Meta-Jaguar issues, The State of the NFL, and Why this is the worst part of the year.
by River City Rage on May 18, 2009 10:00 PM EDT
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Ticket Sale Issues, Jaguars to LA, and other things that make me yawn.
In the Beginning:
The Jacksonville Jaguars were given to the city of Jacksonville on the promise of growth and the idea that the NFL could be profitable in a smaller market. This promise has been matched with the Jaguars, purchased for 203 million and currently worth somewhere around 876 million dollars. The team has seen rapid success, competed with the big dollar teams, and carved out a respectable but small corner of the league.
But, with the passing of the draft and the slow entry into the dead zone, it's time for the yearly struggles with ticket sales to emerge. It's a problem that I'm completely convinced is part of the Jaguars yearly marketing scheme. We get to late May and then Tim Connolly, vice-president for business administration, gives Vito Stellino a call and suddenly we've got a few hundred words all over the internet about how the Jaguars, yet again, can't sell their tickets.
Every year, every damn year, every single offseason we go through the same merry-go-round of stories. First, someone within the Jaguars goes to the media to talk about ticket sales, then Michael Silver will write his yearly article criticizing "whine Weaver", and then someone from the LA Stadium Group will announce that there are "several teams interested in moving to the new facility". And we'll debate it, I'll get angry at it, and we'll all talk about how if there were just a few more die-hard fans, the team would be set.
I respectfully decline:
This year, I just can't do it. I refuse to fall into the trap. I don't want to spend the offseason worrying about the state of the Jaguars or how many non-premium tickets are left to sell, or if covering seats is embarrassing or if Stampede Blue calls out Wayne Weaver for opting out of the league mandated pension plan. I just don't care. No, this is a rebuilding year, and there's a good chance that ticket sales will lag, and some games won't be on TV.
But you know what, I know that the Jaguars are building a quality product. I know that the Jaguars, regardless of ticket numbers in 2009, are going to build a superior presence on the field that will attract ticket owners in the right way. I know that the Jaguars are secure in their medium-term future, and that the yearly ride around the media circus will end up in the same way.
Kickoff, opening day, the 2009 Jaguars take the field, and the team continues it's building toward something special.
So let's take a breather, if you can afford it, buy season tickets,if you can't, be sure to pick up a single game ticket or three, and remember that it's our house. Let's not fall into the trap of worrying ourselves half to death about ticket sales. Instead, let's figure out who the hell will make up our defensive secondary, let's see if Tony Pashos starts at right guard or if he'll get beat out by the rookie.
But I won't endlessly debate the ways the Jaguars could sell more tickets. It's something I just can't wrap my head around. There are only so many outrages I can muster up, this year, this time, it's all about what the Jaguars are building.
Call me what you will, but I'm out on the ticket debate.
-Chris
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call you what i will, huh? so tempting….
Anyhooo.. you are correct that worrying about certain things will not help anything at all… i stress over things that i can’t control, but i try not to… i think a lot of people are over analyzing way too many things that they can’t control about the Jaguars… so, what do we control?… we SUPPORT our team and it’s decisions… we try to get to as many games as we can… heck, if we can’t make it to a game, then go buy a Jaguars flag and drive it all over town… do something, do anything… but dont be too concerned over things that are way above our pay-grade….
Sean Jax Beach Bum
by cuffs007 on May 18, 2009 10:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Finally! He says with delight
The voice of Chris come home. I love your perspective and way with words.
I am planning to challenge this whole ticket sales debate myself, you can lounge by the pool. Of course, later, as OTA’s end and pre-season kicks up, we expect to hear from you loud and clear.
