Clint Ingram: A rusty cog that needs changing

by silencecs on Nov 19, 2009 12:54 AM EST in Post Game Comment 29 comments

Clint "Country" Ingram, the Jaguars' LB known for devastating hits, had this to say about the team's defense.

"We need to match them, it's obvious."

No, Clint, what's obvious is that you need to match them.

Attention to the linebacker formerly known as Clint Ingram: You should be a well-oiled, hard-firing piston for the defense. Instead, you've been a rusty cog that has hardly lived up to expectations. I don't blame you for playing poorly in that infernal 3-4 scheme, you clearly aren't built for that kind of game-plan. However, last Sunday's game against the Jets was inexcusable. Let's review a few plays that led to the Jets continuing their second drive (After the int).

Few plays into the drive, 1st and 10 on Jacksonville's 25 yard-line. Clint is lined up on the line of scrimmage, the Jets in an I formation. Knighton and Henderson are both easily blocked, Pot Roast is spun around, but Clint is left un accounted for off the edge. He misses the tackle.

Next play, 2nd and 5 Jacksonville's 20 yard-line. Jag's in zone, throw to the Slot in the flat at the 19, Clint comes running into the view of the camera and... stops?!? Seriously, he stops in his tracks and waits for the ball-carrier to come to him, allowing the first down. That's entirely on you Clint, and there is no excuse (part of the reason Mr. Allen took your place for a while starting the next drive).

Poor play in the 4-3 defensive scheme is not what we expect from you. You've been part of the reason our run defense has been successful, and you were fair against the pass coming out of college. Neither has been the case this season, and the latter hasen't been the case since your second-year. Either your speed has altogether faltered, or you're over-thinking plays. I'm hoping it's just because you have been forced to learn so many defensive alignments and responsibilities as the Jaguars continue their yearly defensive coordinator carousal.

I know you realize you played far and away your worst game of the season Sunday, and it was only compounded by the fact that it was predominantly in the 4-3 defensive front, which suits your style and build. The hesitation has got to stop. You can have only one mind-set... No, not win... Never win... Only kill. That's it. Kill.

Stay quiet, or call out your own abhorrent play.

Since you did neither, We're calling you out, you impostor. Whatever you've done with Clint Ingram, we want him back playing LB this week in Duval. We've got a game Sunday, just in case it wasn't on your calendar.

Sincerely,

The 46,000 Fans Attending Sunday's Game.

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Believe it or not

he actually had a worse game in our loss to the Titans. On the upside, he was playing better after being replaced by Allen for a while. Maybe that will serve as his wake up call. And from watching him a lot over the last couple years I wouldn’t doubt that he has some kind of injury that’s making him not play like himself. And like you said the scheme changes probably have something to do with it too.
Another weakness I’ve come across is Ellison, in the run game in particular.

by Ewdtrey on Nov 19, 2009 2:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I hope he will response your "call out"

as Big John (once lazy) Henderson did in the summer. Clint need to step up this week. Durant might be out too(he had a head injury yestareday; and not practiced.
Clint you are on your contract year. You showed up at the past that you are a good LB. We need to see the flashes again!!!

Collin; I hope that 46000 will be around 50000+. I know (specially Vic thinks that) that this is still embeassing. What else the people want from this team? Superbowl appareance in the rebuilding year??? I hope the Jags can blow out he Bills (more on that later); somehow win in Frisco; and on the last 3 games we might have near soldout attendence.

Life without knowledge is death in disguise

by Zoltan from Budapest on Nov 19, 2009 5:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I love Vic and his work as a Journalist

However, he’s starting to annoy me right now because every week he’s ranting about the ticket sales issue. He’s ranting to his listeners on his show who are likely season ticket holders so his goal isn’t being accomplish by chastising his audience. We is still a young team in a young market and that takes time to developed that kind of tradition. We as a city has to learn how to be committed fans but the Jaguars organization has to learn how to make better decision so our fan-base won’t have apathy for them. Look, i’m not trying to make excuses and everyone who listens to any Jaguar’s show heard of me and my passion for the team by now. However, these we’re my reason of our current ticket sales problems for the Jacksonville Jaguars.

4. Reason why we are in this position is the marketing by the Jaguars organization. I just don’t understand why Wayne Weaver didn’t hold training camp at Orlando at any point during our tenure as a franchise. In addition, i don’t get why players don’t go to places like Tallahassee, Orlando, and Daytona to do autograph sessions to help promote the team. We’re the least popular team in the league and part of the reason why is because this team don’t do much to promote the brand in a positive way. They should be more aggressive in promoting the team and finding creative ways to convince our fans to believe in them. In other words, they need to create a better connection between the fan and themselves.

#3. Reason why i think the Jags are in this situation is bad timing. I’m not just talking about the economy although our unemployment rate is 11 percent and the State of Florida has the highest foreclosure rate in the U.S. I’m talking about the Florida Gators are down the road and unfortunately, they are on a successful run that was nonexistent during the 70’s and 80’s. Before we have gotten the Jaguars, 70 to 80 percents of people in this town was Florida Gator fans because that was closest we had to a professional football team. So some people in this town hold this team to the Florida Gators standards and when this team isn’t as successful as them during certain years it’s like a turn off to some of the people in this town who still holds the gators #1 in their hearts. Some people in this town also loves the Gators more than the Jags because of the perception of the colleges athletes being pure, gimmick offense and they’re playing for the love of the game. On the other hand, the Jags perception to some people around here are spoil millionaires, divas, and thugs which i think it’s unfair to use those types of stereotypes towards the team.

#2. Reason why i think the Jags are in this situation is the fans themselves. We’re not blameless although some of us are doing our parts but others in this city are spoil, impatient, and have unrealistic expectation for this team every year. It don’t helped that in our division the colts always winning the division and going to the playoffs and people in this city wants the same success for this team. People in this city wants to associated with winners and i think some people around here has to be realistic with the fact that we aren’t going to have a winning record every year. We need more loyal fans in this city and not people who flip flop because it’s not helping this team long term.

#1. Reason why i think the jags are in this situation is the Jags management. Personally, i’m tired of the people in this city taking the negative hits when since 1999, we had 2 playoff appearance in 10 years and 1 playoff win. It also doesn’t help that at times this team plays unprepared and uninspired at times to the point that just when the jags gets a little momentum going and people wants to jump back on the bandwagon, they lose to an inferior team and therefore, they get pissed off. In addition, during the Shack Harris era, not only we draft and brought in free agent bust but also some of those players have given this city a negative image by using bad judgment and therefore, put a bad taste in some people’s mouth. Nevertheless, there isn’t anyone on this team besides MJD who becoming a big star, don’t have nationwide star power right now that would command the dollars of blue-collar town. We don’t have a Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Larry Fitzgerald, Ray Lewis, or Drew Brees who would command a must see in person persona about them. We don’t have someone who dominates ESPN headlines in a good way nor command the attention where they need to be on national T.V. aka Brett Farve. In addition, except for the Tennessee and Houston game this year, this offense hasn’t been exciting and joyful to watch so therefore, some of those same people would rather spend their money elsewhere instead of on this team.

I’m sorry for my explanation being so long but i had to give you reason from my point of view. You might disagree or poke holes in my argument but i’m giving you my reason base on my observation of the relationship between the team and the city of Jacksonville.

My point is like the Jags has to rebuild their team we have to rebuild this fan-base and create the love affair that has been missing from this city. I’m not trying to make excuses but IMO theses are the reasons from my point of view. I’m a Jag fan win, lose, or draw because i love them unconditionally but not many people in this city has my passion so therefore this city has to create way for the team to thrive in this market.

by leopold332002 on Nov 19, 2009 6:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Your # 1 and # 2 reasons are sort of contradictory.

You call out the fans for not sticking with the team through thick and thin, then turn around and rag on the team for only being in the playoffs twice in ten years and winning one of those games. I am a Lions fan. I would kill to return to the good old days of the nineties when we made the playoffs every other year, only won one playoff game but at least were competitive on a regular basis.

The Jags have MJD who will soon be recognized as the best running back in the league. He is already one of the most exciting to watch. How about a little patience while the O line and defence get rebuilt? I think the Jags are very close on the O line, have done a great job overhauling the WR corps in one year, and just need to upgrade the secondary.

Oh, and forget about having a prominent place on the national stage. Those spots are saved for certain franchises no matter how good or bad they are. Look what happened to the Rams. Three years and poof!

by NorthLeft12 on Nov 19, 2009 7:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I understand your frustration as a lions fan

I don’t mean to contradict myself if that’s the case but i gave everyone reasons base on my information i gathered from listening to other people throughout the city of Jacksonville over the last few years. However, you have to understand your team fan-base has so much tradition even those your team has not be as successful during their history. Some people city has was you call new school fanatic mentality. What i mean by this is that they see other teams with great regular success like the steelers, chargers, colts, and pat. They expect the jags to have the same type of success every year and if they fail to live up to those expectations they gets discourage be the team. People don’t want to hear this but it’s the truth and i’m disappointed that our fan-base is this way. I believe in my team very year and have unconditional loyalty towards them. On the other hand, many people in Jacksonville lacks my passion it’s something that’s we as a city needs to be taught either by our parents or ourselves.

by leopold332002 on Nov 19, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Leoplold - I agree with you

This organization has made some errors – I like your marketing strategy – Wayne should hire you.

