2009 Draft Reactions
First off, a huge thank you to everyone who participated this draft weekend. Without a doubt Big Cat Country set a two day record for activity this weekend. From the first thread up Saturday until now, there have been 27 threads or stories up on the front page. However, the real eye popping number is the nearly 3000 comments left by readers. Once again, thank you for making Big Cat Country the best Jaguars site on the net.
Second, it's my one year anniversary of registering at BCC. I discovered this site during the last off-season and remember going "What, somebody actually bothered to have a site devoted to the Jaguars" and "Who is this guy and why does he keep saying we're going to get Philip Merling."
This was Gene Smith's first draft as General Manager and it'll be remembered for more than that. Did Gene stick strictly to BAP? Doubt it. However, compared to last year's de facto two player class, I'm thrilled with the results. I won't give a "Grade" as that is pointless at this point. That doesn't mean I don't have my own thoughts.
1. Eugene Monroe, LT, Virgina: Read my thoughts here
2. Eben Britton, RT, Arizona: Honestly, I felt Everette Brown should have been the pick here. However, you can never have too many good tackles on the roster. It seems that Pashos and Britton will be battling it out for the Right Tackle spot in training camp, with the loser becoming the right guard.
3. Terrance Knighton, DT, Temple: The third round is where things seemingly started going down hill. Knighton was a reach here in the third round; however, he certainly has potential and provides another body to clog up the middle. Assuming Derek Landri can "Come off the shelf" the Jaguars have their new jar on the shelf DT.
4. Derek Cox, CB, William and Mary: Mr.Cox, let me be the first to formally welcome you to the Jaguar's family. In addition, congratulations, you'll likely be the most scrutinized draft pick since Byron Leftwich.
Why do you trade a second round pick to select a guy in the third round who most draftniks had at best as a "Late round/UDFA gem"? Honestly, I don't know. Cox has impressive size and off the charts measurables. However, then why was he playing at William and Mary and not Southern Cal?
5. Mike Thomas, WR, Arizona: The Jaguars go back to the desert to get a quality WR and returner. Thomas is a poor man's Percy Harvin. He is also the anti-Shack Harris wide receiver. Instead of a basketball player, Thomas is 5'7 and a blazer. Great pick with excellent value.
6. Jarrett Dillard, WR, Rice: Dillard put up bigger numbers than Michael Crabtree and will give 110%. A safe pick who can help out on special teams until he adds some bulk.
7. Zach Miller, TE/QB, Nebraska-Omaha: The self described "poor man's Tim Tebow" will apparently be Mike Tice's pet project. He can become a quality receiving TE who offers plenty of after the catch potential. In addition, maybe the Jaguars have their "Wild Cat" quarterback.
8. Rashad Jennings, RB, Liberty: A terrific value pick and another body in the running back stable.
9. Tiquan Underwood, WR, Rutgers: I'll be honest, I don't know anything on the guy.
On non-jaguar related draft news
1. Biggest Boom or Bust pick: Percy Harvin, WR, Minnesota Vikings. Harvin can be the rookie of the year or he could be serving a four game suspension before he even plays a down.
2. Facepalm of the draft: Darrius Heyward-Bey going to the Raiders followed by my initial reaction of learning Gene traded a 2nd rounder to draft Cox.
3. After Stafford, the rest of the Lions' draft left me unimpressed. Especially puzzling was selecting Brandon Pettigrew over Michael Oher and Alex Mack. If history has taught us nothing else, make sure your franchise QB can stay upright before worrying about getting him weapons. My gut reaction is they'll be the same ole Lions.
4. Steal of the draft: James Laurinaitis, LB, St.Louis Rams. I honestly think the Road Warrior is going to be ten year fixture for them.
5. I love Pat White. However, there is no way he is worth a 2nd round pick. He's a Wildcat QB, lovely; the Phins already had Ronnie Brown.
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Nice
Derek Cox better prove his worth fast, or he is going to have 70,000 fans breathing down his neck on sundays. At first I was shocked at the pick, but now I think I’m liking it more and more. The guys seems like he has great ability, but like you said, why wasn’t he playing at a bigger school. Maybe he didn’t blossom until he got into his college career.
All I know is that I hope for Gene’s sake as well that this guy turn into a starter.
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by Bestjagfan on Apr 26, 2009 9:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Have a hunch
I have a hunch that he will be starting at corner and BW will be a safety cause he will have the speed and ups to keep up with the likes of a Reggie Wayne or a AJ
by jesusjagfan2009 on Apr 26, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what was the limiting factor in that trade, their CB board or the price?
If we were willing to pay a 7th and future 2nd to get near the top of the 3rd did we consider paying more?
Would we be complaining if we paid a future first for Alphonso Smith or maybe Darius Butler?
The trade for an extra pick was the price we had to pay when we drafted a 2nd OT; BPA is a luxury the Jags couldn’t quite afford.
Despite all the BPA talk we needed to bring in an lineman, a DB, and someone who might be a NT and we paid the price when we double dipped, so the real question is, how good is Eben, and is he worth it?
by alsonot on Apr 26, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
eben was #22 on Gil Brandt's value board
Brandt has been around for years and writes for NFLN
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by Surteal on Apr 27, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I'm OK with the move, I just think it was a bigger gamble than most are giving it credit for.
Clearly our coaches loved the guy – but in picking him they introduced a few problems.
I suppose it’s good on them to not let their roster dictate their picks, but to love the move I think you’ve got to believe in Cox (comparatively anyhow). On top of that you have think that these two OT picks won’t wreck the chemistry of our team and/or line. All in a days work for DelRio eh?
by alsonot on Apr 27, 2009 4:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
football is about competition
no job is ever secure
They are proffesionals and they know this, lets let them compete and field the best guys.
as far as the locker room, no i don’t think it wrecked it. I see where youre coming from but theres no reason to worry.
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by Surteal on Apr 27, 2009 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Eben might be the best selection
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by Tkopa on Apr 27, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff
I love the value the Jags got up front, if last season taught us anything its that the big guys can make or break your team. I’m not a fan of the Cox move but I am willing to be patient with it, draft guys aren’t always right so maybe there were a few teams that thought of Cox as highly as the Jags so they wanted to be sure to grab him. Overall I liked the draft, lets focus on staying healthy and get ready for the new season!
by jstnblke41 on Apr 26, 2009 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe...
that the question that will be on the lips of ever serious Jaguar fan will be “Was Cox worth the value” – and we may not know until mid-season. I’ll say this – if he doesn’t see significant playing time by mid-season, for me it is a bust. Now, circumstances (injuries) may call for an extension on that, but I expect a second rounder to be a starter, and that is what Cox is, a second rounder.
Otherwise I really liked this draft.The only play I can truly say I am certain was a reach (from my own study of the players, which is limited, I’ll admit) was Knighton.
However, on the bright side… we did end up addressing most of our needs (if everyone pans out) while staying, fo the most part, true to the BAP philosophy. Good job Gene.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Apr 26, 2009 9:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Underwood is smart
and is a very nice guy. He was a workout warrior at the Combine.
On the downside, he is coming off a year where he simply could not hang on to the ball. And he is thin as a rail.
by number_twentyone on Apr 26, 2009 9:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and do you know why they will be
the same ole’ Lions? Lack of discipline!
by Jaghomer on Apr 26, 2009 10:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's true.
It’d impossible to be worse than last year!
by nineohfour on Apr 27, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with everyting
with the right to reserve judgement on Derek Cox.
Thanks for all the help on Saturday.
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by Tkopa on Apr 26, 2009 11:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My only overall disappointment
is that Ian Johnson went undrafted. I would have named him at least as Mr. Irrelevant.
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by Orlando Rays on Apr 27, 2009 7:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good piece
As always. If Cox Knighton and Miller will be a n upgrade, plus these 3 WR will be really a threat, we have the best draft over the last 7 years!
by Zoltan from Budapest on Apr 27, 2009 7:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice piece - I give the Jags draft a C+ / B-
What was right about the draft – Monroe – obviously. This was an A pick!!
They passed on a center in Max Unger – he had 1st round grades. I beleive that center is an area of need for this team. If not a center- Everette Brown should have been taken here (BAP) since we are also absent a pass rush. We addressed DE last year, but I beleive Brown to be better than the two we got.
Britton – ok pick, not great – especially when you could have had the center or Brown.
The next two picks really kill the overall draft grade for me. DT was an area of need. To pick someone who has no pass rush and is considered somewhat of a project – for THIS team – head scrtatcher.
The next pick really kills me – giving away next year’s 2nd pick for a third round “possible reach” pick. The article is correct – this will be THE most scruntinized pick all year long. This also really plants doubts with me – Gene doesn’t have draft savy (like NE for example). Cox had better the a stud among studs.
The WR’s are good picks I was delighted to see the Jags avoid ANOTHER 1st round bust at this position. Frankly, they keep the draft grade from falling even further.
There you have it. I thought Gene’s first draft was overall mediocre. I’m disappointed in that because I liked his personel moves up to the draft and was expecting more draft savy. If Britton and especially Cox hit big time – then my name is mud :-). We’ll just have to wait and see.
by OGN on Apr 27, 2009 9:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They said in an interview that by the time they were to select in the 3rd
Knighton was the only DT left in the draft that had starting potential. So, I can handle that pick. But for them to say that Cox would have been taken before the 4th and they couldn’t have waited and saved the 2nd rounder, I think is crap. Nobody was thinking Cox in the 3rd IMO. I don’t really know, I admit, but it was probably a huge reach. If he starts (and actually plays well) it will be worth it. Until then, I’ll be a skeptic.
by Blair72 on Apr 27, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I don't really know, I admit"
And you should’ve stopped right there. You really don’t know. If the Patriots had made that pick, everyone would be down on their knees praising them. It’s very possible the Patriots or another BLESTO team had their eye on Cox and was about to pull the trigger.
by MoveThoseChains on Apr 27, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Obviously if the Jags felt it was necessary to take Cox that high, another team had him in their sites. It was a gamble, and I have to admit at first when I saw it I was pissed off. But I think the guy could start after watching some of his tape.