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by Tkopa on May 18, 2009 10:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
It is repeated every single year. As I wrote many times, I look very closely the Jaguars from 2004, and the case is always the same. I just wrote at the Hungarian message board about the issues,, and the whole Jaguars fans (all 3 besides me) hit the panic button, so I just explain them, that although there is worrying (because of the opponents are not travekling teams, plus there are less hot teams on the schedule like it was last year) things will be fine.The roots of the fanbase are slowly but growing, most of you all belong to a generation, who are grown up with the jaguars and not can buy (season)tickets on your own if you will. And as Chris pointed out, I think the Jaguars are before a bright future, so that will boost the ticketsales slowly as well. All we need is patience. from every side: fans, owners, players, media.the magic word for 2009 related for the Jaguars is patience. I just hope that everyone will understand and act related to this word this year(I know I’m optimistic on that one, media and others are live from controversy, no matter it is for real or not…)
by Zoltan from Budapest on May 18, 2009 11:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Challenge what?
Challenge that the most trusted source of Jaguars’ information (Vic Ketchman) admits dire straits ahead? That multiple blackouts loom? Challenge that the stadium is named like a softball park in Mandarin? Challenge that the Jaguars’ name keeps coming up as a team primed for relocation? Explain all you want fellas, but this isn’t a JRR Tolkien fantasy. This is a result of several years of lackluster ticket sales, spending mishaps and a highly coveted product being seduced by other highly coveted markets.
Explain all you want. Ignore all you want. But if people in Jacksonville don’t decide to get off the couch and sweat for a few hours, then this thing is gonna suck. Cities much bigger than Jacksonville with traditions thicker than tar have failed.
You. Your friends. Your family. Must buy tickets! There’s the solution. Does River City Rage even have season tickets? Who cares. Ignorance is not bliss. Having a professional football team in an otherwise hulking giant of a city is. And Jacksonville deserves it. But do its citizens appreciate the team? Do they care?
I guess we’ll find out. But the conspiracy route is foolish. The team is in danger. Fact.
The Teal and Black are comin' back!
by arthardie on May 19, 2009 2:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh and that's directed to Tkopa's upcoming "ticket sales debate" challenge.
Don’t mean to lemonade on the parade, but c’mon. The writing is on the wall. NOW IS THE REQUIRED TIME FOR MOVEMENT TO PROTECT THE FRANCHISE.
And yes, that was all caps.
The Teal and Black are comin' back!
by arthardie on May 19, 2009 2:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am with you on everything you said except...
Chris lives near me in South Florida, and neither one of us has season tickets, not because we wouldn’t spend our hard earned money on tickets, but because we physically can’t make it to all the home games.
I usually try to catch at least one preseason and one regular season home game a year, sometimes 2 if I can afford it and the drive.
We agree completely… I don’t understand Terry or Chris’ stance on this subject. I know we deal with it every year, but that doesn’t make it any less crucial. I hate it too, every fan does. We are a small market, that’s why our name gets thrown around to move every other week. It’s a fact of life. We can all help by trying to get to the BCC tailgate game. I may try to make a Game this year with Terry too. WE had a blast at the last tailgate. Hopefully more than 3 ppl will show up (Me, Chris, and Terry held down the fort last season).
-Collin
the Jags have a good stadium deal right now, but they need naming rights and tickets to be sold. If Jacksonville can’t get it’s act straight, then they will wake up one day to a newspaper headline: LA JAGS
My hope is that we way overperform this season. If we beat Indy out of the opening gate, we may sell out the first home game. If we win that, well, then the city will have hope and our ticket woes will be over…
Start out 0-2… we’re through, and we’ll be lucky if half of the home games are on Local TV.
Yeah, it is a bit of scare tactics. Yeah, the Jags aren’t going to leave before the season starts. Yeah, they suck. BUT, WE HAVE TO SUPPORT THEM REGARDLESS. PERIOD.
Yes, that was all caps… ;)
The End Is Nigh... www.infowars.com
by silencecs on May 19, 2009 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Naming rights
What’s the hold up on that? Are we asking too much? Surely someone wants the advertisement that comes with your name on the stadium. What about local mega-corps? CSX, or Budweiser…I don’t know. What about one of these mega-Churches? Could they do it? Or would it be a conflict of interest for a non-profit organization? I wear all Jag caps….
Hello, I'm Bob Barnes
by viator on May 19, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The biggest stumbling block is that the Jaguars are looking for a 10 year deal, and the two most serious offers, Acuvue and Toyota, were only five year deals
As for Budweiser or CSX, who knows.
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"-Bill Hicks
by FSBlueApocalypse on May 19, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh.
Give me five, right?! It sure beats a poke in the eye. Acuvue or Toyota would be cool.
Hello, I'm Bob Barnes
by viator on May 19, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
landshark lager...
headquartered and brewed in jacksonville….it’s only logical to go sponsor the dolphins stadium…fml
by jlana24 on May 19, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
I know, right? Oh well, at least it’s brewed here. Which means jobs for Jacksonville residents. Some company needs to step up. How about Bacardi? That’s cured and bottled here. Bacardi Stadium!
Hello, I'm Bob Barnes
by viator on May 19, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buffet and Ross
Buffet and Stephen Ross, the owner of the Dolphins, are long-time friends. That’s why that deal went down.
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by River City Rage on May 19, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One year deal, it/s the super bowl in miami too this season, that's a big reason too
The End Is Nigh... www.infowars.com
by silencecs on May 19, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Toyota
Toyota has been talking about doing a naming rights deal the problem is that the team wants a 10 year deal and Toyota is only willing to do a 5. Hopefully that can be straightened out
by jesusjagfan2009 on May 19, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting
where did you hear that?
Surreal to be Teal
by Surteal on May 20, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On 106.5 and through some inside sources
by jesusjagfan2009 on May 20, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you sure you didn't hear it from FSBlue?
About 10 comments up.
by SoCalStites on May 20, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also from him
Yes i did hear it from him too
by jesusjagfan2009 on May 20, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
The team has themselves to blame for ticket woes. Through out Del Rio’s term as head coach, bridges have been burned with fans. I know people who are still upset over how the situation with Brunell was treated. In addition, I know several who won’t go to games to see “thugs” play, as they put it.
However, for the core group of fans especially, this team proceeds to kick us square in the nuts right when things are looking up. 21-0 to Houston right after the win at Green Bay. 3 straight losses after whooping the Colts’ asses. 5-11 last year.
Wayne Weaver has to realize every night on the news you hear something like, “And the Publix wearhouse closed down on the Westside today, taking 800 jobs with it.” Combine that with how we did last year, and well, you have the situation we are in.
The NFL gave Jacksonville the team figuring it was going to become Atlanta II. That hasn’t happened, and it may never happen. The thing the Jaguars must do is build a consistent winner, and they’ll get their tickets sold.
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"-Bill Hicks
by FSBlueApocalypse on May 19, 2009 6:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Quality Control
I have said this in earlier posts. The Jags must put a quality product on the field to draw fans away from the TV and to the game. A lot of fans have gone and said they will not go again because it felt like more of a high school game then a pro game (the indy monday night game is a good example). Weaver must focus on putting a quality product out there . If he does then he will have no problem selling tickets and this discussion will stop. (Personally i am tired of hearing about this move to LA bullcrap find some other team to pick on like the lions or the rams)
by jesusjagfan2009 on May 19, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
How was the Indy Thursday Night Game a high school game? If anything, I thought that was one of the Jags’ best offensive games, if not the best, of the year. The defense had their lunch eaten, sure. But they did shut down the Colts run. Had Garrard seen Marcedes in the corner of the endzone with 13 seconds left, it would have been a different story…
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
by Bestjagfan on May 19, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry bout that
i am referring not only to the teams performance but to the whole atmosphere in general Corny halftime show.
by jesusjagfan2009 on May 19, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Agree There
The Halftime show was nothing to remember.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
by Bestjagfan on May 20, 2009 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of
visiting fans thought that the halftime and all that could have been done better. Stuff like that has to be dealt with if you are going to draw fans back
by jesusjagfan2009 on May 20, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly?
