genius. He just keeps going to that ‘non-traditional school’ well and is becoming fixated with it.

I’m a big fan of Durant, but if I remember that draft correctly, that was a high two spot, and a lot of talent was left on the board. I had to hit the computer to find out who this guy was.

Make Shack the small school talent scout.

by Jaghomer on Nov 26, 2008 9:03 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Look where Durant is now?

All over the field making big plays.

by harveyismyboy on Nov 26, 2008 12:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How do I always know that every post that is extremely bashful and never has one good remark is always from OGN? haha the dude has problems.

by harveyismyboy on Nov 26, 2008 11:57 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for backing up my argument that SHACK MUST GO NOW

Are you serious? You say your a Shack fan and then put out that list. That backs us up.
OGN, Tkopa, Jaghomer have it right. Where are the pro bowlers on that list? The fact that guys are still on the roster doesn’t necessarily mean they were good draft picks, its more because of how weak the roster is, which has been proven on the field this year.
I see not one pro bowler on your list and those are not impact players either.

by jagsrealist on Nov 26, 2008 12:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Probowl... seriously bro... You don't judge a player based on if he makes a probowl... Especially if he plays for a small market team.

Fan voting is a big part of the probowl process, as well as sportswriters. Since Jacksonville is a small market team with a comparitively small fanbase, we often get the shaft in terms of probowl selections. You can’t judge a player based on whether he wins a popularity contest, which is all the probowl has become.

You really can’t base a fair judgement on a Jags player based on if he reaches the probowl or not. That is a poor way of judging players. Those players you’re bashing got us to 12-4 last year…. Don’t forget that.

by silencecs on Nov 26, 2008 1:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Greg Jones, and Daryl SMith aren't impact players... Matt Jones isn't an impact player, he's our leading receiver

Rashean Mathis and Vince Manuwai aren’t impact players
What abour sensabaugh… I mean c’mon dud, be fair at least.

by silencecs on Nov 26, 2008 1:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

pro bowl

True about the pro bowl – its a joke. What I meant to say was where are the All-Pros?
You can’t be serious about that impact player list – just cause they made the team doesn’t make them impact players. They rode a hot QB and a weak schedule to 12-4. Why can other teams find a #1 receiver but your man Harris hasn’t been able to do it in the 6 years he’s been here. Striking out and neglecting the big guys on both lines is no way to build a winning team. I like the Manuwai and Daryl Smith picks. Greg Jones good player but just a blocking FB. Mathis gets beat too much. Sensabaugh excellent value in 5th round. Everyone else is just a pick.

by jagsrealist on Nov 26, 2008 2:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Mathis is a star, he's got a knack for making picks. The issues is he's a cover 2 corner and being forced t oplay man to man

greg Jones was drafted so high to be Fred Taylor’s replacement, which before his two knee injuries he was on the way to do it. Now he’s the best FB in a league that is turning away from the standard FB role. The guy is a wall and is a major reason for our stellar run game these past few years, plus he’s an excellent pass catching FB. What about Bobby Mccray? a 7th rounder who gave us 10.5 sacks one year.

by silencecs on Nov 26, 2008 2:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

WOW!!!!

Well, I tried to keep an open mind. Your post was well written but you’re conclusions are suspect at best. If you really think Matt Jones and Reggie Williams are impact players, than this post makes sense and you will always be a a Shaq fan. But you are definitely in the minority on this one. Our wide receivers simply do not measure up to the rest of the league. Wouldn’t you love to have the Chiefs’ WRs…the CHIEFS!!!! Just about every team has a real speedster, and we just don’t. We went to the run for a reason. Still, neither of those picks come close to the debacle of RJ Soward I’ll give Shaq that. But if not for the “miracle” turnaround of Matt Jones, it would have been close.
Tkopa is spot on! That guy consistently adds great insight. He showed what might have been, had the 1st round picks been better. But let me add one that was missed. In 2003, the consensus pick was Terrell Suggs—we passed on him to get Leftwich—easily one of the worst mistakes since the Jags inception.
I think the solution here is very simple. Keep Shaq OUT of the war room until after the 1st round. He seems to have a knack for the second and later rounds.

Keep up the great posts everyone. This is easily one of the best fan sites around. Look aound at some of the other one’s. No comparison—-Go JAGS!!!!!!

by JAGS1995 on Nov 26, 2008 6:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Im sorry but I cant agree either.

