BCC Mock Draft: With the Eighth Selection
The Jacksonville Jaguars select USC Quarterback Mark Sanchez.I'm feeling a little transcendental this morning, so I decided to go with Mark Sanchez, despite my reservations about the Jaguars adding a quarterback to a team with so many other needs. Of course, the best case would be for the Jaguars to trade with another team that eyes the USC star, but that's another story.
The Jaguars need to start developing a young quarterback, there's no debate about that. Putting Sanchez behind Garrard for a few seasons is a fantastic way to prevent the meltdown of a first round quarterback, especially knowing how talented Sanchez could be.
So with all that in mind, the Jaguars take the QB and start looking toward round two as the one that addresses the offensive or defensive line.
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I think
It is a solid pick. Sanchez has got to be one of the top players left on everybodys board. He doesnt have a gun like Stafford, but he makes the accurate throws, and I think after his stellar pro day yesterday, he looks even better. I think his pro day yesterday solidified that there will be teams trying to trade with the Jags, or ahead of them. I like the pick. Well done Chris.
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He looks like he will be the BAP
when the jaguars will pick. I repeat myself several times, how risky giving 18 million $ to a player who will sit on the bench. Specially if we remember what was one of the biggest problem in the locker room. I hope there will be other way (And it will be, if we take David’s not to wise, but for me a little bit calming words seriously)
Plus a new QB contorversy risk is also there. But if Sanchez will be the guy, then I accept it. But sadly I don’t agree with it!
by Zoltan from Budapest on Apr 2, 2009 8:11 AM EDT reply actions
I know
you dont like the idea of paying a guy to sit on the bench but I think this is the best scenerio for a rookie QB no matter what round he is in. We already have our QB for now and this gives us the chance to groom his replacement for the future.
If that guy is a 3rd or lower round selection
then I have no problem, that if he sits on the bench. And if this team had a good last season, (which the Jags sadly didn’t have in ‘08), I don’t mind even a 1st (late ) rounder QB, to sit on the bench and learn. But now it is different.T he seat under Jack is getting warmer. He need results (showing major improvements, a minimum 8-8 kind of record, evidence that last year was just a really bad year, nothing else) to take that heat away from himself and from the front office. And for that he need players, who will actully PLAY (probably as a starter on Day 1). That’s why I’m not OK (fully) with Sanchez.
This season is about winning time. To Jack, to the new Jaguars philosophy by Gene, and yes, even to the franchise as well. I understand that we can be a contender to the Playoffs, but probaly this year the Jags not will return just yet to there (I hope strongly I’ll wrong with this). But the team must show progress. And for that we need players. I’m with Chris. Trade down, if you can(I hope they can), pick a good (or maybe great) player with good charachter on the 1st (and 2nd) round, and I’ll be happy on April 25th.
by Zoltan from Budapest on Apr 2, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
If you only draft lower QB's
You’ll pass up on the Peyton Manning’s, Big Ben’s, Marino’s, Ellway’s.
I do agree we need alot more players, but who couldn’t use a star QB?
If you are going to pay
a player to ride the bench, the only justification would be a future franchise qb. Zoltan, think about Green bay and the Aaron Rodgers situation. He was a first rounder who sat on the bench for three years. It is totally worth it to have your future intact behind your present. You don’t draft for this year, you draft for the years to come. that is why God gave us Free Agency.
I understand the point
And I could agree with that most of the time
But I think the Jaguars are in a situation where they cannot efford, that the first round choice is sitting on the bench all year long, specially a #8.
by Zoltan from Budapest on Apr 2, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
i think they traded back into the first to get him around early 20s maybe mid 20s, a la brady quin
surreal to be teal
AS VIC SAYS
Football is a young mans game and a game of replacement.
by darkseraph18 on Apr 2, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
one more thing
but it is about our mock draft: Today there will be 3 picks, or 5? Because yesterday there was only 1.
by Zoltan from Budapest on Apr 2, 2009 8:18 AM EDT reply actions
Three
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by River City Rage on Apr 2, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions
SO DOES THAT MEAN
The bills pick today or tomorrow??
by darkseraph18 on Apr 2, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Sanchez is the right pick.
Everybody must remember that the old days of need drafting are gone. Even though we have needs all over the roster, all you can do is take the BAP when it’s your turn to draft.
Don’t forget how many years we had the best back-up in the league in Garrard, and now that he’s the starter we need a young QB because we never know when the starter will go down, at any position, but especially QB. Do we really want Cleo Lemon leading the team for an extended period of time?
The Jags can’t continue year after year to pass on possible franchise QBs, especially this year, unless we get lucky and trade down and get one later in the draft. (Josh Freeman, Nate Davis, Pat White, etc.)
Life's battles don't always go
To the stronger or faster man;
But soon or late the man who wins
Is the one who thinks he can.
i still say
trade big john and trade down, there will be an extra second somewhere in there and grab pat white, backup and youth at qb
plus a slot receiver learning from a good route runner in northcutt. two birds one stone, no bench rider
surreal to be teal
The more I think about it
The more I see the Jags trading down and drafting Harvin
I don't think they will draft a WR
in the first place. by the way, did you hear, what Vic said in JTW yesterday? If the jaguars pick at #8 he belives that pick will be Sanchez or Chris Wells! I was surprised a bit by him.
by Zoltan from Budapest on Apr 2, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Can someone please explain to me how to use the fanshots. Im not a computer guy. It wants me to enter a URL at the top. HUH? I could use step by step instructions. Thanks
Find the Quote Tab
you are on the wrong tab. At the top of the Fanshot are five tabs, one is marked “Quote”.
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It is right next to the one that comes up when you click Fanshot
next to it on the left.
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are you on xbox live?
not to be the nerd of the group thats on the internet all day…
but we could chat up on there about why this is good/bad
surreal to be teal
Naw I won't be on XBL until probably things cool down a little bit.
I am working on my thesis and trying to complete my graduation requirements….I graduate in May.
FAMU baby!
If Seattle doesn't blow it
by taking Sanchez at four I’d be more than happy with The Dirty @ 8.
Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Fred Taylor. Sounds about right.
Ok
Yes we would have the next QB for a while
BUT WITH THAT: say hello to another QB controvery every time the team lose, or David play average or bad, and maybe the most expensive bench player in 2009 draft…
by Zoltan from Budapest on Apr 2, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions
Don't care.
Give me the possibility of having the next franchise QB and I’m happy. I don’t care about the “QB Controversy” argument. Who cares? It’s a media induced hype effort. Say what you will about an expensive bench player but the Bengals, another small market team, took Carson Palmer number one overall in 03 and sat him behind Jon Kitna before he took over as the full time starter.
Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Fred Taylor. Sounds about right.
Don't you remember how bad it was a couple years ago>
The team doesn’t need another controversy, and the fans don’t need another excuse to split into factions and tear into each other and say they’re not buying tickets because their favorite guy isn’t the QB, whoever it is.
by MoveThoseChains on Apr 2, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I lived it just like everyone else in Jacksonville.
Controversy is for people who can’t commit to the team. Pardon me but I don’t recall the team enjoying a spike in ticket sales after Byron was let go. People that want to go to the games will go those who don’t want to go won’t.
I’ve made my stance clear. If Sanchez is there I’m for taking him. You don’t pass on a possible franchise quarterback no matter how it might hurt the feelings of some people.
Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Fred Taylor. Sounds about right.
But it sure comes back to haunt you in a few years
When your supposed franchise quarterback is a bust, and that pick could’ve been a 10-year starter for you at LT or DL or any other position. And I haven’t seen a single thing out of Sanchez that tells me he’s not going to be a bust.
by MoveThoseChains on Apr 2, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a crystal ball business as Vic says.
So how do we know Sanchez is going to be great or a failure? We don’t. There’s nothing that tells me he’s going to be a bust. I like everything about him.
Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Fred Taylor. Sounds about right.
