Ask BigBlueShoe: Week 16

From a Jaguars fan who lives in southern Indiana

Having to listen to guff from Colts fans on a daily basis, I will tell you this; most Colts fans do not like it when they have to play the Jaguars due to the pure brutal nature of the games. Having said that, I dont think Colts fans will need to worry about the game being nearly as physical as they have been in the past. The Jaguars simply dont have the firepower they have had in the past. I do agree with you however, they will be playing with some motivation for this game. I can only hope that the game doesnt become a blowout on either side. I couldnt stand to watch it through the late hours of the night, and I cant stand to think of the bull I will have to listen to when I get to work in the morning.

by indianajagfan on Dec 16, 2008 9:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I don’t know if I hope the game doesn’t become a blowout on either side. I wouldn’t mind seeing a blowout in the home team’s favor.

by SoCalStites on Dec 16, 2008 10:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Answer, sort of, because this really isn't a question

The Colts have no “problem” facing the Jags. They are no more physical than the Titans or Steelers, and the Colts can man-up and be physical with anyone. Remember, Indy swept Jacksonville last year, and the win this year was a result of a bad call late in the fourth quarter. And for all of Jacksonville’s physicality, they have zero AFC South titles while Indy has five.

That said, I feel your pain as a fan in hostile territory. It was tough for me being a Pacers fan in NY for years.

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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 16, 2008 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Peyton Manning, Overrated Quarterback or Most Overrated Quarterback

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by FSBlueApocalypse on Dec 16, 2008 10:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

He's not completely overrated...

…because he actually is pretty good, but he is by far the MOST overrated quarterback, because he is not THAT good. If that makes sense.

by Nebraska Jag on Dec 16, 2008 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

This is joke, right?

Peyton Manning is the best QB in football. Period. When he retires, he will be a unanimous HoF selection, and will go down as one of the best QBs ever.

This is not my opinion. This is what everyone believes based on wins, stats, and his overall impact on the game. If you guys don’t believe this because you have some lingering hatred for Manning because he owns your football team, I suggest watching another sport. Seriously, if you can’t appreciate Peyton’s greatness, you just don’t appreciate football as a sport.

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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 16, 2008 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Wow I think you did it right here

You’re displaying to everyone how overrated Peyton Manning is compared to the way he is seen in Colt fans’ eyes. The best QB in football period is only true if you consider Tom Brady as not part of football right now because of his injury. I can appreciate Peyton’s ability and greatness at the position and his first ballot HoF future, but you’re making him sound like the best to ever play the position.
And is it easy to be objective with a name like “peytonsthebest”? That’s like our own “harveyismyboy” declaring Derrick Harvey as the best player on the team.

by SoCalStites on Dec 16, 2008 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

hahaha

Funny story, actually. The first day I got on this site I saw I needed a username, so being that it was the day DH had signed with us, I was ready to kiss the guy because he had cleared his mind, I made my name “harveyismyboy”. It was a spur-of-the-moment thing.

by harveyismyboy on Dec 16, 2008 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm a Peyton groupie.

I will not apologize. :D

A Manning fan to the core.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Dec 16, 2008 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

No shame in that

Fans being Fans, I’m OK with that!

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by River City Rage on Dec 16, 2008 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ok

Show me someone who is not a NE fan who says Brady is better than Manning. The whole “Tom Brady is the best QB” ended when he choked away an undefeated season against the Giants last year. Manning is the best QB of his generation. Disagree? Fine. Enjoy irrelevancy.

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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 16, 2008 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Haha

You guys make me laugh. Last post on the issue. I screwed up on the playoff record, my bad. But to say Brady automatically gave up the “Best QB” because of the Super Bowl loss last year is absurd. As I said, he has great regular seasons and great stats, just his postseason resume is well, mediocre by comparison to
Bart Star, 9-1, 3 NFL Championships/2 Super Bowls
Ben Roethlisberger, 5-2, 1 Super Bowl
Jim Plunkett, 8-2, 2 Super Bowls
Joe Montana, 16-7, 4 Super Bowls
John Elway, 14-7, 2 Super Bowls (Granted Elway managed to wipe away his rep as a post season choker in his final two years)
Terry Bradshaw, 14-5, 4 Super Bowls
Tom Brady, 14-3, 3 Super Bowls
Troy Aikman, 11-4, 3 Super Bowls

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by FSBlueApocalypse on Dec 17, 2008 2:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

OK

So, in your opinion, Ben fucking Roethlisberger is better than Peyton Manning? Terry Bradshaw is better? Heck, based on what you are writing, Terry Bradshaw is the best EVER!

You make yourself laugh, pal. And ain’t no one laughing with you. Sheez, what a schmuck.

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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 17, 2008 8:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If anyone on BCC talked like this, woooohoooooo

FSbLUE, tKOPA, cOLLIN, River City you would be all over us and probably ban us. haha. keep up the good work BCC’ers and be glad we are not trashy colts fans.

by harveyismyboy on Dec 17, 2008 8:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You can ask Chris

This isn’t the first time I’ve asked some trollish comment in jest on a blog, and every other time people rolled with it and moved on.

You on the other hand flipped out like a 15 year old girl who was told her purse was ugly. You said, and I quote “This is not my opinion. This is what everyone believes based on wins, stats, and his overall impact on the game.”

Wins-Manning has the lead in the regular season but Brady has him doubled up in the season that counts
Stats-The first year Brady had a receiving corp anywhere close to what Manning’s had to work with 4,806 yards, 50 TDs, 117.2 passer rating. Manning’s career best, 4,557 yards, 49 TDs, but a 121 passer rating. 3 Super Bowls to 1 Super Bowl.
Impact on the game- Ever heard of a guy named Dan Marino?

Also, yeah, if my team was down by 4 late in the 4th qt with 80 yards to go in a playoff game on the road, I would take Ben fucking Roethlisberger 10 times out of 10.

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by FSBlueApocalypse on Dec 17, 2008 9:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

large sample size over small

evaluating a QB by 10-20 career games as opposed to over 100 is flat out stupid. That and you are totally attributing team success to the Quarterback. Playoff games are small in number and between more closely matched teams than most games, that makes random chance a much bigger part of the final result.

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Dec 17, 2008 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Originally, yes I asked it for the lulz and I got laughs

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by FSBlueApocalypse on Dec 16, 2008 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Damn hitting the enter button

But as you guys got even more butthurt then I figured I’ll explain myself. Is Manning a 1st ballot HOF? Certainly. Does he have some eye popping stats? Certainly. Barring him defying the odds and adding another Super Bowl title of two, will he always be viewed as Second Best this generation behind Brady? Yep. A 5-8 playoff record, needing to luck out to get his one Super Bowl title, and a simply underwhelming post season portfolio. I would say he has clearly better stats, but Brady showed up in his first year with a receiving corps on par with Manning’s he has that too.

Now then, get a glass of water and chill out.

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by FSBlueApocalypse on Dec 16, 2008 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

As for a serious question

1. Manning is in his 11th year now, and I think we could all agree the twilight of his career. Any discussion of drafting an “Heir apparent” or after the drama that has been Green Bay’s offseason would you prefer just waiting until he hangs it up.

2. More of a sports fan to sports fan, these Thursday Night NFLN games serve no real point and should just be done away with?

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by FSBlueApocalypse on Dec 16, 2008 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Answers

1. Manning isn’t in his “twilight.” He will win the league MVP this year, and has seemingly willed his team to 7 straight wins. If you think that is “twilight,” you’re nuts. He’s only 32. Favre is still elite and is 39. Do the math. You’re stuck with Manning for a while now.

2. Thursday night games are fine as long as I CAN WATCH THEM. Having them on NFL Network is something that should be done away with.

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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 16, 2008 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ok

You’re retarded. First, Manning’s playoff record is 7-7, not 5-8. Second, he isn’t behind Tom Brady. Only Manning haters and Pats fans say dumb shit like that. Last I checked, Peyton Manning never lost a Super Bowl, and he didn’t choke away an undefeated season against an underdog Giants team. Brady did.

Third, “luck to win a Super Bowl?” Only a dumbass whose team has never won anything would say something stupid like that. No one wins a Super Bowl by “luck.” Oh, and Manning and the Colts beat Brady en route to that Super Bowl after yet another Patriots choke job in the playoffs.

Please, kindly get a clue. When you know something about football, come back and ask me questions. You’re nothing more than a Manning hater, and you seriously need to get a grip on reality.

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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 16, 2008 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Playoffs

Lost to Titans
Lost to Dolphins
Lost to Jets
Beat Broncos
Beat Chiefs
Lost to Pats
Beat Broncos
Lost to Pats
Lost to Steelers
Beat the Chiefs
Beat the Ravens
Beat the Pats
Beat the Bears
Lost to Chargers

7-7. Thank you.

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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 16, 2008 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You want to talk over rated QBs

you should look in your own yard.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Dec 16, 2008 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

life's a little easier when you have

reggie wayne, harrison, gonzalez, and dallas clark…MAYBE matt jones is better than gonzalez…but that’s all he has to work with

by jlana24 on Dec 16, 2008 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Man oh man

Just wait till BBS or any of the other Stampede Blue regulars see that comment.

Not saying you’re wrong, but they love some Gonzo over there.

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by River City Rage on Dec 16, 2008 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Gonzo stays away from the nose candy

enough said.

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Dec 17, 2008 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

David Garrard

Garrard is a fine QB, and this season is certainly not his fault. But Garrard is not in the same stratosphere as Peyton Manning.

Guys, seriously, I’m happy to answer questions as best I can, but if you are going to make statements like “Peyton Manning is over-rated,” this Q and A is going to end very quickly. Only morons and complete and total dumbasses think Peyton Manning is “over-rated,” and I know this site is NOT full of morons and dumbasses.

Please, I know your season is shit, but don’t let losing affect your IQ. This group is better than that.

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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 16, 2008 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm pretty sure

The “Overrated” comment was in jest.

Come on folks, these are some Bright Colts fans, there’s got to be some good questions.

Here’s one.

How has this season differed then other seasons for Indy, what happened to turn the season around, and what changes are coming in the offseason?

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by River City Rage on Dec 16, 2008 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Dude.

What are you smoking?

Other than Harrison, none of the players you listed were there for Peytons first few seasons…

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Dec 16, 2008 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You

like the angels and the colts? what gives? Peyton sucks! I’m sick of his face on TV. OVERRATED!

by harveyismyboy on Dec 16, 2008 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Be nice to the Colts fans..

They used to be the only readers of BCC, so lay off.

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by River City Rage on Dec 16, 2008 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks.

I meant to thank you. I thought I was in a Titans’ site for a while :S

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Dec 17, 2008 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Brilliant reply, btw.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Dec 16, 2008 6:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Indeed

Some real dumbasses in Jackland. Del Rio’s “brilliance” must be rubbing off on them.

