John and ........... John's BS: Episode 1

by Jonathan Loesche on Mar 23, 2009 12:02 PM EDT in Off-Topic Comment 32 comments

Welcome to Bullshit, the column where we take a critical look at popular claims surrounding the Jacksonville Jaguars. In today's column, we're going to look at the persistent rumors the Jaguars are going to trade their first round pick for disgruntled Broncos Quarterback Jay Cutler.

The Claim: The Jaguars are in contacts with the Broncos to trade for Jay Cutler. They are motivated to do this because David Garrard slipped as a QB last season and is on the other side of 30.

The Evidence: Unnamed but "Credible" sources. Hmm, I wonder if they can point me towards Bigfoot, too?

The Facts:Now, let's look at the facts. Garrard set a career high with 3942 total yards and 17 touchdowns in 2008. He rushed for 31 first downs as well. Keep in mind this was with perhaps the worst wide receiver corps and offensive line south of Detroit.

Garrard may be over 30, but he has only been a starter for three seasons. Assuming the Jaguars get an offensive line in front of him again, his body should allow for at least another five productive seasons.

As for these "Credible" sources, I wonder where they're getting their info from. Since Gene Smith has become GM, he has stressed two things: Character, and picks over players. Since then, I have seen nothing that would make me think he'll go back on that. Why then, would he simply change directions now and trade the #8 pick for a Quarterback?

While Cutler has a 4,500 yard season to his credit, what else has he done? The Broncos have yet to regain their status when Elway left. Hell, even when Brian Griese and Jake Plummer were at the helm, the Broncos were a consistent playoff team. Cutler and the Broncos managed to choke a three game lead in the AFC West last year.

The Verdict: Why would the Jaguars, who just went through 3+ seasons of a constant QB controversey, put themselves right back into one? David Garrard is the epitome of a workman QB who gets the job done. Get him some more targets and some protection, and he'll do fine.

As for trading for Jay Cutler, well friends, that's bullshit.

-John

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Would you trade for Jay Cutler

Yes

50 votes

No

175 votes

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Well said!

Cutler? Hell, no!
1. There are very few things in this team what we can describe as “lock”. David is one of that! I’m tired when I read elsewhere (very often, sadly) that David’s fault, that the team ended in 5-11 in 2008. Oh yeah, really that was the problem, I get it…
2. Many wrote here before me in another topics, that Cutler just don’t fit in the Jaguars current system! So there is another good reason for stay away from him.
3. I’ve been (trying to) monitoring a little bit this whole Cutler-McDaniels situation. (My view is, yeah Cutler and his agent behavior is a little bit too much for me, but McDaniels was the bigger idiot to try to trade him for Cassel, but this is just of course my view) And in the very fresh new MMQB, Peter King says based on his experience in the owner’s meeting
is that Cutler won’t go anywhere in the near future (See& read more here: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/03/22/owners/index.html?eref=T1)By the way, a little detour:in today’s column he speaks about Torry Holt as the newest member of …no, not the Jaguars, but the Titans. Ouch…
6. I think, on the other hand, Torry Holt is bound for Tennessee. He’s going to like running under those Kerry Collins bombs.
(page 4)
So, I agree with you, John. This rumour has nothing common with reality.

I’m waiting for the next edition!

by Zoltan from Budapest on Mar 23, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The Saga of Jay Cutler...

never has more been said about someone who has done so little.

by Jaggernaut on Mar 23, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The only reason why he says about Holt going to Tennessee is because the day OF he got released, the Titans were working out a trade for him, however Holt would not re-structure his contract, so therefore the Titans told the Rams nevermind, which let to his release…

by floridafalcons#63 on Mar 23, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hell No

Garrard is the man, and we can pick up a rookie to develop. Like you said, get Garrard some targets and an o-line,(I’m going out on a limb here), he could be in the Pro Bowl.

By The Way, nice read. I can’t wait until the next addition.

Thats Good For Another Jacksonville... First Down.

by Bestjagfan on Mar 23, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Cosign.

by Slvrgun on Mar 23, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Probowl?

David on Probowl? Are you kidding me? Even if he throw 4500 yars, 28TDs and 5 interceptions he will be not selected because, there is Peyton M, anbd Brady (2 locks in every year…) and then Let’s see Cutler (if he stays in Denver) Roethilsberger, Rivers, just to name a few. David has no big reputation in the U.S.
Wanna see how low they think about him?
I know it is ESPN, but just place all the QB’s in the place and vote, and see the sad reality…(about how the most thinks about him…)
http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=23#topOfList
EVEN STAFFORD AND SANCHEZ HAS MORE NR.1 PLACES , like DAVID (He is only before Jeff Garcia!!!!)
And he is overall 23rd after Jason Campbell, and Garcia from 33…
I don’t wanna cry about the no respect thing, because that leads also nowhere, but there is no attention overall to the jags.
Otherwise how in the world was MJD anywhere near so far to the probowl…

by Zoltan from Budapest on Mar 23, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

"Going Out on a Limb"

Sure, it may not be likely, but it is possible. Brady will be back in the Pro Bowl, as they have so many weapons our practice squader Paul Smith could probably get there. Plus they have a new found running game with Freddy T. Peyton Manning may, or may not. Marvin Harrison is gone. Reggie Wayne is great, but he will always be bracketed and double covered now that the only other threatening receiver they have is Anthony Gonzalez, and most FS can handle Dallas Clark. Their core offensive lineman are a year older, and Peyton seems to be slowing down. Roethlisberger lost Nate Washington, and Hines Ward is just a possession receiver now, although Santonio Holmes is someone to be reckoned with. Roethlisberger is a great clutch quarterback, not a great statistical one, which seems to be all the Pro Bowl is based on now days anyway, Stats. Philip Rivers may put up about the same numbers as Garrard, minus the running numbers. Keep in mind the Chargers had to throw a lot more than they wanted to last year because of a collapsed defense and no running game.

David Garrard has a chance. You have to admit the Jags began to spread things out towards the end of the year, and they threw more. I know the running game was struggling, but the pass blocking was worse, yet they still threw more. Maybe this is a sign of things to come. Maybe they plan on letting MJD run the ball 20 times a game, but then throw it around 35-40 times a game. If they do this, with good receivers and an offensive line Garrard could easily throw 25-30 touchdowns, and get over 4,000 yards.(He got 3,600 this past year with the conditions this team was in). And if you add in about 300 yards rushing, with 3-4 touchdowns rushing; generously that would be about 4,500 total yards, with 33-34 total touchdowns. And if we return to the playoffs(remember the title of this comment is “Going out on a Limb”) then if Garrard doesn’t get into the Pro Bowl, the Pro Bowl is corrupt and should be done away with.

Thats Good For Another Jacksonville... First Down.

by Bestjagfan on Mar 23, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Garrard wont get numbers like that again

The 2008 Jaguars were a team that fell behind in almost every game and had to pass the ball 55% of the time. Now Gene Smith is trying to rebuild the offensive line and get the team backing to its running identity. To get to the Pro Bowl Garrard will have to be effecient with the football and dazzle people with his QB rating.

I agree with you, Zoltan, that that list is a travesty to David Garrard and it reflects why the Jaguars never get more than 2 or 3 players in the Pro Bowl. However, if a Jaguar has a good year statistically then the fans will vote for them and they will get in from the players and coaches part of the vote. I don’t expect the Jaguars to ever get as many players as the Redskins and the Patriots, but the players who truly play at an elite level can get in.

Also, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning usually always get in, but they don’t always play. When they turn it down, the spot goes to an alternate. Very rarely do the 3 quarterbacks initially announced actually play in the game.

by SoCalStites on Mar 23, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You don't get it 100%ly

Peyton Manning and Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger and I can continue my list have the repuatation, publicity and recognition what David will never get, until he not lead this team to the Superbowl, but I doubt, that after he did it, would get that…
It is so nice that you show us, that David has a shot. Then I write down two words: Fred Taylor!
The leasue, the sportswriters (at least some of them) lobbied for him in 2007, and he get to the Pro Bowl, because Willie Parker was injured…. See, sadly in a premium postion, David need a small miracle to get in, because (see the ESPN poll as evidence) the fans has a very low opinion about him. And fans has 20% in the voting(which makes the whole process to me a little bit of a joke, but that’s me…)….

by Zoltan from Budapest on Mar 23, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I had him in my top ten. I to was surprised and pissed when I saw how low he was rated.

by JagSoldier on Mar 23, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was so upset when I saw the statistics

And not the 23rd(Which also a littel bit of shame, because he is AT LEAST around the very middle; 15th-17th place) overall place, but he get less 1st places, then 2 kids, who never throw a ball in the NFL?? David won that playoff game in Pittsburgh(with that 32 yard run), and he was the guy, who stayed alive the Jaguars chances in New England in the playoffs,where he was almost that good on that day as Brady, and he has worse numbers like Stafford and Sanchez? Thanks ESPN nation, you are really an expert in football!
Yeah the Jaguars had a baaad season last year, but with that some people push down David in the toilet?

by Zoltan from Budapest on Mar 23, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

terrible

cutler is the definition of gun-slinger. he throws for a lot of yards but also makes some crazy choices. when you are known for your run game and touch defense, the last thing you need is a QB making bad decisions.

by abeaugh on Mar 23, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Good Points To Clear The Air Of The "B.S."

You couldn’t come up with something a little less “stinky” for the name of the article? Here are a few ideas: 1. “The Putrid Bile Spewed Forth By Four Letter Networks” or what about “Horse Manure Shoveled By Sites With That Contain The Word "Nation”? No? Too long? Yea…Bullshit sums it up nice and clean. Well, maybe not so “clean”.

Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Fred Taylor. Sounds about right.

by JvilleJag2 on Mar 23, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I believe in calling things what they are

And the rumors about Cutler fall into this category

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by Jonathan Loesche on Mar 23, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed.

It is a lot of B.S. That seems to be the state of reporting these days though.

Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Fred Taylor. Sounds about right.

by JvilleJag2 on Mar 23, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

up next

calvin johnson rumor?
john henderson rumor?

scout.com’s Charlie Bernstein doesnt seem to think big john will be here

about cutler, please keep him away fromus

surreal to be teal

by Surteal on Mar 23, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

There's enough actual evidence that Big John is on the trading block

So that won’t get one. Though Mort said something to the effect of the Jaguars are looking are Percy Harvin because he was a popular young player. If the “Jags draft Gators/Noles/Canes to sell tickets” thing comes up again, that’ll certainly get an episode.

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by Jonathan Loesche on Mar 23, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

because he was a popular local player*

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by Jonathan Loesche on Mar 23, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol… Big John… bye bye? Just a matter of time…

by floridafalcons#63 on Mar 23, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

you heard anything, Mr. Insider?

by harveyismyboy on Mar 23, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Jags are seeing what the market is like for him, but are staying very secretive about it… I expect something to be done just before the draft or on draft day… That is depending on what the market is like for him… Have not heard any other potential offers then what I had posted before…

by floridafalcons#63 on Mar 23, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I going to unleash the fury

on the next guy who calls Garrard a one hit wonder.

by JagSoldier on Mar 23, 2009 5:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't quite get the title

but I like to article and the basis from which it is written.

The concept of a BS column is actually quite inventive. Please keep this idea alive.

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by Tkopa on Mar 23, 2009 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

while its great the jags have positive fans, reading this….what could be with garrard if we just get that one…. (did you not learn anything last year about the superbowl hype???) to say you would not welcome cutlers arm over garrards is just plain idiotic. and to keep pretending that the jags are just a player away from what sounds like last years hype….come on here. also keep pretending the colts recievers are not going to be explosive. the colts are going to get peyton another weapon also. keep pretending peyton is slowing down too.

I dont know but this sounds like alot of the koolaid I read last year. the jags have so many holes to fill…again congrats on staying positive but to pretend you would rather have garrard than cutler is just laughable

by kinnickcolt on Mar 23, 2009 6:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

You are an idiot, and do not know anything about what the jaguars need.

by harveyismyboy on Mar 23, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've missed ya Harvey

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by Tkopa on Mar 23, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Be Nice.

Attack the argument, not the arguer.

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by River City Rage on Mar 23, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why?

Cutler hasn’t shown much. Garrard has one more playoff win then he does. Either way, it’s not about whether Garrard or Cutler is the better quarterback. It’s about whether there is a realistic chance of the Jaguars trading the #8 pick for Cutler. Based off of everything I’ve seen so far, that won’t happen.

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by Jonathan Loesche on Mar 23, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i honestly

dont like cutler
Garrard with cutlers wr’s would be something to watch.
Cutlers greatest value is his age

surreal to be teal

by Surteal on Mar 24, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

Im not saying that Cutler is a bad Qb. He is stronger in some areas than Garrard but I still would keep the guy we have. I think Garrard is a winner with a great personality. He is learning how to be a leader and it is my opinion that once he gets a better line and some inprovement in the WR corp he will really step it up. Cutler is going down a dark road right now and it makes his future hard to read.

by JagSoldier on Mar 24, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs