Playing Gene Smith
The first round of the NFL draft is underway and Jacksonville is on the clock, here are your choices:
- Aaron Curry, Middle Linebacker from Wake Forest.
- BJ Raji, Defensive Tackle from Boston College
- Malcolm Jenkins Corner back from Ohio State
- Michael Oher Left Tackle from Mississippi
- Mark Sanchez Quarterback from USC
Here is the new operating philosophy; we select players that have proven they can play the position. We are not reaching or hoping or remaking anyone. Character is also a major decision criterion. We seek a home run draft and will go with Best Available over Need Based. So let's break it down:
Mark Sanchez, the QB coming out early from USC. Mark has one season as the starting QB for USC. This isn't even the same experience as a single NFL season. Great production in the Rose Bowl and great stats as a starter, but even Pete Carroll can't speak for his decision to come out. This is much too much risk and we pass on Mark.
BJ Raji, Wow what a Senior Bowl this DT had. His 2008 season for Boston College was great. His weight tends to float upward and has to fight to keep it under 350. Where was he in 2007? He sat out the entire season for academic reasons. BC is a good school but not that tough. Got frustrated against Central Michigan and threw a punch at a player, had to be suspended for a bit of the next Clemson game. All in all a good prospect, but just have to question whether the positives are strong enough to outweigh the character and intelligence concerns. As much as we need a DT, BJ doesn't have 8th selection value and we vote to pass.
Michael Oher, is the very athletic Left Tackle from Mississippi. Wow, the needs based drafting urge is strong now. This guy has the size, the strength and he can move. He does get down field and take out linebackers if he needs to. It is so tempting, since he made first team SEC as a Junior and Senior. The problem here is he played only one year on the offensive line in High School and was switched to tackle in his sophomore year of college. None of his coaches stayed long enough to teach him the position. He has three years experience as a left tackle and has a lot to learn, an offensive line version of Derrick Harvey. He has the potential to grow into the position in the pros and he is dedicated to learning, but it is a risk. Any other year, maybe, but we can't risk another first round development project. Vote to pass.
Aaron Curry the outside linebacker from Wake Forest. He chose Wake Forest for the academic quality and plans to go to law school. Was the High School conference defensive player of the year with 123 tackles. All-freshman ACC selection with 45 tackles. Started outside linebacker as a sophomore averaging almost 5 tackles a game and 83 total tackles. As a junior he was second team all-American with 99 tackles and as a senior had 105 tackles and received the Butkus award as the nation's top linebacker. A proven talent, good work ethic, intelligent and strong character. Aaron can't be ruled out.
Malcolm Jenkins, is the CB from Ohio State. Malcolm was a starter for three years in high school as a receiver and defensive back. The team won the State Championships every year, and Malcolm received all-state honors as a defensive back in his senior year. Also was the State Champion in track. Cracked into the line-up for Ohio State as a freshman in nickel situations and started three games as a freshman. As a sophomore was first team all Big Ten as a corner with 55 tackles (40 solo). Finished his college career as the Thorpe award winner as top collegiate defensive back. Considered one of the rare shutdown corners with receiver hands and running ability. .He can play man to man and will come up in run stopping situations. He is not afraid of contact and is intelligent with good character. Malcolm has seven years experience in the position at a Championship level of play and has been recognized as a top player at every level he played.
... And with the eighth selection the Jacksonville Jaguars select Malcolm Jenkins Cornerback from Ohio State.
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Are we moving down three spots?
I think it would be great if we could and pick up another 3rd. What is your insight?
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that's where I am parked as well
Gene can’t take the risk.
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I like Oher better than any of those
Plus I wonder about Malcolm Jenkins considering he got beat like a drum against USC and LSU.
You also forgot with Sanchez using him as leverage in a trade to a team like the Jets, Vikes, etc
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by Jonathan Loesche on Feb 12, 2009 8:09 AM EST reply actions
You might be right
Gene has the con. i will be very excited to see how he executes.
