The Return of the 4-3 Defense, Series by Series: Second-Half
In case you missed it, here's the first-half breakdown of the defense, play-by-play.
So far the Jaguars defense has been dominant, allowing only 30 yards rushing by KC's backs. The also held KC on third downs, forcing 3 three-and-outs in the first-half. Today, we'll take a look at the second-half and see if the Jaguars were able to continue to impose their will on KC's offense.
KC's first possession of 3rd quarter - Big kick by Scobee, great hangtime and coverage by the special teams. KC is stopped short of the 20 yard-line.
1st down - KC in offset I-formation, RB goes in motion. Line includes Harvey, Groves, Hen, and Pot Roast to start the half. At the hike, Durant and Smith both blitz, Durant from the middle, and Smith from Groves' side. Harvey drops off the line into zone coverage. It appears the Jaguars are utilizing some of the schemes from a 3-4, but operating them out of a 4-3, and to a great deal of success thus far (albeit against weaker competition). Smith gets a big time sack, loss of 4 on the play.
2nd down and 14 - KC in the offset I-formation again, a single TE and two WR's. Reggie Nelson comes up into the box prior to the snap, creating an 8-man front. Reggie's responsibility is the TE, I'm ok with that. The pass to the FB behind the line of scrimmage, tackle made by Daryl Smith immediately. Our LB's are playing well. Loss of three on the play.
3rd down 17 - KC is in the shotgun formation, single-back set. Great protection for Cassel, but he still threw it early for only a short gain. He gave up on that play because he was scared of getting hit. That pass was thrown knowing it wouldn't convert. Cassel is intimidated. Tackle made again by... guess... Daryl Smith. Wow, that series was completely his.
Three-and-out number four of the ball game. They came out with intensity.
KC's Second possession of the half.
1st down at their own 20 yard-line.
Bryan Smith is in for Groves, Stanley is in for Knighton. Harvey and Hen remain in the game. KC in the offset I-formation, I really love their commitment to old school football, it's a shame their offensive line is so lackluster. Play-action is called, Harvey beats his man, and Cassel throws a hurried screen to the HB that obviously didn't have time to fully develop due to the pressure. Stanley was utterly fooled by the screen though, and had he been in position, he would've made the easy tackle, however, he showed great hustle to try to get back into position to make the tackle, although he was unable to do so. Clint Ingram comes up, but slips and misses the tackle. Bryan Smith got absolutely owned on the play, and was a total non-factor, being knocked significantly off the line of scrimmage. Harvey makes a great hussle play and comes from behind the RB to assist on the tackle after providing pressure to Cassel. Gain of 8 yards.
2nd down and two. KC in the pro-set (2 RB lined up parallel in the backfield), 1 TE and 2 WR's. Derek Cox is up on the LOS, and looks ready to blitz. AMAZING play design by KC, props on this one. At the snap, the QB fakes the hand off to the RB on his right side, and the left RB acts as if he'll be the lead blocker, he then circles around on what can only be described as a mini-reverse. Ingram and Cox both blitz to Bryan Smith's side of the LOS and Harvey drops into zone coverage again. Great design that nets 7 yards, Daryl pushes the RB out of bounds. 1st down KC.
1st Down - KC in the shotgun, single back, 2 TE set. All front seven Jaguars are up close to the LOS. Blitz coming, Daryl Smith is up in Cassel's grill again, forcing the QB to scramble. Hen barely misses another sack, and Cassel throws the ball away, although the Jags catch a break and offensive pass-interference is called on Bowe.
1st and 20 - KC is in the pro-set, staggered to the weak-side of their line. Short three-step-drop by Cassel. Montavius Stanley recognizes the quick drop and gets his hands up, swatting the pass at the LOS. Stanley is very much impressing me this game, and I would have to say, he's showing that he belongs on the field. He plays with a great motor, which is saying a lot for a man his size. Great find Gene.
2nd and 20 - KC in the shotgun, single back, 1 TE and 3 WR set. Daryl Smith blitzes again, and comes free, forcing the quick pass, there is pressure all over the place today. The RB safety valve who Cassel dumps the ball to is immediately swallowed up by Gerald Alexander, no gain on the play.
3rd and 20 - KC in shotgun, single back, 4 WR set. Hen and Bryan run a stunt, to no avail. Harvey bull-rushes his man back five yards, but the ball is already coming out of Cassel's hand. Daryl Smith blitzes again, this time from Harvey's side, and the two of them look real good rushing alongside one another. Pass complete over the middle, Reggie Nelson whiffs on a tackle, and badly. Had it been third-and-10, he would've just allowed a third down conversion. Now this is the Reggie I've come to expect, soft and confused. I love the guy, got his autograph and everything, but man is he inconsistent. Reggie slams his hands together after the play, clearly upset with himself. Reggie, A whole sack of sorry won't buy one single punt. The Jags hold again.
KC third possession of the half
1st and 10 - KC in the pro-set, RB motions out of the backfield, single back set now. Defensive line is Julius Williams, Pot Roast, Ellison, and Groves. Mathis CB blitz on the play, from Williams' side. Daryl blitzes from Williams' side too. No linemen drop into coverage, the Jags are rushing more than the Chiefs can block. Daryl Smith and Mathis both have the opportunity to make the tackle for a loss against the RB, but Mathis seems to think Smith will make it, and Smith took a bad angle, providing the RB with a cutback lane which was open because Mathis and Smith were blitzing, leaving their lanes exposed. KC's best run of the game, but it should've been stopped for a loss, Mel Tucker had the right call there. Gerald Alexander makes the stop after a gain of 13.
1st and 10 - KC in the hurry-up offense. Shotgun 3 WR set. Jaguars only have 6 in the box, looks like Nickel defense to me, practically inviting the run. The Chiefs oblige, and run from the shotgun for a gain of 5, tackle by Durant. They ran right at Groves, and I mean right at him. Knighton held up the double team and still almost made the tackle, but the run was so far toward the LT that Knighton missed the RB's ankles. Groves was easily moved aside... I'm noticing a theme here. Reggie Nelson was completely locked up by the WR, and had he been able to shed what wasn't even a very good block, he could've made the tackle a few yards earlier. 5 yard gain
2nd and 5 - KC is in the shotgun, Jaguars remain in their Nickel front, only 6 in the box again. Reggie is lined up in the slot on a WR and blitzes, as does Daryl Smith. Groves drops into Zone coverage, the Jaguars are utilizing a fair amount of zone-blitzing schemes, and it seems to be confusing KC's protection. Daryl Smith actually gets a hand on Cassel, and forces an early and errant throw. Incomplete overthrown. Reggie Nelson was easily blocked by the RB, and seemed to almost give up after the initial block was thrown by the RB. I'm not TRYING to get down on the guy, you'll see from the first half analysis, that I was impressed with how he played, however, this half is a different story, and he's looking very mediocre.
3rd and 5 - KC in the shotgun again (and still can't get Cassel time), 4 WR, single back. Jags still in nickel, Daryl Smith blitzes again. Decent protection on that play, complete for a first down and a gain of 13. Tackle by Derek Cox, although Rashean was the man who was beat, he just couldn't make the tackle with only one hand, so Bowe got an extra 7 or 8 YAC. Cox just makes sure tackles, I love this kid.
1st and 10 - KC in the shotgun, 3 WR 1 TE, single back set. Jacksonville remains in Nickel, meaning no Ingram, and Sean Considine instead. Harvey, Hen, Stanley, and Bryan Smith on the d-line. Bad snap (gotta love that shotgun), and Montavius Stanley looks like a man possessed going for that football. It was like someone told him they were giving out twinkies in the backfield. This looked like a Jaguars' recovery to me, although the officials saw it differently. Wow, on the replay, it showed their RB literally snatch it out of Stanley's hands... strong little guy.
2nd and 14 - Jags remain in Nickel, KC in shotgun. Daryl Smith blitzes, Harvey drops into zone coverage. Bryan Smith comes unblocked and delivers a blow to Cassel, who launches the ball out of bounds. Phenomenal pressure today.
3rd and 14 - Jags in Nickel, KC in shotgun. Jags bring an all out blitz, I like Mel's play-calling style. Sometimes he sits back in coverage, and others he's all about pressure. Mix it up. Durant and Considine both blitz on the play. Durant and Bryan Smith both get to the QB. Durant timed his blitz perfectly up the middle, and Bryan ran a stunt up the gut behind Justin, they both got there about the same time and forced the bad pass early. Gain of 4 on the play, tackle by Daryl Smith.
KC's fourth possession of the Half
1st and 10 from their own 25 yard-line - KC is in the I-formation, Jaguars return to their regular defensive front with Ingram in the game. Harvey, Groves, Pot Roast and Hen are your linemen. Smith and Durant blitz, and Harvey drops into Zone coverage. The double-team went to Knighton on that play, and Hen was able to stand up the offensive guard with one arm, and reach to make the tackle with the other, along with Ingram and Nelson. Gain of four on the play, nice run.
2nd and six, KC is in the I-formation again. Smith and Alexander blitz to Harvey's side, Groves drops into Zone coverage. Mel seems to favor overloading one side or the other on blitzes. Harvery had his best pass rush of the half on that play. He easily beat his man, and arrived at the QB the same time that Hen did, which was almost immediately. Harvey got a hand on Cassel, and Hen came barreling in, Cassel ducks, and Hen crashes into Harvey, knocking both down. Pot Roast and Smith combine on the clean-up sack, but Harvey and Hen caused that sack very clearly, and Harvey would've gotten the sack had Hen not slammed into him. Encouraging play to watch. Interesting tid-bit per the announcers, Knighton used to play WR... No wonder his balance is so exceptional. Loss of 8 on the sack.
3rd and 14 - Jags appear to be in 3-4 Nickel, KC is in the shotgun, single back 3 WR. Considine blitzes from a dead standstill at the safety position, he was too far off the line to even have a chance to get there, and he doesn't have great speed either, I don't like the call. Nelson blitzes too. KC easily picks up every rusher, Cassel had a man, but overthrew him. Fourth-down.
Nice three and out team.
KC fifth possession of the half
1st and 10 from their own 29 yard-line - Jaguars in Nickel 4-3 defense. KC in shotgun 3 WR set, single back. Your line is Julius Williams, Bryan Smith, Montavius Stanley, and Hen. Daryl Smith blitzes on the play, Bryan Smith drops into Zone coverage. Cassel throws a perfect pass to the WR on a short out pattern, and he drops it.
2nd and 10 - KC in shotgun single back set. Jags in Nickel. Durant fakes the blitz, and Daryl Smith and Nelson blitz to J. Williams side, Bryan Smith drops into Zone again. Cassel passes over the middle complete, and Durant makes the instant tackle. Gain of nine.
3rd and 1 - KC is in the shotgun, single back 4 WR, trips right. Jags in Nickel. Daryl Smith and Sean Considine blitz, there will be no prevent defense today. No linemen drop into zone, it was an overload blitz. Cassel throws a prayer to Dwayne Bowe, who makes the catch despite Derek Cox having perfect position, and I mean perfect. Had he known the ball was thrown, he would've made the interception. It was an all around great play by KC's best player, Bowe. First down KC. Lucky.
1st and 10 from Jags' 45 yard-line - KC in shotgun, 4 WR, trips right again. Jaguars in Nickel. Daryl Smith blitzes, Julius Williams drops into zone, and Hen and Bryan Smith both make it to Cassel, who is thrown to the ground had by B. Smith. Incomplete, and great pressure.
2nd and 10 - KC in shotgun , 3 WR 1 TE, single back set. Jaguars in Nickel. D. Smith blitzes from the outside, Bryan Smith's side. Henderson collapses the middle and gets a sack. D. Smith was blatently held by the RB, or he may have made the sack, no flag, but it was an obvious hold. Hen with the sack, loss of 9 on the play.
3rd and 19 - KC in the I-formation. Jaguars in the 3-4, with Harvey, Knighton, and I think Ellison, but couldn't tell because of the camera angle. Reggie Nelson and Gerald Alexander both blitz, and the Jaguars get burned deep by Chris Chambers. That's what happens when you blitz your safety and he doesn't get home. Sean Considine was badly beaten on his coverage. TD that should never have happened.
KC sixth possession of the half
Onside kick recovered by KC.
1st and 10 from KC's 31 yard-line. Jaguars in the 4-3 Nickel. KC in the shotgun, single back, 3 WR set. Daryl Smith blitzes again (notice a trend here?), good protection though. Cassel makes a good throw, and Cox makes what looks like a TD saving shoe-string tackle. Reggie Nelson was out of position, and had Cox not made the tackle, KC's WR may have been off to the races.
1st and 10 - KC in the shotgun, Jacksonville in Nickel. Nelson blitzes and gets to Cassel, he hits him hard and forces the bad pass, somehow Dwayne Bowe just came up with it... I have no idea how he adjusted to that pass so seamlessly. This guy is good, and Derek Cox was in position again. Cox rarely gets beaten badly, I can't praise him enough for how he's played this season.
1st and 10 from Jaguars' 20 - KC in the shotgun, 2 RB and 3 WR set. Jaguars in base defense, Harvey, Hen, Groves, and Pot Roast are your linemen. Four man rush is easily picked up by KC, Cassel has a man in the endzone, but Cox jumps up and knocks the pass away with his fingertips. TD saving play, and phenomenal ups by Cox.
2nd and 10 - Jags in Nickel, KC in shotgun, 2 RB and 3 WR set, it's obvious KC is running max-protect with the dual blocking HBs. Cox and Smith blitz, Harvey drops into zone. D. Smith flattens the FB on his way to the QB. Hen and Smith both provide pressure and Cassel throws it away.
3rd and 10 - Jags in Nickel, KC in shotgun single back. Jaguars rush four. Harvey is double-teamed on that play. Illegal use of hands by Cox, automatic first down.
1st and 10 from the Jaguars 15 - Jaguars in the 3-4, KC in the shotgun, single back. Harvey is double-teamed again, and Groves rushes with his hand off the ground. Daryl Smith blitzes as well. Slant pass, gain of two. Tackle by Reggie Nelson.
2nd and 8 - Cassel throws a fade pattern to Bowe, and Cox couldn't have played it any better. He was in position to snag the game-ending interception, when Reggie burst in and swatted the ball away. Cox is every bit as good as Rashean was his rookie year, and that bodes well for our future at the postion.
3rd and 8 - KC in shotgun, single back, 4 WRs, trips left. Jags in Nickel. Groves best rush of the half, he almost got to Cassel on a pure speed rush to the outside. Gerald Alexander and another LB blitz (not D. Smith). Complete pass, first down and goal.
1st and goal from the 5 - Jaguars in base defense, KC in the I-formation, motioning into the wishbone. Wow, there's a formation I haven't seen in awhile, I like it though. KC runs play action, and it is effective at freezing the LB's who, like me, were anticipating run out of that formation. Cassel rolls out and hits his man in the front corner of the endzone. TD KC. I Love some of the formations KC employs...
That would be the last time KC would touch the football. Jaguars win, and dominate for 56 minutes on defense.
NOTES:
Harvey played absolutely fantastic, and in this reporters opinion, is shaping up to be the best first round DE taken in 2008. He's stout against the run, and easily plays the most snaps of any defensive lineman on the Jags. I was very impressed with him in the first half especially. He seemed to face more double-teams and chip blocks in the second-half, perhaps to combat his effectiveness.
Daryl Smith is Mel's new favorite toy. He blitzes more often than not, and seems to have a knack for creating havoc in the back-field. Cox was flat out the best player in the secondary today, and had we taken him in the first round, I wouldn't complain. I discovered Pot Roast used to be a WR, which explains his great balance, and he's clearly the team's future at DT. Henderson is playing like it's 2006, and seems rejuvenated by Knighton's presence. Smith and Durant are clearly a step above Clint Ingram, and "Country" had an average game against KC.
Montavius Stanley is our clear number three DT, and there is very little drop-off when he comes in to spell Hen or Knighton. Stanley gets his hands up to bat balls, and has a great motor. He's stout against the run, and I'll be anxious to see him perform against a better offensive line when we play the Jets.
-Collin Streetman
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Whew! :)
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by silencecs on Nov 11, 2009 12:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Fantastic job, Collin!
I hereby appoint you “the dude who does this for every game”.
I’m quite liking the way Mel Tucker keeps the offense guessing, and I’m liking the way the D-line is starting to play. Hopefully, as the season progresses all the D-men will become more accustomed to this style of play and get more and more effective.
A question: I notice on the NFL stats sheet that Harvey does not appear for a single tackle, but you noticed a few tackles by him. How does that work?
by KeithG on Nov 11, 2009 1:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm.. indeed... He definitely assisted on at least three tackles that I can remember.
I’m not sure who the credit went to though, that is interesting to note, I’m actually not sure why he wouldn’t be on the stat sheet. On many of the plays he was involved in, there were other Jags in on the tackles, so maybe he didn’t receive the credit he deserved. I can absolutely assure you though, the eyes don’t lie, and he was without question an impact player on the defensive line. When the offense starts double-teaming Harvey with the Guard and Tackle, leaving our DT’s one-on-one, you know he’s causing trouble.
Everything was documented exactly as it was seen, and every play was watched at least 3 times to focus on different individuals, as you can tell, I was absurdly detailed. Harvey was absolutely a force in the run game and pass rush, especially in the first half. Stat sheet or not, I was thoroughly impressed.
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by silencecs on Nov 11, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe you!
The only reason I even brought it up is that the Jags.com MB is full of “Harvey haters” who used his not showing up on the stats sheet as “proof” of how ineffective he is.
Personally, I think he has played very well indeed, except for not getting any sacks (and the haters claim that is the ONLY thing he is expected to do).
by KeithG on Nov 11, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do me a favor then... post a link to this over there, I do my best to avoid the JMB, and maybe this will educate them a bit as to the nuances of the defense and Harvey's impact thus far.
I’d say he drops into zone about 15%-20% of the time as well, and each of those is a down he isn’t rushing the passer, but fulfilling a different role. He’s definitely not disappointing in the run game, as he clearly is stout in stopping the run.
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by silencecs on Nov 11, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You see Harvey lost his job to a practice squad player?
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by Jonathan Loesche on Nov 11, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not true
That was another “hater” getting hopeful :)
It’s the LDE (Groves) who is losing out.
by KeithG on Nov 11, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Correction
The RDE (Groves) is losing out, the LDE (Harvey) is still starting
by KeithG on Nov 11, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Still, we're now counting on a practice squad player to be the hope of the Jags pass rush. Are the coaches quitting on him already?
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by Jonathan Loesche on Nov 11, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So your point is that groves was demoted... big surprise... he is weak against the run, and we're facing a run-heavy team.
I guarantee you, Harvey didn’t lose his starting job. Not after the game I just saw. sorry my man…
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by silencecs on Nov 11, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I expect it's
… a case of hoping that the new guy is better than Groves against the run.
by KeithG on Nov 11, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So actually, you just proved how right on I was. I said in the first half thread that there was evidently a position battle going on between Groves and Smith, as they were rotating them.
Both had their moments, and neither was overly impressive in my opinion, especially against the run.
So, what I saw as a battle for the starting DE spot between Groves and Smith, was just that, and Smith won out. Lets hope his next game is better than his last, because being a step above Groves, is like being a step above mediocrity.
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by silencecs on Nov 11, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Some weeks
Bryan and Groves are going to be good players, and some weeks they are going to be huge liabilities. I expect the second option to be true often than not. However I think Bryan is slightly better at pass rushing. He’s easily got the best first step of anyone on the line. Groves has a better second gear and even though he didn’t have a good game against KC with his physicality, I think he is still more physical than Bryan overall. When he knows what his assignment is he can actually stack and shed with the best of them. The key for him is to recognize when to do what. He just doesn’t have the size to anchor in the run game without preparing for it. But he has wiring strength. Bryan is more limber and finesse like.
by Ewdtrey on Nov 12, 2009 1:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This should be good
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by Jonathan Loesche on Nov 11, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
gracious amigo.
Molōn labe!
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by silencecs on Nov 11, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Like being in the film room
We may not get 8 wins this year, but give Gene another year of reloading and we are moving up.
Thank you Collin. Makes me feel lazy for simply enjoying the game.
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by Tkopa on Nov 11, 2009 1:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
haha... honestly, I feel like I learned more about our defensive players and how they handle differing assignments doing this than I have anything else.
It’s so enlightening to watch a player in a number of situations, dropping into zone, blitzing the QB, bull-rushing, speed-rushing, focusing on tackling, angles taken, our propensity to overload blitz, everything. You notice so much when you watch everything multiple times. I think my TIVO bout overheated.
It was a great opportunity to watch our defensive line and LB’s especially. My concern is that Henderson seems to play to a different level for home games, and this week, we’re in NY.
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by silencecs on Nov 11, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish more people
would watch the film as intently as you obviously did. I would have fewer arguments with people, because the film tells all. I think more people would also realize just how good the coaches in this league are(Or at least on this team).
by Ewdtrey on Nov 12, 2009 2:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
always makes me laugh when fans are so adamant about how this play or that player should be starting instead of player X. Especially when few fans take nearly the time Collin has in evaluating performance while you know coaching staff does this each and every week on top of seeing these guys in practice.
Even bad coaches know more than the 99% of fans. I guess many of us think we’re in that 1%
by pksiv on Nov 12, 2009 7:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
and the nuances of the passing game are so great I can’t even begin to explain all of them without having a projector and laser pointer at my disposal; even then I really don’t see them all. But I can see the ingenuity behind the offense.
by Ewdtrey on Nov 12, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec and Tweet for you sir
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by Jonathan Loesche on Nov 11, 2009 1:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This is awesome, once again. I love this feature of breaking down the defense and how things are going. I know this takes up a ton of your time, I really appreciate you doing this. Great stuff.
I’d love to see a breakdown on the rookies along the offensive line one day in this vein, just how they hold up and what they do for an important series, a half, or something like that. It’s so informative for player development.
by Jim09 on Nov 11, 2009 1:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jim, Mon frere, ask and you shall receive...
Next game I’ll try to do at least one half of the offensive line play, that sounds really interesting to me as well.
I learned a ton about the defense, and I’m kind of an o-line guy myself. I love trench warfare and running the ball offensively, or stopping it defensively. Look for it next week.
-C
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by silencecs on Nov 11, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Boy that could get
pretty ugly when playing the blitz heavy Jets who have been getting to the opposing QB recently.
by Ewdtrey on Nov 12, 2009 1:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Looking forward to that work too Collin
I can’t wait to see my team on TV on Sunday
I just fear about the outcome (your 9-6 Jags win predicition is not bold it is almost insanew-but I would take it right now!!!!)
And call please JTW more often in the future! We need fans like you; Leopold; and not crybabies…
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Nov 12, 2009 1:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"A whole sack of sorry won't buy one single punt."
A brilliant line Collin, worthy of Tennessee Williams.
Thanks for the amazing effort, extremely enlightening.
by ruffdaddy on Nov 11, 2009 2:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
wow... Perhaps the best compliment I've ever received on this site... to be compared to Tennessee Williams... haha
I love that our site has such a well educated fan-base. Any other football site would’ve thought you were referencing a Titans player, lol… Our readers amaze me. Thanks for the very kind compliment.
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by silencecs on Nov 11, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rec this 5 times if I could
I also wish I could go back in time and undraft Groves. He didn’t have a position when he was drafted, and he doesn’t have a position now either. Pushed by a practice squad player…… ouch.
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by MoveThoseChains on Nov 11, 2009 3:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
To be honest, I only saw flashes from either player. Neither stood out whatsoever
And both seem to be a liability in the run. Maybe Bryan has been more impressive in practice, but neither seemed like the answer, so don’t look for anything special out of B. Smith this weekend. In fact, I expect he’ll be dominated in much the same fashion Groves was. However, I do think B. smith has a different level of explosiveness off the line than Groves. Bryan is a pure speed rusher, and would be relegated to DPR if we had another true 4-3 DE.
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by silencecs on Nov 11, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Looking back over the notes, Smith definitely had more QB pressures than Groves, which is likely why he gained the starting spot.
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by silencecs on Nov 11, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've never enjoyed the role of DPR
The offense knows what’s coming. Or they can run a no-huddle and prevent the defense from substituting. Shack loved taking DPRs in the later rounds, and exactly zero of those are still on the team. You know it’s bad when even a team as bad as the Chiefs starts salivating whenever they see a DPR (Groves or Smith) lining up. It’s like a bullseye for where the play is going to go.
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by MoveThoseChains on Nov 11, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great points. A if we had two true every down DE's we wouldn't even utilize a DPR. Teams without the personnel to pressure the QB with their normal DE's, bring in DPR's in Nickel, typically.
Now we’ve got one starting every down… hello porous run defense!
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by silencecs on Nov 11, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, notice the number of times we blitz to groves or B. Smith's side, it's substantially more than Harvey's side.
Mel knows that they aren’t strong against the run, and gets them all the help he can in the form of blitzes to their side. Overcompensation that other (read:better) teams may exploit.
The Jets will run you over either way, they just do that.
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by silencecs on Nov 11, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Against the run heavy Jets
I would think about even playing Williams at LDE and Harvey at RDE to start the game, or at least on run downs. And because Sanchez holds on to the ball a little more than our past opposing QB’s, Williams’ motor may be exactly what the doctor ordered.
by Ewdtrey on Nov 12, 2009 2:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there anyway you can take this game for Harvey...
and compare the number of times he rushes the passer vs. drops back to the number of times say a premire pass rusher like Jarred Allen does the same in his last game. I guess it’s different because Allen is the RDE on his team and Harvey is the LDE on our team but I think it will still show people that Harvey is getting a lot less opportunities. In no way am I saying Harvey is even near Allen…I’m just curious.
by mattlovesthejags on Nov 11, 2009 5:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Matt, go for it my friend. Anytime Harvey dropped into zone, I noted it.
I would say it’s about 15% of the time. Guys like Jared Allen will virtually never drop into zone, they’re too dominant rushing the passer. Jared Allen is the type of guy who can take a game over, regardless of his opponent. Harvey is not that, by any stretch.
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by silencecs on Nov 11, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I agree
as for the LDE vs RDE thing, Harvey would be dropping back regardless of what side he is on. I think he usually is a factor there. He may not get a hand on a ball every time, but his length sure seems to make the field seem a little smaller. Him dropping back may also be retort to all the checking down opposing offenses have done to our D. Check out this stat which I haven’t looked up yet, but I expect it to be slightly surprising to most. Here it is: we are 26 in passing yards given up, but we are only giving up an ave of 7.01 yds/att which puts us at 18th in the league. It means as much as we think we are getting beat deep, it’s really not so bad. Not to mention, this could help explain why we struggle so much getting to the QB. Well if he keeps checking it down that’s going to happen.
by Ewdtrey on Nov 12, 2009 1:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The three and outs are improving
and a strong offensive line will help reduce the passing yards per game given up. Give them less plays, keep the ball longer and the yards come down.
The tackling has improved, or is getting better.
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by Tkopa on Nov 12, 2009 4:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just heard
you were on “Jaguars This Week”. Very impressive questions Collin.
By the way Jeff Lageman it seems not sharing your views about Harvey played very good. Good was the Bryan Smith observation; but I think he just an experiment; because almost nothing work if we speak about the pass rush. Notw it’s his time; but I wanna see Greg Peterson-and what he can do. (But if Smith can put some pressure on the Qbs; then I’M ok with him)
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Nov 11, 2009 6:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Byran Smith is being played
to get at Quentin Groves
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by Tkopa on Nov 11, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You may be right... he's certainly not the answer long-term
And Groves has more potential
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by silencecs on Nov 11, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In the 4-3
I agree. In a 3-4 I think Bryan has a little more upside with the better first step, size combo and better hips.
by Ewdtrey on Nov 12, 2009 2:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs



















