Revelations! John’s final words on the draft
Draft day is coming and, I feel like we have covered all the possibilities here at BCC, but, something was still lacking. I still don't have a clear picture on what is going to happen. I had to know, so I texted my friend John, "Who is Gene going to select?" I wrote. "Relax, it will all make sense soon," was the reply. "Come on John, help me out here" I quickly typed. The cell rang, "What is your problem?" John said. "I don't get it John, there is all this conflicting information, help me make sense of it" I pleaded. "So, why is this year any different than any other draft, it is always like this, sit tight" he said. He is right; it is always a jumbled mess at this time, that's why Mel Kiper has a job, no matter how silly he gets. "But, you always know, humor me" I said. "OK, let's go through it together and see what we see. What is the difference in this draft between the offense and defensive selections?" he asked. The question stumped me; I didn't realize there was a difference. "I give up" I answered. "The college defensive players are stacked with seniors, the offense guys are mostly juniors" he said calmly. I hadn't noticed. "Let's break down the draft as if we are a General Manager" he continued.
"The linebackers represent the greatest value in the draft, there are eight good linebackers in this draft, Curry, Maualuga, Cushing, Matthews, Laurinaitis, Barwin, English and Sintim, all seniors and all top two round selection value" he pointed out. "Some of these guys are going to go at tremendous bargain rates and two or three can be pro-bowl caliber players" he continued. "Any team in the lower half of the first or upper half of round two will score" he said. That makes sense to me, a good linebacker is a great asset, and one at a decent price is a plus.
"Now, look at the receivers" he said, "Crabtree, Maclin, Heyward-Bey, Robiskie, Harvin, Britt, and Nicks, all are mostly juniors with only Robiskie a senior". Does that matter, I thought to myself. John read my mind. "Receivers are risky anyway, juniors even more so" he went on. "Give me any of those linebackers over these receivers any time" he said as if it was obvious to everyone except me. "Any team picking a receiver in round one isn't value picking, they are reaching" he said with assurance. "But John, juniors can play football, right?" I asked. "Yes, if they have their heads on right, but look who is screwing up right now, Andre Smith is out of shape, Hakeem Nicks gained 15 pounds, Percy Harvin failed a drug test, Vonte Davis even has issues. All four are juniors, they're not taking good advice, that extra year of maturity matters" he replied.
"Now, the defensive line guys look strong as well" he said without taking a breath. "Defensive ends are always a risky investment, but Orakpo, Tyson Jackson, Robert Ayers, Michael Johnson, and Jarron Gilbert can all go in rounds one or two. Add in Raji, Peria, and Hood and there are eight good defensive seniors that will bring value somewhere" he said. "Watch for teams selecting these guys as smart teams" he stated. "Everette Brown and Aaron Maybin are juniors and will need more time, and I am not sure why teams would select them over the others unless they want to wait for the development". I thought about last year's crop of first round defensive guys, and no one panned out. Again, he read my thought. "Much more risk in the defensive line" he said, "but you have to keep picking because it is the line that dictates the game most often" he said.
OK, so the linebackers look strong, the D-line has some possible value; the receivers are risky, "What else?" I mumbled.
"The Quarterbacks and Running backs are all juniors as well" he stated. "Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman, Wells, Moreno, Brown and McCoy are all coming out early" he said. "But, you like Sanchez, you told me he was a transcendental player" I said. "I also said in two years he would be good, he needs a team with a line and support, it won't be automatic" he replied. "If you have time to develop a player, a junior is a good option but rarely a savior" he continued.
So, all of the offensive playmakers are risky juniors and the defense looks like seasoned college players with bargain written all over them. "John, what about the offensive line?" I quizzed.
"A good bunch of tackles, and a great group of centers" he said. "Jason Smith, Monroe, Oher, Beatty, and Meredith are good selections, Unger, Mack and Wood are great center choices" he said. "Any team that gets a center is making a good choice" he continued. "Andre Smith and Eben Britton are juniors and may need more time, but there are no guards that look like value selections" he said. "John, shouldn't we go left tackle at number eight?" I asked. "I don't think so", he replied, "I would trade down and grab a linebacker."
As usual I don't get it, a left tackle is a huge asset and ignoring that position makes no sense, so I ask. John explained, "I am beginning to think that the entire line needs to be balanced, a good left tackle but a weak center or guard doesn't help as much as strength across the board. It might mean having an ok but not great left tackle". "Look at St. Louis, they had Orland Pace at left tackle but still allowed a ton of sacks" he said. "In 2005 Tra Thomas allowed one sack, yet the line as a whole allowed 41 sacks. Khalif Barnes didn't allow all the sacks on David last year, the line needs strength across the board." He continued, "Paying number eight money without the rest of the line being strong is a waste, 3-4 defenses are set up to find the weakness and attack it" he said. I still didn't understand and might not agree but I let it go. I'll ask another time.
"The cornerbacks are ok, I still think Alphonso Smith has something to prove and the safeties are so-so" he said. "So, there you have it" he summed up. "There I have what, you didn't tell me anything" I complained.
"I told you everything" he said, "let's go over it again". "The best draft scenario is to trade down, grab a linebacker, a center, a cheaper left tackle or preferably a decent third round defensive lineman. That is what this draft is offering in true value". "Maybe, just maybe if you get more choices and Brian Robiskie or Alphonso Smith are sitting there, you take a calculated risk". He went on to say "I am guessing Gene would take three second round choices over that one number eight spot, but it is not up to him". With that he said goodbye and hung up.
As per usual, my thinking has been blown apart. Is it true you don't need a great left tackle as much as a good overall line? Is it true the draft has more value in the non-playmakers? Should we ignore a potential game breaking receiver just because he is a junior, deeming him too risky? Is this what Gene is setting up with Tra Thomas and Torry Holt? Is this how Gene sees the draft? If John has his way it sounds like he would trade the number eight for more selections later and take (2) James Laurinaitis or Larry English or Conner Barwin, (2) Brian Robiskie or Alphonso Smith or William Beatty, (2) Alex Mack or Eric Wood and (3) Ron Brace or Fili Moala, or some other weird combination. I am still confused, and will have to wait until Saturday to find out.
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I'm always excited when I come to the site and "Revelations!" greets me
Excellent stuff as usual, very thought provoking. I completely agree with everything said by John, and I’d love if the draft scenario played out the way he described it. I hadn’t realized the parity between offensive and defensive juniors. Very interesting.
Awesome article
Even though linebacker might be the least pressing need on the team, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the Jaguars pick one with one of their first picks. My question is would Gene still trade back if Curry was sitting there at #8… I don’t think he would.
by TheHammerOfSpicer on Apr 19, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions
Nice Read Bro
The “Revelations” articles are getting more and more entertaining with each one. This one really made me think; and John(?) made some very good points, and they all can be proven true with facts as well.
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WOW!
Good to see that “Mysterious John” is back and share his wisdom once again with you.
Now a quick reaction: if a linebacker is BAP, then he can come, the LBs looks like a very talented group this year, but…I see small chance to draft one with the first pick (no matter on which spot) by the Jaguars. I afree with the WRs are risky thing, but i guess, the jaguars must adress that position within the first 3 rounds. If hey want a (let’s hope next to Torry Holt another) threat they must have find 1 before the 3rd round ends I agre with the trading downas many times you can thing. Looks like the depth and REAL talent for a good price starts around the middle phase of round 1. Otherwise you must overpay most likely someone, who not sure to deserve a huge salary. I hope the Jags can pick at least 4 times within the forst 3 rounds, maybe even more, then they have a very good chance to hav a good draft. The moment of truth is coming. Now it is the time to Gene Smith to show us and everyone, why he gets his job, why he is as GM is maye one of the best weapon, tha Jags have right now. It will be an interesting draft. Right now it is unpredictable. I think one thing is sure in my mind: this draft will be a crazy, crazy ride for all 32 teams. And I really hope that the Jags will come out of that draft as best they can in the end.
