Jacksonville Jaguars: Reloading the Rifle part 1
The Jaguars' season now is squarely in our rear view mirror, and we can take an honest look at what we're dealing with. Let me start by drawing a contrast between Chris and myself, I don't see us rebuilding, I see us reloading. The overall strength of our roster is good, and our young players are developing quite nicely. I'll focus on the defense, and touch on the glaring need for a LT now, and the offense will be next.
We need a strong LT to keep Garrard upright; that has got to be priority number one. This is the hardest position to fill besides QB, but our spot as the number 8 overall pick puts us in prime position to draft one of the few OT who can come in and start from the beginning, so we should be able to solve that issue. Another option is to tie up a LT in free agency as a stop-gap while the LT we draft learns. That would also free us up to trade away the number eight pick and grab a linemen farther back who may need some polish before they're ready to shut down DE's.
We need a STRONG Safety. The Brian Williams experiment is over, and he's no Bob Sanders (despite what Vic says). Gerald Sensabaugh will likely leave in free agency and if that happens, then SS jumps up the board as a major need for the team. Reggie Nelson is a speed and coverage guy, not a run stuffer. Brian Williams is more of a pass defender then a run stuffer too, meaning we need another Sammy Knight (only younger and faster... and capable of covering TE's).
After thinking about it, I don't think we have to draft another CB. Next year we'll have Mathis, Williams, Florence, and Scott Starks. Most of these players are proto-typical cover two corner-backs (minus Scott Starks... he has the speed to play man-to-man against most), and I expect we'll see a major improvement when the team returns to this style of defense. Our two DE's should help bring pressure next year and that will help the CB's immensely.
Our Defensive line really only needs an interior run-stuffer, a position best filled through the draft. I wouldn't be surprised to see Big John traded in a fashion similar to Stroud. He has a very high cap number and hasn't produced up to his contract in the last 2 years. Some of you may remember that he missed countless practices last season due to "personal problems", and it was expected that he would return to form this season. However, that hasn't been the case and he has struggled at times. He has played well over the last month though (The Jags shut down their opponents' running game the last 4 contests of the year), which may increase his trade value, or prompt the team to give him another season. On the whole, his performance has been unsatisfactory for the last two years.
ROB (don't call me Seth) Meier hasn't played as well as he did last year prior to penning an extension. Derek Landri has played great, but he still isn't strong enough to be a force in the run-game. He's got a great ability to pressure to QB from the DT spot though, something that many interior linemen can't do. He was clearly an excellent 5th round pick, and you have to love anyone that comes out of Notre Dame.
Don't forget about our mammoth of a "jar on the shelf" Theo Horracks. He spent the season on IR, but he is a huge run-stopping DT we signed as a UDFA and holds a lot of promise. Our interior DT's must be our focus! If Terrence Cody comes out (which I'm betting he will) then I would have no problem trading back a few spots to try and draft him. Stop the run and run the ball... that's how you win.
Reggie Hayward has been one of the team's top performers at DE and has built a solid rapport with rookie DE Derrick Harvey. Hayward will undoubtedly be back both for his tutelage of Harvey, and his ability to play run or pass. Paul Spicer hasn't played as well this season either, but his versatility (he can play DE or DT) will get him another year.
Harvey and Groves are developing quite well, and Derrick Harvey has actually been performing much better than most have given him credit for. As of Dec.12 he was only one behind Dwight Freeney and tied with Mario Williams in QB pressures. This was prior to his last three games, including the game against Baltimore where he registered 2 sacks.
AFC South QB pressures (with sacks) Dwight Freeney, 25 (9.5)
Mario Williams, 24 (11)
Derrick Harvey, 24 (1.5)
Tony Brown, 21 (3.5)
Paul Spicer, 20 (3.5)
Albert Haynesworth, 19 (8.5)
Kyle Vanden Bosch, 18 (4.5)*
Reggie Hayward, 17 (1.5)
Rob Meier, 17 (2)
Jevon Kearse, 15 (2.5)
Robert Mathis 14, (11.5)
So, maybe some of you have been a little to hard on the guy, blaming him for the team's failures when he has been improving by leaps and bounds. Need more convincing? Read This.
