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AFC South Rival Rundown: Titanic Edition

In the coming weeks we'll be outlining what our AFC South rivals have done in the off-season and why they are better or worse off for it.

First, we'll start with the Titans as we examine what will likely be the begining of a multi-year rebuilding project this season. The Titans are not where they need to be to compete for the division title this year, and likely won’t even make a run at a wild-card seed. They haven’t done enough to improve in any area and this club is clearly in a rebuilding year, whether their fans want to admit it or not.

Vince young has been a bust as a passing QB and couldn’t hold a candle to former Atlanta signal caller and dog-fighter extraordinaire, Ron Mexico (if you don’t get it, ask in the comments and someone will tell tell you).

Vick’s passing was still below average, but Young’s is atrocious. His mechanics are horribly flawed, he’s immature (shirtless drinking), and doesn’t have the football intelligence to play at the pro level (wonderlic score of 6).  As long as Vince is their QB, they will be a run first team and that was their logic behind drafting the 4.24 speed freak C. Johnson. He could turn out to be a big time player… but likely not this year. He hasn’t faced NFL competition, or difficult college teams at that. He played his NCAA days at Garrard’s college of East Carolina, which doesn’t face the nation’s most stringent defenses. 

The other RB’s in Tennessee’s backfield are above average but not great. LenDale "McWhite" runs the show back there, but can’t control his weight and admittedly eats fast food all the time. He’s always struggled with conditioning and this year shouldn’t be any different. Chris Henry still hasn’t reached the next level, and may  never get there.

Their first round pick will mainly be a safety valve in the passing game, especially early in the year. In my opinion that describes the entire Titan offense this season.

Alge Crumpler was brought in from the falcons specifically to act as a dump off for Vince Young in a passing game in which he flinches too often and takes off. The team clearly doesn’t want him to run as much because they’ve provided him solid contributors with RAC ability.

The first move was Crumpler, followed by the drafting of the best pass catching RB in the draft. However, in a somewhat questionable move, they chose to ignore any WR early, instead focusing on their defensive line.

Therein lies the problem, too many holes, not enough plugs. Simple math will be the Titans’ undoing this season, there just aren't enough quality players to replace the ones they have lost. Add to this the fact that they have a new offensive coordinator to replace Norm Chow, and you’ve got trouble

Mike Heimerdinger is the new coordinator but had no time to work with Vince in the off-season due to Young demanding to finish his degree from Texas."This gives more credence to the rumor that Vince seriously thought about quitting football. It’s a little bit different when a guy like Jamaal Fudge goes back for his degree because he hasn’t, and likely won’t, get a huge contract. As a result having his degree is crucial to providing for himself if football doesn’t pan out.

[Note by River City Rage, 06/11/08 6:01 PM EDT ] Hartley, a Titans fan in the Comments, gives a correction here that should be noted:


Vince scheduled his classes so that he could fly back to Nashville, he was here 4 days a week even while in school. ‘Dinger did get time with Vince, enough time to recognize a problem with Vince’s footwork and start working to correct it.

Young already got a huge contract, and the only way he loses that money is to retire, in which case he’d be on the hook for the better part of 20 million dollars to the Titans in recoverable pay. The only reason he needs a degree is if he quits football and has to get a real 9-5. This is all speculation on my part, but I don’t think Vince can handle the NFL. 

Defensively, they have an influx of rookie talent at the line of scrimmage. They have a new run stuffing DE and a project they snagged in the 4th round from Winston Salem State. Both are suspect, in my opinion, as neither is the complete package. Jason Jones has very limited pass-rushing skill and William Hayes is way undersized 6’2 252 lbs. Neither will likely play lights-out this season and it is likely neither will develop into pro bowl players. Jevon "The Freak" Kearse is back, but is merely a shadow of his former self and isn’t worth worrying over. If he were still a star he wouldn’t have lost his job, and that’s the bottom line. Don’t listen to the spin! 

