Bad News Comes in Three's: Worst Wednesday Ever

by River City Rage on Jul 30, 2008 6:06 PM EDT Comment 20 comments

In what can only be described as the "most depressing Jaguars.com article ever", we learn that Reggie Williams will require knee surgery, Brad Meester's bicep is still up in the air, and that talks between the Jaguars and Derrick Harvey are far away from reaching a contract agreement.

Let's tackle these one-by-one.

1. Reggie Williams requires surgery on cartilage, Del Rio described this as a "little cleanout". Remember a few weeks ago when we thought that the Jaguars had tremendous depth at wide receiver and that a potentially talented player could be cut? Yeah, those days are well behind us. The Jaguars now are without their number one and two receivers in Porter and Williams. Vic Ketchman tells us in todays "Ask Vic" that Dennis Northcutt has some back troubles. Toss in Mike Walker's knee cutting into his practice time and you've got Matt Jones and Troy Williamson as the Jaguars healthiest pair of wide receivers.

Matt Jones, thankfully, is having an outstanding training camp so far, from stepping up in the Oklahoma to catching everything in practice, so there's that. D'Juan Woods and Jeron Harvey are going to get a really nice look over the next few weeks, which is never a bad thing. The Injuries to our recievers is something to worry about.

I can't imagine thinking this, but how about "thank god for Matt Jones", cutting him before camp could have been a good PR move, but I'm glad cooler heads prevailed.

2. Brad Meester's bicep injury is still up in the air. There are reports that he's gone to consult with Dr. Andrews, the same one who addressed his other bicep last season. The Jaguars are having some movement on the line, which if you remember last season was a big part of the Jaguars power on the field. Injuries on the line are never good, though Drew Miller is blowing people away in camp. Of course, he's still the third center on the depth chart right now, but keep an eye on him.

3. My sympathies toward the Derrick Harvey contract situation are wearing thin. I'll admit that I never thought a protracted holdout was possible, but now that he's missed nine practices, I'm starting to get concerned. There's simply not much room left to negotiate, not when the 8th pick last year was a defensive end and the player before Harvey is under contract. Sorry Derrick, the 8th pick dosen't get the same contract as the 5th. Sign the contract, get to camp, and prove your value.

If someone can find some positive news out of camp, please forward them to me. I need something to cheer me up.

-Chris

0 recs | Comment 20 comments

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Smile Chris

I just posted a pessimistic report on another article, so this is a positive note. Remember this…All teams face adversity. All teams face holdouts and injuries and bad attitudes. Ours is coming early. But here is what other teams don’t have: Jack DelRio, Greg Wiliiams, Donnie Henderson and Dirk Kotter. The defensive backfield looks fantastic. The linebackers are driving the offensive mad with blitzes. Clint Ingram is a beast this year and Quentin Groves took on Khalif Barnes and found a way to get it done in the Oklahoma drill. Fred look faster than ever and Greg Jones is ready. The coaching will get the best out of everyone and the core is solid. New stars will be born and it will be a year to remember. Sit back and enjoy the ride.

by Tkopa on Jul 30, 2008 6:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

dang right.

I have been going to practice and was there for the Oklahoma drill. Quentin Groves is proving to be more than I expected and I expected alot. Collier had to fall on him to keep him from the QB dummy and hopefully Khalif won’t wear his pride on his sleeve, ‘cause he’s gonna’ see alot more of Quentin before it’s over. I just can’t wait until the QB dummy is Peyton and Tom. Get ready boys, he’s comin’ for you.

To be master of oneself and never waiver in ones resolve.
- Maximus Desimus Meridius

by jagsrock on Jul 30, 2008 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

harvey's contract

now that ellis is set, we’ll see. from the article on jaguars.com, it sounds like del rio isn’t happy about how much money ellis got, and wants to sign harvey for significantly less. i doubt that will work. we’ll see.

by abeaugh on Jul 30, 2008 6:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

good news

We will see what all of our receivers are made of and may get presently surpeised. We know what Porter and Reggie bring now it is up to the younger wr’s to shine or get cut

Armand Riendeau

by ARMJAG on Jul 30, 2008 8:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Well???

You don’t exactly know what Porter brings since to the Jaguars since you have not seen him yet with your team. So, thats up in the air IMO.

by HelloKitty on Jul 31, 2008 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here is the Derrick Harvey Problem

Will Derrick be closer to the 5yr $20Mil of Jerod Mayo or the 5 yr $50Mil of Vernon Gholston. Where is the big drop going to happen? How long will it take? It looks like a stalemate and I don’t expect Derrick Harvey for half of the pre-season and unless he is a pro-bowl caliber guy, forget him this year. I don’t like this guy already and hope Richard Collier pancakes and laughs at him.

