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I really don't think Jack Del Rio threw David under the bus for play calling. I think he said we are going to help him more. If anything, he admitted the coaching mistake. I know it is fashionable to "Fire Del Rio" right now, but this is not the reason.

I still like the progress of Derrick Harvey. I think he is becoming a better and smarter player. Remember, he didn't play football until his junior year in high school and then only three years in college. All of this is still new to him. My fear is that he will learn the game very well in his fourth year and then be a valuable free agent. I just think Jack should have called him out with John Henderson. Derrick cost this team a lot and I am convinced the Mike Peterson and Fred Taylor decisions were financial decisions required to pay for Harvey. Expect him to play well, demand he play well, and I think he will respond. I just don't like the thought of lowering expectations. Derrick is better than that comment implies.

I still say David is taking too much punishment and will not last at this rate. David doesn't do everything right, but when he is on, he is very good. Look at it this way; he is not a third string quarterback like the guy he replaced. I just cringe at the physical toll he is taking this year.

Star-divide

May I return to Jack Del Rio for a moment if you don't mind? My biggest complaint against him is his talent evaluation. He had a seat at the table of every draft. He had a hand in most of the personnel decisions. He let good coaches go over his time. Last year, when Jack had the "juice", we suffered the biggest most devastating blunders in personnel ever. That is my complaint. We would be a better team if we had a better GM and he didn't listen to Jack. Jack may be a better coach than talent evaluator but he might not get the chance to prove that.

Jacksonville's attendance problems are not unique to this city. The NFL is in trouble on a lot of fronts and we just happen to be obvious. I feel bad for Wayne Weaver; I just think a lot of people have let him down over the years. I don't think there is a better intended or nicer man in the NFL than he is. I do, however, think there are better football owners. So the question is, do I want an SOB owner who wins or Wayne Weaver and a mediocre team? I want Wayne Weaver and a winner, I want it all.

Bad as this may sound; I am actually ok with the progress of the Jaguars this year. We are perilously close to disaster and only have a few good players, but who we have are really good. If Jack delivers 7 wins this year as a bottom feeder team and Gene gets another year to work personnel then we are moving. This is the climb from the bottom. It will take some time to accomplish. Fix the offensive line and the offense will look great. Fix the defensive line and the defense will look great.

Tra Thomas disappointed me last game and I am solid in the Eugene Monroe camp now. At $19 million, let Eugene take the heat.

I hope we get off this "In Gene We Trust" kick soon. Gene is doing a nice job but he will make mistakes. We need to let him off the pedestal now rather than push him off and stomp him later. He is good at his job, but not infallible. Give the guy room to be human.

Does anyone other than me think Vic Ketchman has lost something this year? I have been very disappointed in his responses to readers and choice of questions. I just sense a real disenchantment with this city and the people. I really find including the Gators in his power poll insulting. Florida is enjoying unprecedented success as a school with a real student athlete leader to look up to. Why is that so hard to recognize and celebrate?

While I am on this note, does anyone other than me miss Chris Harris writing for the site? His wit and insight was the attraction of BCC and I miss hearing from him.

In closing, I think the NFL in general has fallen far from its roots and has not put a good product on the field in a number of places. The Jaguars are not great, but they aren't Tampa Bay or Oakland either. I don't know what the NFL has done to itself, but this current crop of owners better get their act together. Baseball is beginning to outdraw football on television and that is a big red flag. Meanwhile, I will see you at the game!

 - Terry O'Brien

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Oh Terry you giving me no rest!

Now here is my reaction point by point:

Garrard and Jack and the playcalling-If we would won; this would be a no issue. So I’m not take it seriously so much.

Harvey: Well I’m not optimistic about him. Sorry. Untill he proves me otherwise he is a big bust-because the jaguars gave 5 picks for trading him up and the result is 0. Sorry; he need to start sack the QB or trade him until you could (Reggie Williams anyone?)

Hitting David: Major concern! The left side of the O-line is an shaky territory (to say the least). If Monroe (or Thomas) cannot protect him; I might start to join the pick a QB wwith the 1st rounder group-And I’m hate that idea…

Jack’s talent evaluation. He was good in the earyl phases. No I don’t feel so much that just yet. Maybe it will change even in this season

Yeah agree 3-4 is a good record for a rebuilding team. But slowly I think that our record is waaay better then the team is. Our D is terrible other then 4-5 players. Deadlast at sacks (5 in 7 games are you kidding me-we might have 15 in whole year-Jared Allen alone will have more-can we trade the 5 picks to him instead of Harvey please???…)
All eyes on the offense now; and becaus we are inconsistent still it is veeeery tough to predict the jags. Plus I don’t like the way we lose game.. I knew that will be an L in the middle of the 3rd Quarter last sunday…But I’Mortimistic and I think The jaguars can manage to reach the 7-9/8-8 goal.

Thomas has one gooood game against the Titans on Week 4-other then that…well he is aged-“It’s a young mens game” Vic K. We need to start Monroe; although the matchup against Tamba Hali orries me even more then Bowe against the secondary….

Gene too made already mistakes-the biggest was signing the terrible Brian Russell…(In retrospect-I Know he is on IR) I would kept B-Dub….
Ticketsales: I agree. The NFL is blind, if they joking aand making fun over us because of the unsold tickets. Yeah in Phily or Dalls you have to need a miracle to get tickets. But nearly halűf of the league is struggling I guess. This is not the booming 90S. This is the crisisfull times of the end of the 2000’s. People should get that!

Vic is might got sick with the hatemails. I cannot blame him. I would been enough of that until now; and he still still doing it. I think he is starting to get tired from some elements of these days NFL. I think if the Jaguars have a big run; Near Superbowl or Superbowl -within 5 years-he will quit the business. I think he is waiting the last big storyy sadly.
I keep him as my NFL mentor. I have since then new mentors (For example many BCC members starting we guys like You Terry (and Chris&John&Collin); and guys like Jeff Lageman. But he have big role that I’M such a hardcore Jaguars fan today-so he will remain special-no matter that sometimes I disagree with him!

Oh yeah we need more River City Rage posts. I know he is probably veeery busy, but He is one of the Fantastic Four! We need more stuuf from Mr. Christopher Harris!

Yeah owners like J.Jones; D. Snyder will do everything to kill the NFL. I hope Goddell will be watching close. If this will be the big market teams sport-NFL will lose it’s NR 1 status soon. They should think like Jville mentality; not dallas-but I see less and less hope for that. MY obnly hope is-Jacksonville will be an NFL city for a veeeeery long time

(Sorry about my mistypings but it’s 5: 30 AM and I’m started too feeel the pain of being awake for long)

GREAT READ TERRY!!!!!!!!! THANKS VERY MUCH!!!!!

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by Zoltan from Budapest on Nov 4, 2009 11:30 PM EST reply actions  

We need to chill

on Brian Russell being a bad pick up. It’s my belief that he was signed to be a special teams guy that happened to be the next guy in line after injuries to Mathis and Considine. Either way, I’d rather have Tyron back there.

by Ewdtrey on Nov 5, 2009 3:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh and by the way

Can we expects some words from your mysterious man of wisdom; John in the near future???

(Sidenote: Oh my how many splling and somtime gramatic errors I made in the long one… I’M tired)

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by Zoltan from Budapest on Nov 4, 2009 11:53 PM EST reply actions  

Good post!

I agree with much of what you said. Unlike most here, amd Zoltan, I’m quite optimistic about Harvey. He sheds blocks and he hits hard. He is making progress. I think Shack Harris did the guy a severe disservice by trading away so much for him that the average Jags fan will never accept his play level as “meeting expectations”.

I’m been dissappointed in the overall o-line play, but I’m not sure who is fault. I expected more from this group of talented players. Whether David holds the ball too long or not, they contribute to his getting whacked too hard and too often. I don’t see him lasting the season.

Gene smith has deen a pretty decent job, although some of his free agent signings still reman to be -evaluated. He will make mistakes, every single GM/talent scout does. But, as long as he has more hits than misses, you is doing his job well.

Vic, I think has had to deal with too much “crap” from Gator fans this year. I think he has lost his cool completely. Did anyone listen to the JDR show on tuesday evening? Some guy phoned in to speak to Jack and at one point said something to the effect of (I’m paraphrasing now) :“you must remember, this is a gators town… we are used to a dynamic, exciting type of football where all the players are playing with commitment… why cant the Jags play like them?” When fans start holding the gators up as shining example of how NFL teams should play, well…. Lets face it, the Buccanneers would probably put 70+ points up on the Gators, but the Jags must play like them. Huh.

I’m still not sure if the team’s record makes the Jags look better than they are, or if 2 appalling games has made us think they are worse than they are. But, I accept that this is a re-building year, and there have been plenty of very promising signs for the future.

by KeithG on Nov 5, 2009 2:21 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed on Harvey

I also think he’s progressing well and after watching a few games… he gets double teamed A LOT and when that’s the case then someone else on the line or the linebackers need to step up and take advantage. I think this is where we miss Hayward… expect Gene to pick up a DE in FA and maybe even keep Hayward for depth.

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by JagsNguyen on Nov 5, 2009 7:17 AM EST reply actions  

Count me in the Chris is missed crowd

I believe we touched on almost all of this last night so I’ll just focus on Vic and Gene.

Gene is a good GM, though I believe I pointed out a few months back it seemed this site wanted to put a 100 ft gold statue of him outside the stadium. Let’s at least wait until he builds a Super Bowl team.

On Vic, I think he’s just grown tired and detached this season. If the conversations I have with people when I tell them I help run a Jags blog go anything like what Vic get’s in emails every day, I can relate. There’s a serious disconnect in this city and it must be hard to be one of the lightning rods for it.

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by Jonathan Loesche on Nov 5, 2009 7:50 AM EST reply actions  

I have other issues with JDR. You’re correct that he isn’t a talent eval guy. But I also think he’s just another mediocre at best coach. “Audible gate” and the latest Tenn game is a perfect example.

In week 4 – we had a good gameplan and good execution and the result was a beatdown win. Now, coming out of the bye week, we were unprepared. It was obvious that this team did not self scout very well to change things up – they just hit the repeat button from week 4. Did it ever occur to JDR and gang that Tenn MIGHT make some adjustments to that? Hence my self scout comment and poor anticipation on what Tenn might do defensively. On offense, it was no mystery at all – we just have a shit D.

Also, JDR and gang didn’t reconginize that Tenn was baiting David? How do pro coaches miss that? How is that not a point of communicaiton in game? And why were there NO adjustments in game to deal with the issue?

This probably goes a long way to explaining his “awesome” divisional record year in and year out.

by OGN on Nov 5, 2009 9:00 AM EST reply actions  

They did notice it

which is why they told Garrard to stop calling audibles and just hand the ball off.

A bigger question is why didn’t Garrard notice it ?

by pksiv on Nov 5, 2009 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I can't say that I'm pleased with the progress

but it could be worst. I think Gene Smith has been a great addition to this team, and its not so much that he has made mistakes, its more like players have lets us down. I was never the biggest fan of signing Tra Thomas considering his age, but ANYTHING was better than Barnes ( I HATED HIM!!!). Tra I think is just being affected by his age, and the age of the defenders he needs to block.

by Messina on Nov 5, 2009 9:32 AM EST reply actions  

I have to change the title - Paul Kuharsky keeps posting me
Terry O’Brien’s aimless musings and shallow thoughts on the Jaguars.

That just sounds so silly to me.

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by Tkopa on Nov 5, 2009 10:12 AM EST reply actions  

Congratulations Terry!!!!

Well deservd mention by P. Kuharsky

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by Zoltan from Budapest on Nov 5, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

great Article

JDR didn’t throw David under the bus if all he said was the truth and why did David not see what the Titans were doing.
Derrick Harvey is improving but he has a long way to go maybe we should have traded for Jarred Allen.
The Oline is young and gaining experience , Tra Thomas was suppose to be a stop gap tackle but then we got Monroe and all that changed they will get better with time.
Our GM is doing a good job cleaning up 5 years of bad drafting. He will need at least 2 more drafts and get limited free agents. There is a reason they are free agents either to old, slow or attitude, there are some who are good players just with the wrong team.
 I also miss a lot of the post from different readers I have been on the sight about a year or so and have gotten great and useful info from all

Armand Riendeau

by ARMJAG on Nov 5, 2009 12:24 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah I did

I just noticed that in the article Chris Harris was highlighted, so curiosity forced me to click it. Go ahead and try it.

by Adam Stites on Nov 5, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

That definitely threw me off at first too.

I didn’t know Chris’s last name.

In Gene We Trust.

by MoveThoseChains on Nov 5, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Just a thought on Vic

Vic’s probably having a tough year. Remember the Tebow debates that have been on this site? Now imagine getting several hundred e-mails a day, I’m sure Tebow’s name will be brought up along with a lot of hate, a lot of excuses, and not much optimism. I imagine a very large percentage of questions/comments are negative, and eventually its going to grind on you.

We, as a society, are angry people. And even if you don’t allow yourself to get angry eventually there will be days where that anger drains you.

That or he’s just gotten old…

Ignore the hype; look at the results.

by harperslaw on Nov 5, 2009 2:20 PM EST reply actions  

Thank you

Some teams report attendance differently. I believe Tampa Bay is tickets sold but actual attendance may be lower. In fact, the Glazers may be buying some of them.

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by Tkopa on Nov 5, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

But ESPN

is still focusing on us…

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by Zoltan from Budapest on Nov 5, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Garrard

Watching last Sunday’s game I realized for the first time that one of David’s biggest problem is his vision. Vision is underrated in so many areas … it’s a big part of what makes a great fighter pilot, and what makes a great QB. His eyes don’t move fast enough, and his periphial vision isn’t as good as the Mannings and Bradys of the world. It forces him to focus on one, maybe two receivers max, and hold the ball too long waiting for them rather than going to third and fourth options. I don’t know if there are drills or exercises you can do to improve these things, but I’m convinced it’s a big issue.

Just saw on ESPN that the guy who shot Rich Collier got convicted. Something to be thankful for. God bless you Rich.

by ruffdaddy on Nov 5, 2009 10:12 PM EST reply actions  

I just want to throw this out there

If we perform well on the defensive line this Sunday and we get a few sacks, please do not start preaching about how we are improving or may be improving. Kansas City’s offensive line is just that bad.

by Blair72 on Nov 6, 2009 12:01 PM EST reply actions  

Completly agree

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by Zoltan from Budapest on Nov 6, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I like what Vic said today about the up and down nature of the team

What exactly have been the up parts ? Beating STL and TEN when they were both win less ? I guess you could say beating HOU but since when do we really consider that a big deal ?

This team is not very talented right now and we should be happy that we’ve won 3 games.

by pksiv on Nov 6, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually just read that

Vic made some very good points today, and I agreed with all of them. Regardless of what people say, I do believe Vic cares a lot about this city and he truly and wholeheartedly wants to see the city build a fanbase around the team so the team doesn’t move.

by Blair72 on Nov 6, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course

And by the way-those who are critical with him should fill he shoes on one week after a lost game like last Sunday. And he still have humor; still do his job!
Big respect to him!

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by Zoltan from Budapest on Nov 6, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Thoughts on Vic

I’ve been reading Vic for the last couple of years and this year I really feel for him. All offseason he told us to temper our expectations, that this team will need time. He told us the talent level wasn’t that great, so did PK when he was interviewed by Vic at training camp. How frustrated would you be with a fan base that complains about the Jaguars struggles when you’ve tried to warn that same fan base months before it would happen? I think sometimes people forget is a human being and want to take out there frustration on him because he GIVES them that oppurtunity to do so. People also forget that the column is called “Ask Vic”, not tell Vic how things are or should be. I think people should think about the questions they ask and if that very same WHINEY question a million times before. The great thing about Ask Vic is we, the fans, make the column work. I wouldn’t say Vic has fallen off, but we give him nothing but negativity to work with.

by Jagtastic on Nov 6, 2009 12:38 PM EST reply actions  

Understood

But the Florida Gator mocking should be beneath him

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by Tkopa on Nov 6, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Growing up in south Florida...

I was a Miami fan first, but I cheered for all 3 Major Florida schools. Then I moved to Jacksonville after College and the constant stream of UF trash talking solidly turned me against that school and now I actually dislike them MORE than the Yankees.

If you were receiving dozens or possibly hundreds of emails with a unreasonable UF bias, many of them downright nasty, I’m pretty sure you’d probably turn against them as well.

by pksiv on Nov 6, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

i just find him annoying and grumpy

people have the right to be pissed off…i understand him ripping on dumb questions but the majority of ask vic isn’t serious…just him delivering smart ass answers with very little insight

by jlana24 on Nov 6, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

I would like to see the Gator questions to stop being asked as much. Also I think Vic throws the Gators in his “All-Important Power Rankings” to be funny. He’s trying to lighten the mood of the column, like when he wouldn’t take the asterick off of the Patriots during their 16-0 season.

Coach Crennel, if all of your Coors Lights can talk what happens when you open your fridge? There's generally "Hoopla" involved.

by Jagtastic on Nov 6, 2009 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

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