Is it the way he only started for a year?
Or his incredible job quarterbacking the most talented college team in the country to not a national championship? Was it his inability to do anything against Oregon State and stay relevant in the title picture? Is it the fact that his own coach said he wasn’t ready to go to the NFL? Because I love all those things too…for another team. That’ll be a team that the Jaguars don’t need to worry about anymore.
by MoveThoseChains on Apr 2, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
What about his incredible showing against Penn State? Yea, he didn’t lead them to a Nat’l. title but like everyone says he only had sixteen starts. If we draft him he can sit for a year and gain that NFL experience then maybe takeover in 2010. His own coach now claims he said what he said because he wanted to test the mettle of Sanchez. It’s likely that or Carroll was just peeved he lost his starting QB to the big leagues so fast. If Sanchez had stayed in college another year he likely would have been the number one overall pick next year. So what’s the problem with getting him a year earlier and letting him learn how the NFL works?
Look, if you like him you see all the good things, if you don’t you see all the negative things.
Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Fred Taylor. Sounds about right.
How do you know he wouldn't have fallen apart next year?
You also can’t seriously think that Penn State was a quality opponent. If it wasn’t for the ridiculous ESPN hype machine, no one would’ve watched that game. Carroll is just doing damage control now because he wants his guy to get drafted high so he has more good things about the program to tell recruits.
The problem with getting him a year early is that that’s a year of tape that you don’t have on him. That’s a lost year of in-game learning that can’t be taught any other way. I’m all for projects and teaching and letting rookies sit, but that’s not what you do with the #8 pick in the draft. In the 2nd round? Sure.
I agree that your opinion of him changes what you see in him, but I contend there just isn’t very much good to see because there isn’t very much to see at all. He had one good game, and it happened to be played on January 1….and that’s really it.
by MoveThoseChains on Apr 2, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
And what if he didn't fall apart?
Sure Penn State was a hyped up but that doesn’t change the fact Sanchez ripped them pretty good. Carroll can claim what he said was meant to be taken any number of ways.
I contend I like what I see. I see the talent, the arm strength, the intangibles and most importantly he’s good from the neck up.
Just to simplify it, if the Jaguars are stuck at eight who do you think the Jags should take?
Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Fred Taylor. Sounds about right.
I don't know how you can see any intangibles
When he hasn’t had any opportunity to show them off. The talent is fine, but if I’m going to be making that kind of investment in a player, I want to know more about him. I have no problem picking a player to develop him, but not while I am paying him #8 money.
After I’m done cursing and swearing because of my inability to trade down, I don’t know who I’d pick, but I do know it wouldn’t be Sanchez. Orakpo, Brown, and Andre Smith would all be higher on my list.
by MoveThoseChains on Apr 2, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
I doubt Orakpo is available at eight but even if he is he’s another undersized pass rusher ala Quentin Groves. I don’t see Brown being the guy either. Taking a Florida State pass rusher is a dangerous thing, they’ve had a high failure rate. Brown doesn’t have the prototypical size for a 4-3 DE at 6’2, 255lbs. Smith? So, you’d take a guy multiple character concerns with a GM that’s done nothing but preach high character?
You’d be better off making a case for Malcolm Jenkins than any of those three.
Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Fred Taylor. Sounds about right.
Dude, I agree with every
single thing you have said in your previous comments. Word. Hit the nail on the head in multiple fashions. I don’t have to beat a dead horse. You killed it.
The Talent
Is the the thing that bothers me the most. USC was without a doubt the most talented team in the NCAA in 2008. The fact that Sanchez wasn’t able to lead that team to the National Title intrigues me. If USC had lost to a good, legit team I wouldn’t have as big a problem with it. But they lost to Oregon State. Thats seems unreal.
The same for Stafford in a way. When Georgia was ranked pre-season number 1, I didn’t really buy into that. But I did expect them to make a better bowl than the Capital One Bowl. Stafford shouldn’t have allowed his offense to flutter against Alabama on national t.v, and Georgia’s offense sucked it up against an overrated Florida defense. Stafford had weapons, but at times he didn’t use them. Hell, my Auburn Tigers were a pass interference call away from beating Georgia.
