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After following the team through the draft and preseason and now the first three games, I am forming some thoughts. Maybe you agree, maybe not.  I am interested in your comments, well most of your comments. Here are my ideas to date...

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The offensive line looked better against Houston than I thought they would.  A good offensive line allowed David to get comfortable and the receivers didn't look as mediocre. I don't know what is really happening but I trust Andy Heck, the Offensive line coach, and believe this is the true rebuilding needed. If the line forms as a unit, we are a minimum .500 team (maybe not this year but going forward it looks promising).

Speaking of the offensive line, where is Tra Thomas? After an absolute standout performance in training camp, where did he go? On the pass to Mike Sims-Walker to the one yard line, Mario Williams had beaten Tra and had a bead on David.  I am guessing Tra is limited somehow.  He was an eligible receiver on one play. Now that is interesting. Hope he is ok.

Quentin Groves seems to be finding his way to be useful faster than Derrick Harvey. Quentin seems to find a way to get into the play. Derrick hasn't found his way on to the stat sheet yet.  What a huge mistake trading the entire draft away for him was. Even if he develops, he won't match the performance of guys who could have been taken at 21 or 17 or whatever our draft position was.

We all love Derek Cox, but he is the reason we are worse on pass defense this year over last year.  Like it or not, Greg Williams did produce a defense that was decent, not great last year.  Derek Cox is someone we all believe will get better. When he does, this defense will become a top 10 defense. Until he does, we need the offensive line to improve to keep the defense off the field. Derek just seems to have all the talent and brains needed, so I look forward to him developing.

Speaking of Greg Williams, he is doing a standout performance in New Orleans. Wow, what a team they have. It is interesting they have the offensive fire power they have and Reggie Bush isn't mentioned.  I think Greg Williams is a good coach but it was wrong for Jack to hire him. Last year's chemistry issues were more coaches not getting along than player issues.  Jack should not have hired Greg. It wasn't a marriage that could last from the start.

Having said that, I think I like the new defensive philosophy of disguise. Are we a 3-4 defense or a 4-3 defense or are we two two two flavors in one?  I think the defensive strategy did a lot to keep Peyton Manning from scoring more points.  Something is going on in our defensive coaching that is new.  I don't think anyone understands it yet but it is interesting.

Having said that, I still think Ted Monochino is taking up a coaching spot without doing any coaching.  He might be the worst hire in Jack's career.

I know Jack Del Rio has a following in Jacksonville but I fail to see it. As a coach he might understand football, as a public figure, he doesn't have a clue how to work a fan base.  He comes across as either ignorant or arrogant when interviewed. His comments on not caring about the fans frustration and closing down the David Garrard radio program were media blunders on a top level.  I don't care if you think he is right or not, you don't call a guy three minutes before he goes on the air and "strongly suggest" he not do the program. In my opinion David came across as the more mature person.  Jack needs to show results on the field, he certainly isn't a Bobby Bowden with the masses.

I do like this team but I don't enjoy the home games like I used to. I remember coming just in time for a Monday Night game last year and the place was packed and full of excitement.  That feeling of a crowded stadium with everyone either cheering or holding their breath or even booing is part of the live game experience. An empty stadium doesn't have the same feel. It is still better to see the game live than on television. I don't care what anyone says about big screen HDTV, the stadium is the only way to really understand how the game went.

Looking around the league, the linebackers as a draft class are holding up real well. All of the teams who drafted linebackers in the first and second round are playing them and reaping benefits. The offensive linemen are not showing that same return on investment yet. Jason Smith and Andre Smith haven't found the field yet and Michael Oher isn't living up to first round status.  I don't think Eugene Monroe has gotten off to a good start either, but he is playing and developing.  We won't remember the first three games if his last 8 are fantastic. So does anyone think ESPN will apologize for suggesting Michael Crabtree should have been our draft choice? What a head case he turned out to be.

So are the Jaguars the best NFL team in Florida?  How much farther could the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have fallen?  Are they going to repeat their 0-16 season? So how does Byron Leftwich win the Quarterback battle and by game 4 end up as the third string emergency QB option? Did Gene steal Luke McCown from them?  I am beginning to think so.  I don't wish David any bad luck, but would love to see Luke play sometime this season.

I don't know if anyone is following this but Justin Durant is playing linebacker as well as anyone in the league right now.  He is tied for 8th in tackles. Interesting to note, so is Mike Peterson. Justin is a MLB and Mike Pete is an OLB.  Mike Pete and Justin Durant would make a great pair on the field together. Daryl Smith is no slouch either and we might have the makings of a pro-bowl group of linebackers right now. I know this, no one is making it to the corner running the ball anymore.

