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Where are we going? Maybe past articles have already pointed the way

I am trying to prepare for the coming season and I looked back on some old articles I had written. If you don't mind, I would like to bring out some of the old stuff and provide fresh commentary. I think it helps me understand where this season is headed.
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In a post from "How Lou Saban built the Electric Company" I wrote.

Hope had returned to Buffalo in 1972, Lou Saban had returned as head coach of the Buffalo Bills. He immediately began building the greatest running attack ever unleashed on the NFL.
When he arrived in 1972, he found little of the championship team he left in 1965. The team had been horribly mismanaged gaining only 13 wins in the previous 5 years. He found OJ Simpson on special teams running back kickoffs and barely used in the offense. "I believe in running the ball, basic, hard-nosed football," Saban said. "We have a great runner, a game breaker, who is a big-play athlete. I intend to use him." Lou called Jim Ringo, an offensive lineman from the Lombardi era Packers, to come and coach the line and then went off looking for talent. He called the NY Jets and traded for Dave Foley a former 1st round draft choice with three years experience. He drafted Reggie McKenzie in the second round and put him immediately in the lineup. OJ Simpson gained over 1,200 yards in 1972 and the Bills managed 4 wins. That season showed the possibility to Reggie McKenzie who began proclaiming a vision of a season no one had ever seen. Lou Saban and Jim Ringo volunteered to coach the Senior Bowl to get a firsthand look at the draft prospects. They drafted Joe DeLamielleure in the first round. They traded with the New England Patriots for guard Mike Montler and told him he was the new starting center. Jim Ringo gathered the new offensive line, McKenzie, Foley, Montler, DeLamielleure, and tackle Donnie Green, and had them hit the blocking sled until they dropped every day. Training camp was brutal as told by Reggie McKenzie.
The 1973 season was ready. Reggie McKenzie continued to talk about the 2,000 yard season, but after the Bills lost all six preseason games, hope diminished. It was good that the first game was away at the New England Patriots. When the Bills offensive line ripped off 360 yards rushing with Simpson gaining 250, people began to believe. By mid-season the Bills offensive line had accumulated 1,528 yards rushing and Simpson was over 1,000. On the last game of the year everyone tuned in. Simpson needed 61 yards to break Jim Brown's single season record and 197 to hit 2,000. Reggie McKenzie guaranteed it.
When the season was over, the statistics were unbelievable, over 3,000 yards rushing, 220 yards per game, 6 yards per attempt. OJ Simpson had 2,003 yards and 143 yards per game. 35 years later, the average per game records still stand, no one has come close. Only the 1978 New England Patriots put up more rushing yards in one year, only the second team to ever generate 3,000+ rushing. The Bills won 9 games that year.

Commentary: Gene Smith signed Maurice Jones Drew to a long term contract, picked up Tra Thomas in free agency and then drafted Eugene Monroe and Eben Britton in the draft. Andy Heck is the offensive line coach, the greatest coach on the Jaguar team right now. Jack Del Rio volunteered to coach the Senior Bowl. Training camp should be, better be, as brutal as anything on record. Will history repeat itself? Is Maurice Jones Drew poised to put up a 1973 OJ Simpson year? I would pick MJD up right now in any fantasy league you have.

In a post named "Where Jack should evaluate" I wrote this:
We can all offer opinions on what should be done, but sometimes facts point to a different solution. Let's focus on defense for a moment. When a defense takes the field it seeks to minimize the opponents yards gained. A good defense stops the opposing offense from going anywhere. The fewer yards allowed, the fewer points. Not all points scored in a game are the defense's fault, but all offensive yards are.

In a season, there are 256 games played with 256 wins and 256 losses. In the 2005 season, the 256 winning teams' defense allowed an average of 291 yards. The 256 losing teams defense allowed an average of 341 yards. 50 yards a game on average decided victory or defeat, these statistics are remarkable consistent year over year.

