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Mike Lombardi on Why Vick Should Wear Teal.

NFP: Jaguars good fit for Vick

Quote: “The young have exalted notions, because they have not been humbled by life or learned its necessary limitations; moreover, their hopeful disposition makes them think themselves equal to great things – and that means having exalted notions. They would always rather do noble deeds than useful ones: Their lives are regulated more by moral feeling than by reasoning. … All their mistakes are in the direction of doing things excessively and vehemently. They overdo everything; they love too much, hate too much, and the same with everything else.”

– Aristotle

From Tony Dungy, writing for SI.com… I firmly believe Michael (Vick) deserves a second chance in life. I understand how appalling dog fighting is, and in no way do I condone it. But he was given a punishment that the court deemed appropriate, and now he exits prison having paid for that crime. It’s time to let him bounce back after that loss. If we are willing to forgive Michael and take an honest look at the person who is leaving that prison, we might be surprised at what we see. We might see a man who says “I’m sorry” with his actions and not just his words. We might see a man who wants to get back to his three children and stop the cycle of young people growing up without a father to help them. Least important, we might see him play football again. I’m not sure of the Michael Vick(notes) we would see on the field, but I believe we would see a very different person off the field. That’s what would be exciting to me.

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Photo Vick at his home in Hampton on Thursday. (Jason Hirschfeld/AP Photo)

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These words from Dungy are strong and powerful. He’s not a man to sugarcoat anything, and I’m confident that if Vick continues his relationship with Dungy, it will improve his chances of getting back in the league next year. If I were working for the Jacksonville Jaguars, I would pay very close attention to these words; I would monitor this situation closely every day.

Why is Jacksonville a good destination for Vick’s return? Let’s start with the football reasons.

Reason 1: Jacksonville needs a backup quarterback. Now, that’s not very complicated to determine. The Jags recently signed Todd Bouman(notes) to compete with Cleo Lemon(notes). Vick is better than both players, even after missing two years of football. He needs to come to a team where he can get his feet wet, integrate into the system as a backup, then, after the season, compete for a starting job.

Reason 2: Dirk Koetter, the Jacksonville offensive coordinator, spent most of his career coaching in college and was the head coach at Boise State. He knows how to blend a player into a system, which is critical in at that level. Koetter has an extensive background in offensive football that would allow him to utilize Vick’s skill set to the fullest. He is not labeled a pro offensive coach; he can bring different elements of the game into his offense.

The offense that benefits Vick is a non-traditional pro offense. I give Jim Mora huge props because when he was the head coach of the Atlanta Falcons, he sent his offensive staff to the University of West Virginia to learn the spread attack. Mora was searching for ways to make his offense Vick-compatible. The perfect offense for Vick is not completely the Wildcat, but it must have some elements; it’s not the West Virginia spread attack, but it must have some elements of that, too. And it’s not the West Coast, but it must have some of those elements.

Side note: When I was with the “Hotel” (Oakland Raiders) and first saw how Vick impacted the league with his style of play, I wrote a profile for a personnel department about dealing with the “Vick Factor.” Even though I was not working for a team that played Vick twice, I wanted to think like a team that would face him. You learn in the NFL by watching, observing and learning from other teams. Here are my notes:

1. Cannot draft, sign or bring anyone to camp on defense that cannot run. Before every signing, you must ask if the player can help us chase this person down. You play two games a year against this guy in perfect conditions. The weather and elements are not going to give you any help. Speed is your only solution to this problem.

2. Must lower your standards for speed in the secondary – especially at safety. Having a 4.7 safety is of no use when dealing with this player. Need to be diligent in demanding speed for the secondary. … Size/speed players will be your only answer to help solve this problem. The average size and speed of a safety in the league as a starter is 6-feet, 199 pounds, 4.53 40-yard dash. You are playing with two safeties that are well above the average speed.

3. Might want to consider playing a nickel defense all the time to deal with the speed. If you get beat with the running game, they will score only around 17-20 points, a manageable game – but it will force the ball out of his hands.

4. With their guards, you might want to consider playing all ends in the game to give you more speed. They will not be able to drive anyone off the ball no matter what personnel you play inside.