One last item. There is no one on this team I am happier to see than Torry Holt. He was an absolute outstanding free agent aquisision. He is changing the make up of this team in a very quiet way.  I can't wait to see Jarret Dillard play. He has been hugging Torry since camp and I think he has some football in him.

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agree with most of what you said

Cox is not THE reason our D is as bad as it is – if I were to point a finger at any one person – you already named him – The Invisible man himself, Mr Harvey hasn’t produced squat. The picks given away for him allowed the Ravens to get Flacco – anyone care to compare how that turned out. I knew Harvey was a mistake for the price we paid in draft picks – but I truely didn’t expect this crappy of a performance. If he continues on his current pace, he can also be lumped in as another Shack 1st round BUST! The lack of ANY kind of a pass rush is hurtuing this team much more than Cox’s inexperience at this point.

by OGN on Oct 3, 2009 8:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Point of clarification

Just to be clear – I am in no way saying that our defensive woes are due to one individual – they problems with our D run deep due to poor drafting and will take a couple of off seasons and new personnel to fix. The bad D play was not unexpected this season – to many holes on this team to fill in just one draft class.

by OGN on Oct 3, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A bit harsh

I agree that Harvey has not lived up to expectation for someone you traded up for. But, he has not exactly been invisible. He is playing solid…. unfortunately solid is not what you want for someone drafted this high. I try and keep an eye on him every game because we need him to perform so much, and I can tell you this: in every single game so far this season there have been at least 2 occasions when he would have flattened the QB if he was not being held. There has not been a single holding flag on any of these plays, and yet the hold is obvious watching the TV.

In short… we obviously expect more from him because of where he was drafted. But, he has played fairly well for the most part and at the very least he should have “earned” 4 or 5 holding penalties for us.

by KeithG on Oct 3, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

absolutely no disrespect inteded here

but you are watching a completely different game in some alternative universe if you think that Harvey is even remotely playing solid football.

by OGN on Oct 3, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not being harsh - I'm being honest

That doesn’t fly well with some on this site – but so be it – I call it like it is. How many people have called out Harvey due to his lack of production. I haven’t said a word about it this season until now – because I haven’t had to. He was brought in here to generate sacks and a pass rush – period. He hasn’t produced – period.

by OGN on Oct 3, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I sort of agree

He has not produced sacks, you are right. And as I said, he has NOT lived up to expectations. But, I ask you to re-watch all the games focusing on Harvey. I suspect you will see he has done a lot more than you think. You might land up visiting me on my alternative universe. Hell, just watch the first 3 plays of the colts game, and rewatch the Clint Ingram sack before Shaub got out the pocket – 2 damn good pressure from Harvey where he was held with no flag being thrown.

I’m not going to pretend Harvey is a really good player who is producing left right and center, but I’m also not going to act like he is an invisible man who is doing nothing. Neither is true.

by KeithG on Oct 3, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A small correction

Within the first 3 plays of the colts game Harvey had a pressure where he was about half a second away from a sack. The very next play he was in the backfield and being held. So, in those lpays I suggested you re-watch he had 3 good pressures, and was held twice where he was pressuring the QB.

by KeithG on Oct 3, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My final comment on this topic is this....

I ask a very serious question – do you feel his level of play is at a quality level to build the nucleaus of a good defensive unit? IF NOT – how long do we wait or to put it another way – how many more seasons of this type of effort should we tolerate before we look for a replacement?

by OGN on Oct 3, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure

I’m being comletely honest when I say that. If he continues to play at his current level, then NO. “solid” is not good enough to build a defensive unit around. But, I will give him until the end of the year before deciding. The guy is being moved around a lot : 4-3 DE, 3-4 DE, some 3-4 LB…. he needs a bit more time to develop before I call him a bust.

by KeithG on Oct 3, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

to be clear

I have not labeled him a bust yet either. I have always maintained that I expected him to get better this year, but he would never be a consistent impact player and I stand by those comments (made last year).

I do classify his overall play as poor and take issue with “solid” label – there simply has been no production. I’ver heard Lagerman mention this on more than one occasion and He’s right!

 I agree that he has been moved around this year and I do not think he is a 3-4 guy. I will also agree that IF his play has not improved by year’s end (i.e. we continue to get what we have gotten so far) then yes, find a replacement asap.

by OGN on Oct 3, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Note

Because I don’t live in the US I don’t get to watch any of these games live. I usually manage to get hold of a copy 3 or 4 days after the match, which means 2 things.