Albert Haynesworth is sitting out of OTA’s because he didn’t get a long-term deal. This is a bigger deal than many might imagine because Haynesworth probably isn’t getting the intense conditioning he would get if he signed his franchise tender and showed up to work. He likely won’t be in top conditioning when we meet the Titans early in the season and their defense will be chewed up.

What is Albert Haynesworth missing by not being at OTAs?

Fisher "It’s the day to day work.  It’s the day to day change of direction, conditioning, and the workload.  Like I said several weeks ago, I hope he is able to find and match the workload somewhere else, but it is very, very difficult to do."

The Titans will indeed be easy prey this season.

-Collin

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Wow...

After reading this you’d almost think the Titans wouldn’t even have success in the CFL.

Good luck this fall, silencecs… Can’t wait for the boys in Blue to maul your Garrard.

by BeansCarter on Jun 11, 2008 5:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Remember, it's all conjecture till game time...

At least we won’t have to wait a long time to meet on the field. Week one is right around the corner.

Beans: Know any good restaurants in Nashville? I’ll be at the game, and would love to have some fine Tennessee bbq!

-Chris

Big Cat Country!:: The Official Home of the Unofficial Blog of the Jacksonville Jaguars!

by River City Rage on Jun 11, 2008 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Restaurants

The best “TN BBQ” is in Memphis. But if you insist on BBQ:

Jack’s BBQ on Broadway (look for the neon sign with the flying pigs) is good.
Also, Jim ‘n Nick’s out on the west side of town (Charlotte Pike) is also good.

While BBQ may be more west TN than Nashville, a true Nashville food tradition is hot chicken, and if you like spicy food, you can’t leave town until you’ve tried some. Don’t be scared of the fact that the best hot chicken is found in one of the worst neighborhoods, go anyway. You should totally try Prince’s Hot Chicken Shack on Ewing Dr in East Nashville, it’s only a few miles from the stadium.

Don’t get the extra-hot unless you really mean it.

For Italian, I would recommend MafiaOza’s, a cool Mafia-themed place on 12th Ave. S. Also a bar, but their drinks are pricey.

For sushi, I would go with RuSan’s, yes it’s a chain based out of Atlanta, but it’s really good an really inexpensive, also on 12th Ave. S but closer to downtown.

For Mexican, Rosepepper Cantina on Eastland Ave. Near the stadium, not your standard TexMex fare that you can get anywhere, and ranked as the city’s best margaritas the last 4 years.

Those are some of my favorites. Name a type of food or drink, I can probably give you someplace good to go.

by hartley on Jun 11, 2008 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hot Chicken sounds awesome!

That’s what I thought about TN bbq. Thankfully I’ll have to drive through Memphis on my way there (I’m not coming from FL), so I’ll get the best of both words.

I’ll have to do some figuring as to where I’m staying up there. Obviously near the stadium would be nice, though the last time I was in Nashville I was like 6, so I don’t remember a thing about the city.

Thanks for the advice!

-Chris

Big Cat Country!:: The Official Home of the Unofficial Blog of the Jacksonville Jaguars!

by River City Rage on Jun 11, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

No problem

In fact, depending on my work schedule that weekend (I graduate from college on August 9 and have no idea what I’m going to be doing after that), I may be able to offer my services as a guide.

The stadium is just across the river from downtown. Hotels-wise, there is a Ramada Inn literally across the street from the stadium. But it usually fills up fast on game weekends, and may already be booked solid. The next closest hotel is the Days Inn Stadium, a half-mile away. After that, your next best bet is to stay in a hotel downtown and walk across the river. The downtown hotels will be nicer, but also more expensive. A cheaper idea would be to stay in a different part of town, but then you would have to drive in for the game, making it necessary to rent a car and also deal with game traffic.

Since your profile says you’re out of college, Nashville has changed a lot since you were six.

by hartley on Jun 12, 2008 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

A fan that "just won't admit it."

Here I go, proving you right. Let me first begin by saying that I do have questions about some of the decisions the Titans have made, starting with not grabbing a WR early in the draft. I’m not a blind homer, I realize our offense has had difficulties.

With that said, I would like to rebut some of your points.

1. “Vince young has been a bust as a passing QB”
Vince Young is not a bust as a passing QB. He still has lots of work to do, but his completion % actually improved from 51.5% to 62.3% from 2006 to 2007. Yes, there were too many INTs and not enough passing TDs last year, but the completion % shows that he is making improvement. Also, it could be argued that some of those INTs are actually the fault of a WR who ran the wrong route! He is entering only his 3rd season as a starting QB, I would wait and see how this year goes before “bust” might be valid.

2. “he’s immature (shirtless drinking)”
It was a private party, somebody had a camera phone. He didn’t drive home afterward, that shows a certain level of responsibility. I just don’t see this as a big deal unless it becomes a regular occurrence.

3. “and doesn’t have the football intelligence to play at the pro level (wonderlic score of 6)” Sigh, I’m really tired of this one. The test was scored wrong, it was rescored and he actually got a 16. Still low, but there are other successful NFL QBs with scores that low.

4. “As long as Vince is their QB, they will be a run first team and that was their logic behind drafting the 4.24 speed freak C. Johnson.”
Replace “Vince is their QB” with “Fisher is their head coach” and this statement is accurate. Fisher has a serious hard-on for the running game, long before Vince was drafted.

5. ” Mike Heimerdinger is the new coordinator but had no time to work with Vince in the off-season due to Young demanding to finish his degree from Texas.”
Vince scheduled his classes so that he could fly back to Nashville, he was here 4 days a week even while in school. ‘Dinger did get time with Vince, enough time to recognize a problem with Vince’s footwork and start working to correct it.

Heimerdinger is also known for his ability to coach up WRs, he did it here when he was OC the first time, and he did in Denver as well. The Titans are obviously hoping he can do something with our current WR corps, some of whom are 2005 draft re-treads (or busts, depending on your POV)... hey, just like Jacksonville! Troy Williamson, anybody?

On your defensive line arguments, I don’t know enough about the new guys to form an opinion, and fear you may be right about Fat Albert and the Freak.

by hartley on Jun 11, 2008 5:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Different Jaguars p.o.v.

Great rebuttal Hartley, I don’t agree with it all, but I appreciate the time in the response.

1. Vince Young, in my opinion, shows moments of great potential and moments of great disappointment, sometimes back to back. What concerns me most is that the constant change at OC and the lack of help as far as receivers go seems to have VY regressing a bit. Yes, this year is important in determining if he’s going to make it as a Pro QB or not.

2. On the drinking front, my rule is this “If you didn’t drive, you’re doing OK”. Matt Leinart, Vince Young, any of the guys who engage in a little fun during the offseason and DON”T GET DUI’S, are OK with me. Were it the regular season, that’d be trouble, but he’s been clean cut otherwise.

3. Football Intelligence: I’ve heard from a few “insiders” that there was a significant “dumbing down” of the playbook early in VY’s career. Obviously, as he’s progressed as a quarterback they’ve stepped up the level of intelligence required, but he’s showed difficulty in adjusting to pressure and making his progressions. Maybe intelligence is the wrong word. He still has a problem overcoming his tendency to rely on his legs to make a play rather than reading and checking down according to the play.

The wonderlic thing will never go away, just like Marcus Stroud will “always be a cheater” because of the suspension, and Jacksonville will “always be the bengals of the south” because of the DUI’s. Sadly, it’s part of what we deal with for years and years. At least we won’t be branded frauds like the Patriots and Spygate…

4. You’re right on. Fisher loves to run.

5. I’m all about the college thing, so no hate from me there. In fact, I edited the post to reflect what you said. Thank you for the correction.

I was actually very high on the Jaguars drafting Jason Jones, who IIRC you drafted in the 2nd round. He’ll be a good guy for you, though maybe not his first year. East Michigan didn’t play against the type of offensive linemen that he’ll face in the NFL, but he’ll learn. He’s a true 4-3 defensive end that’s more than just a situational pass rusher. You’ll like him.

