Malcolm Jenkins: Out of the Picture
Remember when I told you that I thought that Malcolm Jenkins of Ohio State would be a good choice for the Jaguars at the 8th overall pick? Yeah, you can take that back now. Tony Pauline of SI.com reports that Jenkins ran between 4.52 and 4.58, which will more than likely eliminate him from top ten consideration. Some teams, though perhaps not Jacksonville, will grade him as a free safety rather than a cornerback, but either way, his speed is not worthy of a top ten selection.
It's unfair, to an extent, that between two and eight hundreths of a second will decide where Jenkins goes, as that amount of time is nearly inpercievable, but with the 8th pick, the Jaguars need to pick up an elite player, a cornerback that's closer to 4.6 than to 4.4 is not elite.
Such is the way the draft goes, after the combine we'll be able to project the top talent and get a far better idea as to who will be on top of the board when the Jaguars pick.
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That is so funny and so true
I was going to say the same thing, so who is left? Everyone eliminates themselves from top consideration.
Maybe we could exchange our #8 pick for 2 second round selections.
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by Tkopa on Feb 24, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's possible we may not be able to trade down
Our best bet is if two teams pick up the qbs. But I’m hearing Detroit might not even pick stafford but instead the best lb in the draft.
by Slvrgun on Feb 24, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hearing the same
We are stuck at the top with all the good players atthe bottom!
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by Tkopa on Feb 24, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a huge problem with this kind of thinking
No one is perfect. Ever. Period. Do you know why all the players at the bottom seem better? They haven’t been nitpicked to death, their bones ravaged clean by hungry scouts that are going to say just enough so that they can say “I told you so” no matter if a guy turns out good or bad.
Game tape is the best way to determine if someone is good. Andre Smith dominated for years at Alabama, and he could not have possibly done that without discipline. Stafford has always been erratic, and there was no reason to ever think otherwise. Jenkins has routinely gotten barbecued when playing against good decent competition, and again there was no reason to ever think otherwise because you thought he could run 0.1 seconds faster. Crabtree has always been awesome, and a minor injury that will be 100% healed by the time games count will cause some very lucky team to get him, instead of a worse team that desperately needed that kind of infusion of talent.
In this sort of draft there ARE true top 10 players, it’s just that once there is a hero everyone wants to bring him down. And then they elevate the underdogs, until they are heroes, and then it’s time to restart the cycle.
by MoveThoseChains on Feb 24, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
That if you combine the game tape and the combine speed, you find that Jenkins does not have the characteristics of an top ten selection.
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by River City Rage on Feb 24, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If we stay at 8 I think we should start looking at DE
Orakpo and Everette Brown are not at positions of need, but we could use the upgrade and I think they will be the BAP’s if one of the OT’s doesn’t fall. And I just don’t think Raji is worth an 8th pick.
I think Tyson Jackson may even be an option. He can be a 3 downs guy at DE, and considering he already weighs nearly 300 lbs he could easily kick inside. If he did kick inside, I think he could be the best DT of this class. One of the most important things you need to be able to do to kick inside is to be able to beat the double team and I think he already does a pretty darn good job of that now. After Glenn Dorsey left, Tyson has been getting doubled regularly.
by Ewdtrey on Feb 24, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Im trying
really hard not to fall into the “draft a left tackle” scenerio. I really believe that this year we will draft the most talented football player no matter what his position is.
by JagSoldier on Feb 24, 2009 11:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ask Vic
Vic seemed to like him before his workout. I wonder if he’ll have something different to say tomorrow. I’m sure he will. IMO, these miniscule time differences in running the 40 are blown way out of proportion.
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by cuffs007 on Feb 24, 2009 11:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
True
The best measure of his speed and quickness might just be game film against known burners, otherwise it’s possible that he had a bad start. As a former collegiate sprinter a bad start can wreck times especially in really short races below 60m.
by Slvrgun on Feb 24, 2009 11:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
trade back
i think the 40 time is a load of crap. who cares how they run on a track in underwear. check the game tape. how is he then?
it would be great if we could trade back and get him around 20.
by abeaugh on Feb 24, 2009 2:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The game tape is why I think he's terrible
Lol, the combine was the only way he could’ve done anything right in my eyes. I’m so glad now almost everyone agrees Jenkins is not a winning pick.
by MoveThoseChains on Feb 24, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
idk
he gets burned in single coverage, but he seems like a good fit in a cover two system. i think he would be great teaming up with mathis with nelson over top.
