Jacksonville Jaguars Collapse in the Trenches
by silencecs on Oct 12, 2009 12:20 PM EDT
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Well, the Jaguars lost horribly yesterday to the Seahawks. I really don't know what to say about the utter failure of the lines to make an impact at all. Those calling Derrick Harvey a bust can no longer be legitimately retorted. Unless he begins a drastic change and starts showing improvement, which isn't likely, then he'll finish this season with a similar number of sacks to last year (3.5). It's becoming apparent that the Jaguars lost their best defensive lineman when Heyward went down. Harvey was up against a man promoted from the practice squad, and got little to no pressure against a pass-first team. Inexcusable. That's all, just totally inexcusable. Not everyone played horribly, but the lack of pressure was the main issue here, as coverage wasn't horrible besides a few blown assignments. When you have that kind of time, you will complete throws, that's a fact. An NFL QB is not going to throw many picks or poor passes unless they are under pressure.
David looked bad, but in my opinion, the blame rests squarely on the shoulders of the offensive line. Tra Thomas started the game, which many fans have been clamoring for. Well, you got what you wanted, an old, slow, veteran stop-gap who was beaten badly early. He was replaced by Monroe, whom the Seahawks immediately targeted. Monroe responded by playing as he has all season... inconsistent. That's the issue, the QB's blindside was routinely attacked in successful ways early on. Once the Seahawks had a comfortable lead, we saw less blitzing, but still pressure routinely got to Garrard... inexcusable.
The Jaguars' running attack apparently didn't make the plane ride to Seattle, because there was virtually no interior movement from the guys we count on to push the pile, as Jones-Drew's only decent play was a run outside the tackle. This isn't Jaguar football. Andy Heck and Ted (drop-dead) Monachino, have some serious work to do this week to bounce back against the winless Rams. Sigh.
Props to Jack Del Rio for sitting MSW, that's what you do when someone breaks team rules, you dock them a paycheck and don't let them play. Suspended for one game. Done, and message sent. This is a rebuilding year, and the team obviously thought they were better than they really are, which isn't all that unexpected given they're so young, and were coming off a big win. Don't call for JDR's head over that, it happens. Now, If you see it happen again this year after a big win, then I might stand beside you wondering why Del Rio didn't rectify this problem. Young teams act young. Del Rio will have them grown up real quick though.
At least we play the Rams next...
-Collin Streetman
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One more thing
First Coast News is saying MSW missed the bed check on Saturday night resulting in his deactivation
by Jonathan Loesche on Oct 12, 2009 12:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And we buy that?
Or you think it is the cover a 10 minute late from a curfew?
Life without knowledge is death in disguise
by Zoltan from Budapest on Oct 12, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curfew and bed check are the same thing
It boils down to MSW knew he had to be back at the hotel by a certain time, and he wasn’t. Therefore, it warrants a deactivation and I think JDR made the right call on that. I’m more pissed Groves wasn’t in street clothes as well.
by Jonathan Loesche on Oct 12, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He might will be
from this week-I think Gene is thinking about his fate in his throne(pardon office)
Life without knowledge is death in disguise
by Zoltan from Budapest on Oct 12, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Groves hit something
and left the scene? Isnt that just as bad or worse as someone using drugs? I have a feeling that he is bye bye and real soon. The only problem is that who would want to make a trade for him? Im not dissapointed that we lost, that is to be expected every week with this young team. But to have zero positives to carry over into the next week is down right pathetic. I guess we can blame it on the time travel difference or MSW not playing but I dont know. Im not going to point fingers until the end of the season. Lets just move on to the Rams and hope for the best. Also I want Harvey out of the lineup, he contributes nothing but a roster spot right now. He doesnt have it and at this point in his career and there should be signs about what kind of player he is going to be. Only problem is that all the signs are saying “bust”. Gene is going to fix this team, I can wait. Also congrats to Zoltan for posting a great question on Ask Vic. I love it when that happens.
by JagSoldier on Oct 12, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hit and Run?
If he stopped long enough to tell the people who he was, and that he was about to miss a plane. That’s not really “Hit and Run” in the spirit of the law. It’s just bad judgment. Not defending him, just saying.
Now if there was an accident, and the Escalade didn’t stop. Then later it came to light that it was Groves, THAT’S Hit and Run worthy of a ride in the back of the patrol car.
It sounds like he did stop, just didn’t stick around long enough for the police to get there.
by Pyrofish on Oct 12, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Theres alot of stuff going on with that
The story is that at first, Groves just got out, said he was a Jaguar and had to catch a plane, then sped off. It wasn’t until someone blocked him from being able to park that he actually talked to police
by Jonathan Loesche on Oct 12, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds like bad judgment.
I know lots of people who would think that was perfectly acceptable to do, they just don’t know any better. The problem with that is, I hate to think we’re paying that much to someone who “just doesn’t know any better”. You know?
by Pyrofish on Oct 12, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Collin, sometimes I feel like your my only friend on here regarding Jack.
I always agree with you.
If we went back in time and fired Ted Monachino two years ago, it would still be too late. I don’t care how disinterested or bust-worthy Harvey is: with any degree of competent coaching, a fast and strong guy who has the right tools on paper should be able to be a practice squad player all day any day. It’s pathetic. Of course, Harvey apparently isn’t really that fast and strong either, but wow Ted is just garbage.
It looks like Monroe beat Thomas for a reason. Not that it’s going well either way.
In Gene We Trust.
by MoveThoseChains on Oct 12, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
*you're ... it kills me when people make that mistake. I can't believe I made it.
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by MoveThoseChains on Oct 12, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way, reeeealy good summary Collin
I agree all of that, specially the Harvey part. Man if Gen would be the M last year what he would create with 11 picks…
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Oct 12, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
a wonderful thought
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by Surteal on Oct 12, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Seahawks clearly had the momentum in this game.