Thats Good For Another Jacksonville... First Down.
Georgia got ravaged by injuries
USC had no excuse.
by MoveThoseChains on Apr 2, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Oregon State isn't exactly a creampuff team. They're legit... not top 10, but they are a legitimately good team.
The End Is Nigh... www.infowars.com
Or
Look at it like this, it may light a fire under Garrard and the Vets that have their QB’s back. You never know….
Everybody knows when he's coming to town
They're locking the doors
And they don't make a sound
People want him dead but he won't die yet
First he's got to live
With all the things that he did
by thatdamnLovett on Apr 2, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice pick, but I still hope its a smokescreen....
that has us taking a QB with the 8th pick. I’m not a gator, but from a public relations standpoint, wouldn’t it be smart to address the lines and WR this draft and wait until next year to go after a young QB. Just the buzz that would happen fueled by the possibility that his hometown Jags would draft him, would be a positive situation for the Jags, not only locally but nationally.
Nothing
I used to want the Jags to draft him, and then I started asking myself the same queston you just asked. He’s a hit or miss. I don’t see dynamics like I see when I look at Stafford. I’d love to take Stafford if he were available. But I don’t see Sanchez being a good fit. I don’t like drafting a quarterback in the first round with one year of playing experience. I’d think about it in the 2nd, but that’s not the case here. I agree with your question though.
There is a reason NFL teams are looking close
Mark Sanchez is drawing interest from around the NFL. There must be something there.
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I agree with your comment
There obviously is something there. He wouldn’t be such a high prospect. But, as a fan, I just wonder. I mean how many teams were interested in David Carr or Joey Harrington. I could give you a laundry list. Vince Young comes to mind. How horrible did he play his rookie season and yet the media was all over his nuts and somehow he managed to make the pro bowl? Don’t give me that game-changing plays crap. Anyway, so I’m not saying he’s a bust. I’m just saying I haven’t seen enough of him to be confident in his abilities. Great players become great by playing at a high level over an extended period of time right? What’s there to look at? Because he’s a workout warrior and play great in a few games? idk. Sorry for my rant homey.
QB's in the first round have a historic 50/50 chance
Either Stafford or Sanchez, statistically speaking, will be a bust. Maybe both will work or both will bust, but historically one makes it.
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Nothing.
And so I hate this pick. I’d rather let the clock expire than pick Sanchez.
by MoveThoseChains on Apr 2, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude....
I didn’t say anything about Tebow’s abilities as a pro. And as far as trusting you on your ability to evalaute talent for the NFL, I’ll pass. Just curious, who’s your college team?
I did...
and first let me say thanks for serving and protecting our great country. Sports are awesome but having a young son(or daughter) trumps any feeling that sports can bring. I’m also a Longhorn fan, most of my relatives lived and are buried just north of Dallas. Oh yeah, my point about Tebow wasn’t that we should draft him but just the buzz it will bring pre-draft to the Jags if they wait until next year to address QB. Also, good luck with the writing career
Trade Back
Thats all I’m a fan of. If the Jags can’t get rid of the 8th pick, then I guess you have to go Sanchez because anyone else here just wouldn’t make sense. Maybe Beanie Wells, or Vontae Davis, but it seems a little high for both of them 2.
Thats Good For Another Jacksonville... First Down.
Sanchez
Is a nice idea if we could sign him to a 6 yr. contract for $35 mill. (just throwing any amount out there, not trying to be accurate)but, his 1st two seasons that he rides the pine he only makes the min. then as he starts his 3rd season his pay increases.
So basically If he’s in training ,pay him trainee pay…When he starts give him supervisor pay.
But, i’d trade down….
Everybody knows when he's coming to town
They're locking the doors
And they don't make a sound
People want him dead but he won't die yet
First he's got to live
With all the things that he did
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