Jacksonville fans are great NFL fans, thank you very much
by Tkopa on May 17, 2009 9:37 PM EDT
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When you look at these attendance figures it looks like Jacksonville is below average when it comes to average attendance per game. We hear of blackouts and how the fans don't support the team. But let's take a look at this from a different angle. Let's see how much support the team draws from the surrounding metropolitan area.
Jacksonville is the 40th most populated area in the United States with a 2008 census total of 1,300,000. The top 10 are: NY (19,000,000), LA (12,800,000), Chicago (9,500,000), Dallas (6,300,000), Philadelphia (5,800,000), Houston (5,700,000), Miami (5,400,000), Atlanta (5,375,000), Washington DC (5,350,000) and Boston (4,500,000).
Now if you divide the home attendance by the surrounding area you get the percentage of the population showing up at home games. Although not a perfect metric, it is a real good indicator of the support the team receives. The top 5 teams in support are: NO Saints (6.3%), Buffalo (6.1%), Jacksonville (4.96%), Green Bay (4.5%) and Tennessee (4.4%). The bottom five with excess stadium capacity are Giants/Jets (.83%), Cowboys (1.01%), Atlanta (1.19%), Miami (1.21%) and Detroit (1.24%). The average across all NFL cities is 2.63% of the population shows up for home games.
When we talk about lack of support look at the Rams at 90% capacity and 2.13% support. Look at the Cowboys with a stadium at 97% capacity and only 1.01% support. Look at Tampa Bay with seats available and receives 2.36% support. Look to San Francisco with 1.58% support.
In short, Jacksonville loves its team and shows up for the games. Jacksonville was a great choice for the NFL because it does have support and it is a growing city.
In the list of top metropolitan areas, as I said, Jacksonville is number 40. There are not that many areas above them in population that don't already have a team. In fact, only LA is looking. There is simply no where better to go in the United States other than LA for the Jaguars. This city has the size and the support of the fans and is growing. The city and the team have a very good stadium contract that keeps the cost low for the Jaguars. The data shows Jacksonville is a much stronger market for football than California. No California team draws the support like Green Bay, Chicago, Buffalo or Cleveland and certainly not like Jacksonville.
So we can rant and moan and profess our dismay over how Jacksonville doesn't support the team. The facts are they do and they do it in numbers much bigger than most of the other NFL cities. From now on when someone posts a comment about how the fans here are front runners and uneducated and unsupportive, tell them the facts.
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Yeah!
Nice stats bro. This should open some eyes. J-Ville loves the Jaguars… The Jags should be here to stay!
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-Akrobatik
by Bestjagfan on May 17, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good stuff, sir… now can we get the major media bums to see those same facts and quit lumping us in with the losers who might move to L.A.? that stuff got old wayyyyyyy back.
Sean Jax Beach Bum
by cuffs007 on May 17, 2009 9:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There are a lot of ways to look at attendence numbers
and a lot of methods used by teams to make them somewhat deceptive. I think straight Cap% is probably the best, if a city isn’t big enough to fill it’s stadium even with a large % of support then the city isn’t big enough for a team. I do think all attacks directed at the Jags (in)ability to fill their stadium should be about the city not the fanbase.
by shake n bake on May 17, 2009 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is it my imagination
or have Colts bloggers been stalking us lately?
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by Tkopa on May 17, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't been over here a lot recently
so I don’t know. I kind of forget about some of the other team sites until someone from over there comes around.
by shake n bake on May 17, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fear
Is taking root. They are looking over the shoulder. They know what awaits ‘over the hill’.
Hello, I'm Bob Barnes
by viator on May 18, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you were at SB before I was over here
so who is the scared one again?
by shake n bake on May 18, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me?
Have I displayed fear? I’m afraid of God. I’m nervous of the dentist. Beyond that, my motto is: “I think we can take Olaf!”
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by viator on May 18, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen
Amen to that Brother. Fear God not man
by jesusjagfan2009 on May 19, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does the asteriks by the Saints, Bills, and Colts mean?
by JagsCub on May 17, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
here's the source with the notes
by shake n bake on May 17, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
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by Tkopa on May 17, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was hoping it would explain how the Colts had 106.4% capacity
the best I can explain it right now is that the stadium is normally ~63,000 capacity, but they can expand it to 70,000, so I guess they partially expanded it for the Colts games this year?
by shake n bake on May 17, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly, the number that matters most is 15,000
That’s how many non-premium seats still need to be sold for the team to avoid blackouts. Then again, lots of teams are having a tough go. I read that the Buccaneers already have gone through their entire waiting list and are now going to be selling tickets to the public.
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by FSBlueApocalypse on May 17, 2009 10:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why is that the number that matters most?
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by Tkopa on May 18, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe it is because that is the number of seats needed to avoid blackouts. Last year, at this point, we were supposedly at 7,000 tickets remaining (closer to the goal). Please correct me if I’m wrong, FSBlue
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by cuffs007 on May 18, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is the impact of blackouts?
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by Tkopa on May 18, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
from WOKV and Cole Pepper… http://wokv.com/blogs/jaguars/2009/05/will-2009-be-the-season-of-the.html
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by cuffs007 on May 18, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this needs a post
The NFL has the blackout rule, no one else. So for the sake of a few seat sales, they hurt themselves big time. It is a misguided policy based in the sixties thinking and we are being told our team is in jeopardy if we don’t conform.
I need to write this up because we are being fed BS and swallowing it. All the media mouths, Vic, Cole, TU, all of them are following along like good little toads.
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by Tkopa on May 18, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sad, but true Terry
this whole blackout thiung.. It is meaningless.
It is just good for fans of teams like the Jaguars have bad hours about it.
How many times a game officialy “sold out”, but all you see, is empty chairs(Maybe it is not a good example but I heard in the past that Miami games are look like this-soldout, and a quite big part of the place is empty…). Meanwhile here there are 1000-3000 unsold tickets are raising question marks every time…ANd the crowd is most of the time very good.
by Zoltan from Budapest on May 18, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The NFL is about the money
And the bottom line is the owners need to make money in order to make having an NFL team a sound investment. Eyes looking at a TV screen don’t make money…tickets sold do. In a money-driven league like the NFL, it’s not nearly as important whether or not the tickets actually get used. As long as they are sold, everyone is happy.
by MoveThoseChains on May 18, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
and the drive for money leads to some silly actions we will talk about later.
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by Tkopa on May 18, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another article in the making, Terry?
Sounds good if so!
by Zoltan from Budapest on May 18, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shine
The light of truth. I’d still like to know your take on potential future coaches…should JDR not work out.
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by viator on May 18, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know you weren’t asking me… but… I like Bill Cowher as a possible Jaguars coach… don’t ask specific reasons… his name just jumps out at me
Sean Jax Beach Bum
by cuffs007 on May 19, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cowher
You put Cowher as coach and things will be different plus not to mention that you will draw a lot of steeler fans to the Jags (my boss being one of them
by jesusjagfan2009 on May 19, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
Cowher is much different than JDR. Cowher just had the advantage of having the Steeler mystique, because of it’s history. Not to mention all the Steeler fans and the better roster he had to work with.
by Ewdtrey on May 19, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Del Rio is close to a Cowher clone. Both defensive backgrounds, played in the league, little to no expertise in scouting… Cowher had a great staff and good players; most importantly, a stable of team leaders that could get that Steelers team so fired up, they could have taken on the IRS.
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by Bestjagfan on May 19, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you Terry.
For putting these numbers into perspective. Every media outlet shoots down the whole small market vs. attendance issue. Well, here’s proof. Jacksonville is truly a football town, as are New Orleans, Buffalo, Green Bay, and Nashville.
by Kbot on May 17, 2009 10:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn it. Just had an idea off the top of my bald head.
