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State of the Secondary: Trading for Lito Sheppard?

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The 2008 Jacksonville Jaguars secondary, as of now, consists of some combination of Rashean Mathis, Drayton Florence, Brian Williams, Reggie Nelson, and Gerald Sensabaugh.  Toss in a few undrafted free agents like Isaiah Garder and Michael Grant and you've got a decent group of folks to choose from.  Some, like Nelson and Mathis are homemade drafted talent, Williams and Florence both high priced free agents.

With the exception of Sensabaugh and the recent signings, they were also one of the worst units in pass coverage last season.  The 2007 Jaguars allowed 8.6 yards per pass attempt, a number that could have been worse had the team played better quarterbacks.  425 yards allowed against the New Orleans Saints was the low water mark of a secondary that suffered from injuries (Sensabaugh and Mathis), first year rookies (Nelson) and quick veteran fixes (Sammy Knight and Aaron Glenn).

The most glaring issue in the secondary might have been the disappearance of Brian Williams in many games, particularly against the Indianapolis Colts. Wayne, sadly, destroyed Williams, having a 100% success rate against him in both games.  14 of 14 catchable passes toward Wayne were caught.  For the season Williams allowed 15.4 yards per attempt.  Provided the quarterback could get the ball off, a throw toward Williams was almost a sure-fire first down.

To be fair, a disappointing secondary is part of a larger unit.  The absence of pass rush allowed quarterbacks more time to make their throw and required cornerbacks and safeties to cover for a longer period of time, thus allowing bigger plays through the air or the accumulation of hundreds of yards in dink and dunk underneath passes.

The Jaguars attempted to address their secondary with the addition of San Diego's Drayton Florence with 12 million dollars in guaranteed money for a guy who's proven he can be slightly better than average.  Of course, he's never played a snap for the Jaguars, so it's yet to be seen if he'll excel under Del Rio and Williams.  Reggie Nelson will have another year of experience with the passing of another offseason, and Gerald Sensabaugh will play with two healthy labrums, rather than two torn ones.  If you combine this with the Jaguars two defensive ends recently added through the draft there is a reason to be fairly optimistic about the defense.  They'll be healthy for the first time in a long time and with a bit more experience as well.  The only question is really where Drayton Florence "starts", considering that Brian Williams is still the corner opposite Rashean.  12 million in guaranteed money is an awful lot for a nickel corner, though the Jaguars do run a significant amount of 3 cornerback defenses.

If the statements made by Florence are true, he expects to be the starting cornerback, with Brian Williams moving to safety.  Mystery solved, right?

No:

The Jaguars, reportedly, are considering trading 2009 draft picks for Philadelphia's Lito Sheppard.

Frankly, I don't like it, not one bit.

Lito Sheppard is a difficult cornerback to understand.  He's been to the pro bowl, he's played in a super bowl, he's got the good interception stats.  But there a serious lack of consensus about his talent and skill as a cornerback.  When respectable football scientists like KC Joyner or Football Outsiders declare that he has a lack of coverage skills, and that 41% of passes thrown at Lito are caught, that raises an eyebrow.  That he's also never played a full season without missing time due to injury, other than 2004 is also a problem.

When you combine that with the fact that Lito is only able to shop himself because he's wanting a big new contract like Asante Samuel and cannot fathom the idea of sharing a secondary with the former Patriot, it only further frightens me.

The Jaguars are doing a fantastic job building an impressive 2008 roster.  Trading any 2009 picks for Lito Sheppard is a gross overreach.  Lito is not as good as his interception total, and for the contract that he'd demand, I expect a shut down performance.

I agree that the combination of Mathis, Florence, Williams, Nelson, and Sensabaugh would be rather intimidating, but the cost to performance difference with and without Sheppard, based on current performance seems negligable, especially with the cost of putting one of those five players on the bench.  If putting Sheppard on the field means benching Florence in non nickel situations, why are we paying Drayton starters money?

More importantly, at what point do the Jaguars go too far in order to win this season?  The Jaguars are not in a one year window, they've got youth, a starting quarterback with low miles, a re-signed head coach, and some nice talent on the bench.  If 2008 takes us just short of the Super Bowl, it won't be the end of the world as far as the current roster goes.  To sacrifice too many draft picks or invest too much salary in the secondary hurts the team in 2009.  The Jaguars can expect on picking late in each 2009 round, but to have fewer picks after only 5 in 2008 will severely damage the flow and development of the roster depth.  I contend that while the Jaguars have the potential to be very good, what's gotten the team to that point is the patient development of the roster through the draft.  Suddenly signing each flashy free agent emerged as the tactic de jour, combined with trading draft picks leads us to small high-risk drafting where missed picks leave us empty handed.

Signing Lito Sheppard does not seem like a reasonable approach toward making the 2008 Jaguars into a significantly better team.  Yes, the team must beat players like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, but there is more to that than just getting the flashy names.  Lito Sheppard's performance does not match his price, and putting him into a rotation with Drayton Florence, or moving the latter to Nickel seems overkill.

If Lito is traded and has an outstanding year with the Jaguars and the secondary becomes the best in the league, then yes, I'll wear the egg on my face and eat my  hat and all that nonsense.  But anything less than that and the team as wasted a foolish amount of money and draft picks.  Gene Smith, James Harris, Jack Del Rio, and the rest of the coaching staff MUST see something on film that says "he's the key, he will take us to the Super Bowl", for this move to make any sense.  It reeks of desperation and short sightedness.  I want to be wrong, I assure you.  I'll welcome and cheer for Sheppard just as I would any other signing. 

But I can't stop thinking about what 2009 will look like if we've traded a "package" of draft picks to the Eagles.  It's not one pick, that's not a package.  The plurality of package makes me worry that if it's not one, it could be more than two, which would leave me huddled in a corner crying. 

There is of course one caveat to this, and that's the "unknown factor".  Perhaps there is an injury that is as yet unannouced.  If the Jaguars have a concern about the health of Mathis or Williams, then getting someone like Sheppard, for the right price, is more understandable. 

It's understood that if Sheppard is to be traded, it will be before the Eagles "rookie mini-camp" this weekend.  Andy Reid wants to speak to Sheppard before then, probably to assure him that he's still "the guy" with Samuel being there, though I hardly imagine that will settle things. 

Obviously, we'll have more coming on this issue in the next few days.

Your thoughts?

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Why trade for Lito Sheppard?
Because the AFC is dominated by quarterbacks
55 votes
Because the Jaguars are an injury away from problems
37 votes
Because the Jaguars need one more piece to win it all
10 votes
Because if two starting corners are good, four are better.
45 votes

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It looks like this was all orchestrated by Lito’s agent and JDR either isn’t tipping his hand so as not to get into a bidding war with another potential suitor for Lito, or this is ALL BS. I did find a funny tidbit on times union blog

“A veteran Jags player agreed.

“Wow,” he said. “We’ve got plenty of corners. Why would we want to do that? I’m sure Shep wants to start, Rashean is Jack’s stepson and they gave Drayton [Florence] plenty of [money].”

So basically, if the club signed Sheppard, he’d have a tough time of getting onto the field. What do you guys think?“

by silencecs on Apr 30, 2008 10:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Trading for Sheppard

Chris, how can you be so eager to trade away multiple high draft picks for a 34 year old Jason Taylor, and totally contradict yourself in not trading for a young 2 time pro bowler in Sheppard? I usually have the same view points as you but when you made your blog on dancing with the stars Jason Taylor being the guy to put the Jags over the hump, and giving up a second and fourth to get him, I threw up a little in my mouth. One guy does NOT ever in my opinion put a team over the hump. Sacrificing the future by trading away valuable future draft picks on a 34 Jason Taylor with an 8 million cap hit, because you think he will be the guy to put the Jags in the Super Bowl, but not trading for Sheppard is rather contradicting. JDR said the same thing a while back on not ever buying into the philosophy that your just one player away. How many good years does a 34 year old DE entering his 12th year have left? The Jags from reports were only willing to give a 4th, and nobody else seems to be interested at the asking price of a second round pick, otherwise he would have been dealt.

I don’t see how you can be for trading for Taylor, and turn around and write a blog contradicting yourself about not trading for Sheppard for the same reasons you wanted to get Taylor?

I also like to know how you can you be against the idea of drafting Grooves before the draft, yet you now love the fact the Jags got Grooves. I even wrote in response to you and other draft sites why Grooves would be a great pick for the Jags, while you were saying how you didn’t want anymore DPR and he would only be good in a 34 defense. I even listed ten guys that are playing around the league that are the same kind of build and player Grooves is, and how they are pro bowlers playing in a 43 defense. Every year they same the same thing, heck I remember arguing with Ketchman about how good Jevon Kearse was going to be, while him and everybody else was saying he was too small to be effective in the NFL. Thats just one example I could go on about Freeny as well and others but I think I made my point.

Grooves is lightening quick, and will develop into an every downs DE along with double digit sacks year in and out. No reason not to expect that from everything I know and seen so far from Grooves. He will be another great second round pick for the Jags.

I think you do great work Chris, and are very knowledgeable concerning the Jags. I hope you take the above as a challenge to explain and clarify the above, and not as a personal attack.

by NASF on Apr 30, 2008 11:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Here goes.

First off, I’m glad you call me out on this sort of thing, it’s a good thing.

1. Trading Draft picks for Jason Taylor was OK with me because it seemed very unlikely that the Jaguars had any reasonable chance to draft one of the top rated defensive ends. I did not expect the Jaguars to have any means of getting someone like Harvey. Trading for Taylor and then drafting someone like Jason Jones or Bryan Johnston was, at the time, the best way that I saw to address defensive end.

By drafting Harvey and Groves, the Jaguars used a significant amount of draft picks, more so than they would have spent on Jason Taylor. My opposition to trading for Sheppard comes from the idea of having two significantly smaller draft classes in a row and the problems that could create in restocking the “jars on the shelf”

On Groves, I think it’s a little more clear. I have no problem with Groves as a player, rather my “beef” was that he did not seem to be the solution to our situation at defensive end this season. However, when combined with Harvey, drafting Groves now gives Gregg Williams an incredible multi-functional weapon.

Both of my argument for getting Jason Taylor and against Quentin Groves existed in the “Jaguars can’t trade up to get Harvey” world. After they did so, all bets are off.

-Chris

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by River City Rage on Apr 30, 2008 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great response

All thoughts are situational but we don’t always explain the rational behind the thoughts. The Harvey situation was very unique and could not have been anticipated in pre-draft opinions but a 26 pick was the underlying thoughts of all of us.

In agreement with the idea of not trading draft picks, here are two. One, a Fred Taylor replacement will be needed in the next two years and top RB comes in the first two rounds. Any lower and it is a low probability of success. Second, the Offensive Line will be an issue with any injury this year. Offensive Linemen come in any round and so quantity of picks is needed to find them.

The JAGs small class, quality selection based on need is a risky strategy. Try it too many times and it will burn you. I think they got away with it this year, but that needs to be verified on the field.

by Tkopa on Apr 30, 2008 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

RB's are dime a dozen... Linemen open the holes

Starting OL are found in the first and maybe the second round only… after that you have to develop them typically. Just as many RB’s taken early are hits as misses… Reggie Bush Vs. Adrian Peterson is perfect example of how hard it can be to tell. I think you saw the Titans overdraft at the position this year too. The jags have had success and could just as easily move Greg Jones to RB if necessary (due to injury). I doubt you’ll see an early pick used on any RB’s next year unless it’s a great value. We are gonna need to figure out Khalif Barnes situation after this season. Early round draft pick could solve that issue real quick.

by silencecs on Apr 30, 2008 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

IIt seems awfully odd to me… all I can think is that perhaps Williams is planning on running something like the Gators did in the ‘07 title season – the base may be a 4-3, but at least as much time is spent in a 4-2, so you effectively have a third corner and third linebacker as co-starters. This would match well with the emphasis on pass rushing in the draft, especially the delight in getting a guy like Harvey. You can spare that third linebacker if the line can stand up to the run.

by peachy rex on Apr 30, 2008 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

This is true

I’ve been looking up and down for some information about how often the Jaguars operate out of a nickel defense, but due to the fact that the NFL will not release “coaches tape”, and that game charting must happen based off of broadcast feed, the Football Outsiders “game charting” project cannot determine how often the Jaguars leave their base defense…

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by River City Rage on Apr 30, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nickel defense

I can’t remember where I read the percentages, but the Jags were in a nickel defense 59% of the time. It listed all the teams, and if I remember correctly the Chargers were number one in playing out of a nickel defense. Coincidently Florence was part of the Chargers defense in playing the nickel CB.

Now if you take into fact that the D-line is continually being shuffled, there really isn’t that many players on the field 100% of the time. The NFL is always evolving and the new trend is the spread offense, and having three good corners to combat teams like the Pats and Colts who deploy that offense a good deal of the time, is now a must. I don’t think paying a 3rd corner who is now on the field 60% and increasing, is a bad idea. Florence whether he plays the nickel or be the full time starter will be money well spent. The bigger concern for me is whether he plays up to the kind of money. He excelled as a nickel but was badly beaten as a starter. I believe your friend at football outsiders has the stats to back that up. So moving Brian Williams to safety is not a lock, especially if Sensabaugh plays up to snuff.

Thanks for taking the time to clarify your stance, and I am glad you took it the right way.

by NASF on Apr 30, 2008 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

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