2005 winners allowed 291 yards, losers allowed 341. 2006 winners allowed 298 yards, losers allowed 345. 2007 winners allowed 296 yards, losers allowed 353. First half of 2008, winners allowed 290 yards, losers allowed 359. In short, when your defense is allowing 300 yards a game or less, you are probably in the playoff hunt. If you are allowing 350 yards or more, you are probably sitting home watching. Exceptions exist, but not many.

Commentary: The Jaguars didn't do much to improve the defense. They did choose not to bring Greg Williams back and hired Casper the friendly ghost as Defensive Coordinator. Does Mel Tucker know where the practice facility is? Has anyone seen him recently? So we don't know what will happen except Derek Cox looks to me to be the real deal at corner. I would consider starting him except Jack Del Rio, in a brilliant move, has already announced Brian Williams as the first string corner

 

Overall summary: I think Dirk Kotter has been given everything he needs to succeed. I expect David to have a great year and the offense to look much better. At least they better look better or something is really wrong.

I think we are sending the same defense as last year out there except Derrick Harvey and Quentin Groves have a year under their belt and a lot of veterans are gone. Will Derrick and Quentin carry the day on the line? I don't know. Will the secondary improve? I doubt it, unless Derek is truly a shut down corner and Reggie learns to read the play.

 All in all, we will have some excitement this year on offense and some disappointments on defense.


But to be very honest, I really think this is the last year for Jack Del Rio. I think Mike Tice is named interim coach before the year is over. We are going to be improving and next year the draft will include a lot of great defensive players. The Jaguars are coming back, just not with Jack as head coach. That is how I see it right now.

 


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if i remember correctly

Del Rio has a history of starting out with rookies on the low end of the depth chart and letting them earn the starting spot, so I would not pay too much attention to Bwill being named the starter after the first underwear practices.

by darkseraph18 on May 14, 2009 11:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you kind of contridicted yourself.

you said there is alot of D in the next draft so then why not keep are best D coach?
it makes no sence to me. Jack is going to stay even if we have another bad year this year he is to good of a D coach to just let go.

zachary cleary

by jagsfan4life on May 14, 2009 11:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it is JDR

JDR is not the greatest coach in the NFL, nonetheless, he is a good coach. I think JDR got too soft last year and got too involved in group decision making with personnel….. Honestly the bigger problem we, as Jaguars fans, have are other Jaguar fans. Jacksonville seems to think that if team isn’t winning all the time they are not worth supporting. Admittedly we are still months away from the start of the season, but apparently blackouts are a very real possibility according to the Times Union. The majority of this city are college football drones that want to see high scoring, high winning percentage teams all the time (ie FSU, UF, Miami). Unfortunately, that isn’t how the NFL works. As a city we got lucky when we landed the Jaguars and we are seizing every opportunity to confirm what the naysayers believed when we got the team, the town is too small to support an NFL franchise. Well, Mr. Fair Weather Fan stay at home, keep voting with your wallet and La Z Boy, soon we will have once had the Jacksonville Jaguars, just purchased by LA…… There are people with financial hardship in Jax, no doubt, but there are plenty that are just as well off now as they were last year. If we don’t get butts in the seats we will be discussing how horrible Wayne Weaver is for selling our beloved Jaguars….Oh, and if you think Jax will ever get another pro team if the Jags leave you are very wrong. Support the Jags, get a friend to buy a ticket with you. This is a business after all.

by Kingfysh on May 14, 2009 11:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i did not say he is the gratest

coach in the NFL i said he is the best D coach we have.

zachary cleary

by jagsfan4life on May 14, 2009 11:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mike Smith was the heart of the Jaguars on Defense

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by Tkopa on May 15, 2009 6:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we dont have mike smith anymore

we have jack and now he is the hart of our D. not mike

zachary cleary

by jagsfan4life on May 15, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yet to be proven

at least to me.

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by Tkopa on May 15, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so your telling us that

Jack should be let go after one bad season?
Even though he took us to the playoffs not only did he take us there he won a game for the first time in what felt like forever. plus we play in a very hard devition that had three playoff teams go that year. If you truly feel that he should be gone after a injery rittled season that he could not controll then why dont we just fire every coach that had a bad season last year i mean it would only make sence if we fallowed your way off thinking. Jake could not prepare for what happened last year no one could have seen what was comming i mean come on if you wont to blame someone blame the players even are linebacking core who took down 40 something % or are takedowns last season said that they could have played Better, All of are free agents did not work out, are back up gard got his leg shot off, Both are starting gards had season ending injerys in the first game, Our best WR was a crack head. Our 2nd best WR has problems, and no one could have seen mike P fighting with Jack but even that happend, i mean you tell me how a coach is going to prepare for that?

zachary cleary

by jagsfan4life on May 15, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What Terry is saying is that JDR hasn't proven himself. A great coach finds a way to deal with the problems like you listed.

Dick Lebeau has great defenses regardless of injury, year in and year out.

Who was the coach before Jack Del Rio? Oh yeah… Tom Coughlin. How many playoff games did he win in his time with the Jaguars…

Jack has only won one game. That’s the fact of the matter.

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by silencecs on May 15, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he was stuck with coughlin's players

now he has his players and when there not injerd we are an 11 win team.

zachary cleary

by jagsfan4life on May 16, 2009 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

JagFan4LIfe

Just curious, what country are you from?

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by Tkopa on May 15, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He can't be

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by Tkopa on May 15, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In response:Jack should be let go after one bad season?

Well it depends firstly, on how you define “bad season”. Me i define not going to the playoffs as a disappointing season and 8-8 and lower as bad seasons. Its not to say that i want JDR gone because of last season but because he is doing consecuative dissapointing seasons, if you fire the shack then fire his co-hort, the Rio. In some ways I wish Casper the Ghost was our coach because he makes the players look behind their backs every few minutes. Almost, we’ve only won 1 playoff game in 5 or so seasons with del rio, its safe to say we went from Very Good- to Below Average over the years.

by TheTealDeal on May 15, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LETS HOPE THAT THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN.......

             That was a great comparison you revealed with the 1972 Bills. Will history repeat itself? I would like to think so. I also think the Jones-Drew will have a breakout year. I think we will return to our devastating run attack we have come to know and love. Whether or not our secondary performs, all depends on how much pressure we get on opposing quarterbacks. Last year we had absolutely NO PRESSURE and it was very ugly. Hopefully, Knighton will be the big man to step in and gobble up opposing running backs. i think that will give Big John a huge boost of inspiration and competitiveness. Derrick Harvey started to come out of his shell slightly at the end of the season and in my forecast, the Gator in him will come out and bite anyone who lines up with him. Groves I am skeptical about. But with his newly added belly, if he can keep his speed just might lay some QB’s down for a nap also. Players are not just great for their raw talent, but for the progess they make when faced with new obstacles. I think our secondary has alot of talent, but it needs to be complimented by a dangerous pass rush.
             I also like Del Rio a whole lot as a coach. I think last year he softened up because he had the same mentality that so many of us fans had. That we need not worry about preparation for the season, we got it in the bag. But the league is a kill or be killed association, and just like any player out there, if your not producing then you have to hit the road. Now it may not be next season, but if something extravagant does’nt happen soon, he is sure to be the next veteran to clean out his locker.
            On the comment posted about our fanbase…..I can not agree with you more. The fans of Jacksonville(not all!!!!!!!) will turn their backs on the only thing we have to cherish if we are not winning. If we keep this up we definitely will not be home of the Jacksonville Jaguars any longer. Do you know the pain we would feel if that happened?? I know I would cry……….I know I would. But most of all, I would be filled with anger and disappointment. It would be excruciating to watch any NFL game period!!!!!!!!!! Please Jacksonville, do what you can to prevent this from happening……………………….

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by FRANKdubz on May 15, 2009 1:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If not Jack

Then who? Who would you like to see at the helm? I like Jack. He has to bring the defense back. If JDR gets the axe…I like Cowher.

by viator on May 15, 2009 7:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I just have some problems with Jack

I don’t think Wayne Weaver would like to do this, but if the talent is there but the organization and performance isn’t, especially on defense, Jack would have made his own bed in the NFL with all the firings.

Ted Monochino is no superstar as a Defensive Line coach.
Mel Tucker is no super star as a Defensive Coordinator.

The next guy will be popular in the NFL and able to attract top talent as coaches. Let me think on that one for awhile.

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by Tkopa on May 15, 2009 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good article Terry

with a stong ending. I think it is a make or break year for jack. He is the defense now. Monachino-well he has hjis last shot this year, and I think there a change is needed…Tucker I hope can improve the secondfary, if that will happen, I’m ok that he is the DC…
But back to Jack, he is a defensive minded coach we all know that. If he can show it in practice this year (I mean here no collapses in the 4th round, if the D needed they can finish the job, could help, when the offense has a bad day) then I accept that as a success. What was the biggest problem (well one of that )last year? Lack of talent! The offense get a big boost in that front so far. The Defense? Well they have might a new corner, a maybe starter a DT, and that’s all. It is not too much…. If Jack can improve with them, just in the points I made a little earlier, he made his job.
And one more thing, no matter how bad the season went, he will be not fired before the season ends. Even not by icehanded, icehearted, ironfisted Gene Smith. I see no reason (exept around 0-10 at Week 11, which will not happen), to Jack been fired.

And the Maurice part, I hope he has a breakout year, and I’m cheering for that. I have one concern: Can he do it 16 games, without injuries???? NOW that is the $64 000 question in my opinion!

by Zoltan from Budapest on May 15, 2009 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zoltan - You have been here long enough

to remember the original articles.

I do think you are right, Wane Weaver has too much class to fire someone during the season. I do think the last year tried his patience.

BTW… Congrats on your article, over 100 replies!

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by Tkopa on May 15, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

But it was partly because of entertaiment issues.

To answer your comment, yeah I think Jack is on the hot seat, and another 5-11 season means most likely he is fired. He is on the edge. I hope he can give and show his best. I like him a lot to coach the team I love much. But once again, he must show all of us, that he can lead this franchise back/to the next level

by Zoltan from Budapest on May 16, 2009 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think to fire someone after one bad year is too soon.

In no way am I suggesting that he is not at fault for last year’s debacle, but it’s unlikely Weaver will fire him after this year as long as there is improvement.

by Kbot on May 17, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

do you need to have superstar position coaches?

That didn’t seem to work out well with greg williams or decamillis last year. I think you just need people to buy into the system that you intend on employing. Not to say that monachino could not be upgraded, but let’s give tucker a chance.

by darkseraph18 on May 15, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some coaches are better than others

and they tend to stay employed, especially the assistant coaches. Defensive LIne coaches typically have a lot of experience.

The head coach has a huge effect of whether top assistants want to come to the team. Bad coaches or rookie coaches make a lotof mistakes that veterans don’t make. I think the answer to you question is “superstar” no, “valuable and competent” – yes.

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by Tkopa on May 15, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree

look at last yrs superbowl coaches, tomlin/wisenhunt. both relatively new head coaches but both very compitent who learned under great systems

by jags2732 on May 15, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

man, some really good analysis...

You guys are stepping it up!

Sounds about right. I am looking for the return of the bend – don’t break defense…. really that is all we can hope for. I am not so down on Groves though. I see him holding his own against Harvey. This will always be the comparison, even though they play different games.

About Jack… I have to say I feel I am fair-weather on this. He’s ballsy in calling the offense, but let’s not forget the fact that he lost total control of his team last year. He is the Coach. As the Coach his word should be law. Don’t mix it up with the players. I don’t like the fact that he had to have Gene come bail him out. Do you think Coughlin would have had this problem? No way! Somebody mentioned Mike Smith. Being in Atlanta, I get frequent exposure to him. At first I was thinking it was Del Rio’s D, but now I wonder. Smith sure doesn’t come across as a hard ass, but he is getting it done and is weeding out the trouble makers.

by Jaghomer on May 15, 2009 8:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bend Don't Break?

That would refer to a defense that is around 15th in the league, not bad but not good. Or do you want to see a return to the top 10, shutdown defense that can win a game win the offense flusters?

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by Bestjagfan on May 15, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Jack will coach better this year

We were excited about Gregg Williams last year, but he had a history of being a hard-head. I don’t think he and Jack had the same philosophy on defense. All that crazy blitzing & man 2 man D didn’t work at all last year, and that’s not Jack’s style.

I think this year Jack brought in Tucker b/c they will be on the same page, and we’ll just get back to straight-up smash mouth football. But this may be a make-or-break year if we don’t see a big improvement. A lot of coaches got the axe last year when the team fell off – it could happen to Jack.

MJD will blow up this year. Good article!

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by JagGameFace on May 15, 2009 8:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The 46

Is pretty smashmouth. I love the defense(46) that Gregg Williams was trying to install, but we just didn’t have the personnel to run it effectively.

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by Bestjagfan on May 15, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who Cares

Whoever said it is right Jack will be back next year he will remain as coach until Weaver sells the team in 2012…just watch….Weaver has noone to blame but himself>>>if he put out a product that was fun to watch people would go….the hiring of JDR and Shack Harris was the downward spiral of this team AND current organization….in past posts on ultimatejaguars.com i said with the Porter and Florence deals Shack Harris bet the whole franchise on them…it could not of been at a worst time with the current economy to give huge paydays to people who have not proved themselves….the Jags repeated the process this year by giving a midget a bigger contract hoping he lives up to it….his numbers speak volumes when he gets involved more>>>his numbers will go down and fumbles go up…this day and age a 2 back approach is better…Jags current coaches and Front Office are all just paid interns….or their decision making speaks like it is…

and im sick of hearing how good people look at practice so far!!! their playing against a weak team!!!! themselves….the only person that makes a real difference is David Garrard Is he hitting the passes outside the numbers? we wont know how good Cox is until he steps on the field against an Opponent til then…who is he covering? weak receivers….not Andre Johnson from the Texans!!!

by kingsmasher on May 15, 2009 10:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Weak Receivers

Hopefully the “weak receivers” that you are referring to are gone. Torry Holt may be 30 + but he is by no means weak. Mike Walker is better than average when he is healthy, and Williamson is just plain fast. The three rookies have tremendous skills and are also great athletes. I’m not saying they are the greatest group around, but they are formidable opponents for Cox to get a good look against.

by jagsfanbrunell on May 15, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

JDR will make it through the season

I remember when jax won at pitt in the playoffs and the JDR was a God and now that he has one bad season with a team that was decimated by injuries, people want him gone? I think hell be around longer, just atleast to see if the team can rebuild. I cant wait to see him turn into a bad*** again this season instead of his last season powder puff crap.

I think this year our offense will be top notch again. I have no doubts that our o-line can be top 5 if our two rookies play as well as expected and guys can come back from injury.Guys like Britton who are ready to punch anyone in the face and kick get down and dirty. With Holt now, Garrard can have some faith in atleast one of his recievers and our run game will be nasty. Idk bout you guys but Im going to LOVE seeing G.Jones getting some carries pounding the rock trucking anyone who gets in front of his Hercules muscles. I cant wait to see the Jags getting back to pounding the ball.

Obviously our defense is not going to be top ten, but I think that the D will make strides next year. I dont think G.Williams fit our personal at all. The strength of the D(if we have one) is our LBs and they did not fit at all with the attack style of Williams. I think they will be more comfortable this year and will emerge again as a strong unit. Of course this largely depends on our d-line. I think Harvey will establish himself this year. He came on strong at the end of last year and def. a year of full training will help. There is alot of talk about Henderson on the decline, and he is def. not the player he used to be but then again, who is playing next to him??? Mier is a good rotational player but honestly a subpar starter. At ends he had a rookie, and Hayword and Spicer. Hayword is nothing close to what he used to be before the injury and Spicer was a good run stuffer but never really a threat to rush the passer. So can you really tell me o-lines didnt totally focus on just taking him out? I might as well lined up next to him to rush the passer…

In the end after all my rambling, Jax wont compete for a suberbowl, but I have no doubt that with the weaker schedule, that they will compete for a playoff spot.

by jags2732 on May 15, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You could be right

I think the defense is the big risk right now and maybe that means it will be ok. Sometimes what you worry about is not what happens.

