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Derrick Harvey Signing Watch: Day Six

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It's time for you to come to camp...

The Jacksonville Jaguars and first round draft pick Derrick Harvey found themselves in an awkward situation with his potential signing.  Harvey, selected 8th, found himself between two other unsigned players, The Saints Sedrick Ellis and Bengals Keith Rivers bracketed Harvey, which creates a sort of "Mexican Standoff" type of situation.  Harvey is represented by Ken Kramer, a member of CAA, and will typically "slot" his players based on who signs before and after the draft spot.  Unfortunately for Harvey and the Jaguars, the other agents were doing the same thing.

The impasse is now broken, Sedrick Ellis signed a 5 year, 19.5 million dollar contract with the Saints, and the high end of Harvey's contract is set. 

While it is tempting to put the blame on greedy agents and players, the Jaguars also have an interest in waiting these things out.  They have a stake in protecting their franchise, and not overpaying first round draft picks is a big part of covering their financial bases.  While it's probably a small matter of incentive bonuses and contract language, the Jaguars would have their eye on the Saints and Bengals picks almost as much as Harvey would.  If the Jaguars signed Harvey for 19.5 million only to have the Saints sign a pick before the Jaguars for less money, they'd have egg on their face.

I expect that with Sedrick signed, Harvey will be in camp in a matter of a day or so.  I also expect that my 17.5 million dollar signing bonus prediction will be nearly exact.  Harvey will soon be at camp and all will be right in the world, save for all the injuries to the Wide Recievers, a subject we'll discuss later today.

There is an unintentional side effect to Harvey's Holdout, the fact that he can now come to camp and not have the pressure of being a savior on the defensive line.  He's gone from a hyped first round pick to just another rookie, and if he starts out slow it's because he's missed time, not that he's a bust.  Of course, we'd never jump to such rash conclusions at Big Cat Country, but I'm OK with him having a little less pressure.

With a little luck, the next post you see here will be announcing his signing and we can move on from this holdout nonsense.

-Chris


 

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Which will happen first?

Derrick Harvey signs…or the stadium gets a title sponsor?

While the Jags are a great organization I guess you just can’t win them all. Unfortunately, both issues are income related, and blackouts and empty seats sure don’t help get these kinda things done. I would say, if the Jaguars had sold out their season tickets a month ago, Harvey would be signed already and we might be looking at a title sponsor for the stadium. It’s give and take. The fans in Jacksonville need to give a little more so they can ensure generations of take. By lack of ticket buying, we sometimes force the organization to tiptoe on financial eggshells. And in the wildly popular NFL, that’s startling and embarrassing.

Unfortunately, the truth only comes out game-by-game.

by arthardie on Jul 30, 2008 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

???

I don’t think they haven’t signed Harvey because they haven’t raised enough money to do so. The stadium sponsorship and ticket sales have very little to do with the contract negotiation of a top 10 pick. He will be paid in comparision to the relative picks above or below him.

by jagsfanbrunell on Jul 30, 2008 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep, you nailed it.....not related.

To be master of oneself and never waiver in ones resolve.
- Maximus Desimus Meridius

by jagsrock on Jul 30, 2008 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Make the connection

Ticket sales and stadium sponsorship are major sources of income for an NFL franchise. Player salaries are the biggest expense. Naturally the two are very dependent upon each other.

So, this guy’s a holdout. Obviously he’s asking for more money than the Jaguars want to pay him. The Jaguars don’t want to overpay him because their finances border on break even every year, so a few million extra here or there can be the difference between profit and loss. Lack of assured revenue (such as sold out games and title sponsorship) therefore will affect the flexibility in the team’s ability to negotiate player contracts (the biggest expense.) Hence, we arrive at our current struggle to get Harvey into camp. Let’s all just feel lucky and appreciative that Jones-Drew didn’t decide to hold out for a restructured contract at the same time.

Unfortunately, the truth only comes out game-by-game.

by arthardie on Jul 30, 2008 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

HarveyHarvey

The Jaguars have usually had there draft class signed by opening of trainning campwith 1 exception Bryon Leftwich, Harvey’s only hurting himself and may lose playing time depending on when he signs

Armand Riendeau

by ARMJAG on Jul 30, 2008 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

all about the money...

I know these guys like to play football, but it’s still about the money. I think he may be a little more concerned with the millions and a little less concerned with playing time. It’s just the way that it is when players are paid to play.

by jagsfanbrunell on Jul 30, 2008 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Come on guys,

The reason he hasn’t signed is that the same agent represents Ellis, Harvey and Rivers. The dumbass agent is the hold-up, not Derrick.

To be master of oneself and never waiver in ones resolve.
- Maximus Desimus Meridius

by jagsrock on Jul 30, 2008 6:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Derrick has the final say

He may be too young to know it but he can call it when he wants to. David did on his contract.

by Tkopa on Jul 30, 2008 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

No offense, but...

I honestly couldn’t care a less if Harvey is signed tonight, tomorrow, next week, etc. What I DO care about are the players that are in camp. There is nothing that can be done by the players or coaches who show up every day and bust their butts practicing and learning the system. Sure, I would like for Harvey to be there and show us why we’re probably going to give him a ton of money, but how is it going to change training camp if he’s not there right now? No one knows who is to blame. It could be the agent. It could be Harvey. Does someone have private insight to the negotiations? It’s a shame that it has become more and more about the money.

Sean Jax Beach Bum

by cuffs007 on Jul 30, 2008 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Great Comment

That is how I feel. The team is made up of players and players are on the field. Let’s focus on them and not someone sitting home. The game will be played and new stars will be born. Byron Leftwich got off to a bad sart with fans by holding out yet the Jags had their real quarterback on the field playing the entire time.

by Tkopa on Jul 31, 2008 5:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

although I agree...

It’s just sad that I’ve been to more training camp practices than our 1st round pick. At least Groves showed up, and man did he show up.

To be master of oneself and never waiver in ones resolve.
- Maximus Desimus Meridius

by jagsrock on Jul 31, 2008 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Groves...

I agree with jagsrock. Groves may still end up being the better of the two, and he’s AT camp working with the team. I was a big Harvey fan when he was a Gator, and I have defended him on here in my previous comments, but I’m starting to feel like Tkopa lately. This is B.S. He need to have a reality check. JDR said the offers are “rediculous.” What’s the point of making stupid offers if you KNOW the team wont pay. All it does is hurt the player by limiting his practice and hurt the team by not having there 1st rounder there that they already sacrificed to get. Like Tkopa said, Harvey, DOES have the final say as Garrard did, he needs to tell his agent to sign him up for a lucrative, but resonable contract and start playing some damn football!!!

by jagsfanbrunell on Jul 31, 2008 9:10 AM EDT reply actions  

and to that last line.....

all the Jagfans say,” AMEN BROTHER”.

To be master of oneself and never waiver in ones resolve.
- Maximus Desimus Meridius

by jagsrock on Jul 31, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Harvey

The Jags have never had a problem signing players, that says something about Harvey’s situation, maybe the agent is to blame?
I wonder what the agent is telling Harvey to make him not sign the contract.

by kujo24 on Aug 1, 2008 7:20 PM EDT reply actions  

hmmm..........food for thought.

To be master of oneself and never waiver in ones resolve.
- Maximus Desimus Meridius

by jagsrock on Aug 2, 2008 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

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