Pick – Player Team Length – Contract Guarantees
1 – Jake Long Miami Five – $57.5 million $30 million
2 – Chris Long St. Louis Six – $56.5 million $29 million
3 – Matt Ryan Atlanta Six – $72 million $34 million
4 – Darren McFadden Oakland Six – $60 million $26 million
5- Glenn Dorsey Chiefs Five – $51 million $23 million
6 – Vernon Gholston Jets Five – $50 million $21 million
7 – Sedrick Ellis Saints Five – $19.5 million
8 – Derrick Harvey Jaguars
9 – Keith Rivers Bengals
10 – Jerod Mayo Patriots Five – $18.9 million $13.8 million
11 – Leodis McKelvin Bills Five – $19.4 million $12.6 million
12 – Ryan Clady Broncos Five – $17.5 million $11.5 million
13 – Jonathan Stewart Panthers Five – $20 million $10.795 million
14 – Chris Williams Bears Five – $16 million $10 million

by Tkopa on Jul 30, 2008 10:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

pay the man and get him to camp

by RockSteadyFreddy on Jul 30, 2008 11:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Jets

Ruin everything.

by HelloKitty on Jul 31, 2008 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yep, they sure are.

To be master of oneself and never waiver in ones resolve.
- Maximus Desimus Meridius

by jagsrock on Jul 31, 2008 6:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pay the man his money

by Optimus Prime on Jul 30, 2008 11:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

pay the man?

It’s easy to say when it’s not our millions, huh. But yea, it would be nice to see him in camp right about now… Hurry the freak up Harvey!

by jagsfanbrunell on Jul 31, 2008 12:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Positive news from a Colts fan

It’s only the offseason. Chill.

by HelloKitty on Jul 31, 2008 3:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

this is scary....

I just agreed with you twice.

To be master of oneself and never waiver in ones resolve.
- Maximus Desimus Meridius

by jagsrock on Jul 31, 2008 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

A Positive Outlook

Sure yesterday was quite sour. But imagine this scenario. Porter and Williams are ready to go by the last pre-season game. Groves picks up Harvey’s slack and tears it up all preseason. Meester, well, he stays hurt but Dennis Norman fills in and does a great job, plus, Drew Miller railroads people all preseason. Add all that to a healthy tight end rotation (perhaps one of the best we’ve had in a while) and a new-look, aggressive defense that kills opponents, and we’ll be steamrolling right into the season.

In my opinion, the only real long-term threats at this point are Meester’s bicep (Jeff Lageman had the same issue and essentially retired because of it) and Harvey’s Holdout (which at this point, I’ve just forgtotten about him.)

Groves is already endearing fans so put your faith in him. Go Jags! Fortune shall shine upon us soon.

Unfortunately, the truth only comes out game-by-game.

by arthardie on Jul 31, 2008 8:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Just sign him.

The worst part about Harvey’s holdout is that the fans might turn on him. No one likes a greedy player. I hope this doesnt happen to him but it is a fear I have. He needs to get to camp soon. The Jags can turn down all the contract proposals they want but in the end he will get the money. Just sign him and lick your wounds. That is the cold hard truth.

by JagSoldier on Jul 31, 2008 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

you are wrong

Only half of the first round picks make it in the NFL. Half of them are wasted money. The Jaguars are right to hold out. $2 million less in guaranteed money is $2 million they can spend on a good free agent or renewing a proven veteran. I think they might be smarter walking away from the deal and taking care of those who take care of them. Harvey hasn’t proven anything to anybody.

by Tkopa on Jul 31, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

you are wrong

by Tkopa on Jul 31, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Big Head Harvey

C’mon, what happened to the days of proving yourself (just a lil’).Contract hold outs on rookies is ridiculous. Be gratefull your god given talent has got you this far. God don’t like ugly and Harvey’s trying to cash checks his ass ain’t earned. hurry up and get to training camp because theres some big ol’ nasty O-lines out there that will put you on your ass to protect there Q.B. You might have shined at Florida but, you ain’t a star in the N.F.L (yet).

by AlleyCat inaJaghat on Jul 31, 2008 8:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The system is flawed, why should the Jags....

be held hostage because financially irresponsible teams like the Jets and Raiders pay outrageous salaries to unproven rookies. There’s a reason these teams are consistently picking high in the draft, there upper management doesn’t know what they’re doing. Thank God the Jags are becoming a well oiled machine in regards to management. I know I might feel different if I was a player, but taking a little less money to play for a potentially great team seems like a fair trade off. It’s ironic with all the talk about Jason Taylor being a distraction and not having his heart in football any more if traded to the Jags, and he’s at camp and we can’t get Harvey on the field. Regardless, it’s full steam ahead for the Jags with or without Harvey!

by Jaggernaut on Jul 31, 2008 10:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I totally agree...

You nailed it when you said “there’s a reason these teams are consistently picking high in the draft.” I never really thought about that untill you made that statement. That is funny, those sucky teams who are always at the top of the draft ARE there for a reason. They suck at managing there respective caps and there rosters. We traded to get into the top of the draft with all the other loosers and now we’re paying the price so to speak. J – E – T – S SUCK, SUCK, SUCK!!!

by jagsfanbrunell on Jul 31, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs