Sure Chamberlin did get a championship, but he’s always remembered for all his postseason choke jobs, especially to Russell. Same is Manning.

still read this douchebag, Ketchman? Also, FSBlue, are you seriously that fucking stupid? Wilt Chamberlin? The only choke jobs associated with him involve the hundreds of women he allegedly slept with. the man is remembered for being one of the great basketball players ever. Hell, RUSSELL HIMSELF says Wilt was better. I mean, forget the fact that comparing basketball players to football players is about as dumb as it gets, but to suggest that Chamberlin is remembered for his “choke jobs” only make YOU look like a gigantic moron.

No reasonable, rational fan remembers Chamberlin that way. And only small, tiny like peons like Ketchman still hang onto the “Peyton is a choker” label. you’d be wise to salvage whatever clout you have left and just stop posting about Peyton Manning (or wilt Chamberlin for that matter) for a while. you simply have no idea WTF you are writing about.

BBS, I respect the hell out of your opinions, but you sort of made my point. So did FSBlue. Once again, it’s functionally impossible to have a serious discussion about what makes the Colts so different from their regular season performance during the playoffs. While it’s amusing to trash Ketchman and call him a Douchebag, did he make up the 7-8 record in the playoffs? Did he invent the 6 one-and-done seasons? He sees a trend and attempted to explain it. If it’s not Manning, what is it? Why do the Colts win 10,11,12, or more games a season and then have a sub 50% winning record in the playoffs with a nearly all-pro roster?

This is the debate that’s far more interesting. Vic instantly killed that debate by going over-aggressive with a commenter, FSBlue and BBShoe keep it going. If it’s not Manning, what is it?

I’ll completely concede that the Colts do a remarkable thing year in and year out and that if you’re having to discuss why you’re only winning in the playoffs after getting to them every single season, things are clearly on a good track, but something’s got to explain the numbers. It’d be interesting to see that debate happen without turning into a mudfight.

-Chris

Chill out, when have I ever come over to your board and acted like a douchebag, even when you guys have tried to bait us into doing so? Chill out man, chill out.

As Vic says, Manning is 7-8 in the post season. 6 one and dones. He’s been the only constant in all of it. He doesn’t take that sack at the half yard line against the Chargers, the Colts aren’t punting with their backs to the wall and maybe they get enough field position San Diego can’t get the FG to force overtime.

I won’t say anything more on this subject.

Was it where he called all the senders of the probably-profanity-laced emails in his inbox “apologists”? Because that seems fair. Was it where he stated facts and statistics? Because the truth hurts. Was it when he told all the Manning worshipers to get off their knees (which I interpret as like genuflecting, not a much more vulgar meaning)? Maybe that was near the line, but he backed it all up with facts.

How am I going to remember Tom Brady in ten years? I am going to remember him as the quarterback that went 14-3 in the postseason, the quarterback that has 3 Super Bowl rings and would have a fourth if not for a ridiculous catch by a 5th string Giants receiver.

How am I going to remember Peyton in ten years? Pretty much how Vic thinks of him now, and I can promise you that the majority outside of the state of Indiana will too.

I wish Vic would run a tally of all the hate mail he gets tommorow. I don’t look forward to the day that Jacksonville finally acquires a Hall of Fame Player that helps dilute reality and turn a fanbase into a village of worshipers.

We played Indy a few weeks ago and The Stampeders came on here saying that “to anyone who just has a common knowledge about the NFL Peyton is the best” I still completely disagree. I have always thought Tom Brady is the best NFL player. Much better overall than Choke Manning.

From what I see, Big Ben and Peyton drive their team. No other QB’s on other teams deliver as much as those two. Of the two, Peyton is the better QB. I don’t see how anyone can see it different.

Vic guranteed we would draft Tebow if he came out to “Energize the Fanbase” and “Get buzz going.” I wonder if he’s just decided to say to hell with it and troll everyone possible.

when the postseason arrives something happens with him. Maybe it is a mental thing, but most of the time in the Playoffs he is not that exceptional like he is in the regular season. Yeah, he had very good playoff games, (the AFC title game against the Patriots 2 years ago comes to my mind), but Vic has right, he is not a good post-season QB. And why his critics and some journalists points their fingers to him because of that? Because he and Tom Brady is considered the best QBs in the NFL by far, and because Manning’s post season record not so impressive as Brady’s.

I live here in Budapest. I was born here. I live here since. How I find the Jags? Well I starting watching the NFL around 1998 (Well watching it’s a bit too far, I watched th Superbowls since 1998 on German Tv stations. Then there was a nice hearing team name called the “Jacksonville Jaguars”. Then when in 2004 a Hungarian Sport Channel start to broadcast the games (2 game pro week) plus I discovered the internet, I looked after the team. I found Jaguars.com, with Vic, and I started to become a fan of the team (and Vic as well, I learned very much about the NFL because of him). And when it turned out, that Jaguars are not belongs to the most popular team, I liked them better, because they were not a popular pick(Sadly, in Hungary they have the same popularaty then in the U.S. outside Florida). I found also very sympatic players like Fred, John Henderson or Mathis, and head coach Del Rio as well. Now the team is part of my life. And I must tell 1 thing about myself, If I loves something (Team, person, or else) I will becoming a faithfull supporter of that.
I discovered this site about a year ago, and now I decided to jump in, because I like very much what I saw so far here!

Check this out y’all

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Jay_Soward

It is very kind, from all of you.
About Tebow, well if the Jaguars pick him with a middle round(3-5) draft pick, I have no problems with it. I fear that because he is so popular, because of his successes, and because he was born here as well, the Jaguars will draft him in the first 2 rounds when he comes out, to boost ticket sales with it. The Jags are in rebuilding phase, and they have many holes in the roster now. Drat players to this holes, that is the primary objective, not Tebow!

By the way Tebow and I was born of the same day: August 14th