Guys, I know your season is shit, but calling Manning “over-rated,” saying he isn’t one of the best of all time… these statements make you look like total assholes. You don’t see Colts fans coming in here making fun of your idiot coach, your moron owner, and all the BRILLIANT draft and free agent moves this pathetic franchise has made. We don’t do that out of respect, even though your team clearly has not earned our respect.

Quick fact: Jags 3-9 against the Colts. Kindly lick my ass.

You’d think that after years of our team OWNING YOU you’d have some friggin’ respect. But no, you insult our QB, demean his legacy, and call our Super Bowl “lucky.” Gee, thanks. Hope you enjoy the draft. Oh wait! Nevermind, you traded four picks for Derrick Harvey!

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Oh, oh, excuse me. I just remembered how everyone thought you’d be good this year. Made me laugh.

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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 16, 2008 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You know I'd like to tell you to chill in a classy way

but you’re making it awfully hard. Making an opinion about a player, educated or not, is one thing. But chill out with the personal insults. And to be honest I like Manning a lot, more than Brady, but it’s not a consensus obvious answer that Manning is the best. Another thing, I’m not going to say Manning’s Super Bowl run was lucky as a team whole, because the team earned that. But Manning himself is lucky that the defense stepped up. If it wasn’t for him they wouldn’t have even gotten to the playoffs, but the defense did carry him through it. BTW, I still don’t understand your hatred towards Del Rio. Also what do you mean you’re not coming in here making fun of our coach, owner, etc. You just did in that comment. If you just wanted to make a point you could have said that you didn’t come in here insulting personnel from the Jaguars franchise.

by Ewdtrey on Dec 16, 2008 11:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, it is

The consensus is that Peyton Manning is the best. He is about to win his third MVP award this year. Only one other QB has ever done that: Brett Favre (and no one is going to say Brett Favre is better than Manning). As Peyton continues to pile up yards, wins, awards, and (hopefully) another ring, people will continue to view him as the best of his generation, and possibly the best ever.

Even Pats fans are starting to think Peyton is better than Tom. FINALLY! You’ll notice how I didn’t even bring up that Tom’s playoff record was the direct result of HIS COACH CHEATING!

Again guys, you can choose to live in the swamp of idiocy, or you can join the rest of civilization and accept the fact that Peyton Manning is the best QB of his generation, and might be the best ever.

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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 17, 2008 8:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

hahaha

you crack me up

by harveyismyboy on Dec 17, 2008 8:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

And we're done.

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by River City Rage on Dec 17, 2008 9:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If it was CONSENSUS

we wouldn’t even be having this argument. Otherwise you would be arguing about something that everyone agreed on. Again I’m gonna say, Peyton is better than Brady in MY OPINION. But not everyone is in agreement. And to insinuate that I’m an idiot is just childish knowing the little you know about me and given the irony in your comments.

by Ewdtrey on Dec 17, 2008 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Check out what they post on the colts site.

I know you four head guys run a tight ship here and freak out if we cuss, I understand that. But it seems the opposite at BigStampede.

http://www.stampedeblue.com/2008/12/15/692817/peter-king-woke-up-this-mo

look all around thier site and now think how less cussing and different BCC is.

by harveyismyboy on Dec 16, 2008 6:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Each site can do what they will.

Big Cat Country is somewhat G-rated, mainly because for the first few months it was pretty much just my mom who read the site.

Our rules on cursing are pretty simple. Never on the front page, never in headlines, and in moderation in the comments. For example, in a live blog, feel free to curse when the Jaguars fail to convert a critical third down in the 4th quarter. Emotion like that is OK.

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by River City Rage on Dec 16, 2008 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Can this post be closed and taken off please?

I don’t feel that it is accomplishing anything any more and has turned into an immature show of name calling.

by SoCalStites on Dec 17, 2008 12:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Fine I'll play nice

I’ll give you guys credit, Tony Dungy is a class act and in a league where 90% of news stories involve somebody getting busted for doping or idiots like Plax, I wish we had more guys in the league like him.

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by FSBlueApocalypse on Dec 17, 2008 9:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Im a Colts fan

but wont rant away like BBS. I will just say that Calling Manning an overrated QB or Player is simply ignorant and cannot be justified as true. Their are no stats or examples to prove he is overrated.

by metal_militia on Dec 17, 2008 4:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Wow.

First visit to this site.

Disappointing.

by coltsfanawalt on Dec 17, 2008 4:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Wow

I don’t even bother to visit your site.

I’m just that uninterested.

by SoCalStites on Dec 17, 2008 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Noticed you're a fan

of the Los Angeles Dodgers and the Los Angeles Lakers. How convenient for you when the Los Angeles Jaguars move to town soon.

by coltsfanawalt on Dec 17, 2008 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

No

Los Angeles wouldn’t steal an NFL franchise from a city that loves it. Indianapolis didn’t have a problem doing that though.

by SoCalStites on Dec 17, 2008 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

loves it so much that the team had to tarp over 9,000 seats

and is still barely avoiding getting it’s games blacked out.

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Dec 17, 2008 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't bring this up if was you.

If you knew everything about it you would understand why you wouldn’t. Just take my word for it. lol The argument has been repeated too many times. yikes
I have a question for you though… Would you be happy if the Colts traded up high in the first round (Not that they would need/want to) and drafted Shonn Greene, considering how young J Addai is and where he was drafted? To be honest, I think Rhodes has been outperforming him. I understand that Addai has been banged up, but still. Is Hart in the plans at all?

by Ewdtrey on Dec 17, 2008 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I am a card carrying member of the Greene party but,

Shonn hasn’t shown the hands (11 career receptions) or blocking (he’s looked good the few times I’ve seen him in blocking and he has the frame to block) to be a Colts back. He’ll make some team that just wants a Runningback very very happy.

I hope Hart can come back from the knee. He was looking really promising in preseason and in the 2 touches he got before blowing out the knee. Addai has been banged up, and the interior line has been gutted and shuffled. Him and Dom have played at about the same level. Addai is a better receiver and blocker and gets stuffed less, but Dom breaks long runs.

Ideally Addai bounces back to what he was the first two years, Dom resigns for the veteran minimum again and Hart comes back healthy and builds on what he showed this year.

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Dec 17, 2008 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I have high hopes for Hart.

He flashed brilliance. Health is the only concern for him. Injuries plagued him his senior year at Michigan. Between a healthy Addai, Hart and Rhodes, I think we’re good enough to spend our high draft choices on greater needs. DL, CB or OL, maybe WR.

by coltsfanawalt on Dec 17, 2008 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

What about the Oakland Raiders?

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Dec 17, 2008 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

What a dissapointment.

I come to this site to get some possible valued opinions, and get to read trash like this. This entire thread (sticks and stones, I am rubber youre glue) should be deleted for lack of maturity and value.

by indianajagfan on Dec 18, 2008 8:39 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

It's not our brightest moment, that's for sure.

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by River City Rage on Dec 18, 2008 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Backup

If, for whatever reason, Peyton went down for the year, do you think that Jim Sorgi would have as good a year as Matt Cassel? Or do you think the Colts would try and sign a veteran that’s floating around?

by Jags on Dec 18, 2008 10:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Sorgi is teh suck

I wanted Kevin O’Connel in the draft, but the Pats jumped on him a round earlier than I would have wanted him to draft him.

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Dec 18, 2008 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

My worst nightmare is Sorgi as our starter...

It would be ugly, ugly football.

Go Colts!

by Marked Hoosier on Dec 18, 2008 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

This thread is great!

Because it proves what I’ve always thought, Jags fans are a lot classier than dolt fans. I, for one, was loving all the trash talk. What’s wrong with some trash talking? It’s just a game we’re talking about, there’s nothing wrong with poking a little fun at the opposition. Thank you Harvey for continuing to give dolt fans shit. And what’s the deal with dolt fans coming on here saying this thread is trashy? You’re the ones who came on here and started the cursing and insulting. I simply said that Peyton is the MOST overrated QB. I admitted that he is a good QB, I just think he gets WAY to much praise. Except for one year, he has always been a choke artist in the playoffs. He won one super bowl and no one talks about that anymore (the choking, not the super bowl) even though he didn’t play that well. I’m not gonna say the super bowl win was lucky, but Peyton didn’t win that game by himself. To me, he’s the A. Rod of the NFL. And I know you dolt fans are gonna get all riled up about this, so let me just say, I have a lot of respect for Peyton, as I do for A. Rod, but I still think he’s a choker. I don’t hate him as a football player, I do hate him as a dolt, and product spokesman because he ‘s so goofy looking, and sounding. Do you guys like that he’s in billions of commercials? I wouldn’t mind if he wasn’t such a bumpkin, but I’d be embarrassed if I were a dolt fan.

by Nebraska Jag on Dec 18, 2008 12:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Anger issues?

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Dec 18, 2008 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Did I sound angry?

Like I said, we’re talking about a game. I don’t know about you, I’m just having a little fun. Don’t take it personal.

by Nebraska Jag on Dec 18, 2008 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

No worries.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Dec 18, 2008 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Thought:

To say that Peyton is overrated on this blog in this particular post is the same as my saying that Garrard was nothing more than a fluke last year on Stampede Blue in your blogger’s post.

Now, you say something like that, you should expect a reaction. Just as I would if I said what I just said.

BTW, I DID say after last season that Garrard had a fluke year.

BRING.IT.ON.

I think DG is a nice guy, just not a good QB.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Dec 18, 2008 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

3 Interceptions was a fluke

I don’t think there are many Jaguar fans, if any at all, who expected him to throw that many picks again. It was a freak stat that was obviously not going to be repeated. So in that sense, I guess you could say it was a fluke. To say he’s not a good QB is to take it another step. Frankly, it sounds to me that you’re only saying this to piss off Jaguar fans and that you are only saying it because you’re a Colt fan. Please explain your point.

by SoCalStites on Dec 18, 2008 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

All in jest

(see comment about Peyton above).

Seriously, DG is an alright QB. I do like him as a human being. I don’t watch him enough to form an opinion, actually.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Dec 18, 2008 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

that's a lot of hate

Choke is a four-letter word, an angry little expletive thrown around by individuals who need to make themselves feel superior to professional athletes…

Now that Manning has his ring, the same geniuses who labeled him a choker will turn their attention to…some other star who hasn’t hoisted the Lombardi Trophy yet. In doing so, they’ll slowly erode the joy that should be at the core of sports fandom. Fans should celebrate victors for their accomplishments, not deride losers for their perceived shortcomings.

The Colts lost to the eventual superbowl champ three straight years 2003, 2004, 2005 and lost to the AFC Champs in 1999. Over half of Mannings playoff losses were to the better teams out there. Throw in 2007 where the defense was gutted by Freeney being out and Mathis and Brock being hobbled (the Colts top 3 DL) and the Colts playoff record under Manning looks a bit different.

That’s not even to mention the massive flaws of measuring a QBs by playoff record. Playoffs are a same sample of games with teams that are much more evenly matched that makes random chance a huge part of the outcome. Team success is a terrible way of evaluating QBs, throwing out names like Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson is cliche but it does show how ridiculous attributing a teams success to the quarterback is.

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Dec 18, 2008 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I want to comment on the following statement you made:

I’m not gonna say the super bowl win was lucky, but Peyton didn’t win that game by himself.

Umm…no shit? Football is the consummate team sport. I know you’ve heard that before, because it’s one of the most cliche statements about the NFL, and football in general. What kind of argument is that anyways? Truth be told, Tom Brady would have zero, I repeat, ZERO Super Bowl Rings if it were not for Vinatieri.

No more grasping at straws alright? If you have a gripe about something or someone, please at least attempt to formulate a half-assed argument.

by KingRichard on Dec 18, 2008 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Let's take a look at some stats

Peyton Manning (in Super Bowl XLI) : 25-38 247 yards 1 TD 1 INT 81.8 Passer Rating
Tom Brady (Total of Super Bowl stats): 100-156 1001 yards 7 TD 1 INT 94.5 Passer Rating

So how about playoff games, not counting Super Bowls:
Peyton Manning: 298-485 3526 yards 20 TD 16 INT 83.6 Passer Rating
Tom Brady: 272-439 2856 yards 19 TD 10 INT 85.8 Passer Rating

Playoff Records:
Peyton Manning: 7-7 1 Super Bowl
Tom Brady: 14-3 3 Super Bowls

by SoCalStites on Dec 18, 2008 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

the Passer ratings are almost the same in the larger sample

Career numbers regular season and playoffs

Peyton 4126-6442 (64.0) 48,942 yards, 350TDs, 182 INTs, 93.5 Rating
Brady 2672-4248 (62.9) 30,303 yards, 223TDs, 102 INTs, 91.7 Rating

Peyton has been better over the course of their careers.

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Dec 18, 2008 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm just dumb-founded by you Colt fans!

First of all, shake n bake, choke is a five letter word and my comments are not made out of hatred. When a person is making millions of dollars from playing a game, especially in this economy, they are going to be, and deserve to be, scrutinized. And I don’t make these comments to make myself feel superior to athletes, nor do I feel superior.

Now to KingRichard, regarding my Manning is overrated comments: You’re arguing my point, it’s a team sport! I call him overrated for THAT reason. Peyton is given waaay too much credit. The colts have a great coach (I love Dungey!), and Peyton has been surrounded by a really good team; amazing receivers, a consistent running game, a tight end that seems to read his mind, and one of the best o-lines in the game which includes the guy that deserves at least half the credit for Peyton’s perceived “brilliance”, and that’s Jeff Saturday. I feel sorry for any Colt player that wants just a little attention, or credit for that matter. Even when they get it, it’s followed with, “…and that’s a result of Manning being so good at what he does.” Why can’t it ever be the other way around? Oh wait, I forgot that when they go to commercial break 2 minutes later, Manning will be in half the commercials and the sponsors wouldn’t be too happy if they didn’t say that Harrison’s amazing one handed catch was a direct result of Manning being a sure-fire HOFamer. (And Colt fans, as much as I know you want to, please don’t explain to me how technically Harrison would not have made said catch if Manning hadn’t thrown it to him)

So, KingRichard, I’ll sum up my explanation to the world why I, ‘for the love of god’ think Manning is overrated: I don’t say he’s overrated because I don’t think he’s any good, I say it because ESPN and every commentator, regardless of whether they’re covering a colts game at the time or not, take EVERY opportunity to praise Manning in such a way that they’re doing the verbal equivalent of getting down on their knees and sucking his… oh wait, G-rating, sorry.

by Nebraska Jag on Dec 18, 2008 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Then by that criteria

Brady is an overrated QB as well

by metal_militia on Dec 18, 2008 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I say it because ESPN and every commentator, regardless of whether they’re covering a colts game at the time or not, take EVERY opportunity to praise Manning in such a way that they’re doing the verbal equivalent of getting down on their knees and sucking his

There we go, you finally revealed the real reason. It has nothing to do with his performances, nothing to do with his personality, nothing to do with his work ethic, or well, anything that has to do with him actually playing football. You are pissed off because of what some ESPN commentators say? That’s why? That’s your reasoning? How sad.

by KingRichard on Dec 18, 2008 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Seriously?!

You guys are a little slow or something. Let me try to make this really clear:

My opinion of Manning is that he is a very good quarterback. He is not the best quarterback, but I have a lot of respect for him. What I have been trying to say this whole time is that he is the MOST overrated QB, and I have explained this. He deserves a lot of his praise, but everyone goes way overboard with it.

And why do you colt fans think that I’m angry about all of this? I’m being perfectly civil, and you make comments like “How sad” and tell me that I’M pissed off. How would you know if I was pissed off, we’re typing words to each? How old are you guys? I feel like I’m talking with 12 year olds.

by Nebraska Jag on Dec 18, 2008 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ill repeat this one last time

Manning is not good, he is one of the greatest QB’s of all time. He broke several records that many thought was unbreakable. He has a ton of victories, a Lombadi trophy, 2 MVP’s (hopefully three) and is climbing up the all time list in several Categories. Look at his 4th Quarter comebacks and you will see why Manning deserves credit for his ability to win games.