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by Bestjagfan on Apr 27, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would I praise the Patriots for doing the same
thing I’m questioning the Jags FO for doing? I reserve the right to have my own opinion. And yes, I admit, I don’t really know. The guy may be good. I hope he is. I watched a few highlights of him, and he doesn’t really jump off the screen, but I like what I saw. Look man, I have hope. And I could very well be wrong with my previous comment, but that’s my opinion. I’m not a scout. I’m a fan who just shares what I believe. I really do hope they knew what they were doing. Either way, the overall draft for the Jags was great. Even if Cox ends up being a bust, if the receivers make an impact, and the OL live up to their expectations, I’ll be the happiest man alive. One bust out of 6 or 7 sounds great to me. I’d rather a 2nd rounder be a bust than three consecutive first rounders.
by Blair72 on Apr 27, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kept saying that Gene had a plan
going into the draft. I never guessed that it would be to trade a 2nd pick next year for a head scratcher like like Cox. Cox and Knighton are the only picks I have questions about. I love the WR picks and also getting Zack Millr. With the new linemen and all these speedy WR we are going to see a better offense this year. I just wish that they would have done more for the defense.
by JagSoldier on Apr 27, 2009 9:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Peter King
Quote of the week was the Britton (“you will regret pass on me”) speech:
Every team that passed on me will regret it for the rest of the history of their franchise.’’
—Tackle Eben Britton, drafted 39th overall by the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Chicago and Dallas are in the clear. Their first picks came after No. 39. But all you other teams out there, all 29, you’re in big, big trouble. Huge trouble. When Eben Britton speaks, we all quake because Britton is the best tackle in the history of football, and when he gets out there on the field, boy, he’s going to put Munoz and Ogden and Shell to shame.
Come to think of it, the Jaguars passed on Britton too. So Jack Del Rio, beware. You’ve got a guy in your locker room determined to make a fool of you.
(There is a Jimmy Smith qute there as well-sadly)
Als0 he wrote this about us:
Jacksonville. If you’re going to play smashmouth, and your line stunk last year, and you’ve just paid your smallish bowling ball of a back big money to be your back of the future, then no, I have no problem with going Eugene Monroe-Eben Britton 1-2 in the draft. None.
by Zoltan from Budapest on Apr 27, 2009 9:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not The Best LT
But a pro bowl RT… maybe.
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by Bestjagfan on Apr 27, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Cox has impressive size and off the charts measurables. However, then why was he playing at William and Mary and not Southern Cal?"
Maybe he developed said skills in college. As hard as they try, not every major talent ends up at BCS schools.
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by Orlando Rays on Apr 27, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That and sometimes scouts just miss guys in high school
Why did Rashean Mathis attend Bethune Cookman? There’s tons of cases of that kind of thing.
by SoCalStites on Apr 27, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
broken leg in high school
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by Surteal on Apr 27, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do we know?
I completely understand questioning the pick but when you know nothing of someone and are basing opinion on someone else’s opinion, how can we possibly assume our opinion is educated? I’ll abstain from any criticism until I see him on the field and if he is able to earn that starting job. Here is a nice article on him.
http://www.flathatnews.com/content/70572/d…closing-stretch
Excerpt
[QUOTE]
With his NFL career on the line, Cox stepped onto the Zable Stadium turf to audition in front of scouts from the New York Giants, Baltimore Ravens, New England Patriots and Pittsburgh Steelers.
Cox’s preparation paid off. The senior clocked in with times of 4.39 and 4.42 in the 40-yard dash — elite marks for any player — while displaying a 36.5-inch vertical jump and an outstanding mark of 11’8" in the broad jump.
Within several days of the session, representatives from the Indianapolis Colts called, seeking to set up an individual workout with Cox in Williamsburg. The Patriots did the same – they wanted a second look. So did the Philadelphia Eagles.
Despite his rising popularity, Cox characteristically maintained an even keel.[/QUOTE]
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by bwfull on Apr 27, 2009 11:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
I keep hearing the quote that one of the announcers made (Kiper?) about him (Cox) being the 108th ranked CB, and Knighton and Cox being a reach. But are we saying this while knowing the player? I won’t say a word about either until I see them play, except that I like the measurable, times and the act that our scouting department (and some others) seemed to like both players a lot.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Apr 27, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His measureables
and stats alone should put him in the top 50.
by Ewdtrey on Apr 28, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al? go back to oakland
i kid
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