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One of the things I dislike about the corporate world is the fear of expressing an opinion some people feel. They wait until a consensus is formed and then jump on the bandwagon. This doesn't do anyone any real good. Opinions are the basis of our American culture and something our founders cherished greatly. The exchange of ideas was considered a valuable way to move forward into the future. It does carry risk; you risk being thought less of or worse, dismissed.

Welcome to BCC, a place where ideas are exchanged freely. This is what drives the knowledge of our reader base to the point of high level understanding. We here know what is happening to our team. A lot of credit goes to Chris for fostering this atmosphere. With that preamble, I offer my own opinions. Most are probably wrong, but sometimes, as the saying goes, even a blind pig finds an acorn. So here goes.

I really like Quentin Groves. When he came to the first rookie camp, he left saying he needed to learn technique and off he went to study. During the games I was at, he tried to fire up the crowd. He was a rookie not having a great opening season, but he still worked it, on special teams and during the games. This year he will show up a reportedly 20 pounds heftier, ready to play. I like that. Quentin Groves should get a warm welcome at training camp by us fans and encourage him. I am ready to predict a strong Quentin Groves season.

If we select a quarterback and it is Mark Sanchez, I am excited. Quarterbacks go down in this league and a strong ready to play younger guy is what I would love to see. I know we have Cleo Lemon but I think with Cleo my hands will hit my head yelling"He was wide open!" Mark Sanchez wants to be a great quarterback and if he is on our team, I think he will be great. I'll be excited when he comes into a game.

Having said that, I still think a strong left tackle is the right choice. One of the privileges of selecting high in the draft is gaining a 15 year guy anchoring the left side. Highly drafted left tackles have a great track record of being with the team for a long time. The stat I saw was over 90% of them become starters for the team a majority of the time over a five year period. It is a safe choice and one you get to make when selecting in the top ten. Despite his recent behavior, I am sold on Andre Smith and would be very happy to see him with us.

Torry Holt is exciting because he makes a defense watch him. He isn't the receiver of a few years ago, but he is still dangerous. A defensive coordinator must account for him and that means someone else is open. If he doesn't come, fine. I do think if he does, he will show up in shape and ready to play. His presence helps the character of the team.

I know David is our quarterback but I still have misgivings about him. I do think he picks his target before the snap and can be bluffed by a good defense. I watched the Colts do this to him and I think other teams can pick up on it. He also struggles with the long ball. He is a schooled quarterback but not instinctive. One thing for sure, he is tough and can carry the team at times. Is he in the top five in the AFC? Sorry, but no. He is not our weak link, but we will need a new QB in three years. Time to develop a younger guy, in fact now is the right time.

Do we need to draft a Wide Receiver? Yes, but not in the first round. I don't see anyone I trust coming out this year as a first round candidate. There are good receivers in this draft and I expect to see a third round selection.

What the draft does have is plenty of good offensive linemen. If I were picking for the Jaguars, I would build the lines. This is a good year to do it. I remember Mark Rypien with the Redskins behind the Hogs. He looked fantastic, but had the protection. Decent quarterbacks look very good behind a good line.

I like the feel of this year. The player issues are becoming a thing of the past. The Jaguars, in my opinion, have been a good team that had a propensity to do stupid things. Too many games in 2006 and 2007 were close for no reason. The 2006 season had the Bills beating us, the Redskins beating us, the Texans and the Titans beating us for stupid reasons. That was a great team that showed nothing for it. One thing the Jaguars didn't draft was intelligence. The quality of players starting to come now is beginning to impress me. I think we will show up to play this year. God I hope I'm not becoming a homer.

In closing, let me say again, BCC is a safe place to express it. Bring your opinion, they are welcome here. Save the vitriol for the Colts, I am guessing opening day we will see them.

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I have no problem drafting a QB

but I really don’t like one coming out of the first round. For that reason I wouldn’t be happy if Sanchez gets drafted. I like Rhett Bomar and Curtis Painter in the later rounds to groom for later seasons.

by Adam Stites on Mar 27, 2009 11:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I took a Dale Carnegie course once

and in it they taught us to respond to a different opinion by saying “You could be right” Why? Because a lot of time it is true.

So, SoCalSites… You could be right.

Thanks for responding.

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by Tkopa on Mar 28, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

You took a Dale Carnegie class?

I read “How to make friends and influence people” a while ago. Of all the books my dad’s thrown at me and told me to read, that’s easily one of the best.

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by Jonathan Loesche on Mar 28, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I did

The course was as great as the book. Orlando has a great guy owning the place, he is like 70 yrs old and has been doing it for 40 years.

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by Tkopa on Mar 28, 2009 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Quentin Groves

All good points. Not sure how good he could be but he is certainly looking mature and acting like a leader. He was at the Fred Taylor farewell at the rotary club. I think that says a lot. Any player that was there had to have come out moved and ready to represent Jacksonville and the owners. He is taking his career seriously just like Fred Taylor did.

by keepitreal on Mar 28, 2009 12:04 AM EDT reply actions  

yes keepitreal

I agree he is taking it svery seriously. Any guy who is mature enough in his 2nd year to go to a legend teamate’s farewell is a keeper in my mind. He seems extremely dedicated and I love it.

by harveyismyboy on Mar 28, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice posting......

I agree about Garrard about picking out his target before the snap. I think Garrard’s subpar year last year was mainly due to the decimated o line. If I remember correctly, he gave us the lead in a couple of early games only to have the defense surrender the lead. Our defense has been porous the last 2 years. I think Holt’s down year was an abberation. I would guess the Rams were always behind so the defenses probably weren’t putting 8 in the box, defending the pass more than the run. I still have faith in Mike Walker emerging and having Holt will only help.

by Jaggernaut on Mar 28, 2009 12:17 AM EDT reply actions  

I disagree about David

Certainly towards the end of the year, but I think that’s due to the fact the JU Dolphins could have provided about as good of a pocket for him. Remember, he’s a Northcutt drop away from going punch for punch with Tom Brady.

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by Jonathan Loesche on Mar 28, 2009 12:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Also, considering Collin made a post comparining the front office to Star Wars

BCC advertising Watchmen get’s a thumbs up from me

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by Jonathan Loesche on Mar 28, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just heard from a couple of minutes ago a line

from Bill Bradley (former NBA star and senator) answer to Bil Maher’s question about why the Knicks are so bad for a long time . He answered, because they drafted statistics instead of characters! Whoa, I’m stunned. And I agree, with those who says don’t pick a WR in the 1st round, don’t fall the temptation once again. BAP + character. I hope that will be counting 4 weeks from now.

Sanchez: I’m ok with the pick, but the real question with him is stoill this: would you pay 18 million $ to a guy who will sit on the bench this year and maybe more? That is the BIG question about him. Cause last year one of the reason the chemistry went bad, because some players who got huuuuuge salaries, they not leveled it with performance. Now if you draft Sanchez, you will face with the same problem(if he will sit in the bench, which he would if wee see David’s durability), which was one of the reason the chemistry was bad.

Now, David. I trust him. He will never a Brady, a Brees, a “big Ben”, but with a good cast he can lead this team anywhere, including to the Superbowl. He need to be a little better then he was in ’08. He must improve himself more. But i still trust him as this teams starting QB and leader.

Rebuilding the lines are critical, I agree. Both line need yound blood and talent. But remeber last year? What was the need? Defensive end! (Ok, we are wiser after the thing is done, but really that was the need last year?) And we drafted 2 in the first 2 round. Problem solved? No. Draft lineman, but draft them because they are BAP, and good charachter guys, not because of need! Don’t go to the same trap twice in 2 years!

Holt. I think now it is more and more an issue. If he chose the Titans that will be a middle size blow to the front office in a lot of people’s eyes, specially in an offseason where they saw more players leaving(and i know some of them were busts, but some of them were like Fred, Mike P, Spicer, players who played for a long time mostly good) instead of coming. So I hope Gene will do all his best to pick him. Vic Ketchman is not a big fan of free agency. Even he wrote, that he would be OK with Holt. That means a lot, if someone who like draft way more better then FA says like that. Mike Walker said he would learn very much of him. I think all the receivers would, even a long playing veteran like Northcutt. So this issue is more and more “need to do” in my eyes. Of course I know how big mistakes we did last year, but if he would sign for 10 million for 2 years, then go and get him.

by Zoltan from Budapest on Mar 28, 2009 12:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Zoltan,

I agree with you about wanting your 1st round draft pick to start if possible…….BUT…..you have to look at how many QB’s started the year they were drafted. Here is a list of QB’s who were drafted and sat on the bench most of their rookie year:

Tom Brady, Jay Cutler, Phillip Rivers, Eli Manning, Donavan Mcnabb, Drew Brees, Matt Hasselbeck, Brady Quinn, Jamarcus Russel, Carson Palmer, Tony Romo.

If your QB has to sit a year he has to sit a year its ok because it happens all the time…its nothing new so dont let a good player get away because he has to learn to play in the NFL.

I like what you said about the defensive ends from last year. We drafted need and it didn’t go so well. So why not learn from last year. If that means David is traded in 2years i would not be shocked. Gene wants to make the teams better not just certain positions. If Fred can get the “ax” anyone can.

by floridaboiterk on Mar 28, 2009 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Look at Aaron Rodgers

he sat for like 3-4 years. When it was his time he was ready to go.

by JagSoldier on Mar 28, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Woooh finally another person who would like if Jags pick Sanchez!

Sanchez to me should be the pick if available. I’m not a Garrard hater nor am I a Sanchez homer but Garrard is not the superstar that we need in the huddle. If you watch Sanchez in USC tape he has a fluidity about him and excellent pocket awareness, the only main knock on him I’ve been hearing is the amount of experience he has. The rebuttal to that though is that he did spend a lot of time learning in a pro style offense.

We do still have an O-line problem there is no denying it, but there are some really good guys in the second round as well. Andre Smith to me is not a Gene Smith kind of guy. How about a William Beatty from Connecticut if he falls into the early second or Jamon Meredith from South Carolina?

I’m just trying to say we have options and we shouldn’t be gun shy to take a QB just because we have David Garrard. Give Sanchez time to learn and get familiar with the offense and then when the time, comes pass the torch.

by Guardian on Mar 28, 2009 12:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Youre not alone

I agree completely with everything you just wrote.

by JagSoldier on Mar 28, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why I'm against Sanchez

Except for the Rose Bowl, I never saw anything from Sanchez that made me say “Wow.” In fact, Sanchez at the very least cost the Trojans a shot at the national title game considering his poor play vs Oregon St. It took almost the whole year to get USC’s offense in gear against a conference infamous for poor defensive play.

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by Jonathan Loesche on Mar 28, 2009 12:42 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree somewhat...

He may have struggled EARLY in the year against a not great Oregon State defense, but put on the tape WHEN IT MATTERS MOST. Against a “great” Ohio State team, he blew them apart with 4 TD’s. and in the most important game of his year with scouts galore, he rips through another great Penn. St. team just putting up rediculous numbers looking like Brady against us in the ‘07 playoffs. I have no problem with taking this kid. He’s mobile, too.

by harveyismyboy on Mar 28, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Both games you cited were against the Big 10

I know you’re from Ohio so this may get me yelled at, but that conference is terrible. How many BCS games do those teams have to lose before they stop getting into the championship? Penn State looked like they were a scary team this year, but they showed up against a big team just like Michigan and Ohio State have done in the few years prior. Regardless, this isn’t an argument about college football, I’m just making the point that those “clutch” games by Sanchez were against some of his overrated, overhyped teams of the USC schedule.

by Adam Stites on Mar 28, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

uh Socal

I hate, with a passion, everything in Ohio. Its a shit state. And I don’t really qualify as Ohio Material. My family is from the Agoura Hills area but we moved here because of my dad’s job when I was like 6. My brother goes to Pepperdine. Just FYI. I still like Sanchez. GO BRUINS tho.

by harveyismyboy on Mar 28, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

great read everyone

I enjoyed everyones comments. Ive said before i dont have too many people to talk football with and no one to talk jaguars football with so this site is a blessing. Sanchez, i believe will be a good quarterback, but im going to stop guessing who we draft, its a headache. Basically i like all the players in the top 10, but there is no greatness there that you usually see. I hope we trade down and get mauluga, just me though.
I also would rather have three 2nd rounders than one, too pricey first.

surreal to be teal

by Surteal on Mar 28, 2009 7:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Three second rounds for a one?

I would love that as well. We would have to be as smart as the Patriots to do that. Probably next year.

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by Tkopa on Mar 28, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Very nice post Tkopa.

Groves – if he can add physicality to his motor, he just may become something (are you taking notes D. Harvey?).

Love the “build the lines” appraoch – it’s not sexy, but it’s definately the way to go and the biggest need of this team. I’m so so on Sanchez, to be frank, I wasn’t “blown away” impressed with him in college. I agree we need to begin to develop the future QB and now would be a nice time.

Holt – I went nuts last year when the Jags announced the Porter signing. Unlike the Porter disazster, Holt has acutal accomplishments as a 31 WR. He’s a high character guy with great work ethic — an IDEAL mentor for a retooled WR corp. I applaud a Holt signing.

Again – great post Tkopa

by OGN on Mar 28, 2009 12:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Garrard and Sanchez each had one great year....

But the difference, besides age of course, is that we already have Garrard under contract, he’s used to our offense and has proven himself in the NFL, Sure he had a down year in 2008, but if you remember how good he was in 2007 then I say that we owe it to the entire team to stick with our guy and focus on getting back into the playoffs instead of a QB controversy. We still have a very good team that had an off year but with a solid draft and a few of our young guys living up to their potential we could be right back in the hunt.

by Jags-Fan-In-Chicago on Mar 28, 2009 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Great post Tkopa

I’m also with John on Sanchez. I never have seen anything amazing out of him, and neither Ohio State nor Penn State were great teams, no matter what the ESPN hype machine may have said. He pretty directly cost them the Oregon State game, which cost them a shot at the national title, and THAT is when it mattered most. Not some meaningless bowl game with a month to prepare for against a weak opponent.

The Jaguars do need to draft and develop a quarterback soon, but it hope it isn’t Sanchez, and there’s nothing that says they can wait till next year’s draft.

Have to build the lines. Have to sign Holt.

by MoveThoseChains on Mar 28, 2009 12:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Look at it this way,

look at some of the last QB’s that came out of USC. Palmer, Lienhart, Cassell. I would hate to miss on a good QB.

by JagSoldier on Mar 28, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Palmer, Yes

Cassel, maybe. Leinart, maybe. Palmer and Leinart won Heismans and Cassel never got a chance to play behind those two. Sanchez does not have the same accolades as those guys and should be evaluated as a completely separate entity.

by Adam Stites on Mar 28, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Palmer only played four games last year and threw 20 INTs the year before

Leinart couldn’t beat out a guy everyone thought was washed up a couple years ago. Cassell is the ultimate one year wonder and benefited greatly from being in such a stable Patriots organization. And as SoCal pointed out, both Leinart and Palmer won Heismans and had loads of collegiate success. Sanchez has exactly one game of success, and you are in a tiny minority if you think that win came against a quality opponent. I don’t trust Sanchez. You can find quarterbacks in later rounds.

One thing you usually can’t find in later rounds is a starting LT, as Vic pointed out in a recent column. A vast majority of LTs in the NFL were high draft picks. If you have a chance to pick a 10+ year starter with the #8 pick, that will be a LT, not an overhyped QB.

by MoveThoseChains on Mar 28, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dont get me wrong

I wouldnt be too upset if we took a QB with the 8 but I have posted earlier that in my opinion this is not the year to worry about getting a QB unless he is BAP on your board at the time. I want to see the lines fixed more than anything.

by JagSoldier on Mar 30, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

BAP

I just want us to take someone who is worthy of an 8th pick selection. I’m not sure Sanchez is worthy anyway. Line is an issue. I agree with you. I’d rather take either an OT or Malcolm Jenkins if he’s there.

by Blair72 on Mar 30, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Sanchez Bullshit (sorry) is an example of wanting to settle for less

16 games…?

In any other draft he probably wouldn’t even be in the top 20.

by Slvrgun on Mar 28, 2009 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Say he were to have gone back next year...

He’d be a top 5, if not #1 in next year’s draft.

by harveyismyboy on Mar 28, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

He could just as easily have crashed and burned

And been in the later rounds or undrafted. There’s no way to say because it didn’t happen.

by MoveThoseChains on Mar 28, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like freeman on the bench

surreal to be teal

by Surteal on Mar 28, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

All I want for Christmas is… the Jaguars making it deep into the playoffs no matter who they end up signing… I do agree with the point that if we’re going to pay some guy a bunch’a millions of bucks, he better make an immediate impact… I don’t like the idea of signing someone to a big #8 spot type contract to sit on the sidelines drinking all the Gatorade…

Sean Jax Beach Bum

by cuffs007 on Mar 28, 2009 10:52 PM EDT reply actions  

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