Once again, thank you Terry for your another great, great, great piece. I hope your mysterious John will show up around or just after the draft, to share with you (and later via you, with us) his views about it!
by Zoltan from Budapest on Apr 19, 2009 9:29 PM EDT reply actions
I Agree
The real value is in the middle to late first. There is little difference in having the 8th overall pick and the 18th overall pick. Thats why I think it would be great to trade back, or if we are forced to pick at eight I think we have to take Andre Smith. If we go back to, say, 12, that would be great. This is debatable; I think this is when you can start looking into grabbing Darrius Heyward-Bey. Or you could go the safe route and take Michael Oher here.
A linebacker may be a safe pick for the first round in this draft. But the Jags really don’t need one. Daryl Smith is on the brink of a Pro-Bowl season. Clint Ingram is great on the strongside, and Justin Durant looked unstoppable at times last season on the weekside(2nd Tennessee game). Brian Iwuh is a great backup who saw some time last season on both outside positions, a developmental middle linebacker can be taken in the later rounds, or maybe Thomas Williams can prove himself into being that backup linebacker.
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I agree exept
“Jaguars not need a LB” thing. I’m not a fan, that this team pick a LB (exept it is Aaron Curry) in the 1st round, because how good LBs we have, but if a LB is the BAP, pick him. Remember last year, and what we tought what is the need then, and what was it really…
by Zoltan from Budapest on Apr 19, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Good Point
About last year. The Jags can’t allow themselves to fall into that same trap. But I don’t think the Jaguars ought to take a linebacker in the first or second round. If he is absolutely, without a doubt the BAP, take him. But other than that, we have more pressing needs to fill.
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Agree with you.
BAP is all well and good, but target it to arera of need as best you can. Both lines are in serious need of upgrades with O-line topping the list,
I think Curry might be there.
I have a strong feeling this opportunity will present itself. It depends on the run on QB’s and LT’s and RB’s.
As far as linebackers and no perceived need, it seems to me everytime we think that, two years later we wonder what happened to the position. Suddenly we need D-Line help? Suddenly we need O-Line help? Suddenly we need secondary guys? What happened? Last year at this time we were thought to be so strong that we didn’t even need to draft below the second round, no rookie could make the team.
I would rather collect really good players and let whatever falls out, fall out. Just bring good guys to Jacksonville.
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if curry is there absolutely.
He’s the best, in terms of for sure quality NFL player, in this draft. I have no problem taking him, but I absolutely don’t see a shot in hell he falls to us. He wont get past the Bengals, who have horrid LB’s.
by harveyismyboy on Apr 20, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
You're 100% right
The class is very flat at the top and it looks very even in the first round. You can see that on this site as everyday we argue about how to rank the 4 WRs, how to rank the 4 OTs and how to rank the USC LBs. There’s such a thin divide between these that I wouldn’t be upset with the last one picked in any of these groups. There is really no position on the Jaguars that absolutely shouldn’t be considered in the draft, so I’m completely down for a linebacker if it happens to be the BAP.
by Adam Stites on Apr 19, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Out of the top WR's, the top OT's, etc.
I know you said how to “rank the USC LBs.” But if there is one thing I think everyone DOES agree on, it’s that it’s undebatable that Aaron Curry is the best LB in the draft. That’s the one position I can actually say that for. I’m sure someone disagrees but the vast majority see eye to eye.
I'm assuming he'll be gone before 8
I see him as a nonissue for Jacksonville. I’d absolutely love to see him in teal, but I just really doubt it happens.
by Adam Stites on Apr 20, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I totally agree
But, I was just adding for conversational purposes that all of the other positions have such a huge debate as to who the top positional prospect is. Aaron Curry is the only player I know who owns his position in this draft.
crabtree based off performance did, before the surgery
DHB did based on workouts
Orakpo on workouts
on film everyone said A. Smith was the all-out best LT this year
Maclin is the best return specialist
but after off-season, yeah Curry is the only one that owns. Man, im up late again. Collin can you give me some pills? kidding.
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Haha
Have you got a name for his friend, John?
by Zoltan from Budapest on Apr 20, 2009 4:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Here-Here!
What an enjoyable and thought-provoking article.
Revelations is one of my favorite recurring pieces on the site.
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Mysterious John
always give us reason(s) to talk.
by Zoltan from Budapest on Apr 20, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Terry,
If you and John have the time, I would love to hear what both of you answer to these two questions.
1) Why do you watch football?
2) What player impacted you the way that i described with my Fred Taylor article?
The reason I ask is that you speak how i want to. You dont talk much. When you do, like collin said a few weeks ago, its like a monk speaking. People listen and learn. My youth defeats in my battle with silence, oh well.
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Actully
that monk quote was about me (my name to be exact). But I agree with you Brandon, Terry act like that many times, not speak so much bet when he does, xou should listen.
by Zoltan from Budapest on Apr 20, 2009 4:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Surteal
You run a very nice web site. You have no problem with communication.
There are two questions I ask myself before writing:
1) Has this been said before and I am just being a mocking bird?
2) Am I just creating noise or do I actually have something to say?
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hit the return by accident
anyway, most of the time the answer is yes, so I leave it alone. If you read the comments, a lot of them repeat the same point over and over. I think people are forming their opinions while they write which is fine unless it is a long article.
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Sometimes
you must repeat your view because some peple didn’t get it after you told it 1-2-3 times.
But yes, we always looking for new Terry!
by Zoltan from Budapest on Apr 20, 2009 6:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, and I repeat alot of the same points for another reason as well
Not everyone reads all of the comments written, therefore, they might have missed a point. This is probably the reason why we get fanposts sometimes that remind me of the message boards.
Also, I’ve noticed that even if I repeat a point, it generates new responses which might lead to a new and interesting topic of discussion (for example: Jessica Alba). Most of us use this site to cure the pangs of boredom and to help with the withdrawal symptoms of our addiction.
Plus, I just like to talk alot.
Wisdom
John seems to be a very wise man. He is a real smooth operator. Although, I’d have to tell him not to whisper in my wife’s ear unless he wanted me to whisper in his…with a spatula. I kid. I’m sure he was just telling her what you really want for your birthday. Great read, by the way.
Great article, Tkopa
I love everyone’s opinion about what we all think (or hope) the Jags will do, but John is outside the box.
I think he’s right in that most of the LBs, WRs, RBs, etc. we debate the Jags should draft are probably rated about the same, so early in the draft they will probably go with O or D linemen that are harder to find later in the draft.
BTW Tkopa, you always ask him great questions, and I think most times you know how John is going to answer more than you let on…
Life's battles don't always go
To the stronger or faster man;
But soon or late the man who wins
Is the one who thinks he can.
He is way outside the box
and on the extremes most of the time. But that is where the fun is. Sometimes brilliant moves come from, places we don’t expect. At least I can watch the draft and see the different strategies at play. I think I will enjoy watching all the teams now and not just the Jaguars. That is what I took away.
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this off-season has really made me a fan of the players and the process
the entire event will be more exciting than it ever has been
Now, when the jags pick ill be nervously excited but overall it will be so enjoyable watching everything play out
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And look how well informed you are
with knowledge stretching deep into the third round.
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How many drafts have you watched Surteal?
I usually watch the first round…but its boring as hell. Then I’ll come in to see the Jags pick for the 2nd and 3rd rounds. But other than that, I just read about it later. One year, I watched the ENTIRE DRAFT START TO FINISH. Need I say it was the year that made the league rethink the selection times and what rounds were on what day. Longest draft in history, or something. Last time I will ever watch the whole thing. It was horrible.