Reggie Hayward had this to say about Harvey's development.
"He has the ability to be a great player," fellow starting defensive end Reggie Hayward said. "He's learning to let the game come to him instead of trying to force things." "He used to be really quiet in the start, but now he's asking questions," Hayward said. "He's evolving his game. I don't mean physically, because he's already there. I mean he's evolving mentally. The game's starting to slow down for him." Harvey admits that he may have forced his play a bit during the start of the season.
It is evident that Harvey is beginning to feel at ease with the team. He's got a mentor in Hayward and he is asking lots of questions, which highlights his desire to improve. I have no doubt that he will continue his strong push from the end of this season into next year. If he can continue to create pressure, it opens up all the possibilities of our defense. A new co-ordinator is going to walk into a very talented defense next season and I can't wait.
-Collin
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You can have all the QB pressures you want
But the number on the right is what really matters. If Groves and Harvey become what we hope, they’ll make our secondary much better than if we draft Malcom Jenkins or Vontae Davis. I still say if one of the 3 Blue Chip LTs are on the board, that’s our first round pick. If not, I wouldn’t have a problem trading back and picking up Cody.
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by FSBlueApocalypse on Jan 2, 2009 2:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Really? I have to disagree...
QB pressures alter the throw of the QB and can leave a lasting impression. David Garrard has been the most knocked down QB in the league this season, don’t you think that impacts his play? It’s really not as black and white as the number of sacks he made, it really is much more complex then that, especially when you consider he’s developing.
-Collin
by silencecs on Jan 2, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cody said he's not coming out
Hot Dog:$4/Big Coke:$3/Tickets:$1400/Watching Peyton Manning Cry:Priceless...
by Rufio904 on Jan 2, 2009 2:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I believe that pressures are important
but they didn’t seem to significantly alter the performances of many QB’s that the Jaguars faced over the course of the season. I don’t think anyone will debate the fact that we weren’t consistent in our pressure, but maybe I’m too cynical. I do see Harvey improving, but I’m not sure that our next defensive coordinator will walk into a very talented defense unless we make major improvements.
by car-ramrod on Jan 2, 2009 4:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Address DT and SS and if our DE's progress as expected, then we should have a dominant defense again.
If we resign Gerald and get a strong DT, I think we are set. Maybe a CB if a great one is available, but I think DT and SS have to be our main focus.
by silencecs on Jan 2, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I resectfully disagree with the entire premise of the article.
This team definately needs to rebuild and not ’reload. The core players are good, but almost the entire O line needs addressing either in replacements or all out upgrades. D line also needs addressing.
i have been one of Harvey’s biggest critics and I stand by my opinion until he shows me otherwise. he will improve but never be big time. In the meantime – the D line needs addressing as well. They must find someone to pressure the QB. Whether that comes from current talent or is acquired in the offseasaon – this is a must find.
Finally – blow up the WR corp and start anew. we must find a legit #1 WR.
so the wish list is rank order of need:
1 – O line
2 – D line
3 WR
this “project” will take a couple of seasons – so no way are we “reloading”
by OGN on Jan 2, 2009 4:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's "reloading"...
If we’re talking about a Revolutionary War Era Musket…
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by River City Rage on Jan 2, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha... It must be Open-Mic Friday here at the Improv...
Let me ask ya this Chris, “Is the 9:30 show different from the 7:30 one”? ;)
by silencecs on Jan 2, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You have been one of his biggest critics
And you have always had a sort of guilty until proven innocent mentality. Now that Harvey is showing signs of life and actually getting pressure on the QB…..well, he’s still guilty of being a bust to you. That seems a bit unfair, especially considering he’ll have the benefit of a whole offseason conditioning program and training camp for next year.
LT is a huge priority, but I don’t think the entire o-line needs to be destroyed. Assuming our bizarre biceps injuries are gone with the new training staff, Meester should be fine, and Manuwai is one of the best guards in the league. Pashos is a good run blocker, and he will be fine without a gutted interior line.