Stick with me on this… but… since the Jaguars are attempting to gain back a strong identity with the purging, of sorts, of the roster, getting new uniforms, drafting quality AND good character players… Why in the world hasn’t there been any squeaks about getting a sponsor for the rights to name the stadium?… I’m feeling that something along those lines would help give a more “rounded” identity. What do you folks think? Should we start a new Fanpost about this? I still really like Maxwell House being the sponsor. Sounds like a strong, blue collar kinda thing that the Jaguars could have a field day with.
OK, there’s no more ideas left on top of my bald head… just a little sun from today.
Sean Jax Beach Bum
by cuffs007 on May 17, 2009 10:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha.
John Deere. Under Armour. Skoal. Marlboro.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
by Bestjagfan on May 17, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Redbull, The Navy, Shoe Carnival, Jack Daniels, Slim-Jim.
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by silencecs on May 17, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AcuVue Contact lenses
See Better Stadium
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by Tkopa on May 18, 2009 4:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice... that was clever...
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by silencecs on May 18, 2009 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah. Never thought of RedBull as a sponsor. Cool idea!
Sean Jax Beach Bum
by cuffs007 on May 18, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was acutally trying to be sarcastic... But you're right... Redbull would be a bad-ass sponsor
Can you imagine… Free Redbulls at the gate. Vodka and Redbull at the Bar. A fanbase hyped up on synthetic crackand screaming at the opponent…. We would quikly become the most feared home field in the nation!
-Collin
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by silencecs on May 18, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is
a Hungarian energy drink company who sells product called “Hell”. They recently made a deal with a Formula 1 team, maybe they intrested overseas…
by Zoltan from Budapest on May 18, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weaver has addressed this matter before
The problem is, with the economy the way it is, getting a sponsor now would probably mean he would have to sell the rights at a “discount” price in comparison to normal years. That doesn’t sound so bad right? At least he would be making money.
Well the problem is when you do that you depreciate the value of the rights, and so when you want to make future deals you can’t sell the rights for as much. (Or your stuck in a undervalued contract)
So he’s just gonna wait this out.
by Ewdtrey on May 18, 2009 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen
Every year they talk more and more about the possibility of the Jags representing a different city and every year I refuse to believe it . Still, that seed of doubt grows and I can almost feel my stomach start to ache. Thankfully, these numbers put my mind a little at ease.
It’s not our fault they built a stadium that would better suit a city of 3M peeps.
by Jags-Fan-In-Chicago on May 17, 2009 11:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When 5% of the area shows up on Sunday
you have a good place.
If Jacksonville grows at 5% a year, in 14 years it will be 2,600,000. Even at 3% engagement, demand would be at 78,000 on Sunday. That is in line with where Denver or Kansas City are now.
The NFL can move if they want, but they would alienate this population.
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by Tkopa on May 18, 2009 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas and Pittsburgh
The one glaring thing I noticed was that both the Cowboys and Steelers drew less per contest and a smaller percentage to capacity then the Jaguars. Yet, no one would ever think that they should move to LA. Things that make you say, Hmmmm.
by cincybulljags on May 17, 2009 11:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Post
I love the stats you found, but I have to agree with one poster above, all that matters is that the stadium is full and/or blackouts no longer occur. I agree the stadium is over built and in the long run Jax is going to grow a lot (which is hard to watch as the city you grew up in gets paved over). I stand by an earlier remark I have made, that fans in Northern Florida have been spoiled by college football teams that almost always have winning records and are high scoring teams. I hope the fans are getting better educated, and I think they are by websites like this and Vic Ketchman’s column. Nonetheless, LA is hungry, has much more cachet then Jacksonville and is a credible threat to us keeping a team. I don’t think Wayne Weaver is actively looking to leave Jacksonville, we should be much more worried about who will inherit the team when he dies or who he sells the team to. He is an old man.
by Kingfysh on May 17, 2009 11:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow Terry
Thanks for the statistics. I hope this year (somehow)at least there will be so many fans in the Jaguars games as last year.
by Zoltan from Budapest on May 18, 2009 12:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Population stats
Where did you get the surrounding area population? Green Bay, by far, has the smallest metro population at just over 200,000. That comes out to a lot more than the 4.5% figure you came up with.
by mgarb on May 18, 2009 8:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The surrounding areas are included as well, I think.