It’s still fun though at the same time… If it were faster, it’d be so much better.
the first time i knew of the draft was when i listened to some audio clip called Jaguars this week
and the special guest was new first round draft pick Matt Jones.
I heard first so i thought it meant he was special, then i found out he was “that guy” on arkansas team.
Last year i watched the whole thing, minus the beginning of the third, i was asleep.
This year, ill probably watch the whole thing. And, yes, i am happy to know of people far outside the first. It’s one thing to know who Matt Stafford is, it’s another thing to know that Johnny Knox ran a 4.29 and after watching him, I see the next wes welker.
I do wonder, however, who will be the big guy to come out of UDFA. This years Davon Bess. I know we wouldve loved to have had him last year, but as Vic pointed out, We had money stocked up at WR, and you dont pay millions to someone to ride the bench and let an UDFA start. It’s just the way it is. You can want the better guys to start, but its a business and Bess probably wouldn’t have started.
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I lived in Hawaii for four years
When UH went 12-0 or whatever and won the WAC, the whole island was in turmoil. Colt Brennan was giving autographs at like 100 a pop or something like that, and he was still getting overrun by fans. He was like a celebrity. I went to a few of their games that year.
I honestly wanted us to take Colt Brennan, especially and specifically because he dropped to what, like the 6th round? He was a 2nd or 3rd I think the year before, but he decided to come back for his senior year and graduate.
Did you see Colt Brennan’s preseason last year? A couple of his games were ridiculous. I think the knock on him was his arm strenght, but the guy is deadly accurate. I think he’d make a great and cheap backup for the Jags. Anyway….
Davon Bess is great receiver. I knew he would be good, and I didn’t agree that he went undrafted. I think he was overlooked due to June Jones’s system he ran in Hawaii.
However, we need to get our hands on some guys. There will be some late picks/undrafted guys this year that make an impact. Will there be a James Harrison or a Marques Colston? Idk, but we better identify who they are and get ’em before the Steelers or Saints do. I guess the Colts had their guy at DT come in and show some skill last season before he got busted with weed. We need to find some of those guys.
UDFA From Auburn?
It would be great if the Jaguars could pick up Johny Knox. I see the guy becoming another Devery Henderson, a situational deep threat who could average over 20 yards a reception. That would sure open up the offense, wouldn’t it?
UDFAs are numerous, but they are hard to find as well. I’ll tell you two Auburn players who could be “diamons in the rough” so to speak. Brad Lester is a running back coming out next season. He is kind of built like a scat back, and the guy has pretty good speed. He is an accomplished pass catcher and can block ok as well. He might go in the seventh round or maybe not get drafted. But he offers some great potential to be able to make our roster as a third down back.
Rod Smith is a receiver coming out this season, and he will most likely go undrafted. He doesn’t have great speed, but it is adequate. He has pretty good hands, a nice route runner as well. He knows all about having odds stacked against him to make a team. He wasn’t offered a scholarship to Auburn; instead he walked on, made the team and earned a scholarship by like his second year.
These guys could offer potential to be playmakers, or maybe just contribute to help the Jags get turned around next season.
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Keith Fitzhgugh, SS Miss State UDFA
great analysis guys, this shouldve been a post
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Good stuff guys
The most fun part about all of this is the draft usually turns out totally different than anyone ever expected, but I think this site has covered almost every possibility. Notice that I used the word ‘almost’…
Life's battles don't always go
To the stronger or faster man;
But soon or late the man who wins
Is the one who thinks he can.
If teams trade like they did in the draft last year, there's no way possible anyone could guess who's picking who...
I think
this draft will be a crazy trading up/down rollercoster from start to finish.
I agree with Blair, possibly you can name the first 2 pic, but then, if someone can prediict which wil pick where and who is the guy, then he is the new Nostradamus!
by Zoltan from Budapest on Apr 20, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't this year will be quite as trade happy
Last year there was definite tiers of talent and the top 10 offered high quality talent that was worthy of the top 10. Teams were Ok with moving up to get guys that looked to be significantly stronger than the talent that they would’ve got if they stayed in their spot. This year is different and it looks much more desirable to accumulate a lot of picks to tap into the depth of the draft. I think that means there will be fewer trades this year.
As others have said
BAP is all well and good, but there has to be a line in the sand. If there was one position I wouldn’t want the Jags to draft, especially in the Top 10, it is linebacker. It Aaron Curry is there and the front office doesn’t feel strong with the other guys on the board, so bet it. However, you need to always stay relative. This isn’t college where you can simply shove as many 5 star recruits in as you can. You have to pick and choose your spot.
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by Jonathan Loesche on Apr 20, 2009 7:47 PM EDT reply actions
I Agree With Everything You Just Said
I don’t get this mancrush everyone has on Curry. The guy is good, but we don’t need a first round linebacker. Like you said, there has to be a limit somewhere.
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The counterargument
The Steelers didn’t neeeeeed Emmit Smith. The Jags didn’t neeeeeeeed Roethlisberger. No one doesn’t need a talent like Curry. If you can make a guy like Ingram the 4th best linebacker on your team, you should take it.
by MoveThoseChains on Apr 20, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
and then you take your best linebacker not named Curry, and then you feature him for one year. Then you trade him away for more picks. Then you pick up more guys for the ONE guy you got rid of. You keep hitting, you keep winning. Simple strategy, and it works. So, why haven’t we been doing it?
Both Of Those Players
Were on the offensive side of the ball. Defensive players are not usually irreplaceable superstars. If an Adrian Peterson type back is there, take him all day long. Peterson broke the single game rushing record as a rookie. Name an insane defensive player that was irreplaceable.
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Valid point.
I can think of some superstars on the defensive side, but they’ve all been replaced. Quarterbacks are the hardest to replace, thus, it’s the reason why with all of the draft picks I still think Denver lost on the trade (by a very small margin due to the significant compensation, however).
I gotta think a guy like Deion Sanders was irreplaceable though.
How Many Teams Did He Play On?
All of those teams found ways to replace him, because they weren’t begging him to come back.
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It's one thing to replace, and it's another to replace with no significant decrease in the play at that position
Adrian Peterson could technically be replaced by Chester Taylor. They’d still get production. Hasn’t LT been replaced? Sure, he’s lost a step. Guys playing well in their prime and at superstar status are hard to replace, regardless. Any player can be replaced, but whats the dropoff in production going to look like? That’s the question.
They Can Be Hard To Replace
But L.T. never won anything in his prime did he. But notice the last two years, when his time has been split between Michael Turner two seasons ago, and last season by Darren Sproles; the Chargers have gone farther haven’t they… L.T. kept the Chargers from winning a super bowl, it doesn’t make sense, I know, but the Chargers are Super Bowl contenders now that there is talk L.T. is on the way out.
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No, dude
The Chargers went 14-2 the year LT broke the single season TD record. They would have gone to the SB, but Schottenheimer effed it up for them….
Exactly
They never won anything… I don’t care about regular season records, playoffs is what matters.
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But that was not because of LT
and believe it or not. I don’t think the Chargers are that good. I’m not sold on Philip Rivers.
Haha
Philip Rivers’ throwing motion looks like he is throwing a shot put ball.
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I know, right?
Looks very unnatural. I don’t like the guy. They should have traded him and kept Drew Brees.
seahawks wouldve won if they played alexander more
same example, quality tailbacks rule
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Terrell Suggs? Ray Lewis? Troy Polamalu?
All of those (in their prime, obviously; the Ray Lewis of today is what I’m talking about) made a pretty immediate impact, and their teams haven’t tried to replace them yet.
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