I don’t think the Freak is going to do much. His knees are in rough shape, and Philly didn’t do him too well.

Thanks for the thoughtful and detailed rebuttal!

-Chris

Big Cat Country!:: The Official Home of the Unofficial Blog of the Jacksonville Jaguars!

by River City Rage on Jun 11, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are welcome.

I actually thought it was you, Chris, who wrote the original post, and only later realized it was someone else.

And you’re spot on about this : “He still has a problem overcoming his tendency to rely on his legs to make a play rather than reading and checking down according to the play.” This is similar to the problem that Heimerdinger noticed with Vince’s footwork – he never actually stops and sets his feet, he’s always moving. No matter how good a QB you are, that’s going to cause accuracy problems. I’m still in shock that Norm Chow either never noticed or never mentioned it, but Heimerdinger called Vince out on it after just a week or so of practice reps.

The spin on Jevon Kearse is that he didn’t really fit Philly’s scheme, and that is true, he never had the success up there he had in TN, but he was becoming injury-prone even in his last year in TN, that’s why they let him go to Philly in the first place.

by hartley on Jun 12, 2008 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

wonderlic score of 16

QB David Garrard had a wonderlic score of 14 in 2002.

by Pedro1963 on Jun 11, 2008 8:52 PM EDT reply actions  

That won't take you far with me

I merely said the stigma of the wonderlic score would stick with VY for a long time. Not that the score actually meant anything.

-Chris

Big Cat Country!:: The Official Home of the Unofficial Blog of the Jacksonville Jaguars!

by River City Rage on Jun 11, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

The “review” is just too biased to count. The Titans prove to be a contender every year. Every team in the AFC South does because the games are almost always close. There might be a runaway at the end- or a final season game where a team plays their backups- but the games for the most part are always close. Rebuilding or not, beating the Titans (or Texans) will be no easy task.

Throw in some positive notes for every negative note and then you’ve got yourself a review. Chris Hope is dangerous, Haynesworth is ALWAYS a role player and someone to gameplan for, Vanden Bosch is a player whose stats speak for themself, Lendale White is adequate, Crumpler will be a danger on 3rd downs, and not to mention… Vince Young is still one fast dude and always a threat to scamble- just as Garrard is (not a comparison in skill, just as a scrambling threat).

Tennessee will always be my most hated rival circa 1999. But they definately are owed respect for getting a wildcard last year with their lack of weapons. Not much has changed. Teams always find a way to get it done, and I am sure they will be as strong as last year.

by meacham on Jun 11, 2008 10:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Lack of weapons last year?!?

Their Defensive line was one solid weapon! Their offense sucked hard all year… The defense kept them in close games that their kicker and VY’s legs won. The defensive line has been disbanded (that’s putting it lightly) and the only major run stopper left is holding out. You guys don’t see the writing on the wall.. This team is headed for a downward spiral this season as their defense has fallen off and their offense hasn’t improved vastly. They will finish last in the division by a long ways… mark my words.

The Texans “review” will be much kinder as that is a team with it’s arrow pointing up. The Titans, however, will be an unmitigated disater this season, and most likely will stay that way until VY isn’t under center anymore.

People say they aren’t ready to call him a bust yet, well, he still sucks!
-Collin

by silencecs on Jun 12, 2008 12:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Well

Now i know that debating with you is worthless.

by hartley on Jun 12, 2008 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

No offense Hartley

But unless C.J. turns out to be everything “REGGIE BUSH” was supposed to be, you guys will struggle.

I do love your coach though, Jeff Fisher is a future hall of famer and the consistency of keeping him there for over 11 seasons definatly pays off and is why you guys always prove the critics wrong. I just don’t think this is the year, maybe you could make it in the NFC, but not here.

I really think that you don’t have enough playmakers unless CJ turns out to be the man… Which may happen, but isn’t likely

by silencecs on Jun 12, 2008 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

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