You made a good list of some players who are at the very most considered to be “good”. Shack has yet to draft someone considered great. Im sorry, I just dont see it in the Eraser and Harvey. When all is said and done they will be just “good”. Shack has yet to draft a star and this team is desperate for one. The 1st rd picks have not panned out yet. Jones, Williams, Nelson, Lewis (still undecided) have yet to have a star season. Ill admit that he has picked up some “good” players in the later rounds but still no star players. Mojo is close and he may be the one exception but he not there yet. Also you have to take into account the free agent fiasco and there you go. My point is that you cant keep having seasons like this one. I really dont see the guy coming back next season.

by JagSoldier on Nov 26, 2008 6:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If Mojo's not a great player

Then I don’t know what you’re looking for.

by SoCalStites on Nov 26, 2008 7:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He only leads the league in TD's since coming into the NFL

Durant, D. Smith, G. Jones, R. Mathis , V Manwai

ALL GREAT PLAYERS… If they aren’t great, then who is? That’s only from 3 drafts too. Next installment next week

by silencecs on Nov 26, 2008 7:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

From somebody who knows more about football than you (Vic), Soldier. Thanks for serving our country.

Ian from Belleville, IL
Do you see any positives for the Jaguars this season?

Vic: Derrick Harvey and Quentin Groves got a year under their belts. I know that doesn’t sound like much but defensive linemen, especially ends, require development time and seldom make a big splash as rookies. In other words, the reconstruction of the defensive line is underway. That’s the good news.

Oh and Mojo is not there yet? Is that because its only his 3rd Year and he is our whole offense or he leads the league in TD’S? but he’s not there yet?

by harveyismyboy on Nov 27, 2008 1:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OGN and everyone else who does not understand football,

See above post.

It TAKES TIME FOR DEFENSIVE ENDS TO DEVELOP!

by harveyismyboy on Nov 27, 2008 1:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

At Least you have perspective.

“everyone else who does not understand football” Wow, what a great line for a post. And with a user name like “harveyismyboy”, I’m sure you’re not biased in any way. But you are right that DEs take time to develop. That’s why that thing called training camp is so important—especially for a greedy rookie. But this year is still about our O-line. All the injuries just killed us. This season really is not indicative of how good the Jags are. They’ll be back with a vengeance.

by JAGS1995 on Nov 28, 2008 9:06 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

AND THATS WHY WE SHOULD KEEP SHACK

Injuries dereailed the season…. Not the F.O. decisions

by silencecs on Nov 28, 2008 11:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, Shaq Should Still GO

I should have said the O-line injuries stopped our offense—but that’s a little too obvious. We still would have gotten killed in the playoffs due to our defense. When you are going to trade up in the 1st round of a draft to grab a player, you should know more about that player’s character. Harvey will be a bust. Becoming a NFL DE requires dedication. Now, before I get all the hate I said almost the exact same thing when Leftwich held out.
http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2008/8/23/599487/derrick-harvey-are-you-kid

by JAGS1995 on Nov 29, 2008 5:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

give him time to develop... That's what all DE's need.

Look at Gaines Adams, Mario Williams etc. He’ll bulk up in the offseason and be ready for next year, he has improved immensely over the last few games, which speaks volumes for his future

by silencecs on Nov 29, 2008 7:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My post to your post

I know this is a bad idea but Buffalo has a pro bowl left tackle holding out for more money. Bet we could sign him for less than Harvey wants and see if Buffalo wants the rights to Derrick Harvey. Right now I want more protection for David than taking a chance on someone I’ve never seen play.

by Tkopa on Aug 25, 2008 7:59 PM PDT up actions 0 recs

by Tkopa on Nov 30, 2008 6:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This could just be perception...

but it seems that either ‘O’ linemen are an easier scout or the failures are less reported. Names I hear in college, ie Joe Thomas, Tre Thomas (my deland homie), or Orlando Pace live up to their draft status. Except for that Mandarich fella. Again perception, but less risk than a QB, WR, or DE.

by Jaghomer on Dec 1, 2008 3:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How about Robert Gallery

OAkland picked him and whiffed badly…

Or look at theat guy for san francisco… can’t remember his name now though.

by silencecs on Dec 3, 2008 9:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jags needs in Rank order

1. O line – even with getting some players back from injury next year, we need upgrading.
2. D line – someone who can consistently pressure the QB
3. #1 WR – need someone who can a) stretch D’s deep, b) actually catch the ball c) consistenly do a & b.

by OGN on Dec 1, 2008 7:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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