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It is time to say good-bye


        For those of you that have read my previous articles, I have always been a supporter of Jack Del Rio, from the off-season to the bye-week. I have always found the positives of every win and loss, wanting to believe that Jack is the man for the job, unfortunately I believe his time has come to leave us.

        Jack has been a great coach, building this team up for the terrible state it was in when he came to the job, and is runs at greatness, however I think he has reached his limit in Jacksonville. I believed Jack was the right man for the job earlier in the season, and I'm not going back on what I said, or believed then, but now things have changed. Our last three games have been terrible, lets just face it.

        The Seahawk loss was sickening to say the least, our defense well... we didn't have one, and our offense well...we didn't have one. Our "victory" over St. Louis was barely that, almost losing to a 0-5 team, with MJD being the only bright spot. Finally we have the lost yesterday, where were actually lost to an 0-6 team, and again MJD was the only bright spot. Jack's coaching has not been effective in developing this team, and yes I know we have 7 rookies on the active roster, with our number 1,2,3,3,5 starting.

         Our defense is terrible, with Nelson being the WORST player on defense, and please don't tell me he is improving, he has had 3 years to improve ok, and if he hasn't yet he won't. Our FS and SS are our biggest problems, we you consider they are the Jacks of all trades, stuffing the run, and pass coverage, and supporting all other positions.

         Our offense has the talent and the potential, but it doesn't have the coaching, Koetter doesn't use the tools he has at his disposal. The passing game is secondary to our rushing game, not the other way around like Dirk sees it. I'm not attacking our WR corp at all, they are the best group have have had since Jimmy Smith. Holt, Sims-Walker, Thomas and Dillard  are great, but our strength lies in MJD.

         Through all this we have Jack, just standing on the sidelines doing nothing to improve this team. If I have to watch one more of his "oh well we lost, it was good, we need to improve" press conferences I'm going to scream. Does he even care anymore? In all reality we knew this would be a rebuilding year, but is Jack the one to do it? I remember there was an article a month or so ago that brought up the same point but I disagreed, will know I see the reason behind the arguement. Jack has stalled, stuck in neutral, at an impass, however you want to call it, he has had his time here, he brought us to the playoffs, but he can't keep us there and thats the problem.

       Jack is a great coach and I am thankful for all that he has done for this team, but its time to move on. I wish him all the best of luck, but he is no longer the best for Jacksonville. Jack can no longer direct and lead this team the way he did two seasons ago. We need someone with that fire in their belly and their heart, someone that can shape this young team into the dominate force in the AFC south and the NFL as a whole. It is time to move on, and that means without Jack than so be it, and should he turn this team around than great, and I can say when I;m wrong, but until that happens we need someone new at the helm.

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Does Jack tell his players not to tackle?

Doubt it. Did he tell Derek Cox to drop that gimme pick a the beginning of the game? Doubt that too.

This team is still suffering from remarkably poor drafting over the past handful of years. So, it’s that fact that Nelson is even on our team that is the mistake. Such root causes are still infecting this team and Gene Smith has started to administer the antidote, although it will take time.

That said, look at how much Donovan Darius really meant to our team. His name should be on the Pride of the Jaguars one day. Just look at what we’ve got there now. Awful. At least we have room for Eric Berry. Lord knows we need him.

The Teal and Black are comin' back!

by arthardie on Nov 2, 2009 2:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Clarification.

By “look at what we’ve got there now”, I’m referring to the secondary (not the Pride of the Jaguars.)

The Teal and Black are comin' back!

by arthardie on Nov 2, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't doubt it

Jack’s coaching has been failing the team these past two seasons. Oh and Cox is one of the team leaders of tackles, and the INT he missed wasn’t a game winner so don’t condemn him for it. But I do miss Darius

by Messina on Nov 2, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever dude!

What you’re saying is straight-up hot garbage!! If i’m the coach and Reggie Nelson is out there NOT DOING HIS JOB, he gets benched. I don’t care if I had to put a walk-on on the field, i’d make that decision because that’s what coaches do. The problem is with the coaching. Everyone drops balls!! WRs do it, defensive players do it, hell, even Jerry Rice dropped a few in his day. Good coaching teaches a player techniques that will hopefully prevent them from dropping the easy ones. The bottom line is guys are not responding to Jack’s coaching. You go ahead and be his advocate, but the writing is on the wall. As long as we have him as a coach, we will never make it back to the playoffs and “The Jack” will always be empty.

by Agent 007 on Nov 3, 2009 7:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Who else was there to put in?

Mathis, Considine…injured. Donovin Darius…retired. Maybe JDR declares himself eligible? The point is that a lot of the players we have suck, and there’s no amount of coaching that can change that. What can change it? A draft or three, but we have to wait for the offseason for that. Being patient sucks, but it has to happen.

In Gene We Trust.

by MoveThoseChains on Nov 3, 2009 9:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You really want to wait three drafts with JDR as your HC?

What has he shown when we did have a strong roster? Lets not pretend like it was always weak. I remember having a top 10 defense for like 3 years straight.

by Slvrgun on Nov 3, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Remember it's all

about the QB. So unless you have a Ravens defense of their days of old your not gonna go far, especially in this division.

by Ewdtrey on Nov 3, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nelson played horribly

and I hate to say it, because I like the guy, but Ingram may have had the worst game of his career. He was never as fast as Durant or Smith, but he was always a solid tackler until yesterday. I’m really disappointed in him.

And as bad as people think Considine is he’s easily the best safety we have. We need to stop fiddling around with having 2 FS’s, making one of them try to play SS.

I expect some personnel changes. And as long as we keep trying to play with only one 4-3 DE, we are going to see games like yesterday’s. It seems to me that only Knighton and Harvey could make a play at the LOS in the run game. You know: Hold their position, shed a block, MAKE the freakin TACKLE! The game wouldn’t have been nearly as out of hand as the score made it look, if people would just make a freakin tackle. The scheme, to a high degree, did what it was supposed to do. I don’t believe that in any big play given up by our defense that someone wasn’t in position to make a play. That says to me players not plays.

by Ewdtrey on Nov 2, 2009 3:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree

but as we have talked about before I’ve never been a Considine fan since the season began, but I’m willing to try anything.

by Messina on Nov 2, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why Not

In the two and a half games he played, what did he do that made you not become a fan of his? Has it occured to anyone that he could be a reason we held the Colts points total down? Or that Kurt Warner didn’t go for more than 300 yards, despite having the best receiver tandem in football?

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Nov 2, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh and Harvey

was a beast yesterday, he is actually developing into a good football player

by Messina on Nov 2, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

In the face of adversity, what you do from then on dictates who you really are...

by JagsNguyen on Nov 2, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He is developing

Into an average defensive end. With the investment the Jaguars put in him, that’s not good enough.

by SoCalStites on Nov 2, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would say

considering the shambles the rest of the D is in, I’m surprised he’s doing as well as he is.

by Ewdtrey on Nov 2, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

if the rest of your defense looks like shit, then it makes it easier for one guy to look good. just sayin’

Sean Jax Beach Bum

by cuffs007 on Nov 2, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would disagree

that’s when you see double teams. That’s when teams chip you. That’s when teams run away from you. That’s when they roll out the opposite way. It’s hard to rack up stats without friends to help. You can see his intensity easier in comparison, but even then when people are starting to sour on the team suddenly everyone looks bad.
I mean I don’t saying, good game Daryl Smith or Durant or Knighton or Henderson…Players that actually had a good game.

by Ewdtrey on Nov 3, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It is players not plays, which is why losses such as yesterday fall mostly on Shack Harris

But there is some blame to be placed on JDR, as you are given 2 weeks to prepare for a shitty 0-6 team led by an interception-prone QB. I have always liked Jack, but this is the first year I’m starting to doubt him. seriously, that is.

by harveyismyboy on Nov 2, 2009 3:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

truth be told... It's our players...

Marshall Faulk in an interview said,“In today’s game, you can not make one mistake on a guy in the draft.” It’s never been more true than with the Jags. If your stand out players are Durant and Knighton, that’s not saying much about your last 5 years of drafting. Those guys are gems and so is MJD, but that’s just not enough to stay competitive.

Shack was bad, but Jack has to be a little responsible for the player selection. (NO MORE GUYS FROM UF! Always over-rated.)

by Jaghomer on Nov 3, 2009 7:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Except some guys named Fred Taylor and Bobby McCray.

by Kbot on Nov 7, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i agree

na na na na, na na na na, hey hey hey, good bye

Brown Kid

by esierra44 on Nov 2, 2009 3:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

fire the owner

he’s the dumbass that hired Shack Harris and compounded that mistake by keeping him for 6 years. For 6 years he was Rip Van Winkle and slept thru the destruction of a franchise by a GM who had no clue.

by jagsrealist on Nov 2, 2009 5:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

thats somewhat dumb

The Owner is the Owner. He can’t fire himself. Everyone makes mistakes.

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by TheTealDeal on Nov 2, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is this sarcasm? If it is, it’s pretty funny, but if it isn’t, it’s still pretty funny, but for different reasons. Let’s hope it’s the former.

by Kbot on Nov 7, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Once again, this is a rebuilding year!

I don’t know what the expectations are for most fans but they are mostly unrealistic. Whether we play good and win or play horrible and lose, it’s all part of growing as a team. Sure we have players that aren’t performing well but you can’t completely overhaul a roster in 1 year. We are starting several rookies so things like this are going to happen. We don’t have enough good players yet to overcome the mistakes being made. It’s the nature of the NFL now. Didn’t the Eagles, who just looked great beating the Giants, lose to the Raiders the previous week? I think the Jags are about an 8-8 team and thats if they grow and stick together as a team. The Jets, Ravens, Steelers, and several other teams have lost games that they should have won this year.

by Jaggernaut on Nov 2, 2009 6:11 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

We're average (7-9, 8-8)

We’ll lose and win with irregularity. Draft will set us Free.

"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
The Flavour of the Day is Turf. - Courtesy of the Jacksonville Jaguars
Keeper of the "That's what she said"

by TheTealDeal on Nov 2, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Del Rio

Can’t go out there and play anymore. If his team plays like shit, he can’t help that. Any given sunday, isn’t that the saying in the NFL?

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Nov 2, 2009 9:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

rebuilding is 1 thing

I can’t deal with “pros” that can’t tackle. Its time for Reggie Nelson to be the next Shack #1 pick to be cut and don’t tell me Harvey is a beast because he’ll never live up to the holdout and all those draft picks.

by jagsrealist on Nov 2, 2009 10:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

No, he probably won't

But, he is still developing into a damn fine player – one of the very few on this D that can actually shed blocks and tackle. He probably won’t live up to the mistake of trading away so much for him, but this D would be much worse without him.

by KeithG on Nov 3, 2009 4:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In comparison

to all other DE’s from that draft, he may turn out to be the best. How’s Vernon Gholston doing? haha

by Ewdtrey on Nov 3, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wanna know what's really funny?

Around game two or so I posted a comment to this blog calling for the firing of Jack Del Rio. Most (if not all) the feedback I received from readers was that Jack was the right man for the job and blah, blah, blah, and so on and so forth. Well, when I read this article it makes me chuckle to the point I feel pain in my sides because it is clearly apparent and has been for quite some time that JDR is not the man for the job.

Look at what he’s accomplished since he arrived. 1. He’s won one playoff game his entire seven years as the head coach. 2. He’s fired closed to ten coordinators during his tenure. 3. He claims to be involved in defensive coaching this year and coincidentally the defense is the worst its been in several years. Hmmm……so I have to ask myself….why keep this guy around? What has he done for this franchise? Seriously, people!

You guys know just as well as I do if a QB were to only throw one touchdown pass an entire season and that team had a losing record because of his play he would be benched immediately. So what’s stopping Wayne from firing Jack? Oh, i know, it’s all the money he’ll have to pay him if he sends him packing. I actually think it’ll be money well spent.

I too am sick of the same old, lame ass press conferences from Jack, “Well, this was not our best effort” or his classic line, “We will get better”. Get the hell outta here with that bulls%$t, Jack! The Jaguars will never get better under Jack Del Rio. I appreciate the one playoff appearance in seven freakin’ wasteful years, Jack, but I can’t wait to see your ass unemployed.

What’s Bill Cowher up to these days?

by Agent 007 on Nov 3, 2009 7:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I was one of those people

and at the time I thought he was the right man, and we should give him time, well he has gotten the time. I can admit when I’m wrong, and it is the time for the changing of the guard

by Messina on Nov 3, 2009 9:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I Still

Support Jack, so don’t count me as a waffler.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Nov 3, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bestjagfan

I hope you’re a business owner because your boy Jack is going to need a job at the end of the season.

by Agent 007 on Nov 3, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Aight

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Nov 4, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm no

waffler either. Has anyone listened to the position coaches? They all credit JDR all the time. And so does Gene Smith. And you know what else they all say. They need some more players. They need more players that can put pressure on the QB. And they need some better safeties. Now they haven’t said it out right, but if you can read between the lines you know what they are saying.

by Ewdtrey on Nov 4, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We should have 4 different threads just to clarify approval ratings and who's supporting who

There’d be a David Garrard approval thread, a Gene Smith thread, a Wayne Weaver thread and a Jack Del Rio thread. You could throw in a Derrick Harvey for good measure too.

There could be no accusations of waffling.

by SoCalStites on Nov 4, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Life without knowledge is death in disguise

by Zoltan from Budapest on Nov 4, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm so not understand this

Yeah I have my own questions about Jack; but why we wanna fire him after EVERY LOSED GAME? The Jags have 9 games left, we are in rebuilding; I simply don’t get this….
PATIENCE guys; PATIENCE!!!!!!

Life without knowledge is death in disguise

by Zoltan from Budapest on Nov 3, 2009 8:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I realize...

it is early in the morning for you, but please put the crack pipe down! Ok, let me give you one really good reason why Jack should be fired:

1. HE HAS ONLY WON ONE PLAYOFF GAME IN SEVEN YEARS!!!!

Is that not enough? Dude, what has Jack given this team? Give me one valid point and I will never post here again. The proof is in the pudding man. You have a coach who has take his team nowhere in seven years. NOWHERE!! This is the only team I know of that can beat a good team one week and then stink it up the next. THE ONLY TEAM!! Hell, at least the bad teams are consistently bad!!

If Jack was winning most of his ball games and losing only a few here and there i’d agree with you, but that’s just not the case. When he had a relatively young and healthy football team they still didn’t go far. So is Jack really the man for this job? Please answer honestly. Are you advocating patience because you think Jack does a really good job? Wake up, my man and smell the coffee.

by Agent 007 on Nov 3, 2009 8:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dallas haven't won a playoff game in this decade too....

And by the way Jack bulit a team that was 3 times a serious playoff contender. 2 times he went to the playoffs.
Ine the 1st time; he made a bad decesion starting Leftwich, but the Jags were loaded with injured players and BB and co use that. In 2007 The Jags were stopped by the New England Patriots in Foxborough; after a very close game. If the Jaguars would win that game (for example with the 2 dropped passes by Northcutt and M. Jones) I belive they would played against the Giants on Superbowl XLI…
Now the window closed. And we wait to open it soon.

Life without knowledge is death in disguise

by Zoltan from Budapest on Nov 3, 2009 8:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

So, the first time he goes to the playoffs they lose the first game and the second time they go they lose the second game but that’s a reason to keep him around?

I remember the game where he started Leftwich over Garrard and even then I questioned his ability to make good coaching decisions. It is simply time to move on.

by Agent 007 on Nov 3, 2009 9:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He has 9 games

If we see improvment with this young team (improvement like a close defeat from NE) at the end of the year; stability at the O-line; no tackling problems. and 7-9 record; he can stay.
If we will blow out against the Dolphins like on Sunday; no improvment in the most areas; and 5-11 record-Gene should think on his replacement!

Life without knowledge is death in disguise

by Zoltan from Budapest on Nov 3, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Remember what division we are in

give JDR a Peyton Manning to compete with every season and he’ll be in those playoffs a lot more often. Really it’s a lot better than an oft injured Lefty.

by Ewdtrey on Nov 3, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sick of waiting

You can preach PATIENCE all the hell you want, the fact remains that this team has sick talent, talent that could bring us to the Superbowl, yet nothing is being done. It is a rebuilding year, but that means there should be improvement, hell if it wasn’t for MJD there would be no running game. We need fresh blood at the helm to rebuild time team. mhhhh Cowher or Holmgren anyone?

by Messina on Nov 3, 2009 9:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cowher will never come here, and Holmgren (and Shanahan and Gruden) have been just as incompetent in the playoffs lately too.

I don’t understand why people don’t understand that the other options out there are just as bad.

In Gene We Trust.

by MoveThoseChains on Nov 3, 2009 9:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have a funny feeling...

That Wayne is already in the process of looking for another head coach. I have a hard time believing anyone would just sit here and let this team slowly die the way it has been.

by Agent 007 on Nov 3, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Holmgren

is a great coach, have you seen what he did in Greenbay, or Seattle? Hell he built the Seahawks from nothing into a Superbowl contender

by Messina on Nov 3, 2009 10:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

how come the Seattle is under .500 wins?

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by TheTealDeal on Nov 3, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We need time Messina

The window of oppurtunity of this team was closed on that playoff game in NEw England in 2007. We need time to that window open again. This team can be a powerhouse within 1-2 years.
I keep repeat PATIENCE until you keep repear “FIRE JACK DEL RIO” at least until end of the season!

Life without knowledge is death in disguise

by Zoltan from Budapest on Nov 3, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jack has had

the time, and he hasn’t produced. This team should have been a powerhouse last season, this season it should have been a wildcard contender, but the coaching is failing this team.

by Messina on Nov 3, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Are we talking about the same team? I want the Jaguars to win as much as you do, but it’s unreasonable to say that we should be a wildcard contender this year. A team with so few holdovers is not expected to be in wildcard contention. Just the fact that we even had the chance to be in wildcard contention was overachieving, with the credit going to the coaching staff. Not only is coaching not failing this team, it has made this team overachieve in many instances.

I can’t understand your expectations. It’s like expecting a sprinter with a broken leg to finish second a week later.

by Kbot on Nov 7, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You know what,

we are talking about the same time. Let’s face it, the coaching has let this team down. I never we wouldn’t be a wild card contender, only that if the current trend cont. we will be on the golf course come Jan

by Messina on Nov 8, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

FIRE JACK DEL RIO!!!!

Zoltan, I read the article you wrote and I seriously think you need to quit hittin’ the crackpipe. Jack’s days are numbered, my friend. If Wayne is a smart business man, he’d take Jack aside and tell him he needs production out of this team or else. I’d actually cut my left nut off to hear that conversation:

Wayne: Jack, the boys are not playing up to their potiential and i’m really concerned.

Jack: Wayne, we will get better.

Wayne: Jack, you’ve been here seven years and we’ve only had one playoff win. I can’t afford to stay the course with this because the losing is hurting ticket sales.

Jack: Wayne, we need to show resolve.

Wayne: Jack, the bottom line is you need to show me why I continue with you as coach. I need to see results, Jack, and I need them right now.

Jack: We need to show resolve and stick together. Our team will fight and we will get better.

Wayne: Jack, are you fuckin’ understanding what i’m telling you?!!! I need wins, fool!

Jack: Wayne, we will get better.

LMAO!!

by Agent 007 on Nov 3, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ha..ha,ha (call the cops)

"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
The Flavour of the Day is Turf. - Courtesy of the Jacksonville Jaguars
Keeper of the "That's what she said"

by TheTealDeal on Nov 4, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Very funny 007!

Sounds like JDR has gone to the Rod Marinelli Speech Clinic. Last year us Lions fans had to put up with a coach who refused to change direction or personnel, game after game, loss after loss, and listen to Rod tell us how good the guys are practicing and we just need to work harder. Some crazy BS about sharpening our shovels and his confidence that the Lions were on the right track. WRONG!

I am glad that Marinelli was not fired midseason so that the fiasco that was 0 and 16 will forever be linked to him.

I know this is hard to take, but I think you need to stick out the year with JDR, then replace him by February 2010 so the new guy and Gene Smith can get on the same page for FAs and the draft. As many have noted, you are in a rebuilding year but could turn it around in 2010 with a few pieces of the puzzle.

by NorthLeft12 on Nov 5, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I actually think it’s smarter to let him finish the year, but make no mistake that he would be GONE as soon as the season ended. I’m talkin’ about maybe an hour or two after the last game! Jack’s sucky-ass coaching style has led us nowhere and the attendance at the games are taking a hit because of it.

FIRE JACK DEL RIO!!

by Agent 007 on Nov 6, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good thing Wayne Weaver doesn’t care what you have to say, because the last time he cared, the guy he fired won a Superbowl for another team.

by Kbot on Nov 7, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sick Talent?

Where exactly? We have maybe 6 or 7 guys who would make the roster of any of the top 5 teams in the league right now. And most of those would only be back-ups. I’m not entirley sure of the coaching, but what this team needs more than anything else is more talent. Lots of it.

Guys I think would make the roster of the good teams: Mojo, Sims-Walker, Mathis, Thomas (maybe), Knighton(depth only), Cox (depth only, and only maybe).

Who would you add to this list, from our pool of “sick talent”?

by KeithG on Nov 3, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry but this team

does not have “sick talent”. At least it doesn’t if you meant that in a good way.

by pksiv on Nov 3, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I haven't posted here all year, but I feel inclined

Sick talent? Are we watching the same Jaguars? If we had sick talent we’d be tackling and scoring at will. Jack’s not to blame for that. We have sick potential, and we’ll get there, we’re headed in the right direction. Remember, Jack is a young coach. He’s gonna improve just as the team will. Maybe if we had an old coach who was stuck in his ways I would be more inclined to agree with you.

This team was completely overhauled, what do you expect? This is rebuilding, and considering that, I’m very happy with where the Jags are at. To me the only disappointment so far this year has been the Seahawks game. But I suppose we should blow up the whole thing half way through the first rebuilding season, that makes total sense.

I’m really disappointed, and this is why I rarely comment here anymore. I used you think Jags fans on this site were smarter than this. It’s rebuilding. And it’s players not plays.

by Nebraska Jag on Nov 3, 2009 10:16 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed completely

This team is seriously lacking in talent. 6 years of crap drafting…. in truth, I’m amazed we are doing as well as we have. There are plenty of teams in the NFL right now with more talent, and worse records.

by KeithG on Nov 3, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ya SICK TALENT

We have, in my opinion the best running back in the league as well as full back in Greg Jones, our WR corp has young talent that we haven’t had since Jimmy Smith in Sims-Walker, Thomas and Dillard, our LB corp can be one of the best, and Mathis is top 5 CB in the league in talent, with Cox developing into a young Mathis. Oh and our 2 rookie tackles in Monroe and Britton, yes I know they haven’t been playing well, but they have the rare talent, no the coaching. JACK IS NOT A YOUNG COACH!!!!! He is the second longest serving head coach in the league, I thought you were smarter than that! Yes its rebuilding but this BS of good one week, shit the next, beating good teams, getting owned by shitty teams doesn’t cut it. Don’t even me “any given sunday” crap, b/c lets face it when you have the TALENT we have, and you almost loss to two 0-6 teams and actually due lost one its sickening. Hell we lost to a win less team last year in Cinn. So get YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT, before you go around saying “I thought Jags fans are smarter than that” crap.

by Messina on Nov 3, 2009 10:44 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Instead of shouting

Why don’t you just name the guys we have that would make the roster of…. lets say the Patriots. They aren’t even that good this year, but who do we have that would start for them?

by KeithG on Nov 3, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My facts are straight

I didn’t say inexperienced, I said young. Jack is 46 years old, and this is his first team, that’s still young. And the fact that all the players with “sick” talent that you named are very young players speaks greatly to the coaching ability of Jack. That he has been able to get that kind of production out of such young players is amazing. Do you really want to be on of those teams that just fires coaches when things are bad (and in this case things really aren’t that bad)? Have we not learned from teams like the Steelers? Do you really want to be the Raiders? Patience! Oh and what kind of response is “Screw the Pats”? That’s a legitimate question. And the answer is probably only 3: MJD, Mathis, and Daryl Smith (maybe 4 with Greg Jones).

by Nebraska Jag on Nov 3, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

The Jaguars have overachieved in many instances, thanks to the coaching staff.

by Kbot on Nov 7, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What the hell have you been smoking?

Can you please share this with the rest of the class?

by Messina on Nov 8, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course. Here, let’s pack up some sense.

by Kbot on Nov 8, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

LMFAO!!! ABSOLUTELY THE BEST COMMENT EVER...

dude… you had me rollin with that one… really clever…

Molōn labe!
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by silencecs on Nov 10, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

According to Vic

There are 17 players on our 53 man roster who were “unwanted” by other teams in the NFL. Of course, this includes players like Torry Holt. But, the fact is… we have a whack of players on our roster who were either taken off other team’s practise squads, or were taken after being cut by other teams. 6 of those 17 started on sunday. So, 6 out of 22 starters are the leftovers from the rest of the NFL.

How is that for sick talent?

by KeithG on Nov 3, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+100

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by silencecs on Nov 10, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

sick talent?

This team has shit (for) talent. MJD on offense. Daryl Smith on defense. Scobee on special teams. Thats it.
You can have your choice of Cowher, Holgren, Gruden, Shanahan and fact is none of them would win with this sorry bunch. Shack Harris destroyed this franchise with 6 years of drafting crap and Wayne Weaver did nothing.

by jagsrealist on Nov 3, 2009 11:56 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

There is no "cause" for firing JDR

Wouldn’t it be to expensive to fire Jack? I bet he’s not going anywhere anytime soon. I wonder if we could trade him to Al Davis and the Raiders for a 2nd round draft pick this year.

Vae Victis!

by viator on Nov 3, 2009 5:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He could probably

help their situation. He would probably scare Al Davis into better picks and benching big boy Jamarcus Russell.

by Ewdtrey on Nov 3, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what is more expensive?

JDR’s salary or the lost revenue each year and each game with our wonderful attendance?

by OGN on Nov 5, 2009 9:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Compounding the two

Would only make it worse for Wayne financially. Unless you believe the next coach hired would bring about a drastic change in attendance. How about Jon Gruden and Tim Tebow? We’ll need two stadiums to hold the overflow. Just thinking about it is about to blow my mind!

Vae Victis!

by viator on Nov 5, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You think people will go to the Jags game because two new guys are on the sidelines?

I always thought real football fans wanted to see a good, winning football team. Maybe not.

by NorthLeft12 on Nov 6, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No

I think it’s funny.

Vae Victis!

by viator on Nov 7, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha, that’s possible too.

by Kbot on Nov 8, 2009 4:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Even I have tempered my Tebow fascination

I don’t want us to draft him…….in the 1st.

I would like us to draft him in the 3rd.

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by TheTealDeal on Nov 8, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a fan

But do I believe that he and Gruden will fill two stadiums. If you buy that, then the advantage is mine. Let’s play poker.

Vae Victis!

by viator on Nov 9, 2009 6:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's exactly my point!!

You may have to lose money to make money! Does that make sense?

by Agent 007 on Nov 6, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They are not

mutually exclusive as you may think.

by Ewdtrey on Nov 12, 2009 2:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Funny...

stuff! You guys sound like George W. Bush with that “stay the course” horse shit! And who was the idiot that said Jack was a young coach? Jack might be 46 years old but I got a 32 year old first-year coach in Denver that would out-coach his ass in a minute. No matter how much you try and rationalize this in your head, Jack has not done anything since he’s been in Jacksonville. One playoff win and nothing else. And you want to preach patience? Dude, it’s been seven damn years!! How much more patient should we be?

by Agent 007 on Nov 3, 2009 11:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

More patient than this

Gruden won no playoff games in his last 6 years. Shanahan won exactly one playoff game in his last 10 years. Holmgren didn’t win a single playoff game (one less than JDR) in his first 6 years with the Seahawks. It took Cowher 14 years to win a Super Bowl. Yet I hear all the time about how any of these coaches would be an upgrade. Really?

Gruden and Shanahan were fired for their inability to do exactly what you’re asking from Jack – consistent success in the playoffs. Holmgren and Cowher benefited greatly from patience from their owners. The Seattle fans wanted Holmgren’s head after the 2002 season. If they’d gotten their wish, Seattle never would’ve made the Super Bowl in the 2005 season.

I didn’t see you on here after Jack thoroughly outcoached and pantsed Jeff Fisher in the first Titans game. So you drew a draw for the season against one of the great minds in all of football…. is that so bad?

In Gene We Trust.

by MoveThoseChains on Nov 4, 2009 1:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good post

You make a lot of sense, to me at least.

Having said that, I still don’t know how good/bad a coach Jack is. The fan’s way to assess it is to look at winning records, play-off wins etc. Which is logical. But, there are a billion other factors involved, aren’t there? If you want to use numbers, you would have to factor in so many things to calculate a “coaches score”: win/loss record relative to roster strength, schedule strength, division strength, injuries to key players etc. etc. Hmmm…. that might acually be an interesting little mathematical model to play with.

by KeithG on Nov 5, 2009 3:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I never said...

Gruden or Shanahan should be our next coach. I know just as well as you do that Gruden couldn’t coach a Pop Warner team to a championship and Shanahan benefited from having Elway and Terrell Davis those years he won the Super Bowl. If you noticed, after those two left he had nothing. I have never been impressed with Shanahan.

Holmgren would seem to be the type of coach this team needs but i’m not sure if he can actually get it done. I like Mike’s no-nonsense approach to coaching.

If I had to choose one guy to pursue aggressively it would be Cowher. I think he demands excellence and I love his coaching style (he actually gets upset when his team isn’t playing up to their potential). Cowher certainly wouldn’t put up with poor tackling, dropped passes, and weak ass QB play. Speaking of the QB, I actually think Garrard would be a decent QB if he actually had time to throw the ball. I will concede he waits sometimes too long to get it out of his hands, but I think he needs a coach to actually get in his face about it. That’s what coaching is…..teaching technique over and over again until you get it right.

As for Jack outcoaching Fisher in the first Titain-Jags game, I don’t think so. Kerry Collins and the boys lost that game for them. They too have issues with tackling, dropped passes, terrible run-defense, and horrific pass-defense. The Titans made alot of huge mistakes in that game and the Jags simply took advantage of them.

So tell me this…what happened at Seattle? You had a QB who was coming off an injury which was very noticeable in the game and he murdered us 41-0! Where was all that coaching then? What happened in the Arizona game? Kurt Warner could have eaten a sandwich back there in the pocket he had so much time to throw the ball. Oh yeah, they spanked that ass too! And the Rams? The Rams haven’t won shit since they had Kurt Warner and what did we do? It took us overtime to put them away.

My point is this….the coach has to have the team ready to play every week. If a team plays bad one week but plays really good for four weeks then I would say they just had a bad game. But when you have a team that plays HORRIBLE every other week, that right there is just bad coaching. Jack knows it, you know it, and every other knucklehead that posts here knows it. I want consistency at the coaching position too. I think it’s better for the team. But Jack has proven that he cannot get it down. Plain and simple.

by Agent 007 on Nov 4, 2009 6:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

All your issues point to the lack of a pass rush

There is no pass rush because our players aren’t good. Period. They suck. Can’t do shit. It will take at least one full draft to fix the defense and probably more. I’m sorry, but there’s nothing Jack or Cowher or Lombardi could do to improve that. You can do all the modifications you want to a Kia Spectra, but in the end it’s still going to lose in a race to a Porsche.

Kerry Collins played alright in that first game. It was the fact that the Titans defense failed so horribly at defending the pass that lost the game. This time they didn’t fail so horribly.

In Gene We Trust.

by MoveThoseChains on Nov 4, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

A lack of pass rush and coaching. But more on coaching. We just don’t have the coaching staff to take these guys to the next level. Jack is only the second head coach in Jaguars history and he hasn’t come close to what Coughlin accomplished when he was here.

You can stay blind to the facts all you want, but anyone who knows (or has ever played) the game of football knows great coaching and the ability of the players to take that coaching is what is necessary to get to the next level.

by Agent 007 on Nov 4, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What players?

There’s a reason so few players remain from previous draft classes. It took a real GM to figure out that they were all flawed prospects from the beginning (unless you think you can teach Reggie Williams how to be fast or Matt Jones how to not love cocaine).

Yet at the same time, there are plenty of players that have achieved a next level under this coaching staff. MJD, Greg Jones, Mathis, Smith, Peterson, Ingram, Durant, Henderson and Stroud (remember, they mostly developed after Coughlin was fired), even Garrard (this version is still better than the meltdown version that lost the last 3 games of 2006)… where there’s been talent, the talent has been developed. The unfortunate problem is that there have been too many players who never should’ve been on the team in the first place.

Look, I understand why you want to blame this abstract concept of coaching. It’s easy to do, there’s little accountability, and it feels good to concentrate your ire on a few people. But really, you’re looking for a quick fix, and there is no quick fix.

In Gene We Trust.

by MoveThoseChains on Nov 4, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh please!!

Abstract concept of coaching?!! WTF?!!! Great coaching is what you see translated on the field when teams like the Saints, the Vikings, and Steelers are winning. Having good players is alot of the equation, but great coaching gets those players ready to battle on Sundays. Players don’t game plan for Sunday, coaches do! Players aren’t calling in the plays to the QB. Coaches do! Players aren’t primarily responsible for ensuring other players learn proper technique when they block. Coaches do!!

Del Rio even said it….it is his responsible to make sure his team is ready to play. He has not done that. You mentioned that he took MJD and the others to the next level. Shit, if my memory serves me correctly, MJD was kickin’ ass when he came into the league. Did you ever see him play at UCLA? He was bad ass!! But I digress…..Del Rio is supposed to take his guys to the next level. That’s his job as the coach. I won’t give him props for doing his job, but I will hold him responsible for when the team isn’t playing at the level it should.

So my stance remains the same. Jack has been a great member of our community but unfortunately he needs to go. The product on the field is shabby and he is getting paid good money to put something better on the field.

by Agent 007 on Nov 4, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Your first paragraph makes me cringe

You’re really going to claim that Brad Childress is a good coach? Really? Those teams win because they have great players. Drew Brees is a monster. The Vikings defense and AP are awesome. The Steelers are the most stable organization in the league, partially achieved through unrelenting patience with their coaching personnel.)

You have your hierarchy of importance completely backwards: coaches don’t play on Sunday, players do. Coaches don’t run the plays, players do. Players are ABSOLUTELY responsible for learning proper techniques, and it’s completely ridiculous for you to claim otherwise. Rookies get a pass, but especially if you’re on a team with proper depth behind you, if you don’t learn proper techniques, YOU ARE GONE. Not the coaches, the player.

You can hold whatever opinion you want about whether or not Jack should be fired, but I just wish you’d gotten there through solid logic instead of…well, everything else that continuously shines through your comments.

In Gene We Trust.

by MoveThoseChains on Nov 4, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd for truth

Player quality is all important. The best coach in the universe can make a team of useless gits play to their full potential, but that quality of play would never be enough to consistently beat teams with higher quality players.

Do we actually have any way, as fans, of assessing whether it was game-planning or execution that leads to losses? I don’t know. But, I’m damn sure JDR did not gameplan for crap tackling, or for Torry Holt to run into an umpire and “cause” an INT. Was it game-planning that almost lead to that Cox INT, or did Vince Young fail to execute what Fisher had planned? Was it a lack of execution that led to Cox dropping that ball, or gameplanning? That over-thrown pass by Garrard to MSW…. game-plnning looked pretty spot on their, lack of execution lost us a TD, and led to an INT.

The next question, of course: is the lack of execution the direct result of coaching? Perhaps. I really don’t know the answer. I suspect it’s got something to do with the players being human, and making mistakes. No video game, this. Coaching must be in their somewhere, but ultimately players can execute, or not. The onus for that excution is on the players.

by KeithG on Nov 5, 2009 2:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm....

The proof is in the pudding. Lets break down the Vikings roster:

Brett Favre – Veteran QB with tons of experience. Has one Super Bowl ring and lots of playoff appearnces.

Adrian Peterson – Without a doubt the best RB in the league. Dude is a beast and will run you over if you get in his way.

Jared Allen – To me the most underrated DE in the league. This dude is a sack monster!

Percy Harvin – Good rookie KR and WR threat. A little rough around the edges but will be an outstanding player with more development.

Visanthe Shiancoe – Good blocking TE who also has pretty good hands.

Now the Jags….

Maurice Jones-Drew – A beast!! This dude could carry a good team all the way to the SB.

Torry Holt – Still has some left in the tank. Good hands and can get open.

Mike Sims-Walker – Definitely on the rise. Probably got tired of sitting on the bench after being injured for so long. He’s David Garrard’s go-to-guy.

Mike Thomas – Built like a running back but has the speed of a WR. We should lock him up long-term because this dude is the next Jerry Rice.

David Garrard – Inconsistent game manager. I would like to give David more props but he’s got to play better. He’s not a bad QB, but i’m not sure if he can take this team all the way.

Marcedes Lewis – Good block, so-so with the hands. Needs to be more consistent with catching the ball, Otherwise, an average TE.

Greg Jones – Very good football player, but the coaching staff needs to play him more. Why have all these RBs if you’re not going to play them?

Derrick Cox – I think this dude has made one or two rookie mistakes all year. Solid CB that we’ll be paying lots of money for in four years.

Rashean Mathis – Pro-Bowler who is pretty consistent. This defense would be shit if he weren’t there…….as proven last Sunday.

Daryl Smith – I love this dude.

Clint Ingram – I love this dude too.

Derek Landri – I really love this dude.

Vince Manuwai – Solid. No complaints here.

So, the Jags have some really good talent on both sides of the ball, yet Minnesota has a better record. To be fair, lets look at our injuries compared to the Vikes:

Reggie Hayward – Not sure if he would have gotten alot of sacks this year. (OUT)

Rob Meier – Good backup DT. (OUT)

Troy Williamson – Was playing really well prior to his injury. (OUT)

The Vikings…..? Well they had more than eight players who were either questionable or probable on their injury report, but only one out for the year.

So, let’s summarize. We have two more players on injured reserve than the Vikes do, the Jags have more better players at skilled positions, and more depth on their team, yet the Vikes have a better record. Well I wonder why that is? Hmmm…..could it be the coaching?

by Agent 007 on Nov 6, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm...

It could just be you don’t know anything about the Vikings. So lets name a few more players in your fashion

-Williams Wall. The two DTs make up the best interior defensive line in the NFL. Add them to Jared Allen and a solid run stuffing end in Ray Edwards, and thats a hell of a front four.

-Chad Greenway, Ben Leber and E.J. Henderson make up an outstanding group of linebackers, all with their own qualities and traits.

-Chester Taylor is the best third down back in the league.

-Bernard Berrian and Sidney Rice make a great duo of outside receivers. Rice has really come on this year, and Berrian is one of the better deep threats in the league.

-Their offensive line as a whole, is once again, best in the league like their D line.

Sounds like they have more talent than us duck.

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by Bestjagfan on Nov 6, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You and your boy...

MoveThoseChains sound like complete idiots. You seriously lost me when you said Bernard Berrian was a deep threat. For real? Is that why Chicago let him leave in free agency?

And Chester Taylor?! His best year as a pro was the 2008 season where he averaged 5.4 yards a carry. He’s been on the decline ever since. 2.7 yards a carry this year with two fumbles and one touchdown. He’s good insurance but he aint no great player.

You named three linebackers and i’ll match you three. You already know who they are.

We could go on and on but the fact of the matter is the Vikings are better coached and they execute better. Plain and simple. The Jags have a ton of talent and I think we would all hate to see it go to waste. We have guys like MJD and MSW who are really good players and I want to see them matched up with a good coaching staff. How much more will we be able to get out of MJD before the injury bug hits him? Wayne Weaver has to strike while the iron is hot…….get a coach that will take these guys all the way while we have those young bodies on the field. Lets not wait any longer.

by Agent 007 on Nov 10, 2009 8:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice try at sounding like you know what you're talking about

See Bestjagfan’s post. And I completely stand by the fact that Brad Childress is a worthless play-caller and a worthless motivator who is incredibly lucky that Favre hasn’t destroyed this team and locker room (yet).

In Gene We Trust.

by MoveThoseChains on Nov 7, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You seriously....

sound like a hater! Their record speaks for itself. Worthless play-caller? HA! That’s fuckin’ hilarious. What’s really hilarious is you actually had the audacity to put that comment up there. Why not give credit where credit is due? Brad Childress is responsible for his team’s performance. If his play-calling was so bad, why are they winning games? Last time I checked, they only had one loss. Worthless play-caller? Worthless motivator? Well if he’s worthless I want him coaching my team! He might be a worthless coach, but somehow he has his team on the way to the playoffs. Where will the Jags be this year? Where were they last year? Don’t ever write stuff like that again because you make yourself look like a jackass!

by Agent 007 on Nov 10, 2009 8:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good grief

Are you being serious?

by KeithG on Nov 7, 2009 3:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well said. These “Fire the coach” rants, their accompanying logic, and unrealistic expectations are annoying.

by Kbot on Nov 7, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The accompanying logic

is pretty damn sound. As for unrealistic expectations how so? It is asking too much o have a coach that has been with the team for 7 seasons get us more than a single playoff win?

by Messina on Nov 8, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Expecting a rebuilding team with more new players than old to be a wildcard contender is unreasonable.

by Kbot on Nov 8, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think

.. you might be misunderstanding the meaning of the term “logic”. It’s not the same as “wishful thinking”.

by KeithG on Nov 11, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Kbot....

FIRE JACK DEL RIO!!!!!!!

by Agent 007 on Nov 10, 2009 8:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Players NOT plays.

When we get some quality players then we decide whether Coaching is lacking. The reason why we are inconsistant and borderline mediocre is because of the youth and the last vestiages of crap from Shack.

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by TheTealDeal on Nov 4, 2009 5:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Haha, no shit

I encourage people to get some conversation going at the end of all of my posts, and I only get 10 comments. Messina, whats your secret bro?

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by Bestjagfan on Nov 4, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He is write about something

which is on many people’s mind no matter which side they stand on the subject.

Life without knowledge is death in disguise

by Zoltan from Budapest on Nov 4, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he knocks on wood

Kinda like Tkopa does with Tebow, haha

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by TheTealDeal on Nov 4, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...lol

Just like Zoltan said, I write about something that’s on everyone’s mind, not saying what you write isn’t lol. I try to response to all the good posts, but I don’t always have the time.

by Messina on Nov 5, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks,

I love this team, and it’s nice to have found an avenue to share my passion with other Jag fans, regardless on whether they have the same opinion.

by Messina on Nov 5, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs


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