DT is another priority, and of course WR is a perennial area of need, but you’ve gotta start with the big guys.
by MoveThoseChains on Jan 2, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
O line is need #1
Must replace LT. need to upgrade OG and C while we’re at it. Meester is getting long in the tooth and getting some mileage to boot. Big time injuries makes me a little worried as well. We cannot continue with backups to backups on the O line. Improved O line leads to improved o production, both running and passing. This increase TOP and results in less exposure of a declining D.
I never labeled Harvey a bust. I’ve been very consistent and very clear. We WAY over paid for him in terms of draft picks and $$$. He will get better and I think will be a decent (not great but decent) DE -definatley NOT worth the price paid.
Time may prove me all wet on this and as a Jags fan, I do hope that’s the case — but like I said – I’m from MO on this and seeing is believeing – so far – I’m not a beleiver.
by OGN on Jan 2, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree about the importance of the O line
I’m just saying that not all the starters need to pushed out yet. Building depth is a must, and hopefully some of that depth will be ready in a couple years to take over from Meester and others.
You, me, and the Jags all need you to be wrong about Harvey :)
by MoveThoseChains on Jan 2, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LT and C is all that needs upgrading
We can resign Meester to deal with the C position, and draft the LT we need in the first round, either at 8 or trade back and get one. Then we have to address DT, SS, and WR. One key success in each of those positions either in free agency or the draft fixes this team.
Our Guards are Uche Nwari, Vince Manuwai, and Mo Williams… There is no real upgrade needed there. Pashos is set and will regain his form when he isn’t pass blocking 40-50 times a game because we’re losing by double digits and we can’t run.
If Harvey and Groves improve into their second year, then we should see improvement out of our CB’s. A return to the typical cover 2 will do wonders for this defense… mark my words.
by silencecs on Jan 2, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Might be wishful thinking
Manuwai Used to be good before the injury, yet to be seen if he still is.
Williams used to be kinda good before hs injury – yet to be seen if he still is.
Nwari never showed much.
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by Tkopa on Jan 3, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nwaneri?
Nwaneri actually looked pretty good by the end of the year. And Maurice Williams only suffered a ruptured bicep. That’s almost never a career ender.
by Ewdtrey on Jan 4, 2009 2:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the team is very pleased with Uche and I doubt very highly we'll use a high level draft pick on a guard.
Manuwai should make a full recovery. His injury was early in the season and he’ll be back for the start of camp next year.
Williams will be fine… Not a big time injury.
by silencecs on Jan 4, 2009 4:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
According to JagNation
Manuwai may not be back in time for the start of camp. Probably doesn’t mean much assuming everyone else is healthy and back.
by Ewdtrey on Jan 4, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree with OGN...
Not to be a downer, but as compared to the top 4 (even 6) teams of the conference, the Jags play this year wasn’t even close.
My rational would be this: If the offense can keep points up on the board or be a scoring threat, then maybe the defense can win some of the close ones. To do this, the Jags are going to need ‘O’ line help and depth.
Stop-gap filling and we’ll be having this same conversation next year. The ‘D’ is very young… we have that going for us, but you said it… ‘cover 2’. It’s killing us. The Jags are getting picked apart. I was pessimistic about the Harvey- Groves selection, but I’ve seen the improvement. Is the need for a strong safety or is it a corner? I am leaning cornerback.
by Jaghomer on Jan 4, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It all depends on Sensabaugh... if we can re-sign him then we should be good at SS...
If not, then I’d say that SS is a bigger need than CB.
by silencecs on Jan 4, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Theo Horrocks is not mammoth
Theo is not “huge”. In fact, he’s not even bigger than Rob Meier. The reason Big John didn’t return to form is because we lost that mystique when we lost Marcus Stroud. All of a sudden the illusion of an immovable wall was gone. Nobody respects Rob Meier and nobody respect our DE’s. Really, Big John is the only person worth double teaming on our defensive line.
