Free Agency Open Thread: Brad Meester and Scott Starks Re-signed, Reggie Williams ruined his Pay Check
by River City Rage on Feb 27, 2009 11:16 AM EST
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Let's talk about Free Agency: As the day develops, even though the Jaguars will probably abstain from the market, I'd like to keep an open thread of signings and other activity. I'll be updating throughout the day.
- Former Eagle Safety Sean Considine is visiting the Jaguars today.
- JagNation reports Considine will sign a two-year deal pending a physical.
- Albert Haynesworth is now a Washington Redskin. Good Riddance.
- Fred Taylor is now a Patriot. Ugh.
- Center Brad Meester decided to avoid free agency and will remain a Jaguar.
- Paul Spicer is no longer with the Jaguars.
- Scott Starks has re-signed with the Jags.
- Former Jaguar (by like 14 hours) Reggie Williams was arrested in Houston for Marijuana Possession. Not a good way to start your free agent season Reggie, not good at all.
What moves are you watching?
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Safeties
What about Sean Jones or Jermaine Phillips? There’s a lot of better safeties out there than Considine.
by reems28 on Feb 27, 2009 11:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Another SS.
I’m not really sure if the Ravens kept Brian Leonhard, but if he is a free agent he could be a good pickup who could start and fill the role for Sensy. He wouldn’t demand that much in a contract, but the guy can play. He had an interception and a fumble recovery just in the post season.
by Bestjagfan on Feb 27, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
never even heard of em
surreal to be teal
by Surteal on Feb 27, 2009 11:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Considine=
Purely Depth
Thanks for the memories Fred, the #1 back on my roster
by Rufio904 on Feb 27, 2009 12:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Free agents =
band-aides.
I don’t think we’ll have heard of many of the free agents that get signed this year. They want to build through the draft and unsigned players. That means temporary patches if they’re serious about it.
Good for Fred. I dislike the Pats, but it’s probably his best chance to get a ring, and some recognition.
by Pyrofish on Feb 27, 2009 12:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Interesting stuff
Either tonight or tomorow I’ll put up a chart of who’s been resigned, who’s signed elsewhere, etc
-John
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by Jonathan Loesche on Feb 27, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If nothing else...
I’m glad Haynesworth is out of the division. I think the Jaguars will feel a little more confident running up the middle twice a season now.
-C
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by River City Rage on Feb 27, 2009 12:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Do we play Fred and the Patriots next year?
by kterr on Feb 27, 2009 1:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jags 2009 schedule
HOME
Indianapolis Colts, Houston Texans, Tennessee Titans, Buffalo Bills, Miami Dolphins, Arizona Cardinals, St. Louis Rams and Kansas City Chiefs
AWAY
Indianapolis Colts, Houston Texans, Tennessee Titans, New England Patriots, New York Jets, San Francisco 49ers, Seattle Seahawks and Cleveland Browns
So yes, we do.. thats gonna be a weird game to watch..
by jerranamo on Feb 27, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Considine wasn't exactly
The fan favorite in Philly
by SoCalStites on Feb 27, 2009 1:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he sure wasn’t…
I think he got kind of a bad rap here. He did pretty much flop as a starter, but he was a very good special teams player.
by JasonB on Feb 27, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We bought a bad starter?
But a good special teams player? We must be thinking of taking Quentin Groves off Special Teams.
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by Tkopa on Feb 27, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not
There are a lot of people that can be moved off ST. So far Estandia hasn’t been resigned as far as I know. Mike Walker may not play ST anymore because of playing time and injuries. Pierson Prioleau wont be back. We also need more depth at S. etc…It’s just to hard to tell. Personally I still don’t think Groves will be a starter barring injury or Hayward being cut.
by Ewdtrey on Feb 27, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, it's not a total yard sale.
Meester’s coming back. And so is Brian Iwuh. At least they’re not firing everybody over there.
Unfortunately, the truth only comes out game-by-game.
by arthardie on Feb 27, 2009 1:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Starks!
I agree. He’s a really good player. I hope they keep him around. But, will he be asking for a notoriously-high Cornerback deal? Those guys know how to go after the cash.
Unfortunately, the truth only comes out game-by-game.
by arthardie on Feb 27, 2009 1:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah they sure do
I was just reading on the Times-Union site that Del Rio said the guys he was targetting to get back in free agency were Meester and Starks. One down, one to go.
by SoCalStites on Feb 27, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to have Starks back!
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by River City Rage on Feb 27, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Starks is a great asset......
