It is obvious - line play determines game results
We have watched NFL football for 10 years, 20 years, 30 years, maybe more and some concepts have stood the test of time as being absolute true. Quarterbacks do not win many games or have long careers when they are getting hit often. When a quarterback sustains the punishment level David Garrard has sustained in the last two seasons, he won't perform well or be on the field much longer.
Conversely, most quarterbacks can throw the ball very well and hit moving targets with ease when no one is bothering them. Give a guy like David time and he looks every bit as good as any other top quarterback.
I remember a long time ago the Buffalo Bills had a quarterback duel between Rob Johnson and Doug Flutie. Rob Johnson had the size and arm and polish that made him look like a clear winner. Doug Flutie was small with less deep ball ability. Doug Flutie had one skill Rob Johnson didn't, Doug could run for his life. Buffalo didn't have an offensive line and I remember thinking, better pick Flutie cause Rob Johnson will get killed. Rob was picked as the starter and got killed. It was ugly to watch.
Joe Namath had bad knees and couldn't move. He spent his last year in LA where they couldn't protect him. It was a sad end to a great career.
Over and over the same thing plays out. The quarterback battle between Byron Leftwich and Luke McCown was silly during the Tampa Bay pre-season. Bryon looks great until there is a rush. Tampa Bay has problems on the offensive line and no change of quarterback is going to fix that. Byron was the worst choice behind a weak line.
Vince Young didn't look great, Vince Young had time to think and react. He wasn't bothered. Kurt Warner looked like a superstar when he had time to think. David does too.
Did David have receivers open? Yes. Did David miss plays? Yes. Did Dirk Koetter help him out by calling pass plays under a huge blitz? No. We can diagnose all the nuances of the game if we want, but David doesn't avoid a rush very well or think very clearly when he is getting hit. Only Big Ben does that well from what I have seen. Hit Vince Young like David was hit and he will refuse to go in the game. We don't have the line to play the game Dirk Koetter wants to play and David is paying the price. Unfortunately, we can't win with 9 men in the box and daring us to try and run. That was last year.
The Jaguars Defensive and Offensive lines deteriorated because we didn't draft into those spots for years. Tom did, Shack and Jack didn't. Rookies selected in the first round have a 50% chance of even being a starter three years later. The later rounds are even lower. You simply have to keep bringing people into the lines in hopes of finding good ones.
The Jaguars addressed the line play in the last two drafts. Defensive line then Offensive line. We are late in rebuilding these critical areas and having mixed success. This will be a focus of the team going forward.
As much as I hate to write this, we have to follow Jack Del Rio's advice about Derrick Harvey and apply it to this team, lower your expectations. The lines are not there to support any kind of playoff run. They won't be this year and maybe not next.
My only concern is that David doesn't have the time or the body to survive the pounding. I am afraid the line rebuilding may cause more rebuilding. In short, Jack Del Rio, Bill Cower, Marty, or anyone else isn't going to make this team improve quickly. Changing out the coaching staff isn't going to fix the line play, not today. Only Gene Smith can do what is needed and he can't do it right now.
- Terry O'Brien
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The O-line has been there
The Jags wouldn’t lead the league in rushing TDs or be in the Top 10 running the ball if they didn’t. They just got whooped today by a Titans D-line that for once played up to their talent level. Is it the O-line’s fault that David still holds the ball too long, or does he hold it more the more he gets hit?
The talent is there on the line. The interior is older, but still should have something in the tank. Britton has been a barnburner at RT, and we’ll have to see what happens with Monroe.
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by Jonathan Loesche on Nov 2, 2009 8:48 AM EST reply actions
you are wrong
David does not have time
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Cant say the line is one way or another as far as time goes
Because theyre so inconsistent. In the win vs Tits, our line was great and everyone was praising how much time DG had. Sunday, no time and everyone is blaming the line. This just means we have to continue to load up on linemen in the drafts. A good line trumps everything else, on both sides of the ball
by harveyismyboy on Nov 3, 2009 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know what to think about the O-line
Once they can protect David; other time they simply don’t-like yesterday.
You know it says much that poor McCown sack 2 times already!!!!! How much time h spent on the field 3 minutes??? And he was sacked twice… This is not protection.
And it coming from the blind say(correct me if the stats don’t show that); which make me worry. We have a Pro Bowler LT and a “plug-in”(hahaha) LT result=well not much
And yeah we need a center and a guard on a starting level too
The D-line. There are MAJOR problems:
1 Monachino-he is the biggest obsticle.
2: Lack of talent: When aging veteran Reggie Hayward is your best passrusher by a mile- you know have in trouble (not to mention-dead last in sack in the NFL; the 4th LT from the practice squad is enough protection etc.)
Yeah other then the secondary, our lines are still neeed much work!
Great job Terry! As always.
(Oh and wow new profileimage John-I loved “Fear and loathing in las vegas”)
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Nov 2, 2009 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
Ouch
Now I starting to make giant grammar errors.. I need some sleep before “jagaurs Monday” and MNF
Can’t wait BCC Radio as well on Wendesday
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Nov 2, 2009 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
I mean "Jaguars Monday"
spelling errors with me too!
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Nov 2, 2009 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
The fact that the line is good at running doesn't mean they're good at protecting David.
You have to be good at both, and the Jaguars just aren’t very good at pass protection right now. The D-line’s not very good at anything. Put that together, and you get a team that is quite capable of having bad games like yesterday.
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by MoveThoseChains on Nov 2, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think there is a single root cause
I know we love it when there is just one thing to fix but this team is a block of swiss cheese. I agree, for the most part with Tkopa. David is stuck behind an o-line that has yet to invest enough time in itself to reach a level of consistency. The coaches need to know where the failures are and give David the plays to be successful.
That being said, David is missing opportunities and he is far from consistent. But at some point your eyes start to go from downfield to right in front of you. It really becomes a lose\lose for David. He obviously feels the pressure and looks for primary: he gets blasted for not going through his progression. If he goes through his progression he gets blasted for holding onto the ball.
What we’re left with is a high priced QB who isn’t been given a consistent support. With all that is broken, I’m starting to feel guilty for casting any blame. It is what it is.
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We both got picked up by ESPN
I wrote this piece in a hurry simply to say back off from the ledge. We are going to see this happen again this year.
You wrote a nice piece.
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That as cool
First for me.
Funny that I did somewhat the same thing. I had to write since it was too late to work out or mow the lawn and was going off what I had retained as opposed to reviewing the game.
Yes, we’ll need thick skin this year. Enjoy the highs!!
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by Brian Fullford on Nov 2, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
congratulation for both of you
2 BCC writers at 1 day-new record!!!!!
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Nov 2, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Rec'd
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Great point Terry...
At the risk of sounding like a smartass, I thought it was Rob Johnson not Brad Johnson.
Also, the pass that David sailed for an INT acutally looked like he may have been throwing it to Mike Thomas in the end zone. MT was moving to DG right and MSW was moving to DG Left. Finnegan stops trailing MSW and makes the INT. Either way, it was a bad pass by DG. I say this because the defender covering MT was in a position to either knock it down or make the pick. If DG had hit MSW who was open, it would have been a touch. The safeties were split and MSW had the speed to out run Finnegan.
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At the risk of admiting a mistake
you are right, it was Rob Johnson.
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on the Flutie topic...
Flutie was an extreme, with undeniable leadership qualities and athletic ability, but he played a circus game. The guy was 5’9 and maybe 180lbs, and could outrun linebackers, break tackles, and loved dunking on teammates in basketball scrimmages… AFTER NFL practices. At age 43 he was still good enough to have to declined the Pats offer to backup Brady another year… that says a lot too, ultra competitive guy.
Here’s a few nifty videos, #9 Most Mobile QB (underrated in this sense), #6 QB Controversy, of course the Fluite Curse (for benching him in the playoffs after a 10-5 year):
http://www.nfl.com/videos/search-results?quickSearch=Flutie




