Lets get off the Wayne Weaver has to realize crap. This team has a 5-month payment plan for season ticket holders. We are the only team in the NFL that has a 5-month payment plan. We have some of the cheapest ticket prices and still the only way the stadium gets sold out is when the Monster Jam comes to town. So while some of you sit back and pretend that this just some cheap marketing trick, I can assure you it is not. This team has done everything possible to get people in to the stadium on Sundays. So please lets not blame it on the TEAM, the blame should rest on the people of Jacksonville. The people who use the excuse " i don’t want to see thugs play" or " i am upset how Brunell was treated". Those people, the people that don’t realize just how lucky this city is to have a team. They are the ones to blame, not the team.
by jags1981 on May 19, 2009 9:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What is to blame?
The city puts people in the stadium. It is the 21st best attended team. What more is there to do?
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by Tkopa on May 19, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This too shall pass
Jacksonville will persevere. If you can afford tickets, buy them. If not, and the game is a blackout…turn on your radio. Support the team in anyway you can. First and foremost, put food on your families’ tables. Why would we debate something we all agree on? We want success. We want a good national face. We’re taking heat on something that we can’t directly control. It will take a network of people buying in. It will take time. It will happen. Pointing a self-righteous finger at everyone else is foolish. Maybe we should start a charity that consists of raising money, buying tickets, and sending impoverished children to the game. That’s one way of taking a chunk out of the problem. If we focus on the problem instead of the solution we’ll get nowhere. If that’s your strategy you may as well run for congress…
Hello, I'm Bob Barnes
by viator on May 19, 2009 9:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
like that idea lets talk more on that one
by jesusjagfan2009 on May 19, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Congress
Or helping our team by helping our community?
Hello, I'm Bob Barnes
by viator on May 19, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
help the team
By helping the community
by jesusjagfan2009 on May 19, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
We should all put our heads together to find a solution. It’s the way of wisdom. Let the foolish put their heads together for a headbutt. Spinning your wheels will only dig a hole. We obviously have a lot of diggers in Jacksonville.
Hello, I'm Bob Barnes
by viator on May 19, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seedtime and harvest
As the word says “Give and it shall be given unto you”
by jesusjagfan2009 on May 19, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I know is what I saw last year was some of the funniest examples of a football team I have ever seen in my 35 years of life….I have seen more competitive and smarter play calling at high school levels….AND THAT IS A FACT!!!! And yes those are caps too!!!!!
With that said I honestly can say if the Jags ever leave Jacksonville it isn’t the fans fault it will be Wayne Weavers…..He hired everyone who hired everyone else to run this franchise…If he feels its not working like any other biz you fire then hire someone else…
Not to mention almost evey coach on our staff was fired from their previous job…
I said it before the Jags will be sold in 2012 just watch….
by kingsmasher on May 19, 2009 10:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure you
Would do better. Wayne has made enough money in his lifetime to own an NFL team. You clearly have not. The Jags aren’t going anywhere….or were you planning to buy them?
Hello, I'm Bob Barnes
by viator on May 19, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
I am a Jags fan from ct so all I know of ticket sales is what i hear from the media(mostly vic) and this site. Nothing against all of you Florida fans but I just want whats best for the team and if that means a move to a big market like LA, Im all for it. It seems like even when the jags are winning they still dont sell out. Like in Ask Vic today, “…when the Jaguars hosted the Texans with the playoffs on the line. Do you remember what the stadium looked like that day? The game was blacked out.”
by jags2732 on May 19, 2009 11:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LA
You notice they don’t have a team. Do you remember that teams have been in LA and left. There is a reason for that. Maybe you should think for yourself and not allow Vic to lead you like a lemming. Vic is starting to grate on my nerves.
Hello, I'm Bob Barnes
by viator on May 19, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Punctuation
Obviously not my point of strength. ??…Just pretend those are question marks at the end of my questions. Maybe I should move to LA, and learn to punctuate…or act. I could act like it’s ok for the Jags to leave Jacksonville.
Hello, I'm Bob Barnes
by viator on May 19, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the constant give and take with the ticket questions gets old with me to
But that’s probably 90% of his inbox so, it’s the same when nothing but weeks on end it would be Leftwich/Garrard questions.
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"-Bill Hicks
by FSBlueApocalypse on May 19, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LA
I can think for myself thanks. LA was just an Example of a bigger market. Notice the fact I said “big market LIKE LA” but maybe you were ready to just rip on me anyways :) My point was just that fact that if something is not working, then change it.
by jags2732 on May 19, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
I’m sorry. I meant no offense. But conceding defeat is not my way. Maybe you don’t mind going belly up, but I don’t go down without a fight. If you can’t figure out a math problem, are you going to change the problem to make finding the answer easier for you? Or will you find the answer to the original problem? It’s all about the will to persevere.
Hello, I'm Bob Barnes
by viator on May 19, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
touche
but i was thinking more of changing about how you are attempting the problem rather than the actual problem. As a wise man once said “Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” I was thinking to switch one of the variables(jax) to get to the answer(attendence)
by jags2732 on May 19, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly!
This is the first time that Jax has had a team. How many times has LA had a team? Or what? London?! Wow. I guess it is crazy to want to see the team stay in the city it was born in. Maybe the Jags could move to Connecticut. I’m sure the attendance would boom there.
I'm your huckleberry...
by viator on May 19, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop blaming the LA market
The fans always supported their teams and none of those teams left because of fan attendance. Each team left because of stadium issues. If the new stadium actually gets done then I guarantee the NFL will find success in L.A. Fortunately, I think that any team moves to L.A. it would be the Vikings. The city of Minnesota refuses to pay for a new stadium.
by SoCalStites on May 20, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
for that.
Even if it were true that we don’t come out to the games, could you blame us when it seems like team are in and out of here faster than Spoony can run his forty. Just like most places you need to give the area time to adopt the team.
I can also tell everyone that I often meet Ram and Raider fans.
by Ewdtrey on May 20, 2009 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've got no issue
With LA as a market, city, or community. I hope you all get a team. Just not the Jaguars. So…work on that stadium.
I'm your huckleberry...
by viator on May 20, 2009 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm.
Al Davis and the City of Oakland are going toe to toe over a new stadium shoot LA builds one the Raiders might come home hehe. PS i was reading about one that they are planning to build in the City of industry
by jesusjagfan2009 on May 20, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert Einstein said that.
That was his definition of insanity
The End Is Nigh... www.infowars.com
by silencecs on May 20, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'll be curious this year...
Attending sporting events has become a luxury – Plain and Simple. Blame it on the location JAX. I made it to one game last year from Atlanta. This year I will probably opt to see them one time in Nashville instead. Nothing against JAX, just economics.
Let’s see what happens to attendance in Detroit and St. Louis this year? Blame it on the players for demanding so much damn money. Move to LA. Pay $4,500 a month in rent and see who can afford to attend a game.
I’m sick of the black-out threat, the move threat, and the we’re broke threat. Quit threatening me as a fan! They’re all just greedy plain and simple.
by Jaghomer on May 19, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
L.A is logical but will it be proftiable
The Jags moving to LA looks like it would make sense but research the tax structure there and here and lets talk. Here you have fed tax and sales tax for items sold out there you have fed state local and sales tax…. ouch plus the increased cost of labor and utilities. hmm now does a move to LA sound good. plus LA’s population is going down while j-ville’s is going up
by jesusjagfan2009 on May 19, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If we
put a good product on the field, continue to court a new fan base and engage the new people moving to J-ville daily (some 40,000 to 50,000 + a year),keep costs down the Jags will be fine, we need to creative through also
by jesusjagfan2009 on May 19, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jacksonville's market
Weaver and whoever the new owner is must be patient. Jacksonville is one of those build and they will come markets. Jacksonville is about the 3rd fastest growing city in the country and the NFL knew that when they put a team here otherwise they would not have gone for it. Investments take time to produce a return and one thing that i learned from stock trading is that when you panic sell you get screwed in the long term. Yeah it looks good to move the team to LA but consider this J-ville will soon really soon (in about 10 years) have close to 2.2 million peeps living here maybe more. Now that is just about enough to fill that stadium with the Jags being one of the biggest bargains in the NFL. But he must have faith and stick it out
by jesusjagfan2009 on May 19, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
teal of dreams
great movie
Surreal to be Teal
by Surteal on May 20, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Inspiration
Maybe you should run for mayor. Let’s get Howdy Doody out of office.
