Wells vs Moreno Debate
Chris Wells, HB Ohio State and Knowshon Moreno, HB Georgia are the consensus top two Halfbacks in the 2009 NFL Draft. Lets examine and discuss.
Wells: Deadly spin move that actually did remind me of Fred Taylor. When he runs he is no doubt a downhill runner. Not nearly as agile as fred but i can see resemblances from time to time. Has great speed within 10 yards and uses it every time he has the ball. Good but not great stiff arm. Good because of upper-body strength, not great because he is not a vicious runner. Most likely a mentality deal. If he was to throw his hand and/or body at the defender. It would hurt and remind people of LT’s stiff arm. As Slvrgun said, he lacks top end speed. This is very noticeable in all of his highlights. After 40 yards he starts to slow and he seems to top out at about 50 yards. Bare with me on those, its hard to know for sure with direction changes and not knowing how tired he was in situations. In the open space, Wells will flatten you. The only problem is he shys away to go out of bounds when he understands only a yard or so will be gaine by slamming into someone(this is normally after the first down, but i did not see instances where he was short and ran out. they may be there). Wells needs to work on a fight mentality. He needs to want it. He can be much better than moreno.(bare with me). Wells can hit the line at the goal-line and win.
Moreno: Very agile. Not as fast or as quick as i remembered or heard. He has speed, dont get me wrong. His speed is just not noticeable, it simply works. Now if you take that to a higher level, how great is it? He is a very intelligent runner. He has great field vision. When he is running, he is simultaneously setting the defenders up to allow him to keep going. He is also searching for more yards. A slower Jeremy Maclin in the open field. I say that because they are both searchers and pace themselves to get more yards. Moreno can move around well within a pile. Once he gets out, he will get caught unless he outsmarts the defenders. He is normally able to do that. Moreno wont move the line though.
My current verdict: Wells can be the better of the two. He is physically more capable. The only thing that pushes Moreno on the same level is the agility factor. Moreno is smooth in his cuts. Wells looks stiff and too straight-up. Its almost like Wells is still figuring out what to do. Which makes me like him even more, this leads me to believe Wells has a higher ceiling. Look up highlights of both players and watch their spin moves, watch their 5 to 10 yard explosion. Wells is quicker, faster, and harder to tackle. Moreno is harder to find. Wells does lack top end spend, but how many times do you need to keep speeding up after 50 yards? Even MJD doesnt need that. Chris Johnson, fast as he is. How many 55 yard runs did he have? Wells is the better of the two. He is not Fred Taylor, but Wells can get much better than he is with the proper coaching. I still dont know about top 10. I guess it depends who is taken. If both quarterbacks are gone, and Maclin. I would be fine with wells.
these are my thoughts, and are nothing more than what i honestly see. Im just a fan and this is my first off-season getting into prospects, i just call it like i see. Lets discuss
For better or worse,
Surteal
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thank you
i take what you say into consideration. you never say anything without reason
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by Surteal on Apr 11, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anyone could do anything without reason. It's paradoxical.
by Slvrgun on Apr 11, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
original reason then
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by Surteal on Apr 11, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, let me try to understand what you're saying
A running back without top-end speed that isn’t agile either and has poor field vision and will shy away from contact and run out of bounds instead of lowering his shoulder and has a history of injuries…the Jaguars can’t find someone like that in round 7? Like Chauncey Washington? That kind of not-exactly-special player is worth taking with the #8 pick of the draft?
by MoveThoseChains on Apr 11, 2009 10:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
who is agile at 235 pounds?
i did not say that he is not agile. I said, “Not nearly as agile as fred but i can see resemblances from time to time.”. This in no way says that he is not agile. He did shy away from contact. Make him want it. But i dont know he could have been playing injured, which he did in some instances. I do not know the story from a highlight. No you will not find a Chris Wells in the 7th round. You will not find a Knowshon Moreno in the 7th round.
Like i said this is just what i saw and i wanted a friendly discussion on this. You could argue the injury history on Fred Taylor. “Fragile Fred” shouldnt be taken by any team right now because he has a history of injuries. He hits people too hard and this could lead to more injuries so we should not look at him, BUT what you miss is the immense amount of talent. Kennedy Pola can make backs better. I dont know how thats debatable, but if you gave him Chris Wells, we would go crazy. Wells hits the hole well, in my opinion, which is still primarily based off of his highlights, but i know what i see.
I cant find where i said we should take him at the 8th. I dont think there is any real value at the 8th pick. Thats why you hear everyone talking of trading down. The draft picks need value. If the qb’s and maclin are gone, then i would take wells into consideration. I would have to know everyone left before i felt sure in saying that wells had value at 8. There is never a consensus value, only value compared to who is left on the board. Wells strengthens a strength. Can Greg Jones last the whole season while carrying the rock? I hope so, but i dont know so? Can MJD? same situation. Now that ive proven a point on a HB, that still doesnt mean we need one at 8. But, as i said, it depends on who is gone.
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by Surteal on Apr 11, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
edit</> Where you</> said i said we should take him at 8. sorry
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by Surteal on Apr 11, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats horrible, my bad again
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by Surteal on Apr 11, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF Crabtree hadn't been injured and ran a 4.4, then he'd be a lock at top 10.
I think his injury may cause him to slip. The problem is if the guys injury holds him back his first year. Who would want a guy who can’t go all the way at training camp.
-Collin
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by silencecs on Apr 12, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
both vs lsu
Knowshon Moreno 2008
21 car, 163 yds, 7.8 avg. Lng 68 yds, 1td. 2 rec, 9 yards
Chris Wells, 2007 National Championship
20 car, 146 yds, 7.3 avg. Lng 65 yds, 1td. 0 rec, 0 yards
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by Surteal on Apr 11, 2009 10:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
DiD I WENZ D INTERNETZ?
Moreno (Slvrgun) 21
Surteal (Wells) 11
:-)
by Slvrgun on Apr 12, 2009 11:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
time decides the winner
you won the poll, i have no problem admitting it. I wish more people would have participated or even posted reason to their side, whichever side it is.
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by Surteal on Apr 13, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Moreno's quickness and feet. I've hear better things about his shiftiness.
That being said, Vic is dropping hints that Wells is higher for the Jags. He’s obviously privy to this notion. He’s said all along that he thinks the Jags may take a RB in the top 10, and then he rated Moreno higher on his board, but said the Jags liked Wells.
I personally would rather not have a top 10 RB period, but that’s just the needs based drafter in me coming out. BAP is the new regime’s mentality. Gone are the days of targeting a player and moving forward or backwards accordingly.
Now we work with what we have and try to accumulate picks. Gene perceives value to be in the size of the draft class and the number of base hits. Shack’s goal was to find the best player for the team, at the position of most need, and find a way to make it happen.
-Collin
The End Is Nigh... www.infowars.com
by silencecs on Apr 13, 2009 3:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At This Point
I think I would take Wells over Moreno. But in the top ten, I would rather not draft a running back. RBs really should never be drafted in the top 10 unless you are convinced the guy is really special.
Thats Good For Another Jacksonville... First Down.
by Bestjagfan on Apr 13, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andre Smith vs. Chris Wells
If Andre Smith is sitting there at 8, and we draft Wells instead…with the EIGHTH overall pick…I’m going to send a 29 page complaint to Gene Smith detailing how much of an idiot he is and how I lost total faith in him.
As of now, I’m putting my faith in the guy. But Wells DOES NOT deserve an 8th overall selection. And neither does Moreno, for that matter. If we trade down, we need to get Josh Freeman. If we stay put, a big guy or Matt Stafford. No one else. As much as I like Harvin, I don’t want our 1st pick to go to an oft injured slash player.
As far as who I just want us to draft, I wouldn’t mind Smith or Oher. Peria Jerry would be a great pick-up in my opinion. Regardless of who I want, if he really does go BAP, there’s no way in hell Wells should be the highest rated available player. I’m starting to think Stafford might fall. If he does, I’ll put money on us taking him.
by Blair72 on Apr 13, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stafford and Sanchez
I just have a gut feeling(I’m not just taking Vic’s side) that neither will be there at 8. Andre Smith is the best option. If The Jags trade back with Denver, Smith will most likely be gone, but Oher won’t. Or Wells could be an option even later. But I agree, no running back should ever go in the top ten, unless the team is convinced the guy has a chance to be very special.
Thats Good For Another Jacksonville... First Down.
by Bestjagfan on Apr 13, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they will be either
But I think the Rams might go LT, and then it depends on if Seattle passes on a QB. If they do, one will be available. Would you trade back for more picks if you could, even when Stafford is sittng there? Pass on another possible future superstar? Stafford has potential. I really think he’s just a little raw still, and he can be coached into a great QB. He most likely will not be there, and neither will Sanchez. I agree. I hope they aren’t cuz then there’s not the controversy of who we passed on. I just want more picks. And we can still get a solid player later on and pay less money. Trade back to 12 with Denver, then try to trade again. More picks, more chances you’re gonna hit on a solid player. I’d say trade the #1 completely for an extra one next season and extra 2 this season. I don’t know if that equates value wise, but I’d do it with the depth thats in the draft this year.
by Blair72 on Apr 13, 2009 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep
More picks is all I care about. If The Jags trade back twice and get the 17th pick, they could be in position to take Peria Jerry, DHB, or Hakeem Nicks. Hell, maybe even Josh Freeman.
Thats Good For Another Jacksonville... First Down.
by Bestjagfan on Apr 13, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or we trade our8 and big john and our 3
for denvers two ones
then trade both of those….hahaha
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by Surteal on Apr 13, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds Good
Thats Good For Another Jacksonville... First Down.
by Bestjagfan on Apr 13, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd give another chance
to Big John. Otherwise I have slowly a wish list to who will be takewn before we pick slowly…
by Zoltan from Budapest on Apr 13, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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