Derrick Harvey Holdout Watch

by Jonathan Loesche on Jul 31, 2008 8:50 PM EDT

UPDATE: This was posted by FBT in the comments section of the Quentin Groves quote and reposted here so more people could hopefully see it

Jack Del Rio said in post practice interviews this morning that the Jaguars were trying to be reasonable with their contract offers. He went on to clarify that the team had basically offered Harvey a 10% bump over what the 8th pick got in 2007. He said that the two sides weren’t even remotely close in this negotiation as Harvey’s agents (Condon/Kremer) are looking for a 75% bump from the pick last year.

That’s not a typo.

75%.

The 8th pick in the draft last year got a contract roughly around $30 million in total with a $15.7 million signing bonus.

Do the math. That would mean that Harvey is looking for a contract northward of $53 million with around $27 million in guarantees.

With the current Derrick Harvey situation let us all take a step back and look at things

Only in our biggest teal and black shaded fantasy worlds did we not think by trading up to the Top 10 that Harvey wasn’t going to get some absurd contract. ESPN made a big thing about Matt Ryan, but even Jake Long took a "below" market contract that still made him the highest paid lineman in the league.

Can you blame Derrick Harvey for wanting to get the cash that everyone else around him is? If and when a new CBA is signed, the only way rookie salaries will go down is through that. Until then, Top 10-15 picks are going to get large contracts.

Either way, if he comes out and has a 10-12 sack season I think this will all be behind us. However, what happens if this continues and he has a Mario Williams-esque rookie year? Well, lets not think of that yet.

Poll

What is your current opinion on Derrick Harvey

He'll be the best player in Jaguars history no matter what!

6 votes

If he's productive during the regular season playoffs I don't care when he signs

118 votes

If he isn't productive I'll be furious

74 votes

He better just suck it up and sign ASAP

172 votes

I don't care if he ends Peyton Manning and Tom Brady's career, he still isn't worth it

39 votes

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Have you lost your mind?

Derrick Harvey wants more than Albert Haynesworth and Paul Spicer combined. And you ask if we can fault him? Yes we can. He is out of his mind and so are you for defending him.

Tell Derrick Harvey game over, he lost.

by Tkopa on Jul 31, 2008 9:17 PM EDT reply actions

John's not defending him...

He’s just giving Harvey’s perspective, but I think the fact that he’s holding out over 1 or 2 million, which will likely be incentive pay (if he gets it). By holding out he decreases his chances of reaching those incentives (a la Brady Quinn), and that’s just follish.

I agree that Harvey should “Jag-Up” and take a deal, not draw this fiasco out, You’re dead on about that Tkopa.

-Collin

by silencecs on Aug 1, 2008 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions

Pyrofish and I have the same Typo disorder...

I meant to type that it’s a joke that he is holding out over that much… and spell foolish correctly. ;)

by silencecs on Aug 1, 2008 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions

thank you

by Tkopa on Aug 1, 2008 5:25 AM EDT up reply actions

Wouldn't that be something?

2007 QB Controversy, coach cuts the starter and starts David.
2008 Draft Controversy, Jags tell Harvey to sign or Pound Sand

I gotta tell you, if we did that, and still went deep into the post season, Del Rio and the Organization look like Uber Geniuses.

It won’t though. He’ll sign, eventually. What he going to do, go Miami and be a loser for 3 or 4 years?

by Pyrofish on Jul 31, 2008 11:03 PM EDT reply actions

typos...

Can’t stop from correcting own typos….

What’s he going to do, go to Miami and be a loser for 3 or 4 years?

by Pyrofish on Jul 31, 2008 11:04 PM EDT reply actions

Was David Gerrard stupid?

David broke off negotiations at $9.5 mil and signed the offer. He could have milked the situation for more, he had more leverage. I appreciate his attitude.

If the Jags pay Derrick Harvey $10 mil a year, does that make David look stupid? Does that send a message to everyone else? I think it does. I think paying Derrick Harvey $10 mil and giving in to him destroys team chemistry and moral.

I actually believe the team would be better off walking away from him totally. I believe football would be better served making an example of someone and scaring all the agents away from this tactic. Derrick Harvey at $4 mil is understandable. It is also market rate for rookies of his caliber. It is Jerrrard Mayo money and it is more than fair. $10 mil is destructive for moral, the financial structure of the team and the wrong price for him. He is not Jerrard Allen or Albert Haynesworth. He is nobody right now. Prove it and you will be paid.

Derrick, if you are reading this… GO TO CANADA. Gey away from our team. We don’t need you and we don’t want you here.

by Tkopa on Aug 1, 2008 5:50 AM EDT reply actions

Don't give in!

ala Management. Since when does a worker hold his company hostage for ransom? This guy isn’t Bill Gates. I mean… I’m hoping he does a great job for the Jags and becomes a standout on defense, but lets face it, did Florida even win the SEC last year? No they finished third in the East bracket.

Bottom line: Rookies are a crap shoot. That’s an awful lot of money on the toss of the dice. Prove Your Worth! Make it an incentive laden contract.

by Jaghomer on Aug 1, 2008 8:14 AM EDT reply actions

I hope the team holds firm

He’s still going to get at least $15M guaranteed but they should really point out that if he sits out the entire year, he has no chance of being a top-10 pick in next years draft and he’ll literally be giving away a year of his career and $5-10M in guaranteed money.

If he’s still unsigned going into September, they should LOWER their offer. Make a stand.

by pksiv on Aug 1, 2008 8:48 AM EDT reply actions

I'm going to lighten up on Derrick Harvey

Although I want the team to hold firm on the money and not see any more than $4mil a year, the quote from Quentin Groves gives me hope Derrick is a real football player and not scamming for the money.

He better get in and begin making a name for himself at a decent market rate. Fire that agent, he only has his own interest in mind, not Mr. Harvey’s future.

by Tkopa on Aug 1, 2008 3:12 PM EDT reply actions

The NFL needs to.....

put a stop to this crap. These agents are holding the teams hostage. They just want their players to learn as much as they can before the season and make their team as strong as they can. It’s kinda’ hard to do that without the players. The NFL should fine these agents for every day that the players they represent are not in camp. That would put a stop to this nonsense.

To be master of oneself and never waiver in ones resolve.
- Maximus Desimus Meridius

by jagsrock on Aug 2, 2008 12:15 AM EDT reply actions