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Trading for Jared Allen: Myths, Facts, and Reality

It's funny how much can change in two months.  If you go back in time to the 15th of February I advocated trading for Defensive End Jared Allen.  In those days I was expecting Allen to sign his franchise tender and he'd cost the Jaguars two first round picks to go for him.  Yet I still called for it, declaring that the Jaguars were in no-mans-land at the 26th spot and with Allen we would without a doubt pick even higher next year.  

It turns out that Allen might not cost two first round picks after all.  Allen is visiting with the Minnesota Vikings and Tampa Bay Buccaneers in hopes of working a trade.  The Chiefs, much to their fans dismay, are entering full on rebuilding mode, overpaying Allen just isn't a smart move for the franchise.

Unfortunately for the Jaguars, there seems to be little chance that a trade would occur to bring Allen to Jacksonville.  While the price is now less than two first round picks, he would still merit at least a first and a third round pick.  For Jacksonville to enter into the sweepstakes, they'd have to make their package more valuable than the Vikings or Bucs, considering that we're almost ten picks behind the purple people eaters and six behind Tampa, it'd mean having to sweeten the deal even further.  I don't know if a 1st, 3rd, and 5th would do the trick.  Let's say, hypothetically, that the Vikings offer a 1st and 3rd (27th and 82nd picks).  That's worth about 1175 points.  Jacksonville's first, third, and fifth (using the highest in each round) is only worth 969 points.  Even if it's Tampa Bay that we're competing with, their first and third is worth about 1025 points, we'd still be short.  The only way we could get close to beating the offers from these teams would be to include our 2nd round pick,  which would be absolute draft suicide.  

Before you raise your pitchforks and call me a hypocrite for advocating spending two firsts on Allen but not a first and a second, hear me out.  My logic on spending our firsts is based on the fact that we're so far back that there's not a huge amount of difference between the late first round talent and the second round talent.  We can trade our first and still get a solid starting player out of the second round, particularly if we decide to trade up in the round.  Having several third and fifth round picks makes movement very likely.  Same would be true next year, if we were without a first round pick.  Unfortunately, trading both our first and our second, as it would likely cost to get Jared Allen would probably render most of this draft to a group of development players, not exactly what we need to make a big run.  While getting a "sure thing" out of Jared Allen is good, we've still got other needs that a solid second round pick can fill.  

However, we should be very excited at the prospect of Minnesota picking up Jared Allen, mainly because that's one less team with a clear need at defensive end off the board.  It increases the possibility that Phillip Merling is available for the Jaguars, though it does not guarantee it.  It also takes away a talented player from the AFC, not that the Chiefs were any real threat to anyone this year.

There is another way, possibly, to get Jared Allen without having to sell the farm.  That would involve trade talks falling apart with the Vikings and Bucs, and the draft coming around to the Jaguars.  If there was one of the top offensive linemen still on the board, and the Chiefs were unable to draft one with the 5th overall pick, there could be a bit of leverage there for the Jaguars to make a move.  

The odds of that, no matter how good it sounds, are slim to none.

What about Jason Taylor?

I'm glad you asked.  If anyone should be upset at this development it's Jason Taylor and Bill Parcells.  If Jared Allen is worth any combination of 1st and 3rd round picks, Jason Taylor's cost is falling.  Nobody in their right mind would pay nearly as much for a 34 year old defensive end after a 26 year old goes for (possibly) a 1 and a 3.  

Or on the flip side, a 2nd round pick by itself sounds pretty reasonable, or maybe a 3rd and two fifths.  

eh

I know I should get a little excited at there even being a possibility of Allen being on the market, but I just can't do it.  Too many variables, too many outside factors that we can't compete with.  It just dosen't feel like the Jaguars can get in on it without costing the farm.

Unless, that is, we play into the rumor that LT Khalif Barnes is on the trade block, that might entice KC a little bit.

Your thoughts?

-Chris

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J. Allen is a great talent at end...
and could put the Jags over the top in their pursuit of a championship. However, does his multiple DUI offenses scare you at all especially with the several driving incidents that have happened in the past couple of years for the Jags? Also, a first and maybe a third round pick is all I would give up because of these off the field concerns. What is your opinion of Rosevelt Colson, the Patriot linebacker who has had double digit sack seasons over the past 4 or 5 years? Is he damaged goods or could he fit right in as an extra linebacker in Greg Williams aggressive style defense?

by Jaggernaut on Apr 17, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I meant Rosevelt Colvin, not Colson. My apologies.
Also, I do think the Jags will give up their 26th pick overall and a third round pick for Jason Taylor and the Dolphins second round pick. I think this will be a draft day deal.

by Jaggernaut on Apr 17, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not under the right topic, maybe...
but what are the thoughts on reggie smith?  i noticed he just got picked up by the vikings in the second round of the mock draft.  how about taking campbell in round one, and then trying to move up in the second to grab smith?  people are knocking on campbell, but i have confidence in the coaches' ability to motivate.  plus, i like the idea of the two reggies in the backfield.

by abeaugh on Apr 17, 2008 10:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bad pro day
Not to be a wet blanket, but the Oklahoma guys have had months to prepare for the draft process.  When you've had so long to prepare and then come up short, it says a lot about your ability to deal with the NFL level.  

I worry about both the Oklahoma guys.

-C

Jags Blogger for SB Nation Big Cat Country!

by River City Rage on Apr 18, 2008 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This team values character
I believe one of the primary considerations in the draft is character.  It has been written how Wayne Weaver doesn't like character problems, but I believe the dislike of bad actors is now very deep inside the team.  Jack said he likes coaching this team. Fred Taylor said this last season was fun because of the guys. Maurice Jones Drew said, in response to a caller, we don't want a big name if they disrupt the locker room.  There is a very special chemistry on this team that Jack and the guys will fight to preserve.  So we probably won't draft Campbell or Talib or guys like Kelly.  It eill be someone like Tevor Laws who plays hard every down or Justin King who has no issues.  I think there will be a great choice at both first round and second round for the Jags, it just might not be a DE.

by Tkopa on Apr 18, 2008 6:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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