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So you think we should draft for other teams?
Do you really believe we should select first round draft picks based on who else might want them?
and this makes perfect sense to you?
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No
I think you’re misunderstanding him. If the Jaguars act like they are interested in Sanchez and go to his workouts etc. then when the #8 pick comes the teams that want a QB will want to trade up and get in that spot before the Jaguars draft him which almost definitely wont happen.
by Adam Stites on Feb 13, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
That would work
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Yeah, as I said in my scouting report
Sanchez is much more a worm on a hook for the Jaguars. Now I mean, the Jags COULD draft Sanchez and essentially hold him hostage, but that would get REALLY ugly.
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by Jonathan Loesche on Feb 14, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
If Sanchez is considered a top ten pick...
That means the Jaguars should be able to go backwards. I’m rooting for all the quarterbacks to have a kick ass combine for that very reason…
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by River City Rage on Feb 12, 2009 9:13 AM EST reply actions
NOOOO
The Jets are the one who fouled up the contracts in the top ten last year with Ghoulston, they’re the only team I don’t want in front of us…
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by River City Rage on Feb 12, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Let's hope
the Jets go after Leftwich or Cassel instead of finding their new starting QB via draft. I agree, they would screw the contracts like with Gholston last year.
And to answer the the original question, I would ick Oher. We need a LT, if he is avaible, then pick him.
by Zoltan from Budapest on Feb 12, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
if we traded with them then it wouldn't matter because we'd be out of the top ten...
the big contracts would be behind us… The more teams that need QBs the better odds we can get more in a trade for the pick, that’s all I’m saying… Plus it means one more team may be looking for a big time QB to make an immediate impact. Flacco and Ryan both set the stage for teams to think they can turn it around with just a QB, thereby increasing our trade value.
That and a QB signing wouldn't have too much of an impact on the contract of another position
It would still have some weight but not the same as last draft because it was for the same position
by Adam Stites on Feb 12, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
If Gene Smith picks a cb....
with the 8th pick, I will be disappointed. We could have Deion and Champ Bailey at the corners but without any kind of pressure, they’ll get beat all day long. I’ve never been too high on taking a wr or db with a pick in the top half of the 1st round, but I know there are exceptions. Hopefully, Sanchez will still be available and someone will trade up with us to get him. One point about Raji, missing the year because of academic reasons doesn’t necessarily equate to a lack of intelligence. As with punching an opponent, I think it may be more of a lack of discipline and he seemed to rebound nicely last year. I think I would take him before Jenkins because of a combination of need and BAP.
Have to disagree on BJ
Blowing a year of academics and punching people isn’t a discipline problem, it is a stupidity problem.
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sorry to say, but
missing a year to acedemic reasons does equate to a lack of intelligence. If you’ve been to college… let’s face it… jocks get the pass ( a baseball pro in my experience). Punching an opponent… and you want to sign the guy for 8-10 million? A duck is a duck. Come on dude… get on board.
Dude, just because you say it...
don’t make it true. When did you go to college? Although there are exceptions to the rule, today’s college athletes aren’t handed grades like they were in the past. They may take easy courses but the colleges have too much to lose to be handing out grades that aren’t earned. Doing good in college academics is less about intelligence and more about perseverance, commitment, and applying one’s self. As far as punching an opponent, football is a violent game, especially on defense, and you’re going to hold one incident against the guy? You think Ray Lewis might have punched somewhere along the line?
BAP
I’m not sure I see Malcolm Jenkins as the BAP out of that group. It doesn’t matter because it sounds like we’ll be trying to recoup value and get out of the top 10 anyhow.
Jenkins or Curry
are the BAP in this group.
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If you go BAP with that list it’s either Jenkins or Curry. Sanchez isn’t proven over a long period of time. Oher has too many concerns and he’s raw. I’ve never been a big B.J. Raji fan and don’t think he’d be a good fit in our system. The only upside to having Raji available at eight is if some team wanted to move up to get him. I have to agree, Jenkins would be a safe pick as would Curry.
Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Fred Taylor. Sounds about right.
What if...
Now to make things a little more interesting what if either Andre Smith, Jason Smith or Eugene Monroe were available at eight? How would that change the BAP selection?
Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Fred Taylor. Sounds about right.
Yes it would change the order
Eugene Monroe and Andre Smith come to mind immediately. If we are to draft a Left Tackle, we can’t reach or hope, it has to be a very well developed and high probability selection or we move on.
Thanks!
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At the risk of sounding like an SEC homer
I wouldn’t trust almost any player from Ohio State, especially at CB. He rarely faced good quarterbacks, and when he faced serviceable ones, he got torched (USC, LSU). That is not a BAP to me. Additionally, if Oher and Jason Smith are both left on the board, 10 out of 10 times I would select Oher. The Jags need a powerful LT, not a converted TE pass-blocking specialist. Remember, the Jags have already interacted with Oher at the senior bowl. I think that goes a long way. Oher competed at a higher level of competition and did very very well. That is the kind of player this team needs.
by MoveThoseChains on Feb 12, 2009 3:26 PM EST reply actions
Nah, I'm a SEC hater and I agree ;)
Jenkins may possess all the raw skills, but the same thing that bothers me bothers me about Matt Stafford. What happened when he faced good teams? He sure didn’t look like a Top 10 pick then.
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by Jonathan Loesche on Feb 12, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely not
He makes maybe 5 horrible decisions every game, and he struggles with accuracy too. That is a whole lot of FAIL potential every time he drops back. He might’ve stayed for his senior year if it wasn’t for a total lack of a true star QB in this draft.
by MoveThoseChains on Feb 12, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
No Way
There were several games I watched Matthew Stafford, and I have to tell you, I’m not all that impressed. I saw him blow some easy throws in his final game(Michigan St.) as a bulldog. I mean he had guys wide open and he would completely miss them. You can’t win all on arm strength. He also seems a little immobile to me, and I’m not high on immobile quarterbacks.
Let me say this... (and I HATE THE BUCKEYES)
This is not coincidence… His HS team wins the state play-offs, he gets drafted to the best of the big ten… how many awards? As much as I hate that school, they do produce Character players. He is one. And leave out the Maurice Clarett crap (he was a rookie).
I'll definitely agree that they produce character players
but I’d be concerned if the Jaguars drafted a Buckeye early in the draft because the team is just so overrated and if the team is overrated it’s easy to think the players could also be overrated. Vernon Gholston was the #6 overall and he had an even worse year than Derrick Harvey with only 1 tackle through 8 games. Ted Ginn Jr. has become a good player for the Dolphins but was definitely a reach at #9 overall. I’m not saying they haven’t produced great players because they have, but there have been many misses on top 10 picks from that school.
by Adam Stites on Feb 12, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
This is what I love about a draft column
It inspires passion and debate.
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completely agree to disagree Tkopa
With your pick. I absolutley hate what I’ve seen from Jenkins and would much rather have Curry or Oher with that pick. I think Oher’s troubles are a thing of the past. Just read the NY Times story on his scouting report.
No Problem
The column is designed to help us all think through the draft so we become more informed. Sharing ideas is what this site is all about. I always wanted to be nobody because nobody is always right, but I’m not..
Together we will all learn. State your case and give your opinion. All is good.
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I still like
Oher for the pick. Question. If we decide not to get a LT in the draft, do you think we will pick someone up in FA? It’s hard to get a tackle in FA. We defiantly need a left tackle. I still like Oher. I agree, his behavior problems are in the past.
In my post I was playing BAP to the hilt
There are a few premium positions, Left Tackle, Quarterback. Defensive Tackle and Corner back. If the BAP is a corner back, the rules of BAP says we take a corner back.
Personally, a BAP and a Left Tackle should both be addressed. There will be a good LT at #8 and we will take one. But if they are all gone, then we move on to a BAP.
I actually think Jenkins or Curry would be a great choice. I wouldn’t cry if Aaron Curry arrived at camp. I would love to have Jenkins on our team. If Eugene Monroe comes, I know we will be ok. This draft matters a lot. I think Gene will do ok.
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Problem... Free ageny occurs before the draft... if the spot isn't settled by the draft we'll have no choice but to address the need at some point.
John - BAP
Remember the rules of BAP, position needs are not considered.
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I disagree...
If we don’t get Barnes re-signed, who do we have… collier was our future at the position… I agree with BAP, but LT isn’t just a position you can fill with any ole player… If we haven’t signed a FA then we’ll have to draft a tackle at somepoint… HAVE TO…
Just another opinion - Doesn't agree with me
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/01/22/mock1/index.html
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Tkopa
I just don’t understand why you think Jenkins is the BAP. We’re probably just never going to agree on this, but I don’t get it. Out of the 5 players you listed, Oher and Curry are the BAPs to me, and if there’s a tie, need is the tiebreaker.
by MoveThoseChains on Feb 13, 2009 10:22 PM EST reply actions
If you look at the link above
It is the Sports Illustrated mock draft. It has Jenkins ahead of Oher but Oher ahead of Curry. Other drafts have Oher higher and some lower. Jenkins is always a top ten and so is Curry. I know mock drafts are all BS rght now, but the best linebacker and the best defensive back in college, or so they are named by awards, does carry some weight. Yes?
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I looked at it this way
I wanted to see experience in the position. Matt Jones was never a receiver. Derrick Harvey still has a bit to learn. Aaron Curry has played Linebacker his whole career. So when I wrote the article, I didn’t kow who was the best. I just wanted to find a high quality candidate that knew how to play immediately.
Sanchez ruled out for lack of experience. BJ Raji ruled out for character concerns. Oher didn’t have the time in position. He may be a fantastic athlete, but our first round choices will be expected to produce. Gene needs that.
Of the two, Curry and Jenkins had the most time in the position. Jenkins had the most time, had the recognition, and played in big time games. I just felt that a true freshman earning a starting job at Ohio State was a big plus. His career moved up from there. Then being named best defensive back in the nation plus credit to his intelligence and character did it for me.
I think he could make an impact quickly. Oher looks to need more time to develop. Curry is a grat choice but a real shut down corner is harder to find and is as coveted as much as a good left tackle. Of the two, Oher or Jenkins, Jenkins carried the lowest risk.
But anyone is allowed to disagree. Just say why. I can learn from you. Those were my reasons.
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That's fair
Your reasoning makes sense. I happen to think that Jenkins did play in big games but didn’t show up big, but obviously everyone that gave him the Jim Thorpe award disagrees. Hey, we’re all just guessing anyway. Your crystal ball is telling you yes, and my crystal ball is telling me no, and we just won’t find out anything for sure till he hits the field and has a few years.
by MoveThoseChains on Feb 14, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
That is exactly right.
I really don’t know. A first round selection is a 50/50 probability. Vic wrote a nice answer to a question about corner backs being a coveted first round selection. If I were Gene, I would want a good left tackle. Hell I want a good left tackle. Let’s just hope for a good draft.
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Looking for good D
Any way it goes, I want to see an improvement in defense. I think this is a way back to the playoffs in the next two years, so naturally I’m high on taking a defensive player high in this draft. Though we need a left tackle too.
Aaron Curry is a fast and smart linebacker with good fundamentals, and he would be a great pick. A linebacker corps of Daryl Smith, Aaron Curry and Clint Ingram/Justin Durant would really be menacing to opposing teams, and we would be nearly impossible to run against. But then again, we would have a position battle between Clint Ingram and Justin Durant, so we really don’t need him. However, he sure is tempting with the 8th pick, and I would have no problem if we took him.
However, we have a need at cornerback, which a shutdown type corner like Jenkins would check that need off of our list. I also like his ability to come up and hit in run support, something Rasean is not really known for. A secondary with Rasean, Jenkins, Sensy?, and a coached up Reggie Nelson would be great. In conclusion, I’d be happy with either pick.
Draft Curry and trade Ingram or Durant... or (gasp) Smith?
A great example of how having too many playmakers at one position can be easily remedied… When we had to many quality RB’s, we traded one (Pearman) and got a pick for him on top of the years of serviceable play he gave us… now’s he back like a boomer-rang to hopefully be dealt again… (wishful thinking… I know)
-Collin
Draft Curry
and then use Durant as our new SS(Temporarily in case this BAP stuff leaves us with a hole there). With a whole off season to work out at the position he could be pretty good especially on run downs. Not to mention he could add a new dimension in our efforts to disguise our defense. We could be in nickle or base and it would be harder to tell. Blitzes would be more effective with Durant than with a normal SS that weighs 205 lbs like Brian Williams. This saves us a draft pick and it allows us to get our best personnel out there.
I would hate to have either Ingram or Durant sitting on the bench. Also if our DL starts to become more pass rush oriented with guys like Groves at DE and Landri at DT it may do us some good to have more beef in the rest of our defense.
Wow... way to think outside the box Ewdtrey. I actually love that idea and the way you're thinking.
However, I’m not sure that Durant could handle the coverage responsibility of being a SS, I may be wrong though. I actually think Durant is our best LB (sorry Daryl), and I’d hate to see him make that move away from LB. I do think he’s the only LB with the speed to pull off that transition though.
-Collin
You just blew my mind
But I have to agree with Collin that Durant is our best LB now, and turning an awesome LB into a decent SS seems like a shame.
by MoveThoseChains on Feb 14, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Cool Idea
I guess if you worked with him he could be like one of those hybrid, roving SS that is a little more common in college. It’s a cool idea, but I really like Justin Durant as a weakside linebacker, where he is really starting to make an impact.
I always switch him to the other side on the depth chart in Madden
That way he is on the field for nickel situations too. :)
by MoveThoseChains on Feb 14, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Let's play scenarios...
I have been calling for the release of K. Barnes and it looks possible through free agency. But I’m not sure he is going to command big dollars. There is enough tape on the guy.
Just what if he stays on the Jags roster… does the gaurd postion become more of a possibilty – say second player chosen?
If he Stays.
If Barnes stays, I think LT would still be a priority. Khalif is certainly not a long term replacement at the position, but it could nix the idea of the Jags having to use a first round pick on a LT. Even if we could sign Khalif to a one year deal, that could allow a LT from say, the third round, time to develop. Then we could trade back in the first round and take a guard/center like you said, or we could take either Aaron Curry or Malcolm Jenkins and get the defense back into the top ten in the league.
Or
we can get a left tackle in FA and then we can drop down and get Jenkins or someone like that. I still like Oher as being our pick if we don’t get a LT in FA. I saw from another comment that Oher could drop as low as 26 in the draft. If that is a possibility, then we can still drop out of 8, get picks, and still get Oher.
Mayock is a hack... don't trust his viewpoints...
I bet Oher will drop, but not to 26, that’s an idiotic prediction. In his world, Eric Wood would be drafted higher than Oher… the guy is a hack.
You know what... I'm an ass...
I meant Kiper all along… for some reason I got the two mixed up. I guess I was reading the Jags.com article and just superimposed Kiper’s idiocy onto mayock… that’s for the Check socal.
-Collin
Not mayock... Kiper... disregard everything I said about mayock... I got the two mixed up.
I’m an ass. My bad
Ok In that case I agree
Kiper is definitely a hack
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