It is time to say good-bye
by Messina on Nov 2, 2009 1:39 PM EST
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For those of you that have read my previous articles, I have always been a supporter of Jack Del Rio, from the off-season to the bye-week. I have always found the positives of every win and loss, wanting to believe that Jack is the man for the job, unfortunately I believe his time has come to leave us.
Jack has been a great coach, building this team up for the terrible state it was in when he came to the job, and is runs at greatness, however I think he has reached his limit in Jacksonville. I believed Jack was the right man for the job earlier in the season, and I'm not going back on what I said, or believed then, but now things have changed. Our last three games have been terrible, lets just face it.
The Seahawk loss was sickening to say the least, our defense well... we didn't have one, and our offense well...we didn't have one. Our "victory" over St. Louis was barely that, almost losing to a 0-5 team, with MJD being the only bright spot. Finally we have the lost yesterday, where were actually lost to an 0-6 team, and again MJD was the only bright spot. Jack's coaching has not been effective in developing this team, and yes I know we have 7 rookies on the active roster, with our number 1,2,3,3,5 starting.
Our defense is terrible, with Nelson being the WORST player on defense, and please don't tell me he is improving, he has had 3 years to improve ok, and if he hasn't yet he won't. Our FS and SS are our biggest problems, we you consider they are the Jacks of all trades, stuffing the run, and pass coverage, and supporting all other positions.
Our offense has the talent and the potential, but it doesn't have the coaching, Koetter doesn't use the tools he has at his disposal. The passing game is secondary to our rushing game, not the other way around like Dirk sees it. I'm not attacking our WR corp at all, they are the best group have have had since Jimmy Smith. Holt, Sims-Walker, Thomas and Dillard are great, but our strength lies in MJD.
Through all this we have Jack, just standing on the sidelines doing nothing to improve this team. If I have to watch one more of his "oh well we lost, it was good, we need to improve" press conferences I'm going to scream. Does he even care anymore? In all reality we knew this would be a rebuilding year, but is Jack the one to do it? I remember there was an article a month or so ago that brought up the same point but I disagreed, will know I see the reason behind the arguement. Jack has stalled, stuck in neutral, at an impass, however you want to call it, he has had his time here, he brought us to the playoffs, but he can't keep us there and thats the problem.
Jack is a great coach and I am thankful for all that he has done for this team, but its time to move on. I wish him all the best of luck, but he is no longer the best for Jacksonville. Jack can no longer direct and lead this team the way he did two seasons ago. We need someone with that fire in their belly and their heart, someone that can shape this young team into the dominate force in the AFC south and the NFL as a whole. It is time to move on, and that means without Jack than so be it, and should he turn this team around than great, and I can say when I;m wrong, but until that happens we need someone new at the helm.
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Does Jack tell his players not to tackle?
Doubt it. Did he tell Derek Cox to drop that gimme pick a the beginning of the game? Doubt that too.
This team is still suffering from remarkably poor drafting over the past handful of years. So, it’s that fact that Nelson is even on our team that is the mistake. Such root causes are still infecting this team and Gene Smith has started to administer the antidote, although it will take time.
That said, look at how much Donovan Darius really meant to our team. His name should be on the Pride of the Jaguars one day. Just look at what we’ve got there now. Awful. At least we have room for Eric Berry. Lord knows we need him.
The Teal and Black are comin' back!
by arthardie on Nov 2, 2009 2:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Clarification.
By “look at what we’ve got there now”, I’m referring to the secondary (not the Pride of the Jaguars.)
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by arthardie on Nov 2, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't doubt it
Jack’s coaching has been failing the team these past two seasons. Oh and Cox is one of the team leaders of tackles, and the INT he missed wasn’t a game winner so don’t condemn him for it. But I do miss Darius
by Messina on Nov 2, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nelson played horribly
and I hate to say it, because I like the guy, but Ingram may have had the worst game of his career. He was never as fast as Durant or Smith, but he was always a solid tackler until yesterday. I’m really disappointed in him.
And as bad as people think Considine is he’s easily the best safety we have. We need to stop fiddling around with having 2 FS’s, making one of them try to play SS.
I expect some personnel changes. And as long as we keep trying to play with only one 4-3 DE, we are going to see games like yesterday’s. It seems to me that only Knighton and Harvey could make a play at the LOS in the run game. You know: Hold their position, shed a block, MAKE the freakin TACKLE! The game wouldn’t have been nearly as out of hand as the score made it look, if people would just make a freakin tackle. The scheme, to a high degree, did what it was supposed to do. I don’t believe that in any big play given up by our defense that someone wasn’t in position to make a play. That says to me players not plays.
by Ewdtrey on Nov 2, 2009 3:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
but as we have talked about before I’ve never been a Considine fan since the season began, but I’m willing to try anything.
by Messina on Nov 2, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why Not
In the two and a half games he played, what did he do that made you not become a fan of his? Has it occured to anyone that he could be a reason we held the Colts points total down? Or that Kurt Warner didn’t go for more than 300 yards, despite having the best receiver tandem in football?
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by Bestjagfan on Nov 2, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and Harvey
was a beast yesterday, he is actually developing into a good football player
by Messina on Nov 2, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
In the face of adversity, what you do from then on dictates who you really are...
by JagsNguyen on Nov 2, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He is developing
Into an average defensive end. With the investment the Jaguars put in him, that’s not good enough.
by SoCalStites on Nov 2, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would say
considering the shambles the rest of the D is in, I’m surprised he’s doing as well as he is.
by Ewdtrey on Nov 2, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if the rest of your defense looks like shit, then it makes it easier for one guy to look good. just sayin’
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by cuffs007 on Nov 2, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would disagree
that’s when you see double teams. That’s when teams chip you. That’s when teams run away from you. That’s when they roll out the opposite way. It’s hard to rack up stats without friends to help. You can see his intensity easier in comparison, but even then when people are starting to sour on the team suddenly everyone looks bad.
I mean I don’t saying, good game Daryl Smith or Durant or Knighton or Henderson…Players that actually had a good game.
by Ewdtrey on Nov 3, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is players not plays, which is why losses such as yesterday fall mostly on Shack Harris
But there is some blame to be placed on JDR, as you are given 2 weeks to prepare for a shitty 0-6 team led by an interception-prone QB. I have always liked Jack, but this is the first year I’m starting to doubt him. seriously, that is.
by harveyismyboy on Nov 2, 2009 3:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
truth be told... It's our players...
Marshall Faulk in an interview said,“In today’s game, you can not make one mistake on a guy in the draft.” It’s never been more true than with the Jags. If your stand out players are Durant and Knighton, that’s not saying much about your last 5 years of drafting. Those guys are gems and so is MJD, but that’s just not enough to stay competitive.
Shack was bad, but Jack has to be a little responsible for the player selection. (NO MORE GUYS FROM UF! Always over-rated.)
by Jaghomer on Nov 3, 2009 7:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Except some guys named Fred Taylor and Bobby McCray.
by Kbot on Nov 7, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
na na na na, na na na na, hey hey hey, good bye
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by esierra44 on Nov 2, 2009 3:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
fire the owner
he’s the dumbass that hired Shack Harris and compounded that mistake by keeping him for 6 years. For 6 years he was Rip Van Winkle and slept thru the destruction of a franchise by a GM who had no clue.
by jagsrealist on Nov 2, 2009 5:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
thats somewhat dumb
The Owner is the Owner. He can’t fire himself. Everyone makes mistakes.
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by TheTealDeal on Nov 2, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is this sarcasm? If it is, it’s pretty funny, but if it isn’t, it’s still pretty funny, but for different reasons. Let’s hope it’s the former.
by Kbot on Nov 7, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Once again, this is a rebuilding year!
I don’t know what the expectations are for most fans but they are mostly unrealistic. Whether we play good and win or play horrible and lose, it’s all part of growing as a team. Sure we have players that aren’t performing well but you can’t completely overhaul a roster in 1 year. We are starting several rookies so things like this are going to happen. We don’t have enough good players yet to overcome the mistakes being made. It’s the nature of the NFL now. Didn’t the Eagles, who just looked great beating the Giants, lose to the Raiders the previous week? I think the Jags are about an 8-8 team and thats if they grow and stick together as a team. The Jets, Ravens, Steelers, and several other teams have lost games that they should have won this year.
by Jaggernaut on Nov 2, 2009 6:11 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
+1
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by Jonathan Loesche on Nov 2, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We're average (7-9, 8-8)
We’ll lose and win with irregularity. Draft will set us Free.
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by TheTealDeal on Nov 2, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Del Rio
Can’t go out there and play anymore. If his team plays like shit, he can’t help that. Any given sunday, isn’t that the saying in the NFL?
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by Bestjagfan on Nov 2, 2009 9:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
rebuilding is 1 thing
I can’t deal with “pros” that can’t tackle. Its time for Reggie Nelson to be the next Shack #1 pick to be cut and don’t tell me Harvey is a beast because he’ll never live up to the holdout and all those draft picks.
by jagsrealist on Nov 2, 2009 10:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No, he probably won't
But, he is still developing into a damn fine player – one of the very few on this D that can actually shed blocks and tackle. He probably won’t live up to the mistake of trading away so much for him, but this D would be much worse without him.
by KeithG on Nov 3, 2009 4:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In comparison
to all other DE’s from that draft, he may turn out to be the best. How’s Vernon Gholston doing? haha
by Ewdtrey on Nov 3, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yay we got the least marginalized DE
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by Jonathan Loesche on Nov 4, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm so not understand this
Yeah I have my own questions about Jack; but why we wanna fire him after EVERY LOSED GAME? The Jags have 9 games left, we are in rebuilding; I simply don’t get this….
PATIENCE guys; PATIENCE!!!!!!
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Nov 3, 2009 8:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm sick of waiting
You can preach PATIENCE all the hell you want, the fact remains that this team has sick talent, talent that could bring us to the Superbowl, yet nothing is being done. It is a rebuilding year, but that means there should be improvement, hell if it wasn’t for MJD there would be no running game. We need fresh blood at the helm to rebuild time team. mhhhh Cowher or Holmgren anyone?
by Messina on Nov 3, 2009 9:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cowher will never come here, and Holmgren (and Shanahan and Gruden) have been just as incompetent in the playoffs lately too.
I don’t understand why people don’t understand that the other options out there are just as bad.
In Gene We Trust.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 3, 2009 9:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Holmgren
is a great coach, have you seen what he did in Greenbay, or Seattle? Hell he built the Seahawks from nothing into a Superbowl contender
by Messina on Nov 3, 2009 10:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how come the Seattle is under .500 wins?
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by TheTealDeal on Nov 3, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We need time Messina
The window of oppurtunity of this team was closed on that playoff game in NEw England in 2007. We need time to that window open again. This team can be a powerhouse within 1-2 years.
I keep repeat PATIENCE until you keep repear “FIRE JACK DEL RIO” at least until end of the season!
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Nov 3, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jack has had
the time, and he hasn’t produced. This team should have been a powerhouse last season, this season it should have been a wildcard contender, but the coaching is failing this team.
by Messina on Nov 3, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are we talking about the same team? I want the Jaguars to win as much as you do, but it’s unreasonable to say that we should be a wildcard contender this year. A team with so few holdovers is not expected to be in wildcard contention. Just the fact that we even had the chance to be in wildcard contention was overachieving, with the credit going to the coaching staff. Not only is coaching not failing this team, it has made this team overachieve in many instances.
I can’t understand your expectations. It’s like expecting a sprinter with a broken leg to finish second a week later.
by Kbot on Nov 7, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know what,
we are talking about the same time. Let’s face it, the coaching has let this team down. I never we wouldn’t be a wild card contender, only that if the current trend cont. we will be on the golf course come Jan
by Messina on Nov 8, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sick Talent?
Where exactly? We have maybe 6 or 7 guys who would make the roster of any of the top 5 teams in the league right now. And most of those would only be back-ups. I’m not entirley sure of the coaching, but what this team needs more than anything else is more talent. Lots of it.
Guys I think would make the roster of the good teams: Mojo, Sims-Walker, Mathis, Thomas (maybe), Knighton(depth only), Cox (depth only, and only maybe).
Who would you add to this list, from our pool of “sick talent”?
by KeithG on Nov 3, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry but this team
does not have “sick talent”. At least it doesn’t if you meant that in a good way.
by pksiv on Nov 3, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't posted here all year, but I feel inclined
Sick talent? Are we watching the same Jaguars? If we had sick talent we’d be tackling and scoring at will. Jack’s not to blame for that. We have sick potential, and we’ll get there, we’re headed in the right direction. Remember, Jack is a young coach. He’s gonna improve just as the team will. Maybe if we had an old coach who was stuck in his ways I would be more inclined to agree with you.
This team was completely overhauled, what do you expect? This is rebuilding, and considering that, I’m very happy with where the Jags are at. To me the only disappointment so far this year has been the Seahawks game. But I suppose we should blow up the whole thing half way through the first rebuilding season, that makes total sense.
I’m really disappointed, and this is why I rarely comment here anymore. I used you think Jags fans on this site were smarter than this. It’s rebuilding. And it’s players not plays.
by Nebraska Jag on Nov 3, 2009 10:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed completely
This team is seriously lacking in talent. 6 years of crap drafting…. in truth, I’m amazed we are doing as well as we have. There are plenty of teams in the NFL right now with more talent, and worse records.
by KeithG on Nov 3, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya SICK TALENT
We have, in my opinion the best running back in the league as well as full back in Greg Jones, our WR corp has young talent that we haven’t had since Jimmy Smith in Sims-Walker, Thomas and Dillard, our LB corp can be one of the best, and Mathis is top 5 CB in the league in talent, with Cox developing into a young Mathis. Oh and our 2 rookie tackles in Monroe and Britton, yes I know they haven’t been playing well, but they have the rare talent, no the coaching. JACK IS NOT A YOUNG COACH!!!!! He is the second longest serving head coach in the league, I thought you were smarter than that! Yes its rebuilding but this BS of good one week, shit the next, beating good teams, getting owned by shitty teams doesn’t cut it. Don’t even me “any given sunday” crap, b/c lets face it when you have the TALENT we have, and you almost loss to two 0-6 teams and actually due lost one its sickening. Hell we lost to a win less team last year in Cinn. So get YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT, before you go around saying “I thought Jags fans are smarter than that” crap.
by Messina on Nov 3, 2009 10:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Instead of shouting
Why don’t you just name the guys we have that would make the roster of…. lets say the Patriots. They aren’t even that good this year, but who do we have that would start for them?
by KeithG on Nov 3, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My facts are straight
I didn’t say inexperienced, I said young. Jack is 46 years old, and this is his first team, that’s still young. And the fact that all the players with “sick” talent that you named are very young players speaks greatly to the coaching ability of Jack. That he has been able to get that kind of production out of such young players is amazing. Do you really want to be on of those teams that just fires coaches when things are bad (and in this case things really aren’t that bad)? Have we not learned from teams like the Steelers? Do you really want to be the Raiders? Patience! Oh and what kind of response is “Screw the Pats”? That’s a legitimate question. And the answer is probably only 3: MJD, Mathis, and Daryl Smith (maybe 4 with Greg Jones).
by Nebraska Jag on Nov 3, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
The Jaguars have overachieved in many instances, thanks to the coaching staff.
by Kbot on Nov 7, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell have you been smoking?
Can you please share this with the rest of the class?
by Messina on Nov 8, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course. Here, let’s pack up some sense.
by Kbot on Nov 8, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LMFAO!!! ABSOLUTELY THE BEST COMMENT EVER...
dude… you had me rollin with that one… really clever…
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by silencecs on Nov 10, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
According to Vic
There are 17 players on our 53 man roster who were “unwanted” by other teams in the NFL. Of course, this includes players like Torry Holt. But, the fact is… we have a whack of players on our roster who were either taken off other team’s practise squads, or were taken after being cut by other teams. 6 of those 17 started on sunday. So, 6 out of 22 starters are the leftovers from the rest of the NFL.
How is that for sick talent?
by KeithG on Nov 3, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sick talent?
This team has shit (for) talent. MJD on offense. Daryl Smith on defense. Scobee on special teams. Thats it.
You can have your choice of Cowher, Holgren, Gruden, Shanahan and fact is none of them would win with this sorry bunch. Shack Harris destroyed this franchise with 6 years of drafting crap and Wayne Weaver did nothing.
by jagsrealist on Nov 3, 2009 11:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
There is no "cause" for firing JDR
Wouldn’t it be to expensive to fire Jack? I bet he’s not going anywhere anytime soon. I wonder if we could trade him to Al Davis and the Raiders for a 2nd round draft pick this year.
Vae Victis!
by viator on Nov 3, 2009 5:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He could probably
help their situation. He would probably scare Al Davis into better picks and benching big boy Jamarcus Russell.
by Ewdtrey on Nov 3, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what is more expensive?
JDR’s salary or the lost revenue each year and each game with our wonderful attendance?
by OGN on Nov 5, 2009 9:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Compounding the two
Would only make it worse for Wayne financially. Unless you believe the next coach hired would bring about a drastic change in attendance. How about Jon Gruden and Tim Tebow? We’ll need two stadiums to hold the overflow. Just thinking about it is about to blow my mind!
Vae Victis!
by viator on Nov 5, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You think people will go to the Jags game because two new guys are on the sidelines?
I always thought real football fans wanted to see a good, winning football team. Maybe not.
by NorthLeft12 on Nov 6, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The sad thing is, it wasn't
Viator is a huge Tebow fan
by SoCalStites on Nov 8, 2009 1:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Even I have tempered my Tebow fascination
I don’t want us to draft him…….in the 1st.
I would like us to draft him in the 3rd.
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by TheTealDeal on Nov 8, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They are not
mutually exclusive as you may think.
by Ewdtrey on Nov 12, 2009 2:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Players NOT plays.
When we get some quality players then we decide whether Coaching is lacking. The reason why we are inconsistant and borderline mediocre is because of the youth and the last vestiages of crap from Shack.
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by TheTealDeal on Nov 4, 2009 5:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Also, congrats to you Messina for getting such a lively thread going
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by Jonathan Loesche on Nov 4, 2009 6:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Haha, no shit
I encourage people to get some conversation going at the end of all of my posts, and I only get 10 comments. Messina, whats your secret bro?
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by Bestjagfan on Nov 4, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He is write about something
which is on many people’s mind no matter which side they stand on the subject.
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Nov 4, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he knocks on wood
Kinda like Tkopa does with Tebow, haha
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by TheTealDeal on Nov 4, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...lol
Just like Zoltan said, I write about something that’s on everyone’s mind, not saying what you write isn’t lol. I try to response to all the good posts, but I don’t always have the time.
by Messina on Nov 5, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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