First, I already know the outcome and watch it differently (I don’t follow the ball so much as watch different players). Secondly, I’ve already read 500 MB threads talking about how Harvey did “nothing”. So, when my own eyes see Harvey doing things, it comes as a pleasant suprise and I can’t help but wonder what game everybody else watched. Maybe because I’m expecting “no production”, I over-react to actually seeing Harvey pressure the QB or get prevented from doing so by illegal holding.

Even so, I’m still disappointed in him. He has certainly done more than “nothing”, but I would like to see a lot more. Honestly, I’d hoped for a “dominant” DE…. and he certainly is not that. Still, he could turn out to be very decent. Let’s talk again at season’s end? It seems the most logical thing to do.

by KeithG on Oct 3, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think...

Tat part of the problem with Harvey is the stats that we, as “educated fantasy fans” expect to see. Yes, I agree that a top-10 end should have at least one sack every game or two. At least! However… consider the following: He held out through training camp last season. It took him weeks to look decent last year – way under expectations. And this year, unfortunately, we are changing the defense around. In the 3-4 there is no DE position that he fits into. He’ll play a LB-type role in those situations which could entitle coverage or rushing the passer. In those cases, less sacks are to be expected. So… last year, less sacks because of his own doing. This year, I say it is the system.

I agree, he must do better to not be labeled a “bust” – but I’d wait and see. Lets see if he works well once he learns his new place. Once he gets us to it.

by alwaysforgiven821 on Oct 3, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

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by JagsNguyen on Oct 3, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes and NO really

He definetely has rushed the passer, because I have seen several times him just barrely missing a sure fire sack, he’s just getting there late is all. However, I agree he is not producing to the level we all expected at this point too. He will improve, that much is certain though I’m not sure how much better he will become. The arrow is pointing up, but not by much IMO.

by keeftan on Oct 3, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would wait this upcoming game

to make points like this, but Ok Terry you made again very good points to start a talk.

Offensive line: They had a major test before them. Britton will not play most likely (Mo Williams although made a good job agains Houston, and Monroe was suffering yesterday from an Illness.) If they can protect David from a desperate team’s best defensive unit, then we are on the right track there. Tra Tjhomas might will see action tomorrow as well, so we can make pointshow good is he these days.

Groves: Yes, I saw that effect too, I hope harvey somehow will close up, but it is good at least 1 of the players Shack Harris traded up for is working. Derrick please show us that you worth your pretty big money tomorrow please!

Derek Cox: Tomorrow I will expect him to play solid, error free! The Titans has no WR like Fitzgerald, R Wayne, A: Johnson. She should took of the field Kenny Britt or Nate Washington, if he is really a legitimate CB oppose to Rashean.

Coaches: I not seen so much of the Saints team and D, to judge Williams. If he is fitting there good for him. I think Mel Tucker might be a better fit here, but He must show some goiod numbers in the next 3-4 games, because these upcoming opponents(Titans twice, Seahwks-although TJ. H will be tough to beat, and the Rams) have not so dangerous passing games. The Jaguars must be on the upper 20s after game 7 or I will have some concerns about him. Wew can agree, Monachino is a bust, I hope soon he will disappear.

Jack: In this radioshow, I’m on his side. On Friday you must focus on yourself and the Titans. If this show is on Thursday, there will be no issue, period! The fanbase quote was unlucky, but don’t be uspet because of that just yet. You go for the games to see the players play, not for the head coach!

Rookies: WellI start to regret all the things I wrot about Sanchez in the offseason. boy he is looking great(and the Jets D too…) Otherwise I don’t see so much impact from the rookies just yet, other then defensive players(specially linebackers). I think Knighton was a BIG steal if he can play like he played on the first 3 games (We need him big time tomorrow hope he is healthy).

Teams in Florida. Miaimi is good, but they have tough teams to oppose yet, Tampa in other way is garbage right now. I would Josh Freeman already. Sorry Byron, but you should stay in “Steelcity” as a backup…

Durant and the linebackers are the MOST UNDERRATED linebacker corp of the league. They would be stars in Dallas, or Ney York, instead I must over and over repeat at the Hungarian site too, that they are by far the best part of the Jaguars defense. And Terry, we should give Jack credit for that. I guess, he working with their little bit closer then the other part of the D.

I hope after tomoorow’s game my opinions will get better, although it will be a veeeeery tough game, and the Jags need to play 125% to win!

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by Zoltan from Budapest on Oct 3, 2009 8:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

She should took of the field Kenny Britt or Nate Washington

I mean He
Mistyping are with me, we are nemseis until I can rewrite my comments…

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by Zoltan from Budapest on Oct 3, 2009 8:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Best Team in Florida

That’s a sad state of affairs…Jacksonville is the best team in Florida (and we’ve only got one win).

by TheDudeM on Oct 3, 2009 8:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice post, Terry

Go Jags!