5. Might need to carry more linebackers next year, to think about a three-man line, thus allowing you to be able to play with more speed. Might want to create a package to deal with this team. A 3-4 defense does give you better athletic ability on the field, if the linebackers can run.

6. You will need more flexibility in your player core to ultimately help solve this problem. Design the scheme and then define the players that you need to fit the scheme, then go and get them. Do not worry about what you do not have; figure out what you need and then go and find it. With your ability to teach, once you identify the scheme solutions, you will find the players. It will make dealing with this player somewhat more manageable.

7. Need to keep a copy of all his runs on a reel, for the entire season, not just three games. Have a log of all runs, separated from when he goes left and when he goes right and when he attacks the middle.

8. Sign a practice squad player, college FA, or draft a player that has the size and the speed that would be similar to Vick. Even if the guy is a bad quarterback in college, and all the scouts hate him, get him so that he can give you some work in camp and during the season as to what it’s like to chase this guy. Every scout will claim it’s a wasted pick, but if it helps you get ready for Vick – it’s a great pick.

9. Need to bring in someone for the week to run the scout team. He must be practice squad available and he has the arm and athletic ability to create some problems for your defense. He is not Vick, but he would give a good look to simulate the speed of the game.

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Photo Mike Tice (Chris O’Meara/AP Photo)

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Reason 3: Having Mike Tice as the offensive line coach would help the Jags design an offensive protection scheme for Vick. Tice has been around players similar to Vick who are not classic pocket passers (Randall Cunningham) and has been able to find ways to make it work. Adaptable coaches on an offensive staff will benefit teams that want to find ways to utilize Vick. The Jags’ offensive staff features some very fine coaches who have been involved in college football most of their careers – quarterbacks coach Mike Shula, running backs coach Kennedy Pola and wide receivers coach Todd Monken. Having this background will help them to be adaptable in dealing with Vick.

Reason 4: If Vick is the backup, starter David Garrard(notes) will feel the pressure to improve his play. The Jags struggled in every area of offense last year, from dropped passes to converting third downs in the red zone (they finished 29th, averaging 27.3 percent). They struggled to score, struggled to make big plays and struggled to protect the passer.

Reason 5: The Maurice Jones-Drew(notes) factor. One of the most versatile players in the NFL, Jones-Drew can do it all in extremely well. But where he benefits a player like Vick is in the passing game. He can pass protect and he can catch the ball short or long and make big plays. In addition, his style of play spreads the field, making teams defend the width of the field. It’s when the width of the field is spread out that Vick becomes like a great point guard in the NBA penetrating into the paint.

Now, the off-the-field reasons:

Reason 1: The Jaguars are located in an area of the country that Vick is familiar with since Jacksonville is close to southern Georgia. He needs to go to a town where he can remain in the background, avoiding any potential for trouble. He would be close to Atlanta and Hampton, Va., which would allow him to do his civic obligations as he attempts to rebuild his career. He must not lose touch with his roots.

Reason 2: Jacksonville owner Wayne Weaver is in need of some national attention, although this might be negative attention. The Jags have had trouble selling out games in recent years, partly because of the economy and partly because of the team.

With each decision you make in the NFL, you must weigh the risk-reward factor.

From my chair, the reward for signing Vick far outweighs the risk for Jacksonville.

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Not going to happen

Weaver himself came out and said the Jaguars aren’t going to sign him

"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"-Bill Hicks

by FSBlueApocalypse on May 22, 2009 9:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

where did u see he said that???

because i havnt seen it, i mean i know its not going to happen, but i wanna see where weaver said its not going to happen

Brown Kid

by esierra44 on May 22, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had Mike and Mike on

One of the Sportscenter updates said something to the effect of “You can scratch Jacksonville off the list of teams that might sign Michael Vick. Jags owner Wayne Weaver has come out and said the club isn’t interested.”

"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"-Bill Hicks

by FSBlueApocalypse on May 22, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank God!!!!!

It is all over the place.

“The Atlanta Falcons have already said Vick won’t play for them again, and Jacksonville Jaguars owner Wayne Weaver said he wasn’t interested, either.”

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-fbn-vick-release,0,2150543.story

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/05/21/michael.vick.ap/index.html?eref=si_nfl

“If Vick is reinstated by Goodell, one team he won’t get a shot with is Jacksonville. Jaguars owner Wayne Weaver said Thursday that he is “not interested” in Vick."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4191857&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines

by Pickle on May 22, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we should get tebow and vick and have two quarterbacks on the field

we would sell out every home game and even begin to travel well to other teams stadiums…

ok seriously, well written but i disagree, thanks for sharing

Surreal to be Teal

by Surteal on May 22, 2009 10:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good Lord!

I read that and just about came unhinged. Hilarious!

Ignore the hype; look at the results.

by harperslaw on May 22, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Repeat

Elmer just put this same piece up yesterday. Man, you guys really are lusting after Vick. I’ve got two words as to why this will never happen: Gene Smith.
I grew up in the outskirts of Jville, I saw dog fights all the time…none of them organized, but fights none the less. It’s in an animals nature to establish dominance through violence. The punishment for losing is what makes Vick a bad guy. I say neuter the bastard. Having said that, I think he’s done his time and deserves to earn an income. Just not in Jacksonville. To think my money spent on tickets would help fill his wallet is unacceptable. You guys should put him on your fantasy team if you want him. Let’s not sour the reputation of our team anymore than what has been done by the turds that have been recently released. Oakland or DC seems about right for a guy like Vick. Turds belong in a toilet.

I'm your huckleberry...

by viator on May 22, 2009 10:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not lusting after vick...

just keeping BCC updated on any jags news bud

Thanks for the memories Fred, the #1 back on my roster

by Rufio904 on May 22, 2009 11:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am actually lusting at keeping Vic out of a teal uniform, does that count?

by Pickle on May 22, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Im over this "To take or not to take"

The Jaguars are a business. I dont know about you, but I watch football to see what the players can do on the field, not off. In fact I could care less what they do when they get home. I dont pay for season tickets to watch the Jaguars and then wonder what happens when the players leave the stadium, unless what they are doing directly affects their pro game play. Dog fighting is an evil thing. Disgusting. But Michael Vick served his time in a FEDERAL prison. After reading everything I have about uses for Vick, I cant help but say to myself “Why not?” Because he was involved in some criminal activity 2 years ago, for which he done time for? I call shenanigans….there is a good portion of solid ball players that have one time or another commited sort form or crime. Michael Vick was never and will never be a great QB. But you all know what kind of athlete he is…the kind of athlete that Bouman and Lemon definitly ARE NOT. I want to WIN GAMES. A lot of them. I want people to hear the Jaguars name and be scared. If Garrard goes down, no one will be scared. They will be laughing…

by Joshuamspr on May 22, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Honestly

I don’t see what the big deal is.

He fought and tortured dogs…so what.

Our own country tortures and humiliates humans….

by Slvrgun on May 22, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The dogs

Haven’t declared a religious war on us. Also, besides Snoopy, I’ve never seen a dog pilot an airplane.

I'm your huckleberry...

by viator on May 22, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In either case

It doesn’t make it right.

I'm your huckleberry...

by viator on May 22, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Snoopy and...

Brian Griffin flew a helicopter. Does that count?

And hey, nothing is quite as humiliating as pimp slapping your woman because she showed too much ankle. Politics aside however, lets hope Vick mania doesn’t sweep Jacksonville.

Ignore the hype; look at the results.

by harperslaw on May 22, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's right!

I forgot about Brian! It does count. Now Vick and I are both wondering…who would win: Snoopy or Brian?

I'm your huckleberry...

by viator on May 22, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you, though not for those exact reasons.

Either way, I don’t think he’s a good fit for Jax. He’s a play maker, but he’s too erratic, which doesn’t really work for a clock control offense like Jax.

by Kbot on May 22, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm

I see this situation as being caught between a rock in a hard place. On one side you have a guy with great athletic ability who did something stupid yes but everyone on here has done something that could have put you in the same predicament that he is in (the only difference is he got caught you didn’t) and honestly as harsh as it sounds dog fighting is not that serious compared to what some other players that have done and are still playing And you have the 64000 dollar question What happens if David goes down what do we do. Do you really think Cleo and Todd can get us to the playoffs hmm sorry but i don’t think so. So should Vick get a second chance and see heck yeah mercy always triumphs over judgment.,but it shouldn’t be here in J-ville
Why? Because Jacksonville is a family values city more so then a lot of other markets. Shoot back in 2004 a lot of fans boycotted the Jags and refused to go to games or by Jag stuff because Weaver gave money to Planned Parenthood. Gene Smith is smart enough to know this and to know that the people here will not pay to go see thugs on the field and having Vick on the team will give us neg PR with other animal rights groups in the area. All in All in will be a bad deal for ticket sales and for image and for those reasons Vick will not play here

by jesusjagfan2009 on May 22, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Paul Smith

Hasn’t proven anything. But I’d rather give the rook a shot over Vick. It’s not like we have high expectations for this season either way.