What we need to do is get back to being big on the defenisve line. If Tenny is not able to sign big Al, then we HAVE to push for him. If we can get him, then we need to do what we need to do to get Ron Brace in the draft.
What the Jaguars should do is trade down in the first round to avoid having to pay top ten money. The Jaguars should use a late first round pick and that early second round pick to pick up Phil Loadholt or Alex Boone and then Ron Brace.
by moufpuncha on Jan 2, 2009 6:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He's 6'4" and pushing 300lbs... That's not huge in your book?
That sounds like a pretty big man to me… Especially for a rookie who hasn’t added all his size yet for the NFL.
by silencecs on Jan 2, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not for a DT
Albert Haynesworth is huge. John Henderson is huge. Theo Horrocks is not huge.
by moufpuncha on Jan 2, 2009 11:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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There is only 1 DT on the Colts who is over 300lbs, so I think they might classify him as huge… Plus, he hasn’t reached his full growth potential because he was only a rookie this year. I’d say 6’4" is a nice sized DT and while I’m not saying he’s the Jolly Freaking Giant… He is a big-man who many people forgot about because he was an UDFA and finished on IR.
But whatever you say dude. I’m not gonna argue semantics with you. If he’s small in your book, then we’ll go with that. I really don’t care. The main point I was trying to make is that we have a DT who may turn into a solid contributor in the future… hence the Jar on the shelf comment.
by silencecs on Jan 3, 2009 2:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You mad?
Don’t get mad. What I’m saying is it’s usually the bigger the better at DT. The Colts only have one DT over 300 pounds because they realized sub 300 pound DT’s don’t stop the run and they ran out and got a guy. He “may” be a solid contributor, but why wait? He “may” be a solid contributor, but wouldn’t you take your chances with a bigger guy? He “may” be incredibly strong and extremely gifted. I’m just saying I’d put my money on a guy 20 to 30 pounds heavier than him. Theo is not 6’4 pushing 300. He’s 6’3 282.
Please tell me something about Theo that leads you to believe that he is a possible answer as a run stuffer.
by moufpuncha on Jan 3, 2009 3:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
That was his weight when he was signed as a UDFA... No, I'm not mad... just a little frustrated with some personal stuff and it may have come off like that.
Sorry if so. I just saw his Vandy college bio has him at 6’3" 290 lbs as a junior… The guy clearly has room to grow. I don’t know where I got 6’4 from… must’ve seen it somewhere.
I’ve seen nothing that would lead me to believe the guy could be a possible answer. He was injured early on and finished the year on IR. He was billed in college as a solid run stopper and the University of Vanderbilt is known for having very intelligent players.
My only real point is that we have a guy in Horracks who is an unknown quantity to us. He may be an UDFA, but so was Tony McDaniel… With the rotation style front utilized by the Jags defense, having many capable bodies is crucial and Theo Horracks may represent another body that could be used in said rotation. I don’t think he is the answer by any means, and I actually think we should draft a big DT in the first or second round. He’s just a guy I know a lot of people forgot about.
Hope I didn’t offend you earlier, bro.
-Collin
by silencecs on Jan 3, 2009 6:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s very nice to log on to NFL.com and to see Derrick Harvey’s face there with the most sacks of week 17.
by SamJags on Jan 3, 2009 8:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
My Boy! Gonna lead the NFL in sacks next year! JK
He is by no means a bust this early in his career, and apparently OGN can see the future because “he will never be great”.
Are you prophetic, OGN? please tell me how our President Elect will do in his tenure.
by harveyismyboy on Jan 3, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Go back and look at the post ESPN-Front Page post by afl storm on June 13. The comments are just weird to look back on from our prespective now
by harveyismyboy on Jan 3, 2009 2:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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excuse my ignorance, but how the hell do you find that?
by car-ramrod on Jan 4, 2009 12:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe
This is the fanpost that harvey is talking about.
by SoCalStites on Jan 4, 2009 1:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering
the same thing too. lol
by Ewdtrey on Jan 4, 2009 2:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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