Vae Victis!

by viator on Oct 3, 2009 9:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree with most of this ,,,

But I still feel Reggie Nelson is more of a liability on D than Cox. Derek can’t count on Nelson doing the right thing behind him,a huge extra burden for a rookie.

The stadium experience isn’t what it used to be, that’s for sure. But it will be great again, and soon. We just need to start winning some home games. What are we, 2 and 7 over the last nine? Sometimes I think I’d be happy if the Jags went 8-8 every year as long as the 8 wins were at home.

by ruffdaddy on Oct 3, 2009 9:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It would help.

Winning at home has to be a priority. Either way, I’m there yelling until I’m hoarse…and likely burning in the unforgiving sun. It’s fun! Everyone should do it.

Vae Victis!

by viator on Oct 3, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think the weather report says

low 80s with a chance of it being overcast or at least partly cloudy.

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by TheTealDeal on Oct 3, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm starting to think

you can determine if people are going to show if you look @ the polls taken on the local news sites. If the city thinks we’ll lose, then they won’t show… people want to come see a win, not a loss… which is sad because people being there could help them win.

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by JagsNguyen on Oct 3, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reggie

is struggling badly.. I dont know what’s up with him.

by floridafalcons#63 on Oct 3, 2009 10:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

3-4 is our base now

the more you watch our games & see what type of people they’re bringing in each week, the more apparent it becomes. I like how JDR and the coaching staff has approached the switch in which he didn’t proclaim that the switch was going to be made @ the beginning of the year like Green Bay or Denver did. We all were still assuming it was going to be more 4-3 and just 3-4 in some situations until the first pre-season game was played. Now we’ve quietly become a 3-4 team, but people being a creature of habit are still stuck on our old ways with expectations stemming from how a 4-3 team plays because it was a part of the Jaguars’ mentality for the past 14 years.

I’m not saying I’m an expert in the 3-4… but I’m pretty sure that we may be looking at this defense the wrong way. I’m confused as to what people are expecting from Harvey… is he not playing well b/c he doesn’t have any sacks or because he’s not putting pressue on the QB? I was told we weren’t supposed to expect 3-4 DEs to be “Sack Monsters”… as it isn’t a position that gets many, but as to putting pressure… I have seen him 1-2 steps away from the QB many times & for a position that’s not supposed to be getting many sacks, he’s coming pretty close. I’m no apologist for Harvey by any way… don’t think he deserves as much critisim as he’s been getting when you talk about the defense’s woes and leave out Nelson. I really miss Donovin Darius… I’ll always remember him for that closeline tackle.

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by JagsNguyen on Oct 3, 2009 10:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

absolutely agree… Darius was always fun to watch when he put one of his monster hits on someone

Sean Jax Beach Bum

by cuffs007 on Oct 3, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he was one of the most fun to watch safeties then

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by TheTealDeal on Oct 3, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to mention this also....

Rashean Is the Thing at CB…….. for all of the people that thought he was a washed out CB…

The way he limited the players he has faced so far is great!!! Plus his ballhawk instincts are still there……….

And if there is a guy responsible for a bad secondary I don’t think its Cox, i would blame more Reggie Nelson who keeps falling into traps and getting constantly in places he shouldn’t be when playing coverage.

I’m not sure how much Nelson had to do with Greg Williams defensive scheme failure,, but i think it had a lot to do. Apparently SS and FS are very very important positions in Williams scheme, especially FS (No wonder Prioleau has followed Williams from the Bills to the Redskins to the Jags and to the Saints) and If you remember, you might picture Brian Williams and Reggie Nelson being constantly out of position in plays.
Williams required Nelson to be the QB of the Defense, and just hearing Nelson speak in any interview does not give me the confidence that he is capable of making all the reads and calls he was required to.
He has all the physical abilities but out of college its X and O’s the name of this game……………..

by jaxjags.. on Oct 3, 2009 8:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

But...

… that doesn’t make sense to what I know of Nelson. I am, of course, a Jags and Gators fan. Nelson was one of my favorite Florida players (I am a defensive guy) and I remember reading more than one article talking about him studying film and spending time with coaches more than any other defensive players. I don’t think that would change when transitioning to the pros.

Perhaps he simply lacks the leadership needed – that would make more sense to me than him not understanding the X’s and O’s.

by alwaysforgiven821 on Oct 4, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is my take on Reggie and Derrick

Lack of good coaching.

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by Tkopa on Oct 4, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Tucker

can’t change Reggie, then it is not coaching sadly…
In Harvey’s case, I would love to see him under a better D-line coach…

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by Zoltan from Budapest on Oct 4, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Point

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by Tkopa on Oct 4, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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