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by Tkopa on May 15, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Terry, et. al.,

Let’s all hope that Mel Tucker can work a little “magic” with the DB’s AND that a year under the belt for Harvey and Groves AND the drafting of Derek Cox AND the moving of Justin Durant to MLB AND the tougher training camp can make a difference. I just think we are so anxious for the season to take place that we have gotten delusional. I for one am not jumping on the Super Bowl bandwagon unless after Week 16 we are in First place with homefield advantage throughout the playoffs and Torry Holt’s finger straightens out (LOL). We just gotta wait and see, people… Wait and see… wait and see…
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by DeeMoe on May 15, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like how you put it

a lot of “if” in the defense this year. Hey, it might be alright. JDR may have time to focus and things turn around. I like that idea, but it depends on if and if and if ….

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by Tkopa on May 15, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only thing I don't agree with is Mick Tice being named interim head coach

I think Jack will be given a full year to sink or swim and then will be evaluated after that accordingly.

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by FSBlueApocalypse on May 15, 2009 4:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

It is not Oakland, or St. Louis, or the 49ers. Jack has the chance to prove.

by Zoltan from Budapest on May 15, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jack ain't goin' nowhere

JDR is here for at least two more seasons. There is a lot to be said for sticking with a coach. We let Coughlin go to NY where he seems to be doing just fine. The coaches can’t play the game. If the Jaguars get back to a team first mentality they will win more than 8 games. One more Gene Smith draft and the Jags will be back on everyone’s radar. The fans here make me sick. I grew up in ATL and suffered for years with the Braves and the Falcons but I never thought about not rooting for them. If the fans here don’t buy tickets the team will be gone and we will NEVER get another one. Celebrate that.

by elgatojaguar on May 16, 2009 12:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to the site

Thanks for joining.

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by Tkopa on May 16, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is one of the most honest articles I have ever read over here. I too think del rio is history after this year.

if you remember who wayne weaver wanted as the coach before he picked the runnerup….its was kirk ferentz. I know because its the college team I cheer for and he was 50/50 on going. one of the reasons he decided to stay was because his sons were attending or about to attend. theres your coach. this guy can take nobodys and silently make them great. see bob sanders, dallas clark, aaron kampman of the packers, nate kaeding, chad greenway, many of the offensive lineman who is starting in the nfl and nobody has a clue about and make them heard of, etc etc. those guys came into iowa with maybe one scholarship or NONE. the guy is an offensive line guru and a tony dungy kind of leader. the point being is wayne weaver will get his guy this time instead of settling for 2nd best.

very honest article and I think jax is in danger of losing this team if the fans dont turn out. this isnt any different than any other city. to think you cant lose a team…see baltimore, cleveland, st. louis, houston, etc

I salute you for writing an honest article and the posters replying are actually giving real insight instead of some of this sugar coating we are still going to the superbowl. and its just not jag fans either Im talking about when I say that. its alot of teams who think their team can just turn around a bad season OR keep winning without the stars on the field, fans in the seat and good coaches.

jack del rio needs to be a d coordinator plain and simple. he is a good one. he knows nor cares very little about offense. see the recievers you have had on your team and you cant win with that. also how he has left the qb position mostly go into shambles minus one good season. it seems to be jack is not a good evaluator of assistant coaches nor handling personnel. but when given great d players…watch out. he will go back to his forte when he leaves/gets fired IMO

by kinnickcolt on May 16, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

JDR already has gone back to being a D coordinator

JDR is in charge of this defense now. The offense will take care of itself with a rebuilt offensive line, a powerful running game, and the Garrard that isn’t running for his life every single play. Obviously the receivers from the past haven’t worked out, and I do wish that this team had more depth at QB, but I can promise you that the offense will be the least of the worries this year. It’s time to stop evaluating JDR for personnel decisions. That era is in the past. The Jaguars have a real GM now with a real eye for talent.

I understand why you might think that a defensive coach has no business being a head coach. Oh wait, Tony Dungy. No, I don’t understand after all. Let’s be honest; Moore and Manning have always been in charge of the offense. Dungy worried about the defense, as well as being a sort of calming figure behind the scenes. The Jaguars will never be a calm team with JDR on the sideline, but I am ok with that. I want a frenzied nasty team flying to the ball, destroying everything in its path. Koetter is in charge of this offense now. JDR will worry about the defense (much like how you suggest), and I think you’ll like the results. No, wait, I think Jaguars fans will like the results. Colts fans probably won’t, lol.

by MoveThoseChains on May 16, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats pretty much sums up

what i think, thanks for expressing your opinion

by TheTealDeal on May 16, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

JDR is better

than he is given credit for. He has a real good feel for his team on offense and defense. He also has a good feel for the teams in the division. I can see it in his coaching. Fisher is the best at it. But I can see the chess matches. You have to really know the teams to even notice it though. But as for indication as to why I like JDR as a head coach. Just look at his 4th down calls for one. Or special teams calls. Or what he does in goal line situations. And as for him drafting our sucky WR’s of the past, he wasn’t our GM and there are indications that he wanted to pick other players that actually turned out good. Terrell Suggs was one of those players for example.
As for the Mike Peterson ordeal, I think he did it the right way. People get mad at him for calling out someone that was supposedly high in the leadership hierarchy; but the way I see it, if you want to show your dominance you go after the lead dog not the runt. Truth is Mike was under performing anyhow.

by Ewdtrey on May 16, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It seems everyone except Jags fans

seem to forget about the horrible o-line injury bug that was the major reason for last years performance and the shambles that Shack Harris has left us in, do a little more research there KinnickPony, JDR doesn’t control all aspects of the game thats why you have GM’s and coordinators.

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by thatdamnLovett on May 17, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Terry, maybe you answered this in the comments already, so pardon me just skimming through, but

What kind of season do you think we’re headed for if it comes to the point Del Rio is let go midway through?

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by FSBlueApocalypse on May 16, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

JDR would have to go 0-8

And probably cut cocaine with a credit card and stab a dude.

by MoveThoseChains on May 16, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

John, thanks for asking

As I work through the facts, as I see them, Del Rio turns the offense over to Dirk Koetter, he runs the defense.

Say the defense isn’t improving. Say the offense is carrying the day. Maybe it is players, maybe schemes, maybe both, but Del Rio is tagged with the defense and it doesn’t come through.

Wayne Weaver gave Jack a seat at the table in the draft and free agency last year and it was a disaster. Jack then loses the team and we go 5-11. I think Wayne Weaver is pissed about that but gave Jack one more chance. Now a scenerio unfolds where Jack isn’t getting it done. Gene Smith did his part, Dirk Koetter did his part, David and Maurice are doing their part, but Jack isn’t pulling it together.

So they are 5-7 and Wayne throws up his hands and says “Jack, can I see you”. I just think Jack lost all his credibility when he threw that big party when they were 3-3 and lost focus on football. Wayne stripped him of everything but coaching and he is only doing defense and that isn’t coming through. Sorry, it isn’t anything but a feeling.

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by Tkopa on May 16, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually like

last years top 2 picks. I hated our 5th round picks. Chauncey Washington was an upside pick with his measurables.

by Ewdtrey on May 16, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying Harvey and Groves are bad

I just think the draft strategy of “We are so good, no draft choice below round two can make ths team” was an indication of being completely off this planet. No other strong team develops with this strategy. Add in Jerry Porter and Drayton Florenace and you have a situation tha needs to change.

Wayne Weaver took power away from Jack. That is a fact. It was done as a reaction to failure.

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by Tkopa on May 16, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's true

but if Groves turns into a starter after Hayward is over the hill, I think 2 starting DE’s in one draft is not a bad draft.

by Ewdtrey on May 16, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

And plus, the position won’t have to be addressed early in the draft for a while; freeing up room to stay true to BAP.

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by Bestjagfan on May 16, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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