Plus, The people own the Packers, not a single like Wayne Weaver
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by silencecs on May 18, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not a single entity I meant
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by silencecs on May 18, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got it from the census figures, I'll post a link later.
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by Tkopa on May 18, 2009 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome
I like this, man. You bring wisdom and truth to the forefront in all of your articles.
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by viator on May 18, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here is what matters
Fan loyalty doesn’t mean a hill of beans if we can’t sell tickets, and whoever takes over the team after Weaver knows this. Marco (who owns 25% stake in the team) has already came out publicly and stated that if he gets majority stake in the team he is going to take it to L.A said that J-ville is small time compared to LA. We as fans need to be motivated enough to buy tickets cause if we don’t the Jags will not be here anymore
by jesusjagfan2009 on May 18, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jacksonville is small time compared to LA
But if LA isn’t available, then where?
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by Tkopa on May 18, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LA is big enough
LA is big enough to handle two teams. Still think that the JAGS can make money here but the team needs to give fans a reason to drop the money on tickets, sorry but Jacksonville fans are not going to pay to watch a team loose almost all their home games
by jesusjagfan2009 on May 18, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they didn't even support one when they had one.
I don’t believe LA is a two team market. Oakland and San Diago are not over the top supported like the Redskins are. Why would LA be different? If they demanded football, they would have had football.
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by Tkopa on May 18, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think LA
may be a little misunderstood. Like Jacksonville, LA needs time to adopt a team. I would be skeptical of a team coming here if I think they might move away again at any time. That’s especially true if all these years I’ve been a fan of another team. If I’m a Jacksonville fan partly because I have no team here, it would be hard for me to switch loyalties if say the Vikings moved here. Spending hundreds of dollars on a team I don’t really have an interest in, is kind of hard for me to contemplate doing.
by Ewdtrey on May 18, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1995-00
The Jags were very profitable during those years cause they played well and gave the fans a reason to come out to watch games. We start winning again the Jags will remain here have a few more seasons like last one and they will be on the first plane out to LA
by jesusjagfan2009 on May 18, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ticket sales
I Agree, we have the BEST fans , but we as fans need to do OUR part each year to ensure the team stays right HERE where it belongs. Other wise this bibble- babble about the future of the Jags is going to continue every off season. And quite frankly, i’m SICK OF IT!! 11-5 or 5-11 record, Economy or no Economy,i’ve got my tickets. It’s put up or shut-up time but please, no more excuses. If your sick of all those writers out there like i am, let’s shut them up! WE ARE……JAGUARS!!!!!!!
by JAGS 4 EVER on May 18, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jags' Future in Jax
Unfortunately, it’s a commercial league, and fan support doesn’t count for what it used to. It’s all about SELLOUTS, commercial air time, size of the home team’s market for commercial item consumption (jerseys, replica helmets, etc.) and the appeal of the home team to other NFL markets. Bad news, Jagsonville: Small home town market buying Jags jerseys, lack of Jags-appeal to other NFL markets, and lack of home game sellouts. All of this translates to a drag on the league’s money intake. The league wants a team in LA for market exposure. I DO think the Jags are the most vulnerable, particularly when you consider the longevity of current ownership and the fact that nobody in his family wants to step in and run the franchise when he’s no longer around. I’ve loved that my hometown has had an NFL franchise the last several years. I’ve come back to Jax and gone to a few games and had a GREAT time at it. But, I do think the economics are against the long-term prospects of the Jags remaining in Jacksonville. :(
by JagInVA on May 19, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think a lot of that makes sense
but with the league sharing the TV revenue and the fact that the team has it’s separate owner(s) I don’t think the league itself has any say as to where a team plays once the team is settled somewhere.
by Ewdtrey on May 19, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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