In the meantime, our team clearly benched the wrong person. We would’ve had a chance if MSW had played.
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by Orlando Rays on Oct 12, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No, Del Rio was right in benching Sims-Walker
We did it to Iwuh vs Indy, and it would have been a bad sign to a young team if he didn’t do the same thing to their budding #1 WR. Plus it would’ve let MSW know he was above the rules. which would’ve only invited worse things to occur.
by Jonathan Loesche on Oct 12, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
Any player, especially a receiver, thinking he is above the rules isn’t a good thing. I was frustrated that he couldn’t play, because you never know if he could have done something to spark the team, but it was most definitely a good call on Jacks part.
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by Bestjagfan on Oct 12, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree
I think the Groves thing is slightly different because it’s a legal issue and it’s all still unfolding and we’re now 3 days away from it happening and we still don’t know all the details.
If what we’re hearing is true, I would expect him to be suspended for at least a game. But he won’t be released. You have to try and get some value out of him still.
by pksiv on Oct 12, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What if Gene cuts him.
He has been in driving trouble before. With Gene’s penchant for focused, dedicated players who keep their ears clean… Is it grounds for termination?
by mattarne on Oct 13, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could probably get some compensation in a trade
He was a 2nd rounder
by SoCalStites on Oct 13, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's the going rate for busts these days anyway?
by OGN on Oct 13, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bad memories and half eaten doughnut
o yeah and the loss of a small fortune
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by TheTealDeal on Oct 13, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Jags should call up Shack and see if he wants his boy back.
Maybe they can get back that 2nd round pick….or Calvin Johnson.
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by MoveThoseChains on Oct 13, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing some refuse to acknowledge...
If you are going to run a 3-4 you need a fast and versatile crop of linebackers.
Our LBers are not 3-4 Linebackers which are suppose to be the ones who generate the pass rush. They are also suppose to contain the intermediate throws and judging by the tape they can do neither.
This group needs to be reevaluated. They are decent in a 4-3 scheme but not so much in a 3-4.
by Slvrgun on Oct 12, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Our whole “front 7” for the D needs to be seriously re-evaluated.
And, lets be honest, our entire O-line too. If it was only the OLT spot (Thomas/Monroe) that was the issue the game would have gone a helluva lot better. We got whipped physically on both sides of the line, and ALL those players involved need a reality check.
I agree too that Harvey was most disappointing in this game (no real pressure on THAT beat-up O-line). My next question is: is Harvey the ONLY player on the team expected to get QB pressures/sacks??? Maybe that is the damn problem. If he is the ONLY one ever called out for non-production, the opposing teams must have a real easy time containing him because they never have to worry about anybody else.
by KeithG on Oct 12, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the Jaguars thought they'd need to be playing this much 3-4
There’s nothing that can be done about the linebackers at this point. Of course, the Jaguars would probably be playing a lot more 4-3 if Hayward and Jeremy Mincey weren’t out for the year.
In Gene We Trust.
by MoveThoseChains on Oct 12, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even in a 4-3 we still wouldn't be a good defense.
Other than Reggie we don’t have a true 4-3 DE pass rusher. We’d still be terrible.
by Slvrgun on Oct 12, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reggie would be exactly one more 4-3 pass rusher than the amount of 3-4 pass rushers the Jags have now.
They’d be bad, but probably not dead last.
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by MoveThoseChains on Oct 12, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW.
sorry to hear about the hawks’ putting it on you guys… at least you guys are second in the division still! we didn’t help out cause any either… and the TITS still stink!
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by chrisd21 on Oct 12, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
loved your giving the Colts some crap about peyton spelling - LMAO!!
by OGN on Oct 12, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah....
they deserve all that and MORE. they’re so damn smug over there! i was hoping that the TITS would man up and injure pei-tun’s bitch ass for the division! make it even!
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by chrisd21 on Oct 12, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
howd you get banned from Bloggin the Boys
you didn’t insult that prize qb of theirs did ya? :)
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by Surteal on Oct 12, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I can really think about is...
Oh great… we got a bye week… a week for them to get even more out of focus and into more trouble. No game is a given in the NFL and them losing that bad to the Seahawks means they’ll be more than ready for the Rams… but after that, it’s a toss up.
In the face of adversity, what you do from then on dictates who you really are...
by JagsNguyen on Oct 12, 2009 6:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow... just saw the Mike Singletary after-game interview
and I’m not sure if he made Dre Bly apologize to the fans & media or if Bly did it on his own… but I just thought that was a great way to put a player out there and have him explain why he failed the team. I would’ve loved to see JDR tell MSW to take the stand after a game and explain to the media and fans what he did. Now that’s how you get to a player… make him own up to his mistakes!
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by JagsNguyen on Oct 12, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what do you call deactivating him?
That seems like making someone pay for their mistakes to me… It was the right call…
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by silencecs on Oct 12, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And today MSW apologized with Groves
before the whole team
Shocking stat of the game:
David Garrard didn’t finish the game against the Seahawks, but he was sacked or hit 18 times.
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Oct 12, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pitiful
you can’t blame all of that to the line or to Garrard but wow thats a lot
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by Surteal on Oct 12, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes it is
I can promise you one thing: if any team hit Manning that many times in one game, his passing would become somwhat “erratic”. Not that I’m comparing Garrard to Manning in terms of ability. But, QBs are just like the rest of us – getting hit repeatedly does things to your mind. (actually, I doubt very many of us fans could take 18 hits like that and still stand up, but you get my point)
I don’t know who is to blame (O-line, WRs, or Garrard) but if we can’t get those sorts of numbers drastically reduced we will lose a lot of games this season.
by KeithG on Oct 13, 2009 5:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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