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Tuesday Morning Shakedown: Meandering Musings

 

Greetings all!  I know you've been wondering just where in the world I've gone over the last week or so.  Let's just say that the real world got a little hot and heavy and I had to take a short breather to keep things going.  In the last few weeks I've started a new job, found an apartment, and just about finished my resettlement in a very southern part of the Sunshine state.

With that, of course, comes that I'm coming to a few recent Jaguars stories a bit late in the game.  I regret to say that I let the Jaguars fall from my list of priorities for a bit there, but have no fear, I'm ready to go as we enter the final stretch toward the NFL draft.

Speaking of the draft, the Jaguars picked up two seventh-round compensatory draft picks.  They're late in the draft and cannot be traded, but I'll take whatever we can get.  The Jaguars now have three picks in the seventh round, in a draft as deep as this it's like having an extra 6th as far as I'm concerned. 

I'm a big fan of the Jaguars offering Mark Sanchez a nice steak dinner, though only if it means that the New York Jets pay big time for the 8th overall pick in order to take him.  I'd like to see the Jaguars really pull a fast one and convince everyone that the Dirty Sanchez stops at 8, just so the Jets pony up their first and third and more to draft him.  On the flip side, I'm no fan of trading for Jay Cutler, despite how much I love the Denver Drama Debacle. 

Torry Holt: Eh.  I know we need a veteran receiver to groom our current group and to show David Garrard what's supposed to happen after a receiver catches the ball (hint, it's not "Fall Down"), but I just can't get excited about a player who's going to be expensive and probably not with the team when they get the train turned around.  Not that I'm expecting the Jaguars to take more than three seasons to get back to the Playoffs, but even a veteran WR like Holt seems more extravagant than what I read out of Gene Smith.

I think I've settled on who I'd like to see in Jacksonville if they have to stay at the 8th overall pick.  B.J. Raji.  Cal me crazy, but I'm still high on the guy, especially if paired with John Henderson.

Also, and I hope I'm not wrong on this, but I don't see the Jaguars trading Henderson.  It would add yet another hole to a team that still dosen't have the draft ammunition to fix all the gaps, especially on the defensive line.  I worry that trading Henderson would force the Jaguars to reach at DT.  Raji + Henderson = Good.  Raji + Trading Henderson = Bad.  The Jaguars current roster at DT includes Henderson, Derek Landri, Rob Meier, Atiyyah Ellison, and  Jonathan Lewis, the latter of which I failed to ever mention on BCC since they were signed.

You see how trading Henderson makes for an awfully thin group?

Anyhow, what's on your mind this morning?

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Tuesday Morning?

Unless your apartment is in Zoltan’s neck of the woods, it’s still Monday night ;).

On Holt: If Smith is bringing him in, then he must have come down on his contract. If that’s the case, then I hope he’s lining up as our #1 next year.

On Raji: Here’s what I said on a Mock I did on another site


I’m not convinced BJ Raji can be effective in a 4-3, not to mention his character issues and consistently being labeled as an “Underachiever.” I think whoever ends up with him is getting Albert Haynesworth 2.0, aka a guy who is dominant when the light goes on but only goes on when playing for a contract.

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by Jonathan Loesche on Mar 23, 2009 11:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, right now is 4 AM

Here.. So for me it’s Tuesday.

Here.. So for me it’s Tuesday.Now, to reflect what you written (By the way: Congartulation to the new job, Chris)

Here.. So for me it’s Tuesday.Now, to reflect what you written (By the way: Congartulation to the new job, Chris)Holt: I understand your feelings after the “sucess” with Porter I have a little bad feeling about big name WRs. But If Gene can deal with him, in a not too expensive price(and once again, after the Porter mess, I think he will do the negotianions carefully), then: “Welcome here Torry!”
Raji: Well I have found this from Walterfootball from Matt McGuire:
Based on my sources, Jacksonville will not select Raji. They have Rob Meier and John Henderson, and they do not feel like defensive tackle is a big need
We will see. I still at the new-found position of trade down to (probably #17th) for extra picks.

Here.. So for me it’s Tuesday.Now, to reflect what you written (By the way: Congartulation to the new job, Chris)Holt: I understand your feelings after the “sucess” with Porter I have a little bad feeling about big name WRs. But If Gene can deal with him, in a not too expensive price(and once again, after the Porter mess, I think he will do the negotianions carefully), then: “Welcome here Torry!”
Raji: Well I have found this from Walterfootball from Matt McGuire:
Based on my sources, Jacksonville will not select Raji. They have Rob Meier and John Henderson, and they do not feel like defensive tackle is a big need
We will see. I still at the new-found position of trade down to (probably #17th) for extra picks.And about John Henderson: Well I say: NOT trade him. Trade down, but not with trading him away!

Here.. So for me it’s Tuesday.Now, to reflect what you written (By the way: Congartulation to the new job, Chris)Holt: I understand your feelings after the “sucess” with Porter I have a little bad feeling about big name WRs. But If Gene can deal with him, in a not too expensive price(and once again, after the Porter mess, I think he will do the negotianions carefully), then: “Welcome here Torry!”
Raji: Well I have found this from Walterfootball from Matt McGuire:
Based on my sources, Jacksonville will not select Raji. They have Rob Meier and John Henderson, and they do not feel like defensive tackle is a big need
We will see. I still at the new-found position of trade down to (probably #17th) for extra picks.And about John Henderson: Well I say: NOT trade him. Trade down, but not with trading him away!Good morning folks, once again(hahaha)

by Zoltan from Budapest on Mar 23, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh

How that coment turned out to be like this? I certanly not wrote it this way…

by Zoltan from Budapest on Mar 23, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

You forgot to mention that, according to some, the Jags are getting new uniforms. Not an Earth-shattering piece of news but it is news. News+Jags=Good.

Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Fred Taylor. Sounds about right.

by JvilleJag2 on Mar 23, 2009 11:13 PM EDT reply actions  

id love

raji and henderson together. it would be great.

good read

surreal to be teal

by Surteal on Mar 23, 2009 11:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Nein,Nada,No

I don’t think Raji would fit on this team. Raji=3-4 NT. Henderson+trade=lots of picks=:) jaguars fans.

Thats Good For Another Jacksonville... First Down.

by Bestjagfan on Mar 23, 2009 11:23 PM EDT reply actions  

If we trade Henderson,

we won’t have hardly any tackles. Meier and Landri is not a very dominant front. You can’t take a hit at one position like that, especially not voluntarily.

by acedarney on Mar 24, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather have

either Paria Jerry or Ziggy Hood.

by Ewdtrey on Mar 25, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

*Yeah*

That is a simple equation to follow. We need players badly. How did we get so old so quick?

by DeeMoe on Mar 23, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Simple

4 years of QB controvery+ 4 years of constant draft busts=quickly running out of talent

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by Jonathan Loesche on Mar 23, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok

Makes good sense to me FSBlue. Looking at the kid Ramses Barden, hope I spelled it right. I think he or the Knox kid from the small college gets some third or fourth round consideration.

by DeeMoe on Mar 23, 2009 11:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I have Knox on my Mock 5 for the Jaguars...looks like a Gem.

(1) 17th: RB Knowshon Moreno – Don’t let the pedestrain 40 fool anybody. This guy has great burst, excellent vision, a naturaly tendency of finding lanes and holes, displays remarkable lateral quickness, is strong and powerful, agile and he has a plethora of moves.

 

(2) 7th:WR Percy Harvin – Versatile player with great speed. Can turn on a dime. Yes I think he will last until the 2nd round. (I hope).

(2) 20th: OLB/DE/TE Connor Barwin: Yes his pro day was spectacular (4.47 forty) but he is still a little raw (lacks plethora of pass rushing techniques), needs to bulk up, and has no defined position. Has good speed and his motor never stops. Personally I’d like to see him at TE or OLB.

(3) 8th: S Rashad Johnson: Immediate upgrade at SS. Great hands, fluid mover. Matches up in coverage well. Excellent football instincts and smarts. Lacks elite speed and bulk.

(4) 7th: WR Johnny Knox: Knox is a legitimate deep threat. Runs a low 4.3, high 4.2. With his blazing speed and natural hands, Knox was the favorite target of Abilene Christian quarterbacks. In just two seasons at the school, he set the ACU and Lone Star Conference all-time record with 30 touchdown receptions. In just 25 games for the Wildcats, he caught 118 passes, the seventh-best career total in school history. His 2,227 receiving yards placed fifth on the team’s all-time record list (per CBS).

by Slvrgun on Mar 23, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are right Slvrgun

Gene Smith is looking for productive and/or instinctive guys who love the game. I like your picks there. Any OL predictions?

by DeeMoe on Mar 23, 2009 11:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Disagree about Big John...

If we trade him it will be for more picks this season, which could be used to grab a DT.

Big John won’t be here when the team gets turned around anyways, so why not dump him while he has value… he wasn’t great last season either…. that’s one horrible season (2 years ago) and one average season…. oh and a 5 mil dollar salary.

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by silencecs on Mar 24, 2009 12:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree to disagree

The last 3 years he’s totaled around 34 solo tackles, 2.5 sacks. In 2005 53 solo tackles , 3.0 sacks. So yes his production is sliding a little but I think he is still one of the best DT’s in the game. Actually look at Haynesworth stats , Henderson’s are actually a lot better except the last two years. Anyways I think Henderson should stay another year or two. I don’t want to see our run defense with two rookie DT’s on both sides.

by cliff1982 on Mar 24, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or Rob Mier with a rookie DT

by cliff1982 on Mar 24, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are you saying Theo Horracks is equal to John Hendeson?

I am missing the point of Theo Horracks, can you expand on it please?

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by Tkopa on Mar 24, 2009 6:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Of course I'm not saying that...

He’s never played an NFL down. My point is that we have more bodies at DT than people think. Tony McDaniel was a UDFA who started garnering attention his 2nd year. Theo has now had a year to condition his body for an NFL workload, and will have a great opportunity to come in and contribute. He was a guy I hoped the Jags would pick last year i the 6th or 7th, and I was thrilled when he came in UDFA. He’s got serious potential.

-Collin

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by silencecs on Mar 24, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I knew you didn't think he was a second John Henderson

I just wanted to get a rise out of you.

I did miss the point of bringing Theo up, so thanks. What happened to is it Mkisto Bruce? He was a DE not DT right?

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by Tkopa on Mar 24, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

DE

He was the one who had like 2.5 sacks against the Falcons, only playing in 2 quarters. I know it was against back ups, but the guy must have some pass rush talent.

Thats Good For Another Jacksonville... First Down.

by Bestjagfan on Mar 24, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah Mkristo

is not very fast or strong, but he’s pretty savvy.
I can’t believe the lack of confidence people have in Derek Landri. He’s been lights out. Not to mention he’s been performing better than Henderson. The problem is we need someone to compliment Landri. A true run stuffer with lots of range to clean up messes left behind by Landri’s wreckage. A strong 6’3" 320 lbs and long armed DT should do it. Of course he has to be a player. The problems is that there aren’t a whole lot of them out there.

by Ewdtrey on Mar 25, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Watch for a guy

named Khalif Mitchell, a DT from ECU at 6’5" 320 lbs and 34.5" arms. He’s under the radar because he was hurt last year.

by Ewdtrey on Mar 25, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

If you are going to rebuild your roster, you need picks. Name players, albeit not so great, get picks. I think we can at least get a third round pick for Big John.

by DeeMoe on Mar 24, 2009 12:37 AM EDT reply actions  

B J Raji is a risk

There is a ton of potential in him and a great difference maker for our team if….

I could understand whether taking a year off of college was a mistake or just part of his character and will emerge again. I want players that show up every week with their head in the game. That is an open question about Raji.

Trading John Henderson is not right for this year. There has been a lot of turnover in starters already, Big John is a quality player and there is no reason to let him go. I don’t care if he does draw a two and a five. My vote is he stays.

Chris – it is good to see you return.

 - Terry

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by Tkopa on Mar 24, 2009 6:23 AM EDT reply actions  

I think that we all know that the next few seasons are going to be tough ones. Big John isnt getting any better so we might as well get what we can and start building young guys up so we are competitive in the future.

by JagSoldier on Mar 24, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Torry Holt...

what’s his motivation here? At least you can say with Tra Thomas, he’s a homer getting close to the end of his career, wanting to be close to friends and family. He’s a tackle can protect Garrard.
I don’t know… I’m still stinging from the Jerry Porter fiasco.

by Jaghomer on Mar 24, 2009 9:17 AM EDT reply actions  

man... I'd like to see

the phone records from the Jags front office.

by Jaghomer on Mar 24, 2009 9:20 AM EDT reply actions  

If Gene pays a not too crazy salary to him

then welcome aboard Mr. Holt.
I’m supporting his signings because what Mike Walker said in Vic’s article, that he could learn so much from a great WR like Holt, and that would be true to the new rookies who will join the Jags as well. At least in the first games, there would be a THREAT in the field in the passing game!

by Zoltan from Budapest on Mar 24, 2009 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

News from George Wrighster

According to ESPN’s Paul Kuharsky He will be traded or released before April 6th, and that’s what the Jaguar front office told him:

“From an e-mail from tight end George Wrighster: "I found out the Jaguars will make a move on me before the start of offseason program on April 6th. Either trade or release.”

I root for a trade of course!

by Zoltan from Budapest on Mar 24, 2009 9:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Hard to trade a guy about to be released

This is like when my wife says “I’m about to throw this food out, do you want it?” Let me get this straight, it is ready for the garbage but I have one more crack at it?

We are about to release this guy, does anyone want to give us anything of value for him? Anyone?

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by Tkopa on Mar 24, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let's hope so

that there will be someone. Hey, this team traded a 6-rounde last year for Troy Williamson…

by Zoltan from Budapest on Mar 24, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

No one is going to trade for him if they know how long they have to wait until they can get him for “free.”

Maybe he wants a new contract now. If he gets traded, the contract goes with him, and if he is released, he’s free to negotiate a new one. I doubt he’ll get anything good though.

by acedarney on Mar 24, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Big Loss

Wrightster never really did anything all that special. I’d rather have Estandia and Angulo as backup tight ends.

Thats Good For Another Jacksonville... First Down.

by Bestjagfan on Mar 24, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I think our tight ends are pretty set. I haven’t heard much about cornerback since Jenkins stunk up his workout. I guess he no longer fits our plans?

by DeeMoe on Mar 24, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe if they trade back

He should fall into the teens now. Maybe they like him at 17 (after a trade with the Jets).

by acedarney on Mar 24, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quick question

Is there a way to listen to JTW online live or do we have to wait the next day to download?

by DeeMoe on Mar 24, 2009 6:46 PM EDT reply actions  

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