Groves and Sims-Walker possibly on the trading block?

by Jonathan Loesche on Oct 18, 2009 8:00 AM EDT in Jacksonville Jaguars Rumors

First, thanks to Surteal for bringing this to BCC via fanshot

According to this story on PFT, Quentin Groves and possibly Mike Sims-Walker are being shopped around by the Jaguars in hopes of finding a suitor before the October 20th trade deadline. With Quentin Groves, I can understand the team's willingness to find a trade partner now. Groves' incident while heading to the airport last Friday was his most headline worthy action since being drafted by the Jaguars in 2008. With his demotion to 3rd team, it is clear that Groves has a tall mountain to climb with this team.

This is compounded by the fact the Jaguars are now running the 3-4 (the defense that Groves was projected to coming out of Auburn) and has still been a non-factor. Would a team be willing to trade for Groves at this point? Well he's still very young and in the hands of a team that could actually run a 3-4 scheme, he could be useful as a rush linebacker. Still, I wouldn't expect more than a 5th rounder or similar marginal player in return for him.

Mike Sims-Walker on the other hand, I really can't fathom why this team would put him on the block except to further make an example out of him over his own Seattle incident. Sims-Walker has a minor screw up, so let's trade the guy who was looking like the second coming of Jimmy Smith? It makes perfect sense to me *sarcasm*. Unless we got two first rounders in return, I really can't see the advantage in trading Sims-Walker.

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Groves

I think we can trade him, 3rd guy at the LB spot. He should have been profit from the 3-4 switch but he fall back… If there is a good tade in the sight, then pull the trigger

MSW: NO! He is the go to guy, the hottest WR of the team, without him, I think offensively we are in trouble. Other then a 1st rounder, or an elite player, there would be the first gigantic mistake from Gene to trade him!

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by Zoltan from Budapest on Oct 18, 2009 8:07 AM EDT reply actions

MSW yes trade

He is doing good right now, he has some value we can use it.
Let’s not forget his injuries, we don’t know in what shape his knees are in.
We could loose him anytime, for me he is big question mark.
Yes he could go on and have great career, but also he could be gone in a sec.

To gamble or not…..

by Nikola R on Oct 18, 2009 8:19 AM EDT reply actions

that is a valid point - he didn't earn the nickname - Mike "I Need A" Walker for nothing

I would keep him because he is producing and a known quantity – but your point is a good one

by OGN on Oct 18, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions

Don't get me wrong

I’m realy happy that we have a great WR in him, but for how long is what is killing me.

by Nikola R on Oct 18, 2009 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions

Yeah

but we could also end up with a gigantic bust, and I think the bust rate is probably higher. Not to mention he’ll be carrying his own injury risk, which is normally higher for rookies anyhow. And suppose we do trade Mike, then what? Holt and three rookies. No thank you.

by Ewdtrey on Oct 20, 2009 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions

I doubt the validity

Of the MSW trade rumor. If it had to happen, hopefully we’d recoup some value for him. A second rounder could be considered a profit considering we got him in the third. Groves may me a wash either way. Whatever.

Vae Victis!

by viator on Oct 18, 2009 8:29 AM EDT reply actions

*Groves "may be a wash"...

He may not “me a wash”. Mistakes are queer.

Vae Victis!

by viator on Oct 18, 2009 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions

LMAO!

that was funny :-) — I agree with your points – I think the MSW is just a rumor – time will tell.

by OGN on Oct 18, 2009 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions

Queer?

really?

by abeaugh on Oct 19, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions

What does that mean to you?

1 a : worthless, counterfeit b : questionable, suspicious

It’s funny because it’s also “funny”. Like my mistake.

Get it?

Vae Victis!

by viator on Oct 19, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Like

queer as a 3 dollar bill.

by Ewdtrey on Oct 20, 2009 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions

I would not put anything into an MSW trade rumor until word from the organization.

by indianajagfan on Oct 18, 2009 8:48 AM EDT reply actions

Trading MSW?

If we actually did trade MSW it would in essence be calling it quits on this season already. We all saw what our receiving corp looked like without him last week. Even if he has had a history of injuries and had an off the field incident…we need him if we want to open up our passing game.

"I’m going to punish him. If he hits me, fine, but if I catch him, believe me, I’m going to get the better shot." - Fred Taylor

by kterr on Oct 18, 2009 9:34 AM EDT reply actions

Remember too, this is Florio were talking about. He has a history of adding 1+1 and getting 3

by Jonathan Loesche on Oct 18, 2009 9:35 AM EDT reply actions

PFT mentions the Ravens as possibilities for MSW

If MSW went to the Ravens….that would be a scary team for years. Flacco, MSW, and Ray Rice could become a monster

"I’m going to punish him. If he hits me, fine, but if I catch him, believe me, I’m going to get the better shot." - Fred Taylor

by kterr on Oct 18, 2009 9:39 AM EDT reply actions

Kansas City??

Rumor has it KC may be shopping Glen Dorsey & Dwayne Bowe, Possible deal involving picks and players(Groves/MSW). This is one we may get more value then given

by jagswinbig on Oct 18, 2009 9:44 AM EDT reply actions

too good to be truth

by Nikola R on Oct 18, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions

For Dwayne they'd want a 1st and a 5th, give or take

Dorsey, ehh. Enlighten me; Is he a DT or DE? I would trade Groves for him.

So most likely, I wouldn’t want anything that’s coming out of KC.

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by TheTealDeal on Oct 18, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions

I can honestly say

I would seriously reconsider my loyalty to the jaguars if they were to trade MSW. I don’t care what they got in return. He’s the first good receiver we’ve had in years.

by pksiv on Oct 18, 2009 9:54 AM EDT reply actions

Even if there is some fear

about how his knees will hold up it would be stupid to trade him right now. He was a third round pick two years a go. He has a small contract so there is no financial burden keeping him on the team this year, especially with how well he is performing. Garrard likes him and it is about time that he had a WR he can count on. As for Groves, well Governor Schwarztenager said it best. “Austa La Vista Baby!” Get what you can for him.

by JagSoldier on Oct 18, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions