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BCC Hates Rumormongering: Addressing the Jay Cutler Trade Talks

 

There is no quicker way to damage one's credibility than to start rumors that never come to fruition. There are always a ton of rumors going around during the offseason, and we don't like to get egg on our face more often than we have to. That being said, JagNation has a story (In the pay section, so I can't/won't go into detail) that implies Cutler could be involved in a trade to Jacksonville. Jagnation started this rumor, and they are deeply connected, so there must be some truth to it.

Here's the link... WE DIDN'T START THIS RUMOR!!

PLEASE NOTE THIS IS NOT A RUMOR BCC HAS STARTED... WE'VE HEARD NOTHING AND HAVE NO INFORMATION... THIS IS SPECULATION!!! (That was for the message boards who regularly misquote us, and in turn, slander our credibility).

I ventured into the dreaded Jags Message Boards to see what people were saying (NOTE: This is never a good idea if you want intelligent info), and what I saw was a complete disregard for reality. 

Let me be the voice of reason here people... DAVID GARRARD will NOT be traded in any deal. Period. What may occur is a 3-way trade involving the Jags... In a 3-way trade, one team is usually the "middle-man" who has the leverage to negociate two different deals to accomplish what one deal would have, and then to reap the benefits. 

Here's how I see what's happening (this doesn't mean it will happen, but is SPECULATION). It is a pretty good guess though, if I do say so myself. The Bucs want Cutler, no doubt about it. However, the Bucs also need a DT. They missed out on Haynesworth and they lost Jovan Haye in free agency. ENTER BIG JOHN... I am guessing the Jags will work out a deal that involves the #8 pick (and possibly additional compensation) going to the Broncos for Cutler. The Jags would then trade Cutler to the Bucs (all three sides would have a deal in place so nobody gets stuck, that's how 3-ways work) along with Big John Henderson for a literal plethora of picks. We ditch the number 8 pick and John Henderson in one fell swoop... That is my ideal scenario. 

I will guarantee that DAVID WILL NOT BE TRADED... You can take that to the bank, regardless of how this turns out. Anyone who thinks we are going to trade a man of high character and a proven leader like David, for a prima-donna like Cutler, is out of their gourd. That goes against everything Gene stands for. If this trade occurs, the Jags will only be a middle man, that's a promise.

-Collin

 

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Wise words

Glad it was voiced

surreal to be teal

by Surteal on Mar 12, 2009 3:42 AM EDT reply actions  

That Would

Be great. Except if we trade Big John The Jags must try to maneuver into position to grab a DT in the first round.

Thats Good For Another Jacksonville... First Down.

by Bestjagfan on Mar 12, 2009 6:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Where are the plehtora of picks...

you are proposing coming from? The Bucks? I see losing the #8 and picking up what a late first and 3 and 4 rounder?

by Jaghomer on Mar 12, 2009 7:43 AM EDT reply actions  

hmmm

a 1,3,5 this year, and a 1 next year might be nice!

by Joeyy89 on Mar 12, 2009 8:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Is that still worth it?

The 1 next year is definitely attractive. Is that worth falling from #8 to #19 and giving up Big John, though? That’s a lot of picks for the Bucs to give up, but hey, they’re getting two pretty good players.

by acedarney on Mar 12, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

looking at the value chart

The jags number 8 pick is worth 1400….the problem is that tampa doesnt have a second rounder and cleveland doesnt have a third so matching the value would be hard. The only picks I can see matching are if the jags give up the #8 with Big John and recieve Tampa Bays 19th Selection and Clevelands 36th selection. This would total 1425 in value where our pick is worth 1400. I would also imagine that we would want a conditional pick in the 2010 draft for our lose of Big John, so probably something in the 3-4 round range in 2010.

by kterr on Mar 12, 2009 9:37 AM EDT reply actions  

draft value calculations

whered you get the value calculator? is there a website or something?

by JirafaBo on Mar 12, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keep in mind this is a subjective scale, and the high prices going to rookies has caused some to doubt it's accuracy...

Here’s the link…

Also note we moved up for about 200 points less than the value chart said we should have been able to. So don’t expect an even exchange according to the chrat when we deal the number 8 pick

The End Is Nigh...

by silencecs on Mar 12, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think..

the jags would love an additional first next year if we could trade down this year aswell, From what ive seen it appears to be the way Gene wants to work

by Joeyy89 on Mar 12, 2009 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Would love to see that trade

With Oher and Andre Smith falling in stock we could potentially steal a stalwart LT and some value picks while trading away an overpriced pick and overpriced (yet beloved) veteran. I’m a fan of Big John, but we need to get more athletic on the line and he’s still young enough to derive value. Based upon the depth of the draft and our various needs I’m not a fan of the 8th pick either. Wheel and deal, Gene!

by Jags-Fan-In-Chicago on Mar 12, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I actually wouldn't mind Cutler on this team

I liked him in college, he’s definitely better than VY or Leinart, and I think he could actually do pretty well on a team that has a defense. But of course, the Jags are not going to trade for him, and I’m ok with that. No more QB controversy for a few years. That’s why I don’t want the Jags taking Sanchez or Stafford either.

by MoveThoseChains on Mar 12, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I like David much more

Cutler has the athleticism, but I just don’t think he’s an NFL QB. Maybe I’m wrong, but he seems to lose way too many close games and he just doesn’t seem like a crunch time guy to me.

by Adam Stites on Mar 12, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he'll be able to deal with the diabetes

I wouldn’t worry about that too much. It’s a pretty normal life once you get diagnosed and just keep up with your monitoring and insulin and stuff.

And SoCal, I didn’t mean to say that I liked Cutler more. I definitely prefer David. I just happen to also like Cutler, and of the three QBs from his draft, he’s definitely the best and the one that is most likely to be a successful NFL QB. The Broncos just need to get a little healthier and rebuild that defense, and he had NO running game (or healthy running backs) to help him out last year.

by MoveThoseChains on Mar 12, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

They had no

RB’s, but they still had a running game.

by Ewdtrey on Mar 12, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not quite

I quite disagree. Diabetes is not a career ending disease as long as he has control, which he says he has. There is no “fact”. I speak with knowledge having diabetes myself.

Sean Jax Beach Bum

by cuffs007 on Mar 12, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just don't want him

Because he’s a prima-donna piece of shit like someone else said earlier.

by harveyismyboy on Mar 14, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Think

Cutler has the potential to be great one day. But he does not fit the Jaguars current offense. Cutler is without a doubt more of a spread/dink and dunk, then fire it deep kind of guy; and thats what he is going to run next year(assuming he stays in Denver) with former Pats coordinator Josh McDaniels at the helm. He wouldn’t have as much success down here, trust me.

Though if the Jags could find a deep receiver, and rebuild the o-line, we could set up an Air Coryell type offense; which is based on power running, and then throwing intermediate/deep once you have set up the pass. I’m gettin’ tired of all these slants and drag routes.

Thats Good For Another Jacksonville... First Down.

by Bestjagfan on Mar 12, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think I could disagree with you more

Cutler’s arm is awesome. I promise you he can throw it much much much farther than David could ever dream of. Now accuracy is probably another story, but you have it totally backwards. A Jags offense run by Cutler would be much more than a dink/dunk slant/curl offense.

by MoveThoseChains on Mar 12, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats a good point but sad

imo david is very accurate
look at 2007, watch last year he hits them in the chest/hands and they drop it. it upsets me to watch our wrs. so he throws to mjd. i would too

surreal to be teal

by Surteal on Mar 13, 2009 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cutler

I know Cutler played in a West Coast system, which lives on dinking and dunking to set up the run. But later in the year this past season they began to spread it out even more, and started to look more like the Patriots. They threw deep to Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal, and intermediate to their tight ends.

The reason the Jaguars’ passing game was so dink and dunk is because of the offensive line situation, and receivers that had the inability to get deep. That’s why I said if the offensive line gets worked out, and we grab a deep receiver to complement Matt Jones, then we will throw deep when we do pass. Think back to 2007 when the Intermediate pass was the Jags staple of the passing game. If all this happened and why had Cutler(even though I prefer David), it would be a deep offense.

Thats Good For Another Jacksonville... First Down.

by Bestjagfan on Mar 13, 2009 7:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

David hasnt had the oppurtunity

or the WR’s to proove how strong his arm is.

by JagSoldier on Mar 13, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha

rumors… waste of time, waste of time, waste of time, waste of time

Sean Jax Beach Bum

by cuffs007 on Mar 12, 2009 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

wellllll

using the “til they come true”… i suppose that if we were to read a hundred rumors, one might come true… so, that would me a major waste of reading to get to one true piece… just making a point…. and whoever was passing along rumor after rumor after rumor would say “see? i told ya” haha

Sean Jax Beach Bum

by cuffs007 on Mar 13, 2009 11:13 AM EDT reply actions  

While Too Many

Rumors can be a bad thing, I don’t mind some. They keep your hopes up that your team can get a steal or a great deal, not to mention it keeps us entertained during the loooong off season.

Thats Good For Another Jacksonville... First Down.

by Bestjagfan on Mar 13, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where did the writer of this article get

His opinion that Cutler was a prima donna?

I think, once the Jags got some defense, i’d be scared of a Cutler lead Jacksonville.

by furrycolt on Mar 14, 2009 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

When someone who was only a 2nd or 3rd year player says...

He’s better than John Elway, and then he whines like a baby when he finds out he might be traded, and then he doesn’t back any of his smack talk with on the field success….

Thats when I call him a prima-donna.

The End Is Nigh...

by silencecs on Mar 14, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well that really did come out of nowhere, the trade stuff

I’d be pretty upset too. Especially if my replacement was the ultimate one-year wonder Cassell.

by MoveThoseChains on Mar 14, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Upset yes

But it took him how long to even talk to his coach about it? Then when he did he couldn’t resolve it? Cmon, you’re supposed to be a leader, step up and make peace with the situation.

by Adam Stites on Mar 14, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Prima-donna or not

He’s not going to be a Jaguar and there was never any chance that he would be a Jaguar

by Adam Stites on Mar 14, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

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