I'm your huckleberry...
by viator on May 20, 2009 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
I agree with you on that one I am a moderate but Peyton with some of the decisions that he has been making has been making me go hmmm
by jesusjagfan2009 on May 20, 2009 9:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Somebody let me know when Vic
is off the “buy tickets” banter. It’s cheap and boring.
by Jaghomer on May 20, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have a great idea for how to stop it
Everyone buy tickets.
The end.
by MoveThoseChains on May 20, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
And if you have some already, buy another. Go Magic, btw.
I'm your huckleberry...
by viator on May 20, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Magic play tonight. They have a legit shot to beat out the Cavs in this series.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
by Bestjagfan on May 20, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope so
The Cavs have James. He is amazing.
I'm your huckleberry...
by viator on May 20, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Lebron is good. But we got Howard, and Hedo stepped up big time in game 7 last week.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
by Bestjagfan on May 20, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am going
I am going for a nuggets.magic match up in the finals would like to see Orlando get their first title. As for all this. National news needs to shut up with the whole deal of moving the team to LA cause it is going to hurt ticket sales. Come on who is going to invest in the team when the thought is in the back of their head that they could get up and move at any time(which for them to do that is going to be very hard)
by jesusjagfan2009 on May 20, 2009 6:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I Think
The Magic have a shot at a title. But first, gotta get past the Cavs.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
by Bestjagfan on May 20, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No no no no no....
The MAster of Panic is gonna flip out and lose his team when the Cavs go on one of there inevitable runs…. you have to be composed and know they are gonna do that no matter what… James is gonna get every call… you have to know that.
Weather the storm and shut down James for at least half the game, and you might have a shot…
Anyone see the Nuggets and Lakers game. A little bit of home cooking on the officiating at the end, and LA ended up winning a game they should have lost…
Go Billups!
I’m a Piston fan. So I gotta go for The Nuggets with Mr Big Shot at the helm!
The End Is Nigh... www.infowars.com
by silencecs on May 20, 2009 8:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Contain James, and you’ve got the game. The Cavs have a good team, but they rise and fall with Lebron. Dwight and Hedo just have to show up to play. I hope the Magic can pull it out.
The Nuggets-Lakers game was crap. Shows that NBA basketball is still a game with payed refs.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
by Bestjagfan on May 20, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there a sport that doesn't pay their refs?
by SoCalStites on May 22, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Word
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
by Bestjagfan on May 23, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, Pistons fan
No wonder you don’t like SVG. Did you watch Game 1? He was nice and calm on the sideline, prodding his team to victory. No panic there. Just coach-of-the-year quality coaching against a guy who only won that award because of Lebron.
by MoveThoseChains on May 22, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen Brother
SVG owns other coaches, including Michael Curry. :)
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
by Bestjagfan on May 22, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree on that...
Flip Saunders was 10 times the coach Michael Curry is….
Joe Dumars made his first GM mistake in a long time on the Billups/Iverson trade. Who throws a primadonna Superstar on the level of “The Answer”, at a rookie coach like Curry?!? Idiocy!
Billups was the soul of the squad, and Denver is going to the finals….
The End Is Nigh... www.infowars.com
by silencecs on May 23, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
Iverson is hard for any coach to deal with, especially a rookie one.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
by Bestjagfan on May 23, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worst Part of Year I agree!
Man oh man can’t wait to see Torry Holt show the Rams how dumm they were to let him go. He’s going to have a good year.
by fantasy-info on May 21, 2009 12:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's hope Freddy doesn't show us how dumb we were for releasing him.
The End Is Nigh... www.infowars.com
by silencecs on May 21, 2009 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope
He has a very good season, and perhaps can retire in the end of the year with a Superbowl champ ring on his finger!
by Zoltan from Budapest on May 21, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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