Too bad he was injured last year, cause he was the only Cb besides Rashean that was prepared to keep up with a man-to-man scheme……….
by jaxjags.. on Feb 27, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
His injury may be a blessing
in disguise. If he did end up playing really well in a contract year he could have played himself on to another team, because we couldn’t afford him.
by Ewdtrey on Feb 27, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yupp
i really wonder how hes going to come back from that acl injury
by moneyallday on Feb 27, 2009 2:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
JagNation told me Meester's contract is 2 years at around 10 mil.
not bad for a 10 year vet. If he doesn’t play well this year then I suspect Our remorseless and cold leader will put him out to pasture before his two years are up.
-Collin
The End Is Nigh...
by silencecs on Feb 27, 2009 2:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Am I out of touch - is $5 mil a year common for a 10 ear center?
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by Tkopa on Feb 27, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If he plays good,
then I don’tmind it. If he plays bad nesxt year, he will be cut because of the salary. But as I wrote, good to have him back! If he would went elsewhere there would be another gap to fill.
Then the Jags would have look like as a cheese…
by Zoltan from Budapest on Feb 27, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a bargain
Most centers only come with 2 ears. (I had to. Sorry)
by Ewdtrey on Feb 27, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was funny
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by Tkopa on Feb 27, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that makes more sense
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by Tkopa on Feb 27, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gene's got ice in his veins!
I love it!
by JagSoldier on Feb 27, 2009 2:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
OFF SUBJECT BUT GOOD INFO
I HAVE HEARD FROM A INSIDER WITH THE JAGS THAT THEY HAVE ALOT OF INTREST IN BRIAN ROBISKIE WR OHIO STATE. THEY INTEND TO TRADE DOWN AND PIC HIM UP.
by jadams212510 on Feb 27, 2009 3:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
As in 1st round?
If that happens every bit of positive thought I have for Gene Smith goes out the window
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by Jonathan Loesche on Feb 27, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
First of all welcome to the site!
It is a pleasure to have you!
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by Tkopa on Feb 27, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather not know(publicly)
for the sake of the team.
by Ewdtrey on Feb 27, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Grady Jackson....
I would love to see this huge guy back with us………..
by jaxjags.. on Feb 27, 2009 3:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
My view
about the changes: Starks and Meester, I’m glad the Jaguars keep them. Spicer, sorry to see him go, but he was one of the players that got old last year. Wish him luck, cause he did very good things for this team.
Fred, as i said this deal can mean him a ring, recognition, and maybe the jim Brown line. Which could means HOF, the 1st HOF from the Jaguars! The only sad thing is he will most likely play against us this season.
And this Eagle safety, well let’s wait until the deal is done, and if he will become a Jaguar, then I wish him to improve here. But I hope we will sign a little bit better players too!
by Zoltan from Budapest on Feb 27, 2009 4:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and Big Al
Well one problem less. AFC South will be an intersting division to watch in 2009!
by Zoltan from Budapest on Feb 27, 2009 4:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Reggie...
what are you thinking? You’re already in a bad position to get any contract as it is. This could be enough to get him out of the league completely
by SoCalStites on Feb 27, 2009 5:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I havent heard this news
what are you talking about? Reggie Williams?
by JagSoldier on Feb 27, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*Face palm*
Damn, looks like Reggie will be hard pressed to find a team now.
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by Jonathan Loesche on Feb 27, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Toronto Argonauts might be interested
by SoCalStites on Feb 27, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, it's legal in Canada ;)
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by Jonathan Loesche on Feb 27, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh
I see. Yeah, it is not a good way to hit the market. Good luck Reggie…
by Zoltan from Budapest on Feb 27, 2009 5:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
wast of tealant anyway
thats a fun word play
there should be an article about the most tealanted players on our team
surreal to be teal
by Surteal on Feb 27, 2009 5:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Here are Fred's contract numbers with the Pats
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/02/27/signings/index.html?eref=T1
Fred signed a two-year, $8 million deal with New England, receiving a $1.45 million signing bonus. Your reaction?
by Zoltan from Budapest on Feb 27, 2009 6:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
More "news"
I just saw that Shawn Springs CB got released. He could be a good pick up.
Gerald Sensabaugh and Khalif Barnes are going to visit the Saints. Might have something to do with Greg Williams being there and Stinchcomb being a FA.
by Ewdtrey on Feb 27, 2009 6:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He'd probably be expensive
I was thinking about it too. It’s a similar situation as the Drayton Florence situation and getting Springs would probably require a similar contract.
by SoCalStites on Feb 27, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But at least he has
starting experience.
by Ewdtrey on Feb 27, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And their
DL wasn’t masking his weaknesses.
by Ewdtrey on Feb 27, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt he'd be better
I’m not arguing that he’d be a Drayton Florence. I just don’t see the Jaguars throwing that kind of money in free agency again.
by SoCalStites on Feb 27, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're
probably right.
However he’d probably ask for less money than B Williams, in which case I would think twice about who I’d rather have on the team. The lack of a starting SS may give B Will the edge though. That and we know what we are getting with Will.
by Ewdtrey on Feb 27, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now I know why they cut him
He misses way too much time. He’s not coming here.
by Ewdtrey on Feb 27, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Schefter just reported
that Sean Considine signed a 2 year, $3 Million deal
by SoCalStites on Feb 27, 2009 7:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Fred Taylor deal isn't for sure
Pete Prisco says that Fred had discussions with the Patriots but no deal has been done. Although this post was from earlier in the day
by SoCalStites on Feb 27, 2009 8:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You know what
I’m going to back track and say that’s not true. The Patriots website says they signed him and the Boston Globe said it was official about an hour ago.
by SoCalStites on Feb 27, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and vic
said this would be boring… we got a guy
surreal to be teal
by Surteal on Feb 27, 2009 9:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He meant
that the Jaguars weren’t going to be going after the blockbuster guys. 2 years for $3 million isn’t blockbuster at all.
by SoCalStites on Feb 27, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i know
i was being sarcastic, thats the downside of text. no emotion
surreal to be teal
by Surteal on Feb 27, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you dont know me
i shouldve lold
lol
surreal to be teal
by Surteal on Feb 27, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They're official
Fred Taylor is officially signed with the Patriots.
The Jags have officially signed Sean Considine to a deal.
by ajagsbeliever on Feb 28, 2009 12:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Im not surprised that many of you dont know who sean considine is but he is a good football player. he played for the iowa hawkeyes and I know gator fans are kind of oblivious to anybody other than their players but sean blocked a punt in the outback bowl which was the play of the game. considine played with bob sanders, dallas clark, matt roth and others who very few people knew or still know. a very underated iowa team who spanked and shocked the gators in 2004 with a great bunch of athletes that mostly got little star respect just because they played for the hawkeyes and considine was among them.
sean considine is a good player. knowing what philly has done to people and the surroundings Im just guessing considine wanted the hell out of that city. he was undrafted but he eventually got into the starting lineup. I wouldnt discredit him just because he lost his starting job. the guy is a good football and tough. Im very sad to see he is signing with jax because I would have loved for the colts to get him as a back up.
by kinnickcolt on Feb 28, 2009 7:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
As a supposed expert on Sean Considine I would have guessed you would have known he was a 4th round pick, not undrafted.
by JasonB on Feb 28, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am completely lost???
I know Gene Smith is calculating and he has a closely guarded hand, but for the life of me, can’t figure out his plan? Is it all young and cheap guys? Then I see some O-line additions in April, in fact an ‘O’ draft. Is this the end of “run the ball – stop the run”?
by Jaghomer on Feb 28, 2009 8:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
No, not at all. Gene Smith first of all believes in building through the draft. “It’s a young man’s game.” About the cheap signings. Gene and Mr. Weaver said that they were not going to get free agents that were expensive. You saw what happened last year. Before you jump off the band wagon, lets see what Gene does through the draft. In the 1st round we might get a LT or someone like Maclin. The Jags are very interested in DJ Moore, which would be a great second round pick if he slips to us, and if we get a few more second round picks, I would like us to get someone like Patrick Chung and/or Nicks. So lets wait. Plus, it’s only one day in the free agency. Let’s wait to see what he does. Give him a chance to prove himself.
by ajagsbeliever on Feb 28, 2009 9:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
"good sign"
This Considine signing, well every forum I went in the few hours(even in Hungarian NFl forums) wrote the guy is simply garbage as a safety. Well, I will wait until he plays in a couple of regular season game to judge him(If he makes the final roster…), but so far this was not beginning of the reset/retool/rebuild-anyhow they call it process.
But I wish, we have the last laugh on it
(and by the way I read he is not that bad in special teams)
by Zoltan from Budapest on Feb 28, 2009 10:00 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the info Zoltan... Nobody else can tell us what the "Hungarian boards" are saying.
;)
The End Is Nigh...
by silencecs on Feb 28, 2009 10:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Laugh
There are 1-2 sites where you can find "hardcore"’ fans from hungary. One reply was for the Considine signing from an Eagles fan there: “GOD exists!!!”…which is. Another Eagles fan wrote: “he was a good ST player, but every time he steped on the field as a safety recently, migh pulse went much higher”…
These aren’t the words I wanna read from a fresh signing, are you?
by Zoltan from Budapest on Feb 28, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid me
"he was a good ST player, but every time he steped on the field as a safety recently, MY pulse went much higher"…
by Zoltan from Budapest on Feb 28, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said earlier, Considine was a flop as a starter here. Now maybe in the Jags system under their coaching he can become an effective starter. He didn’t work here, doesn’t mean he can’t work elsewhere.
But I also said that he was a very good special teamer.
by JasonB on Feb 28, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And now with Mel Tucker
who is a defensive back specialst, who knows, maybe he can teach to guy.
Let’s hope it will happen.
By the way thanks for the view about Considine.
by Zoltan from Budapest on Feb 28, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Maybe thats what they brought him in to do, play special teams and add depth. But then again, I’m not sure if they will let Considine compete for the job in camp. Or maybe he is the Jags fix at the position. Either way, I have to see him play in pre-season before I can judge him.
by Bestjagfan on Feb 28, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
I really doubt the Jaguars went and gave a 2 year, $3 million contract to the guy they plan on starting at safety. This is just for depth at the position
by SoCalStites on Feb 28, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Jar in the shelf"
As Vic says
by Zoltan from Budapest on Feb 28, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know this doesn't have anything to do with us
but the Patriots just traded Matt Cassel to the Chiefs
by SoCalStites on Feb 28, 2009 1:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Because the Jags will play with the Chiefs this year
It has impact on us. If it’s true, then Pioli will bring the Chiefs reeeeal quick to a contender team.
It seemed that the Chiefs are the weakest from that division. All of sudden they can be a dangerous team. Bad news for us.
by Zoltan from Budapest on Feb 28, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a big surprise
I’m not as sold on Cassel as others. There’s a reason he never started a game after high school until Brady went down last year. It helped the Pats played in a weak division.
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by Jonathan Loesche on Feb 28, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Same here
I’m not super freaked out about it because quarterback was not the only issue for the Chiefs last season and they still have many pieces to go. Also Cassel had a good year this season but it wasn’t amazing. There’s a good chance that his flaws were masked by the offense of the Patriots.
by SoCalStites on Feb 28, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It does have something to do with us for draft reasons
If they traded their 3rd pick then the Patriots will be picking instead and even if they didnt there is no chance they take a QB so that might shake up the first round
by kterr on Feb 28, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There's no way
I’m guessing a 2nd and a late round pick like a 5th or 6th
by SoCalStites on Feb 28, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Only 1 second rounder
I think this is a steal for the Chiefs but according to Peter King at SI.com the Cheifs are getting both Cassel and Vrabel for the 34th pick overall….thats it i guess. The one thing it does for us though is give us another team to possibly trade with on draft day because they have three second rounders.
by kterr on Feb 28, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It seems like there has to be something else to it
I don’t see why the Patriots would trade Vrabel and Cassel for a 2nd. It’s an early 2nd, I know, so it’s pretty much a late 1st rounder but still. There should at least be some sort of compensation in a later round.
by SoCalStites on Feb 28, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be
Unreal if they traded their 1st for Matt Cassel. Thats kind of high pick for a career backup who just had a breakout year. The Chiefs have to keep in mind that Cassel could be a one year wonder. And he had great weapons like Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Kevin Faulk, and even Jabar Gaffney. The only real receiver the Chiefs have is Dwayne Bowe.
by Bestjagfan on Feb 28, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Antonio Smith was just signed by the Texans
that concerns me. Now they’ll have two quality pass rushers coming off each edge.
by SoCalStites on Feb 28, 2009 3:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
They Could Be The New Darkhorse
Of the AFC South. The Texans are pretty close to having a Super Bowl bound team. A high octane offense, great D-line, franchise linebacker, and a big play special teams unit, not to mention arguably the best receiver in the NFL. If they fortify their defensive secondary(which will dramatically improve because of their new found pass rush specialists), they may be able to overtake the Colts this upcoming year. It really makes me worried for the Jaguars, who always seem to have trouble beating the Texans anyway.
On the bright side, I don’t see the Titans having the same success they did last year. Kerry Collins is getting older and their defensive line just doesn’t play the same without Haynesworth.
by Bestjagfan on Feb 28, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Maybe it will be Houston’s year. Of course, if Schaub can stay healthy. Now, that they traded Rosenfels to the Vikings, they have no real backup QB right now. But I would be not surprised, if they ended up as 1st in ’09 in the AFC South.
by Zoltan from Budapest on Feb 28, 2009 5:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good Point
They may need to grab a quarterback in the draft. Or maybe The Texans will bring Quinn Gray back.
by Bestjagfan on Feb 28, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
or maybe we are awesome for no reason :)
yeah theyll woop us
surreal to be teal
by Surteal on Feb 28, 2009 7:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm Not Saying
That either. The Texans’ defense needs to get it together. They really do have so much defensive talent, yet they don’t play good run or pass defense. They have all the pieces in place, in all three areas of the game, if they could put it all together, they could be dangerous.
I’m going to stay optimistic and hope they don’t find a way to put it together
Go Jags!
by Bestjagfan on Feb 28, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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