by abeaugh on Feb 24, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you can't play man
You have no business being considered a great prospect.
by MoveThoseChains on Feb 24, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
disagree again
there are different skills. the ability to play man, and the ability to play cover two are completely different. he could be a great corner in one system, and terrible in another.
by abeaugh on Feb 25, 2009 12:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe in your base defense
But you will never have your base defense on the field the entire game. There will be blitzes, there will be bunch formations that force more defenders to another side of the field, there will be all sorts of substitution scenarios. If you can’t trust your corner to be left on an island, it severely limits what you’re able to do in your defensive schemes. So if a player is not able to competently play both zone and man, he really shouldn’t be a 1st round pick.
by MoveThoseChains on Feb 25, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As MTC said
Whenever Jenkins went again quality receivers it seemed like they always ended up on Sportscenter.
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by FSBlueApocalypse on Feb 24, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHA… I knew this was going to happen! I said a few weeks ago, that I wasn’t to sure about him and here we are now! What’s wrong with drafting B.J. Raji???
by floridafalcons#63 on Feb 24, 2009 2:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
B.J. Raji...
might be the leading candidate at #8 now. You might be right floridafalcons. If not, then we need to switch our stratagy and go with what Vic K. calls, B.A.G. You all know what that is, Best Available Gator. Percy, where are you Percy??? I know I’ll get crap from you all about this one… hahaha.
by jagsfanbrunell on Feb 24, 2009 2:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
WR???
anyone??
Thanks for the memories Fred, the #1 back on my roster
by Rufio904 on Feb 24, 2009 2:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
PERCY AT #8??? He is NOT a true WR though… If we were to draft a “true” WR at #8, Darius Heyward-Bey would be the guy… But I like Raji…
by floridafalcons#63 on Feb 24, 2009 3:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Heyward-Bey is good
but is he a # 8 guy? Plus the Jags already have a hyphenated last name guy on offense… too many last names for us to remember. How about Jeremy Maclin? Unless you meant trading down to the bottom of the first round. I just don’t think Heyward-Bey is a top 10, even with his great 40 time.
by jagsfanbrunell on Feb 24, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would love Hayward-bey
That’s a first round WR I could live with. He tore it up with an average at best QB.
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by silencecs on Feb 24, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
robiskie
rd 2? solid pick
surreal to be teal
by Surteal on Feb 24, 2009 3:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I second that
I would love to see Robiskie land with the Jags in the second round. Very fast, great character guy.
by jagsfanbrunell on Feb 24, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Decent Time
I think his best was 4.49. But He’s also an outstanding route runner.
by Bestjagfan on Feb 24, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know we interviewed Mark Sanchez and Jeremy Maclin so far
Perhaps that’s where we’re headed?
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by FSBlueApocalypse on Feb 24, 2009 3:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Sanchez interview is to get teams to think we'll take the guy to increase our trade leverage.
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by silencecs on Feb 24, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Figured
Was more interested in Jeremy Maclin
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by FSBlueApocalypse on Feb 24, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I said yesterday that Robiskie would be a great 2nd round pick. I was impressed with Alfonso Smith today at the combine. Could he slip to us in the second round? If there is not a solid OT in the first round at number 8, trade down and get a DT or WR.
by ajagsbeliever on Feb 24, 2009 4:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
DT
Since we are now looking at possible DT in the first round, how about Peria Jerry. He could help our d-line.
by ajagsbeliever on Feb 24, 2009 5:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like him too
But I think he would work best as an option if we trade out of #8
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by FSBlueApocalypse on Feb 24, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There is not a place for a NT on this team...
by MoveThoseChains on Feb 24, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that either.
Frankly, I’d love to see what Del Rio does with Raji and Henderson next to each other. That’s like 9000 pounds of defensive tackle that’ll demand a whole lot of attention from the offensive line. Even if Raji is better at NT, he’d be a hell of a DT.
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by River City Rage on Feb 24, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
that’s what I meant. Trade down a few spots, and then pick up Peria Jerry. BJ Raji would be a great pick too, but he might be gone by 8.
I just fished watching highlights on Malcolm Jenkins, Jeremy Maclin, and Peria Jerry. I wasn’t impressed with Jenkins even though he is still a good athlete. We can probably still get a very good CB later in the draft. However, Peria Jerry and Jeremy Maclin looked good in there highlight videos. I would probably take Peria Jerry in the first round and see if a WR like Brian Robiskie fell to us in round 2. If we get at least 3 second round picks I like Brian Robiskie, RB McCoy, and a CB or Safety. By the way, Patrick Chung looked good at Safety today. He could be a good pick too.
by ajagsbeliever on Feb 24, 2009 6:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
CB
Alfonso Smith would be good for us too if he slipped to us in round 2.
by ajagsbeliever on Feb 24, 2009 6:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
In the 3-4,
He is the guy who lines up directly across from the center. Typically they are shorter and…rounder than a DT in a 4-3 alignment. The NT is responsible for being huge and immovable, occupying multiple blockers so the linebackers behind him can do great things. In the 4-3, DTs more often are the ones responsible for doing great things instead of just being in the way. Everything about Raji’s build just screams 3-4 NT rather than 4-3 DT. This is all a complicated way of saying that I am not sold on Raji’s potential to be disruptive by attacking the quarterback, rather than just two-gapping against the run.
by MoveThoseChains on Feb 24, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What did he play in Alabama: 3-4 or 4-3? I watched highlights on him and he seemed to get penetration towards the QB.
by ajagsbeliever on Feb 24, 2009 7:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Raji?
He went to Boston College where he was part of a 4-3. But you also have to remember there is a world of difference between your average college offensive line and NFL O-line.
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by FSBlueApocalypse on Feb 24, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love the draft. Aren't you guys pumped??
I’m starting more and more to like tdaing down to mid teens and either getting a LT (Smith or Oher?) or possibly a DT (could Jerry be there in 2nd round?) And using our 2nd rounder for a defensive back (Alphonso, Chung, etc.)
I’m pumped!
by harveyismyboy on Feb 24, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love the draft too
but this nonstop coverage is going to make my head explode soon. But I still want more. I totally agree with you too, I want them to trade down. According to the trade value charts if the Jaguars could manage to find a taker to trade down 5-10 spots they could pick up another 2nd. How great of a first day would it be if they could come away with one of each of three groups you just named. Smith or Oher in the 1st, then Jerry and Chung or Alphonso in the 2nd.
by SoCalStites on Feb 24, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dude...
You’re thinking Andre Smith. left Tackle for the Alabama O-line.
by aibtureman on Feb 24, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
jerry
was he at the combine, i didnt see him
surreal to be teal
by Surteal on Feb 24, 2009 9:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No
I don’t think he was, but I’m not sure why though. Unless he was just not one of the ones chosen to be there. I agree. Get Smith or Oher in the 1st round, and then Jerry, and then Chung or Alphonso in the 2nd would be great, but I don’t think Jerry will fall to the 2nd. If we don’t pick him up in the 1st round, he will be gone by the 2nd.
On my other commit, I don’t know what I was thinking when I said Alabama. I guess I was thinking about Andre Smith and got confused. My bad. Thanks for clearing it up for me.
by ajagsbeliever on Feb 24, 2009 9:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just watched Malcolm Jenkins run the 40.
He ran a 4.55 at the combine, but it appeared that he stopped running full speed before he crossed the finish. I replayed it a few times and each time it is more obvious. I kid you not he stopped running at the 30/35, and started to decelerate. At his pro day he could get much of his draft stock back if he finishes five yards after the 40 yard line, than five yards before it.
by Bestjagfan on Feb 24, 2009 11:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If that's true
I wouldn’t want an idiot on the team.
by Ewdtrey on Feb 25, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also keep in mind
he had 2 runs to get it right. I highly doubt he would make the same mistake twice. He just may not have that top end speed.
by Ewdtrey on Feb 25, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is pretty stupid.
Maybe he figures he will blow people away at his pro day.
by JagSoldier on Feb 25, 2009 9:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Man...
I got this crazy feeling that the Jags just might go after Sanchez. How gutsy would that be?
by Jaghomer on Feb 25, 2009 1:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If hes the BAP then go for it.
I like the idea of having a young franchise QB in the waiting.
by JagSoldier on Feb 26, 2009 10:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he could develop now, learn the system, and be ready to take over once Garrard is done here. We have to realize that David is getting older and he still has 5 years left on his contract, but after that he probably won’t get signed again. So, I hate for our first round draft choice to sit on the bench for a couple of years, but if he can learn the system, he will benefit us in the long run.
by ajagsbeliever on Feb 26, 2009 7:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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