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Paul Kuharsky Reports on the Jaguars: Alexander promoted, Groves demoted

As I mentioned in my follow-up article to the game, I thought Gerald Alexander may have played well enough to wrest the SS spot from Sean Considine with last week's performance. Paul Kuharsky confirms it, saying that Gerald Alexander is listed as the new starting SS, and also mentioning Quentin Groves being demoted to third-string. The Groves demotion is a little baffling to me, as I would've expected him to be a better blitzing LB out of a 3-4, than a DPR from a 4-3. Unless this is a ploy to motivate Groves or to encourage Julius Williams, I don't understand it. 

It seems highly unlikely that one of Gene Smith's UDFA's is outperforming one of Shack's 2nd-round selections (the only ones he consistently hit on). Either J-Dub is playing out-of-this-world, or Groves is not improving fast enough. No matter the reason the move seems perplexing, and is worthy of noting and watching this week. 

Props to Gene Smith for his thieving ways. He virtually stole Gerald Alexander from the Lions, and Luke McCown from the Bucs, and he literally stole Don Carey from the Browns... I'll take a cold-hearted and deceptive leader any day of the week...

By the way, anyone catch Vic's shout out to my man Marty Schottenheimer in today's column?

-Collin Streetman

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I saw the move involving G. Alexander coming... the Groves demotion left me slightly baffled...

Just because I haven’t seen Julius Williams do anything of note in his opportunities on game-day either. We’ll see this Sunday though.

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by silencecs on Oct 7, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Julius is the starter?

"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
The Flavour of the Day is Turf. - Courtesy of the Jacksonville Jaguars
"As for me, Life goes on."-TheTealDeal

by TheTealDeal on Oct 7, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brian Smith

FA DE is better in Genes Opinion.

by Slvrgun on Oct 7, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank you, slvrgun… so Brian Smith is starting… Groves is 3rd string… and Julius is 2nd string (backup)… i just gotta get it straight in my noggin’ for some reason

Sean Jax Beach Bum

by cuffs007 on Oct 7, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can he play

Rush linebacker?

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Oct 7, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the record

It’s BRYAN Smith. Don’t mean to be pedantic, but that is his name. Apparently he had a very good 2nd half against the tits, and hence his promotion over Groves.

by KeithG on Oct 8, 2009 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is this really Gene's call ?

I would think the depth chart would be up to JDR and the coaches.

by pksiv on Oct 8, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I totally agree

that if he doesn’t improve Gene will replace him on the roster, but I’m pretty sure the selection of who plays and how much is up to Jack.

by pksiv on Oct 8, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Looking back

I think Shack had something in his coffee when Groves was drafted.

"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
The Flavour of the Day is Turf. - Courtesy of the Jacksonville Jaguars
"As for me, Life goes on."-TheTealDeal

by TheTealDeal on Oct 8, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Groves will be back

This is just the team sending a message to a player who needs to play with more focus and passion. It’s all about perfoprmance, about doing your job. Just ask Nate Hughes. My guess is that Groves will get it, and come back strong.

by ruffdaddy on Oct 7, 2009 6:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Paul Kuharsky did another thing today

selected Derek Cox as the biggest rookie surprise of the AFC South

"When the Jaguars traded the New England Patriots a second-round pick in 2010 and a 2009 seventh-rounder for the third-round selection they used to draft William & Mary cornerback Derek Cox, a lot of eyebrows were raised.

I’m not one to put too much stock into predraft publications, but Cox wasn’t in Pro Football Weekly’s draft guide and Mel Kiper had Cox as his 106th cornerback. One person in a decision-making position in the AFC gave me the standard line about which of Cox’s school namesakes the player more brought to mind (not William). I asked another about where his team had Cox rated; he indicated it was nowhere near that high.

All of them and anyone who suspected GM Gene Smith and his scouting staff had overreached can’t say much now. They have to admit early returns suggest they underestimated Cox.

He has been a solid starter for Jacksonville. His two picks lead all rookies, and the first one ended his first NFL series, a takeaway of a Peyton Manning pass aimed for Reggie Wayne. He’s also got a fumble recovery.
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 The Jaguars say he’s a ball hawk who got beat some early and has been very solid since. The job’s not too big for him. Cox is not intimidated by names, reputations or statistics. He’s humble, smart and quietly goes about his business.

If he keeps doing it like this, he’s the sort of selection who could come to define the Smith regime — in a good way.

Side note: The seventh round pick the Jaguars dealt away to New England as part of the package for the Cox pick was used by the Patriots on wide receiver Julian Edelman. Edelman is AFC East maestro Tim Graham’s selection for his division’s Rookie Surprise."

This draftclass is amazing, and Gene Smith slowly make me a real big beliver then something REAL BIG started this year!

Life without knowledge is death in disguise

by Zoltan from Budapest on Oct 7, 2009 7:08 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Hates Kiper -——————————————————————————→

by floridafalcons#63 on Oct 8, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He is

a jerk, who thinks he knows every player and what’s on every GM’s mind

Life without knowledge is death in disguise

by Zoltan from Budapest on Oct 8, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

He thinks he knows

what every GM “should” be thinking.

by Ewdtrey on Oct 8, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

This year i learned that

I like Mcshay better but its marginal. I rather make my own opinions about people based on the facts presented. Then i have a list of players I like and hope the Jaguars draft one. I.G. Dennis Dixon QB 7th round – Picked by Pittsburgh.

"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
The Flavour of the Day is Turf. - Courtesy of the Jacksonville Jaguars
"As for me, Life goes on."-TheTealDeal

by TheTealDeal on Oct 8, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

The past 3 years I have gotten more First round picks right then Kiper… ESPN needs to hire me.

by floridafalcons#63 on Oct 8, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha me too man

i’ll be your mcshay, just less of a prep

Seriously tho, i had about 12 or 13 1st rounders right. including DHB

LateRoundPick.com

by Surteal on Oct 10, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good stuff Zoltan

I just hope we can hang on to Gene.

by ruffdaddy on Oct 7, 2009 7:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow... somebody is having a bad day...

Oh well brother, I hope things get better for you soon.

I’m not going to turn this into a debate about why having a coach who averages 11 wins a season would be a good thing… Go ahead and worship you’re statue of Bowden, Mon frere.

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by silencecs on Oct 7, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd Assume

He isn’t worshiping a Bowden statue anymore…

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Oct 7, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

in the basement

"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
The Flavour of the Day is Turf. - Courtesy of the Jacksonville Jaguars
"As for me, Life goes on."-TheTealDeal

by TheTealDeal on Oct 8, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

By the way

the fact Harvey was downgraded to a guy who just came from the rams practice squad is a terrible sign for Quentin. It means if cannot start to play well, he will be not with this team next season (that’s what Jeff Lageman and Vic said on “Jaguars This Week”.
And by the way, Derrick Harvey must sack the QB this week. I mean the Saehawlks O-line is banged up like our O-line was last year. Seriously when sack the QB if not in these 2 upcoming games!!!!

Life without knowledge is death in disguise

by Zoltan from Budapest on Oct 7, 2009 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I heard Rams were pretty disappointed

in losing Bryan Smith, but did they really have that much depth to put him on the PS? Change of ownership may just be what they need. I wonder what Holt thinks…

In the face of adversity, what you do from then on dictates who you really are...

by JagsNguyen on Oct 8, 2009 8:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Oh & on Groves...

maybe if he was more focused on getting prepared for the game than updating his Twitter, we could see results. I swear I hear more about him Twittering than playing… Just look @ what happened to Garrard, after he gave up his radio show.

In the face of adversity, what you do from then on dictates who you really are...

by JagsNguyen on Oct 8, 2009 8:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

yeah from his tweets

he’s more interesting in his record company and music than football

by jlana24 on Oct 8, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on guys

how long does it really take to make a Twitter update? And how many good players have twitter? A lot. I think someone can breath not thinking about football 24/7 and still perform well on Sunday. As far as I can tell, I’d rather have him at home twittering than going out at night partying.

by Ewdtrey on Oct 8, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm curious what is Groves Major from Auburn?

"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
The Flavour of the Day is Turf. - Courtesy of the Jacksonville Jaguars
"As for me, Life goes on."-TheTealDeal

by TheTealDeal on Oct 8, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

sadly he’s done it to the point where I know him more for his Twittering than rushing the passer. It’s kinda to the point of obsessive… you can read his constant updates on Jacksonville.com as well it seems. That’s just my opinion though from what I’ve seen…

In the face of adversity, what you do from then on dictates who you really are...

by JagsNguyen on Oct 8, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thoughts on Groves

Kind of surprising he gets demoted 2 spots, I guess performance is evaluated on a week by week basis because I remember him making a few nice plays against Indy and a couple against Houston.

I think demoting him is partially based on performance but they might also be trying to foster competition to the point that we have several DEs or blitzing linebackers or whatever you want to call them who are talented enough to play on a regular basis.

The only job I had during my football career was to rush the passer and I can tell you that it’s one of the most tiring positions out there. Having two or three guys who can roll in would be a tremendous advantage for us.

Maybe we can make our DE’s function similarly to the Patriots RB corps. We’ll see Groves again very soon.

by rusty904 on Oct 8, 2009 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

RBBC

rush
backer
by
committee

LateRoundPick.com

by Surteal on Oct 10, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think

we are all missing out on one fact. The depth chart is listed as a 4-3 defense. Yeah he doesn’t really anywhere in a 4-3 defense, but I bet once we get into a 3-4 we will see plenty of him on the field.
Look at this team’s 43DE’s. They are all run stuffers, minus an arguable Derrick Harvey. Otherwise there is Ellison and Greg Peterson were both DT’s, and Julius Williams is a runstuffing DE that actually played a lot inside in college despite his lighter weight.

by Ewdtrey on Oct 8, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions  

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