The biggest issue I see is the fanbase basically relegating this franchise as a bastard child of the FL Gators. That’s just sheer stupidity on thier part. You’re quite correct in that the fanbase expects the Jags to compete for the SEC title each year. They have been spoiled with Miami, FSU, and now UF dominance in college football and can’t make the intellectual leap from college ball to NFL ball – which is a completely different and a FAR SUPERIOR game compared to NCAA. In the end – it will be that which forces this franchise to relocate.

by OGN on Nov 19, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

OGN i would go that far just yet because there's is light at the end of this tunnel

I think with the celebration touchdown 2 “revive the pride” campaign involvement with disconnecting this fan-base with the team has a few things to work with on their disposal. For instance, the first time in 7 years they have pieces they can sell to not only this fan-base but to corporate sponsors. Such as MJD being the face of the team, major contributor of revive the pride campaign and top running back in the league. Mike Sims-Walker being a top 15 receiver, Derrick Cox being an up and coming elite corner back, this is young teams that has great chemistry, good team in the future, and most importantly are good guys who can be spokesman for their companies and role models to their children. No longer the days of having turds like Reggie Williams, Matt Jones, Jerry Porter, Kaliff Barnes and Gerald Sensebaugh giving your organization a bad name and that’s a reason of hope for the team to succeed in this city. Even for the people who’s having economic troubles right now they can sell the fact that we are having a 12 month plan for the 2010 season where instead of having to pay 75 dollars for 5 payments on $390 upper bowl season now a person can pay $32.50 a month for the same seats over a 12 month span. So the future is bright and i hope this work because i love my team to be here for the rest of my life.

by leopold332002 on Nov 19, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree Vic is a problem

You got it exactly, he’s bitching to the wrong people when he’s chastising fans and selling depression to his audience. He should be focusing on retention, why we should keep watching. Instead he’s taking us though his personal 87 step program to dealing with loosing a franchise, and point he’s already conceded. I’m sick of bearing the brunt of his personal therapy/psychosis.

He needs to focus on what excites him and stop using our ears to mitigate whatever he’s feeling.

by alsonot on Nov 21, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

This is about as backwards as it gets

Vic is the one that has to bear the brunt of sniveling excuse-makers taking him through their 87 step list of why they won’t get season tickets. How is he supposed to respond when all his inbox is is a bunch of whining? Vic is just telling it like it is. Tickets good, blackouts bad, and now, Jaguars better than expected.

In Gene We Trust.

by MoveThoseChains on Nov 21, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Man, I dont know how many times i’ve said it to myself. Our LB’s are not all that good. I said last year when they had Durant in the wrong spot and Ingram wasn’t that good. They finally moved Durant to Mike (Where he should be.) I think they let Ingram go after this season and Brian Iwuh and Russell Allen battle for the Will spot.

by floridafalcons#63 on Nov 19, 2009 9:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I think so because Big Ben is an unique and charasmatic guy who knows how to win games.

That’s also the reason why i said bad management has some what ruin this fan-base because think about it we trade all those draft picks to get Derrick Harvey and he’s only got 3.5 sicks in almost 2 years and 0 sacks this year. What really adds insult to injury is that he’s getting paid 19 million buck guaranteed from a great owner like Wayne Weaver and he should give some of his money back for impersonating a good defensive end. The worst part about it is that we have a great GM in Gene Smith and he has been in our organization the entire time and never gave him the job until now. Imagine if Wayne Weaver would’ve hire him after he hired Jack Del-Rio where would this team be today? Maybe a Super Bowl champion or at worst contender because if our fan-base was taught by now is that when it comes to picking players this man is money.

by leopold332002 on Nov 19, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

again we don't know that..

maybe the years under Shack help make Gene Smith who he is today. Had he been given the job back when Shack got it, he might have made similar mistakes. I doubt it but we really don’t know.

by pksiv on Nov 19, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with both points. We are obviously headed in the right direction. Groves needs to be gone.

by floridafalcons#63 on Nov 19, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Jags linebackers are overrated but also

Reason #1 – Shack Harris not picking 1 superstar in any of his six 1st round picks. Would ticket sales be an issue if Big Ben was the Jags QB like he should have been or if they didn’t trade a boatload of picks for the useless and overpaid Derrick Harvey?

by jagsrealist on Nov 19, 2009 10:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

There's no guarantee

that Big Ben would be the QB he is now had he landed in Jacksonville. He didn’t start out very good but was able to develop with a power-running game and a #1 defense. Jaguar fans would probably still be calling for Garrard if Ben was here.

by pksiv on Nov 19, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well that's about Ingram Collin

your last words just changed the subject. LOL

Lopold we need to clone your spirit to the team; and we must copy it around 40000 peoples head. You know I’m not a local; I wasn’t in a single game; BUT:
I starting to have enough of people who conssider themselves Jags fans; can afford to 1-2-4 tickets;< and they still sitting at home; and creating excuses.
I’m in the point that If I would have enough money; I would buy a halfseason pack ticket; just to support my Jags And saying that from the perspective of I’m living in another continent; was never at an NFL game. I agree with what Leopold said in one of his calls on jaguars Monday YOUR TEAM REGARDLESS-I think that would be a good mantra) and I adding this to that-challenging with that all the excuse-makers:
IF YOU’RE A REAL JAGUARS FAN (and you can afford to do that); BUY TICKETS TO THE REMAINING GAMES!!! Stop with the excuses; stop with the crap. This team is overperforming; this team have a shot to make the playoffs with 13 rookies; and 27 new new guys. What are you waining for? Tebow? There is team here. I saw on them the effort to make a small wonder happen in the end of the season(Yes that “P” word -but If they “just” go 8-8; I’M ok with that). Don’t you think dear excusemaker fan; that it is the high time to support the Jags; by cheering for them IN THE STADIUM?

Life without knowledge is death in disguise

by Zoltan from Budapest on Nov 19, 2009 11:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Zoltan, you is always around when i need to hear some good words of wisdom.

by leopold332002 on Nov 19, 2009 11:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I do what I can do Leopold!

Life without knowledge is death in disguise

by Zoltan from Budapest on Nov 19, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ingram and Ticket Sales

Ingram has been overrated since day one. But, he can’t always have a kill mentality without being subject to juke moves by shifty ball carriers. Hence his hesitation against the Jets (he was seen to over pursue greatly the week prior.) Ingram is in a tough spot, but he has the physical tools to prevail. Hopefully he will.

As for ticket sales, any explanation or excuses are worthless and make the writer seem like public defender doing his best to exonerate a suspect facing mountains of incriminating evidence. The only solution is to buy tickets. Not struggle to articulate reasons why you or others have failed to do so.

The Teal and Black are comin' back!

by arthardie on Nov 19, 2009 12:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

your last paragraph summed it up pretty well….

folks, if you can afford it, buy the tickets or no complaining, bitching, blaming or other crap… if you’re not part of the solution, then you’re part of the problem….

Sean Jax Beach Bum

by cuffs007 on Nov 19, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Orlando

The team used to market more down here. Maybe they don’t have businesses calling for it? I don’t know. I remember finding a reason to drive to Orlando to go meet Mark Brunnel. I know I enjoyed it, and there seemed be quite a few fans there, even though I wasn’t able to get there till late. There are lots of Central Florida fans, I see the decals, and license plates all over.

That said, I’m not sure marketing would do any good. The fans here already know who the Jags are. Central Florida is a big mix of Tampa, Dolphins, and Jags fans. The Dolphins fans are always annoyed with the Jags though because of the CBS TV deal. We’re all several hours in any direction from any stadiums too. I would live to see some of the games played in Orlando. I’m still an hour from that stadium, but that’s far more do-able for me.

On another marketing note. I was recently in Monticello, Fl, in Winn Dixie. I almost fell backwards when I saw the MJD prop-up advertising his sandwich. Pretty funny. We don’t have that down here.

by Pyrofish on Nov 19, 2009 1:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Well... Anyone got any comments on R. Allen or Brian Iwuh?

Or maybe something they’ve noticed about clint.

I definitely like the guy’s leadership in the locker room, and he’s clearly a force when he really lays the wood. Hitting harder than just about anyone else on the team. However, we haven’t seen enough of those types of plays lately.

Molōn labe!
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by silencecs on Nov 19, 2009 1:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

He’s a FA after this year. I feel Iwuh or Allen can do just as good of a job. (IMO)

by floridafalcons#63 on Nov 19, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

How about Gene Smith just finds us another mid round, small school gem?

by SoCalStites on Nov 19, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't give up on Clint just yet. But he need to be better. I think the Jags need another good LB next year from somehow though.

Life without knowledge is death in disguise

by Zoltan from Budapest on Nov 19, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't given up yet on Clint

I think he can turn this around for example on Sunday if Justin cannot play; (that means he must step up). I would put him on a 3rd round tender at the end of the season. Should be enoigh.. If he is needed somewhere we have an extra 3rd (and we saw what Gene can do with EVERY pick) if noone wants him; Clint has another 1 year to prove himself.
I wanna see Iwuh and Allen more; specially Iwuh. If he is really that good; like Terry said about him; i would give him some action time this weekend!

Life without knowledge is death in disguise

by Zoltan from Budapest on Nov 19, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs