Andre Smith now a possibility at #8?
by Jonathan Loesche on Feb 21, 2009 2:40 PM EST
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(If you're looking for the article on the possible Jets trade, I took it off as I now realize it's bunk, sorry if I misled anyone)
In the biggest developement so far in the combine, Alabama Left Tackle Andre Smith skipped out on showing up. Click Here
Of the main Left Tackles, Smith has been off the radar the most here at BCC. Not because we don't like him, I personally think he's the #1 overall player in the draft, but because it was assumed he would be off the board by the time the Jaguars picked.
Now on the other hand, this is where things get interesting. Smith was suspended for Alabama's last game at the Sugar Bowl and there were some other character concerns in the mix. Smith was in the running to be the #1 pick, and now may have thrown himself out of that mix.
Now here's the paradox for Gene Smith. I can almost gurantee if Smith is there at #8, he'll be #1 on their board. However, character concerns do raise red flags.
What do you guys think?
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Not with those character issues....
Gene already said he like character guys. I doubt he’d pick Smith. Besides is Smith really the BAP at pick 8?
I don’t like this WE MUST GET A OT IMMEDIATELY TO REPLACE BARNES mentality.
Draft for the best available player or trade down and recoup the value.
right on bro... I wouldn't take him anywhere near the top 10 if character is a concern for you.
-Collin
The End Is Nigh...
I do like it and I DEFINTELY think he's the BAP at 8
Is that a joke slvrgun? He’s top 3.
by harveyismyboy on Feb 21, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Keep dreaming...
Jenkins
Moreno
Crabtree
Stafford for top 3.
I wouldn’t pick Smith in the top 10. Maybe top 15.
Right
It’s about character concerns with Smith right now. he’s a very good athlete, but his character is not good right now. It’s still 2 months away from the draft. So, we will just have to see.
On another note, I was disappointed in Michael Oher at the combine today. He’s a gifted athlete, but his inconsistency showed today. He was good in some of the drills, but in others, he didn’t look so good. If we can pick him up at number 8, could our coaches coach him up and could he get more consist? I’m still pulling for Oher.
Eugene Monroe had a fantastic day at the combine. Great feet and he was great on the drills. Very nice. Could we possible get him at number 8. If we can, he would be a great pick also.
If Monroe had a good day I think he'll become the new #1 tackle on people's boards
I was hoping he would have an off day in shorts but alas. That being said, I think Oher would still be a solid pick.
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by Jonathan Loesche on Feb 21, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Smith
First I must disagree with your evaluation of Smith. I thought he would be their for the Jags at 8 and never considered him the best player in the draft. Secondly I still think there could be better players on the board at 8 even if Smith were available. Now, because of the Combine mess, I can see him sliding to the Eagles at 21.
Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Fred Taylor. Sounds about right.
Oops
I meant that need based picking often exemplifies desperation and it can cloud the judgment of teams in the rebuilding phase. I hope Gene is smart enough to stick to his philosophy and picks the BAP. Sure we need an OT but will any of the ones left be the BAP?
I think we are nitpicking here
It’s a moot point to say that Eugene Monroe is awesome, because he will most certainly be gone by the time the #8 spot rolls around. We can probably safely assume that the Rams will take an OT as well, and the Raiders might too. If for some reason Andre Smith is the one tackle remaining at that point, you have to take him. Period. He is definitely rated above Oher and I personally like him a lot more than Jason Smith. He, without a doubt, would be the BAP as well as the BAP that plays a position of desperate need for the team.
To understand how good Andre Smith is, you need only look at the SEC Championship game and then the Sugar Bowl. Bama nearly beat the Gators, but they couldn’t keep John Parker Wilson upright against a Utah team with inferior talent. And almost all pressure that JPW was under in that game was from the left side.
I don’t understand these nebulous character concerns. College kids do stupid things sometimes, but he didn’t rape a girl. He didn’t assault anyone. He didn’t get pulled over with a loaded weapon in his car, and he has no issues with DUIs or leaving the scene of an accident or any sort of other things that have happened with the Jaguars. He didn’t commit any sort of academic fraud, and he never got himself kicked off the team.
Players that have done much much much much much worse things than get themselves suspended for ONE game their entire collegiate career have gone on to be fantastic players in the NFL. Passing on the best LT on the board who should not be lower than #8 on ANY value board in the country because of what amounts to nothing is ridiculous.
by MoveThoseChains on Feb 21, 2009 5:11 PM EST reply actions
I Agree Here
While I will say nobody knowing where you are at the combine, and then when they do find you you have a conflicting story with your agent, does show some immaturity, you are right, he didn’t do anything bad really. But I still don’t know if he will be the highest rated player on our board at number 8.
If we could trade back to around 15 or so, then I would have no problem taking Andre Smith. At number 8, he would be a reach.
Yes
but Andre Smith didn’t make a first good impression either.
Pittsburgh needed O-Line help too
and drafted a running back in the first round and then did what? They never give in to needs drafting and have won the Super Bowl what one out of seven times it is held?
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Yeah, but Rashard Mendenhall should have been a Top 10 pick
That being said, I still think if one of the Top 4 tackles is available, they would most likely be BAP and fit a need
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by Jonathan Loesche on Feb 21, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
I never thought
Mendenhall should have been a top ten. I didn’t like his lack of ball security, tight hips, lack of vision in a pro style offense. Just thought I should throw that in there. I wasn’t suprised to see Jonathan Stewert to go first.
And I think it’s 6 SB’s and they got a large chunk of them with essentially one team(unchanged roster).
Another Team that Uses BAP
Arizona too has used BAP the past 5-7 years too. Even though they may not have needed more receivers, or DBs, they still drafted them, and look how they had a break out season this year. And they developed their line positions enough, as both of their lines played great in the playoffs, especially their d-line, who is supposed to be even more dangerous next year with Darnell Docket fully developed. BAP is the best way, period.
Hard to Communicate BAP to fans.
They want to win now. Every year its something else. After the 2007 season we were 1 or 2 players short of going to a Superbowl. Now we are one OT away from restoring our former glory. Seriously this team got old and the truth about talent on its roster got exposed. The Jaguars need to target the best available player, not the best available offensive tackle: THE BEST AVAILABLE PLAYER!
Keep expectations low for 2009. There is less of a chance you will get you feelings hurt.
Exactly
We are not one player away from a Super Bowl, as every one believed last year. We drafted for need and it came back to bite us. I maintain the belief that we need to trade back to around 15 this year. Since we are in a semi-rebuilding mode, we need as many pick as possible. Six picks are not going to cut it, as we have to many holes in our roster to fill with only six picks. When we get those picks, BAP!
BAP @ #8 might be a RB
I agree with your thoughts. Trading back would be a good idea if we can recoup value but if we don’t trade back I get the feeling Gene might target this years strong crop of RBs in this draft. Vic already has an article about these guys and says that they really piqued Gene’s interest.
RB
Lesean McCoy looks good.
WR: Brian Robiskie, Nicks
You are becoming a Nicks believer
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Yeah lol
He seems like he could do well for the Jags. Especially since Garrard is not a deep passer, Nicks catches short balls, but he can make people miss after the catch.
True
Your right. We need a strong line. I know he can throw deep, but he is just not comfortable with it, and part of that is probably because we still don’t have a deep threat WR.
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