An overrated QB does not have those credentials

by metal_militia on Dec 18, 2008 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He's been overrated by you guys

Overrated does not mean that he’s a bad QB. There’s no question he’s a great QB and a first ballot Hall of Famer; however there have been comments in this very thread by Colt fans that are saying he is greater than he actually is.
“Peyton Manning is the best QB in football.” – BigBlueShoe
“Manning is the best QB of his generation.” – BigBlueShoe
“The consensus is that Peyton Manning is the best.” – BigBlueShoe
Those statements are rating Peyton higher than he actually deserves, thus the word “overrated.”

by SoCalStites on Dec 18, 2008 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Note

that it says BigBlueShoe.

Look I like our blogger, but I agree sometimes he gets out of hand with his comments. But just because of him, doesnt make him overrated. Yes ESPN has some dumb commentators, and yes their are some other idiots in the media that echo their words, but I dont think they say something that is as blatant as BBS’ comments to mark him as overrated. Simply put BBS does not represent all Colts fans

by metal_militia on Dec 18, 2008 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ok

You could save a lot of argument right now if you tell us that BBS was wrong.

by SoCalStites on Dec 18, 2008 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

But he's not wrong

Peyton Manning is, in fact, the best QB in football
Manning is, in fact, the best QB of his generation.

One could argue that it is not consensus that Manning is the best, as Tom Brady is one hell of a QB, and an argument can be made that he is at the same level as Manning.

Trying to convince Colts fans that Brady is better, or that Manning isn’t the best in football? We’d have better luck trying to convince you to root for the Colts tonight.

by mgrex03 on Dec 18, 2008 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I get it, you think he is overrated. You think he is “good,” which is an understatement to the nth degree. Peyton isn’t good, or great, he’s one of the best. So, you can claim he is overrated all you want, but his career speaks for itself.

The weak arguments that accompany your opinion don’t do you any justice either. Basing your opinion of the annoyance you feel from hearing about Peyton talked about all the time on places such as ESPN (why you even watch that channel is beyond me, that’s your first problem), is like I said earlier, just sad. Take a step back and think for yourself. Block out all of the nonsense that can sway your judgment on Peyton and just use your brain. That’s all I’m asking for.

by KingRichard on Dec 18, 2008 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh I forgot...

I also wanted to say that Brady is, without a doubt, the best QB playing right now, and he may go down as the best ever.

And to clarify, Peyton is the most overrated QB out of all QBs that are actually good. I don’t want to start a Favre discussion, but he is by far the most overrated QB, maybe athlete, of all time. To me, he’s a slightly above average QB who’s stats look great because he’s never been injured. I think his interception record proves that. He won super bowls because any QB that plays that long for one team is gonna be surrounded with a good enough team to win it at some point.

by Nebraska Jag on Dec 18, 2008 1:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

And there you have it,

probably the most idiotic statement of anything I’ve ever read on any blog. And, just to bring you into the ‘know’, Brady is NOT playing right now.

by Ayrshire on Dec 18, 2008 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

THAT's the most idiotic statement you've ever read?

You are very lucky! How are you able to avoid all the idiotic things that are said on blogs everyday, all over the world? Do you have some kind of idiocracy filter? Where can I get one because I could really use it right now.

I would have to assume then that my post was the only one you read on this thread because there are much more idiotic things posted above. Take a look, or just read this example, “The consensus is that Peyton Manning is the best. He is about to win his third MVP award this year.” I hope I don’t have to explain why this is stupid, and it has nothing to do with the way I feel about Peyton or the colts. But you can’t speak for everyone, there are people who don’t even think Jordan is the best basketball player ever. Oh, and they haven’t picked the MVP yet.

And yes, I know Brady is not playing RIGHT now. I think you can figure out what I mean though.

by Nebraska Jag on Dec 18, 2008 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Kobe! Kobe!

by SoCalStites on Dec 18, 2008 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Peyton is now at 2:1 to win the MVP

http://sports.bodoglife.com/sports-betting/football-player-props.jsp

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Dec 18, 2008 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm a Favre hater

and he is nothing more than an average QB at this point, but no one in recent history as very good for so very long as Favre. He never had the consistent huge seasons that Peyton or Marino had or even the massive peak season that Tom Brady had last year to go with a history of very good play and that other lesser QBs (like Culpepper and many others).

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Dec 18, 2008 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Please, for the love of god, explain to the world why you think Manning is overrated?

by KingRichard on Dec 18, 2008 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ok Nebraska Jag

Name me three QB’s in the league today that are better than Peyton Manning (sans Brady).
I bet you wont even come up with one.

also tell me how many QB’s have shattered the records Manning has broken and is eventually going to break? If you find those QB’s you’ll see that they are all in the HOF.

by metal_militia on Dec 18, 2008 4:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Tom Brady

That’s the point. When people look back at this generation, Tom Brady will be #1 and Manning will be #2. That’s the argument.

by SoCalStites on Dec 18, 2008 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That’s not an argument, that’s a statement. You haven’t proposed an argument yet.

by KingRichard on Dec 18, 2008 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Are you kidding?

I have nothing more to say. I’m speechless to what you just said right here.

by SoCalStites on Dec 18, 2008 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

there is still lots of time

for Manning to pick up a few more Lombardi Trophy’s.

I think the one aspect of Manning’s playoff blunders people forget about is his defense. Manning delt with an atrocious defense that couldnt do anything to help Manning. On top of that, I can recall 2 of the Colts playoff loses (Miami, Pittsburgh) were results of Mike Vanderjagt missing potential game winners or at least tie the game which Manning put in position to win the game. Furthermore, that defense in two more playoff games against the Patriots in ‘03 and ’04, allowed the Patriots to control the ball for drives that lasted 9 minutes, 8 minutes, and 7 minutes respectively. That is basically an entire half of Manning sitting on the bench. Basically when he went onto the field he saw he was down 14-0 to start the game. In the Jets blowout game, he started on offense being down 17-0. In those three games that I just mentioned, their were also three fumbles that occured that killed drives Manning built for potential TD’s. How can you blame him for those loses?

by metal_militia on Dec 18, 2008 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

In the regular season

Peyton played such lights out football and controlled the game so well that his defense couldn’t be exposed. In the playoffs he hasn’t been able to play at the same level. If the defense is to blame then it doesn’t make sense why the team would have such incredible regular seasons year after year and fizzle out in the playoffs.

by SoCalStites on Dec 18, 2008 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

And...

Your argument that in the playoffs you play better teams so it’s more even doesn’t help because if Peyton was as good as you say, he would overcome this. And that’s my point, everyone talks about him like he’s so good that he can always overcome any deficit.

by Nebraska Jag on Dec 18, 2008 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Im not going to type this all out so ill just provide the link

This link describes why several of Manning playoff games are not his fault and why he is better than Brady.

The misconception of Manning (just a nickname I gave the article).

Wanna read it? cool. Dont? fine. Still doesnt change your opinion? Im cool with that too. Ill just let the future take care of that.

by metal_militia on Dec 18, 2008 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

On that note

Im out. Good luck to your Jags today and lets hope for an injury free clean game.

GO COLTS!!!

by metal_militia on Dec 18, 2008 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

GO COLTS/HORSE!

DESTROY THEM!

by colts9318rock on Dec 18, 2008 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Now I get it!

I didn’t need to read much of that to get the gist and here it is: It’s not Peyton’s fault! What the hell was I thinking?! I get it now!

Seriously though, that was hilarious. I mean, I was starting to feel like a loser for arguing this for so long, but I can’t believe someone took the time to write that! I imagine Peyton has Archie read this to him every night before he goes to bed while his mom tells him over and over that it’s not his fault.

Seriously serious this time, it’s easy to say, “well, if this had happened, and that had happened, then we would’ve won.” I want a QB who does what needs to be done to win the game. Brady gets it done.

by Nebraska Jag on Dec 18, 2008 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

How many GW Touchdown drives

Does Tom Brady have in the Playoffs?

In other words, how many times did he not need Adam Vinatieri to make a kick to win a game?

by mgrex03 on Dec 18, 2008 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Game Winning Drives

are drives where a player leads his team into the position where they can win the game. In all those Adam Vinatieri games it was Tom Brady who drove the team into the position so that they could win the game. Who cares if a team wins by 3 or 7?

by SoCalStites on Dec 18, 2008 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

So you know the answer too huh?

It’s zero. Never in the great Postseason history of Tom Brady has he led a GW Touchdown drive.

Each time he’s needed one, he’s not gotten it. If he doesn’t have the greatest clutch kicker in NFL history, is he in this conversation? Some of those kicks were not gimmes.

by mgrex03 on Dec 18, 2008 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

also it's good to bring up that it's not that he has never needed to

he failed to when he got the chance against the Colts in 2006 and Giants in 2007

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Dec 18, 2008 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Another good point,

and getting it done? How about last year?

by Ayrshire on Dec 18, 2008 6:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Thats the problem with you

You didnt read the whole thing. It uses logical, factual, and concrete opinions to crush your argument.

by metal_militia on Dec 18, 2008 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I read the whole thing

But from the first example it was ridiculously one sided and was weak.
“There were lots of weird occurrences in this game, not the least of which was the Colts’ #3 receiver (E.G. Green…their #2 was Terrance Wilkins!) breaking his leg in the first quarter, and laying on the field for 15 minutes in the middle of a drive where the Colts were moving the ball. Ultimately, this game was not lost by Manning, but by Edgerrin James.
Compare the following stat lines:
Tennessee
ATT
YDS
AVG
LNG
TD
Eddie George
26
162
6.2
68t
1
Indianapolis

Edgerrin James
20
56
2.8
14
0

Tennessee
CMP
ATT
PCT
YDS
LNG
YPA
TD
INT
RAT
Steve McNair
13
24
54.2
112
26
4.67
0
0
66.7
Indianapolis

Peyton Manning
19
43
44.2
227
33
5.28
0
0
60.9
Manning had a similar if not better day than the opposite QB (the stats here don’t list the 15 yard rushing TD he scored that day). But Eddie George blasted the Colts defense while Edgerrin James (the NFL rushing leader) couldn’t manage to break 3 YPC. No impartial observer could look at these facts and stats and conclude that the quarterback was to blame for the loss. CHFF, being neither impartial nor concerned with facts, made the claim because it suited their premise.”

That is the weakest argument and it was the first one in the entire thing. Peyton played terrible and matched Steve McNair’s terrible game so it wasn’t his fault? If he was the greatest QB of all time as you guys claim he is, he would’ve stepped up and won the game.

by SoCalStites on Dec 18, 2008 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Great point!

by Ayrshire on Dec 18, 2008 6:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You're missing my point

I simply said he’s overrated (and I thoroughly explained this a minute ago in a comment above). I never said that there are 3 QBs in the league that are better than him. Why would you ask that? I did say that Brady is better, and I stand by that, thank you socal for the post season stats that prove that.

by Nebraska Jag on Dec 18, 2008 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Dude I read your comments all day. Peyton’s performance tonight proves that you are not right your just jealous. Your team has never been shiit and never will be either.

Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis

by hoosier in sodak on Dec 18, 2008 11:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

ok that's enough

they lost and were clearly wrong. They’ve been reminded.

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Dec 18, 2008 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Colts fans, let's stop.

If this was a Patriots site I’d expect the debate. The Jags fans aren’t able to argue that they have anything better, just that another team does. Which means their only point is to put down Peyton. It’s called jealousy.

Let’s just be thankful we have Peyton instead of Garrard. And Dungy instead of Del Rio (or whoever they have next year).

I enjoy visiting the other blogs of the AFC South teams. However, as soon as I click the post button, I’ll be done with this site completely.

by coltsfanawalt on Dec 18, 2008 6:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs

SO

who here still wants to hate on Peyton?

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Dec 18, 2008 11:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

All you folks who said that Peyton is Overated there is a big ass crow somewhere for you to feast on.

Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis

by hoosier in sodak on Dec 18, 2008 11:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

David Garrard’s Pick six was a thing of beauty

Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis

by hoosier in sodak on Dec 18, 2008 11:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Good game last night. I still stand by everything I said

I thoroughly enjoyed last night’s game. Peyton’s a good QB and he played a great game. Collingsworth and whoever that other dumbshit was, slobbered on his dick quite a bit, but it wasn’t nearly as bad as usual.

I want to say one last thing about this, even though you Colt fans can’t seem to believe this, I’m not jealous of Peyton. My dislike for Manning started well before he played for the Colts, it started when he was at Tennessee. I live in Nebraska, but I hate Nebraska football, always have and always will. I root against them no matter what, and I love doing it (I guess I think it’s fun to see people get so worked up over a game, and NU fans are the worse about this). The only time I didn’t root against them was in the 98 orange bowl. I could not bring myself to root for a Tennessee team QBed by a country bumpkin. Seriously, it has nothing to do with the fact that he’s a Colt, so don’t take it personally.

Great game though. You can pat yourselves on the back and kiss your Manning poster hanging above your bed. Good luck in the playoffs, after barely squeezing out a win against a 5-10 Jags team (and it’s not like you didn’t need the win), you’re gonna need it.

It’s been fun getting you all riled up. See you next year. Peace.

by Nebraska Jag on Dec 19, 2008 12:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Makes sense

So you wouldn’t approve of Manning if he QB’d the Jags b/c he is a “country bumpkin”?

By the way, doesn’t being from Nebraska automatically qualify you as an aforementioned country bumpkin?

by burc on Dec 19, 2008 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Good point.

“bumpkin”…please.

So, Nebraska Jag, you are just a Manning hater, then, yes?

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Dec 19, 2008 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I would be very disappointed if the Jags had Manning

And I’m from Lincoln, NE, so no, it doesn’t. It’s a college town, and a pretty hip one at that. I’ve never met someone I’d call a country bumpkin living here.

by Nebraska Jag on Dec 19, 2008 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That's fine

I’ll concede on the Nebraska/bumpkin argument, probably a little rude on my part anyway.

But you have to admit that I would rightly be a little skeptical when you say you would be disappointed if the Jags had P. Manning on their squad.

Look, I’m not here to trash you guys personally or your city and I enjoy talking a little smack as much as the next guy, but you can’t expect to say something like “Manning is overrated,” and not expect to catch a little flack from some Colts fans. See you guys next year.

by burc on Dec 19, 2008 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That’s the dumbest damn thing I’ve ever read. Ciao.

by KingRichard on Dec 19, 2008 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm with Nebraska

I stand by everything I said and frankly I find it amazing that every Colt fan on this thread seems to assume we are simply Manning haters who are saying he sucks. I’m not sure if the Colt fans reading this aren’t reading all of it or maybe they just don’t comprehend what is being said. Multiple times in this post, I and many other Jaguar fans said that we feel Manning is a great, first hall of fame ballot player. All we said was that he isn’t the greatest QB of all time or the greatest QB of this generation and suddenly our team is being attacked, the city of Jacksonville is being attacked, and we are personally being attacked.

by SoCalStites on Dec 19, 2008 1:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Nebraska Jag

just admitted he is a Manning hater. THATS why he couldn’t root for Tennessee….cause Manning is, as NB put it, “a county bumpkin”.

That sounds to me like a personal dislike for Manning that has nothing to do with his talent. Hardly an objective opinion, if you ask me.

Cool thing is this: we won, you lost, we’re going to the playoffs and you’ll get a higher draft pick than us.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Dec 19, 2008 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, I'm a Manning Hater

But that’s not why I’ve been saying that he’s overrated. I have respect for him because he is a very good QB. What socal and I have been saying is that he is not the greatest of all-time or even of this generation, and we’re not saying this BECAUSE we’re Manning haters, we’re saying this because there have been better QBs and Tom Brady is the best QB of this generation. I only brought my Manning hatred so you know it’s not out of jealousy because he plays for the Colts.

Cool thing is this: I can rest assured that I’ll never meet a Jaguar fan that lacks the class that most Colt fans seem to. Seriously, what’s with all the childish taunting?

by Nebraska Jag on Dec 19, 2008 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs