3-3 felt different, but I think we've seen this 3-4
by Jonathan Loesche on Nov 3, 2009 6:07 PM EST
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All through the bye week, the sentiment was that this 3-3 was radically different from the 3-3 record the 2008 Jaguars posted. This team's arrow is pointing up, last year's was down. Despite having the same record, it was clear these were two very different teams.
However, a similar challenge lay ahead for both teams. In 2008, the Jaguars were to play the win less Cincinnati Bengals and Cleveland Browns. It seemed simple enough, win those two games, along with a trip to Detroit, and the ship is righted. In 2009, the Jaguars had to go to winless Tennessee and then come home to play the 1-6 Chiefs. Win those two games and at 5-3, we could officially say this team was a real contender.
In 2008, a disaster occurred. The team went up to Cincinnati and proceeded to lay an egg that would even make a Kiwi cry in pain. It was the de facto last game for Mike Peterson, the player who perhaps embodied all the positive qualities of the Jack Del Rio era. That was followed by another loss to Cleveland, and everyone knows the rest of that story.
This year, the Jaguars went to Nashville to take on an 0-6 Tennessee team that they had just beaten 37-17 a few weeks earlier. A win would've guaranteed the Jaguars a non-losing divisional record for the first time in years and set them up for a potential playoff run. Again, a massive egg was laid, though no one outside of Nashville and Northeast Florida noticed because of Brett Favre.
Once again the Jaguars were handed a seemingly golden opportunity and proceeded to give a collective "eh." Things like what happened on Sunday is why this town seems so apathetic towards this team. If it doesn't help itself, then why should the town help it?
What is it about this team that makes it always go the opposite of where you think it's going. Play well against the Colts, blown out by Arizona. Win back to back divisional games only to struggle since. It's simply maddening that this team can't be figured out week to week.
Whether it was the play-calling, the line play, the quarterback play, things have to turn around somehow. I forgot who said it, but someone on this site described last year's scenario as "Test taken, test failed." Right now, the Jaguars are on the border between a D- and F. If they want a passing grade, they'll need to take care of business against the Chiefs.
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Because now everyone
is thinking the jaguars are a weak team, now tey will blow out the Chiefs.
By the way get the news: Chris Chambers is now Chief!!!!!!
If you think you just worry about Dwyain Bowe on the weekend…I know he is not THAT Chris Chambers but with this secondary I have some concerns…
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Nov 3, 2009 6:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The bruised and bloodied horse must die.
Even a cursory examination of our drafting under the Harris regime reveals the cause of the epidemic referred to above. For a similar case study, see Oakland.
The Teal and Black are comin' back!
by arthardie on Nov 3, 2009 7:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Anybody thinking...
We could really lose this game against the Chiefs. I think it is going to be a dogfight.
Also.
It’s time to move on. JDR has got to go. The guy is 2-5 after bye, and has won no division titles. Here we are in basically the second rebuilding of his tenure. When are we going to complement our new GM with a guy who can coach?
When we eventually go 2-14 one year?
by Slvrgun on Nov 3, 2009 7:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Complementing new GM with a new coach...
….nicely put. That’s a solid argument that could be supported with solid reasoning as to a fresh start all the way around. A Josh McDaniels style coach could be needed to spark emotion and fire in the new, young Jaguars.
The Teal and Black are comin' back!
by arthardie on Nov 3, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Vic won't answer my question but I think coaches have a lot to do with how teams play.
Yeah we know the players not plays thing Vic always says.
We know the coaches don’t tackle, catch, run, or rush the passer.
But if they can’t be held accountable then what exactly do they do?
Watch grown men play football from the sidelines?
Jack needs to go. You want to completely rebuild this team? GUT EVERYTHING and START OVER.
by Slvrgun on Nov 3, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not a Josh McDanielsish coach
All things considered, I really think Gruden would be the best hire
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by Jonathan Loesche on Nov 3, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gruden is probably just what we neeed.
Would be a great interim coach, unless he could prove himself off the bat.
by Slvrgun on Nov 3, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jacksonville has a rugby team...
can we send Nelson and a few other Jaguars to train with them for a week on how to tackle?
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by JagsNguyen on Nov 3, 2009 9:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That would help
Here is a little fact for NFL fans that don’t know much about rugby: in rugby, any attempted tackle that does not involve use of the arms is illegal, and an instant penalty.
Imagine how much better our secondary would tackle if they were FORCED to use their arms.
by KeithG on Nov 4, 2009 3:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but it also helps that
the runner in Rugby isn’t wearing pads or a helmet and usually doesn’t lower his head to help him run guys over…
I used to live in NZ and have attended many Rugby matches, both local Wellington Matches as well as All Blacks vs England and Australia international matches and I don’t care about the reputation, they don’t hit nearly as hard as they do in the NFL.
by pksiv on Nov 4, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Correct
But I’m working on the assumption that getting the guy down is more important than putting in a big hit.
For me, big hits are great to watch…. but I’d rather have a defense that STOPS a guy than a defense that either completely whacks the guy, or lets him go for a TD. Honestly, the D stopping the runner/receiver is all I want. I don’t care if there is not one single “big hit” for the rest of this year, as long as they don’t allow another long run, or another long YAC.
Defense is about stopping them. Big hits are a bonus, but your primary job as a defender is to stop them.
by KeithG on Nov 5, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Another thing to add
As a NZ dude, did you ever watch the old springbok flyhaly Henri Honiball? There was a guy that was theoretically too light to tackle well. He was tall and skinny, sort of like Matt Jones. But, every rugby player that played against him feared him. Determination and technique allowed him to completely flatten anyone that came his way, no matter what their size or speed. He was not even trying to hit hard. It’s just something that happened by combining the 2 things: technique and the will to defend.
by KeithG on Nov 5, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When I lived there 2001-2003
Jonah Lomu was one of the most feared players they had. He was on the downside of his career but he was a beast.
One thing I really loved about Rugby in NZ was that Jonah was like a National Treasure yet he played in 2 different leagues/teams (Wellington Hurricanes and Lions) and the National All Blacks.
by pksiv on Nov 5, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
OK, sorry… I’m having fun with this. Here is a YouTube clip with some rugby big hits. It’s obviously sort of a highlights clip, so it’s not necessarily indicitative of the avergae rugby game. But, there are some big hits in rugby too. without the pads and helmets.
by KeithG on Nov 5, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Bright Side is we'll have better draft picks,
The bad thing is that we must bear through another crap season.
(alternative) We can get Tebow!
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by TheTealDeal on Nov 3, 2009 9:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I have to disagree with you
in that it’s hard to compare this year’s team to last year’s team simply because we should have gone into this season with different expectations. Last year, we expected the Jaguars to do well, to be at the top of the NFL, to possibly contend for our first Superbowl title. But this year, anyone who had high expectations of this team doesn’t really understand the meaning behind a rebuilding year.
When you’re starting the number of rookies the Jags are, when your pass defense is non-existent, you can’t have expectations. I don’t think this season is so much about our final record as it is about how we improve over the course of the season.
I do think that the loss to the Titans was beyond disappointing and was not indicative of the kind of progress we’d hope to see at this point, but we have to remember that the Jaguars are a young team and are not going to instantly contend again.
Sure, we got excited at the prospect of possibly making a run at the playoffs, but how realistic was that in the long run?
I think that comparisons between this year’s record and last year’s record are useless and unproductive because the teams came into the season with entirely different expectations. No, the Jaguars aren’t where any of us hoped they would be after the Titans loss, but it’s too soon to judge where this team will ultimately be in the future.
by Carly on Nov 4, 2009 10:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
"If it doesn't help itself, then why should the town help it?"????????
If you post garbage like that, you should be only allowed to post in the Fan Post section, not on the main page. Get real.
by jimbrophoto on Nov 4, 2009 1:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I used to like this site
It used to contain well written articles and interesting information. Now, it’s really just becoming a bitter bitch session.
And I’m not looking for people to put a positive spin on everything but one week Dirk K is a genius, the next he’s an idiot. One week we’re going to the playoffs the next week everyone should be fired.
There are over 20 new players on this years roster. We’re starting as many as 4 rookies. We lost our best DE the first week of the season. The offensive line is almost as bad as it was last year. I don’t care who you are, if you can’t realize that an offense will only go as far as its offensive line that you have no business writing about football.
by pksiv on Nov 4, 2009 2:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by Bestjagfan on Nov 4, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is exactly what I wrote
if you can’t realize that an offense will only go as far as its offensive line that you have no business writing about football.
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by Tkopa on Nov 4, 2009 3:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry about the plagiarism
it wasn’t intended. I’m very tired and I guess I couldn’t come up with an original thought and yours popped into my head. :-)
But I definitely agree with you!
by pksiv on Nov 4, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still laughing at myself...
I can’t believe I unintentionally parroted your statement. And to be so damn exact. Time to take a nap.
by pksiv on Nov 4, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You wrote the line
We shared the thought. I was agreeing with you.
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