I'm your huckleberry...

by viator on May 22, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

But i think they can find a better deal on a backup then Vick

by jesusjagfan2009 on May 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want to see Vick play

But not here. Maybe somewhere like Miami, St. Louis, idk just somewhere.

by Slvrgun on May 22, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I do

I want him here. and I think whoever does grab him (as long as its for a decent price) will have the last laugh on the other 31 teams that passed on him citing his dogfighting experience. Two years from now Vick WILL be a playmaker. Fans in Jacksonville have a hard enough time showing up for games and youre telling me having Vick on the team will keep even more away. Thats bologna and you all know it.

by Joshuamspr on May 22, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At 32?

I think everyone in the world underestimates what two extra years and not playing does to a football career.

by jstnblke41 on May 22, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LIke stated earlyer

Jacksonville is a family values city and fans here want to take their kids to see people who are good standing in the community like burnell or bosilli were they will not pay to see troublemakers on the field

by jesusjagfan2009 on May 22, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Garbage

Thats a garbage comment. Matt Jones was using blow and people began to love him last season because he started to perform. I beg to differ on youre stance that people want to watch outstanding citizens play football. People want to watch explosive athletes who knock peoples heads off and run like lightning for 60 yards. People dont care if the dude goes to church…thats rediculous.

by Joshuamspr on May 22, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you wanted any return on a 1st rounder A.

B. Torry Holt is a family guy and has been welcomed warmly to the Jaguars, Boselli and burnell are examples of people who are good citizens and good players, i kinda am at 40% be ok w/ vick and 60& don’t really want cuz tebow next year >8]

"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"

by TheTealDeal on May 22, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tebow

I’d trust that guy with my newborn son. He’s a good man. Will he end up here? Let’s see how this year unfolds at Florida. He’s learning to take snaps under center. That gives me hope.

I'm your huckleberry...

by viator on May 22, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know

Less about the sentiment of this town than you do about spelling…if you believe that drivel.
Character counts right now. It’s the way it is. We’re sick of turds. Vick, Reggie, and Matt are all turds. You like turds? There are port-a-johns all over town. Have at…

I'm your huckleberry...

by viator on May 22, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

JVILLE aint no family values city. It’s one of the most violent cities in all of the US. Family values my ass.

by Slvrgun on May 26, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

I think it happens to be third, behind Baltimore and Detroit. Yeah, and we are climbing the ladder to be in second.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on May 26, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do a poll, wise guy.

Let the people speak. You think they want Vick? Put your money where your mouth is. The thugs don’t run things. The streets of Jacksonville aren’t pretty, I agree. It’s a shame. The only thing they gain is poverty and death. We should strive to educate them, not ask their opinion of how to run a football team.

I'm your huckleberry...

by viator on May 26, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

Only teenage girls should be using LOL. Even then, with shame.

I'm your huckleberry...

by viator on May 26, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The teenage girl in me likes the LOL though...

I will continue to use lol at my own disgression.

by jstnblke41 on May 26, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The kid in me

likes the frosted side.

I'm your huckleberry...

by viator on May 26, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Playmaker?

Do people realize that David Garrard had almost 4,000 total yards last season? Mike Vick has had, just after some quick math, about 3,500 total yards the last year he played. Also, his highest completion percentage was only 56%.

David had a “down” year, but his numbers passing were A LOT better than Vick’s career numbers. So what is everyone’s…well, some people’s…infatuation with Vick? His legs. The boy can run, I’ll give him that. So could Vince Young. I still believe that Vince Young is Mike Vick 2.0; amazing, talented athlete that once is figured out can be neutralized. Oh yeah, and in 2006 he had a whopping 2 rushing TDs. Yeah, the 1,000 yards rushing was good, but the Falcons had a losing season, and then the bottom fell out.

A team is not one player, and I feel this is one over rated player that should be passed on.

Ignore the hype; look at the results.

by harperslaw on May 22, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen.

Pass.

I'm your huckleberry...

by viator on May 22, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup.

Vick is basically the TB version of Garrard. Tailback, not tuberculosis.

by Kbot on May 22, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well if Madden '10 could give Vick a rating,

It probably be in the 70s area, so its not like we’re missing much

"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"

by TheTealDeal on May 24, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All I will admit about Vick is

he was THE MAN in Madden 05! It got to a point that me and my buddies had to ban the Falcons because we all abused Vick so much.

by jstnblke41 on May 25, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha we had the same rule

You could just run around in the backfield for as long as you wanted and eventually scramble for an 80 yard TD.

by SoCalStites on May 25, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same here, except i do it in practice mode over and over

"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"

by TheTealDeal on May 25, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha

Somewhat redundant, isn’t it?

I'm your huckleberry...

by viator on May 22, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whoops..

didn’t see it

Thanks for the memories Fred, the #1 back on my roster

by Rufio904 on May 22, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

VICK TO DUUUUUVVVVVAAAAALLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!

VICK TO DUUUUUVVVVVAAAAALLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!

I feel like the same way also Surteal……I mean Vick has done his time for the crime he commited… I mean alot of you all are acting as if he did not serve anytime at all for what he did and I dont see whats the problem with him wearing TEAL……I know we put alot on character and all, but the way you show true character is when you have made a mistake and fell to a low point in life then you get up and come out of it as a better person and rise to the top…..This man has been playing football since he was 5 yrs old. It wont take him long to get back into football shape…If Tony Dungy says that he is a changed man, being the person that Tony Dungy is, then I would trust that he is….I would take that chance on Micheal Vick and give him a second chance at his profession. I mean GOD gives us all chance after chance after chance, even though we sin everyday and he is the ultimate Judge……"ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE ME" Im saying if he can forgive us on a daily basis then we as people need to stop being so judgemental of others mistakes and be more helpful than critical……This is why the world is the it is, all the crime and stuff no peace……but anyway, I feel whoever take that chance will gain a whole lot in return…..and I can almost promise you that he will have more people to support than he will have against him…..I know it’s a longshot for him coming to Jacksonville but I would love to have him here and I think the majority of Jags feel the same……

by Elmer T on May 22, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I honestly don't give a shit about the dog fighting.

I just don’t think he’s that good, nor is he a good fit for the Jags.

by Kbot on May 22, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look above this JESUS JAG FAN

only because you have JESUS in your name……

by Elmer T on May 22, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And your point is what?

You talking down on my Jesus?!?

"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"

by TheTealDeal on May 22, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the bright side its not raining,

and if jags HAD to sign him, i be 60% ok with it as long as it wasnt big money, like 1 yr contract, he HAS doe his time, but only more time will tell

"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"

by TheTealDeal on May 22, 2009 6:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

90%

Id be 90% as long as he received a contract based on incentives. I want him…although Im 100% certain we wont grad him (So Viator no need to insert comment questioning if i know about Gene Smith) but I would take him in a heartbeat. So much upside. i dont want him to replace Garrard. I love Garrard. But as a backup athlete/playmaker…he will be…somewhere.

by Joshuamspr on May 22, 2009 7:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hah!

Sorry, man. It just doesn’t compute with me. No comprende. Plus, I’m super bored. I had my wisdom teeth pulled, and it’s been raining…and I hate TV, besides football. So I’m spending way too much time online. At least there is a Magic game tonight.

I'm your huckleberry...

by viator on May 22, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

'I hate TV'

Thats totally un-american =P

"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"

by TheTealDeal on May 24, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ehhh

Wayne Weaver is such a dick to say we’re not interested in Vick, at least let the fans have something to pray for

by JaxJagsRep on May 24, 2009 6:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm curious

why everyone has such a fascination with someone that plays a position we currently have a lot of money tied up too and also hasn’t played the game in 2 years? Did you all get invites to his prison workout or something?

by jstnblke41 on May 24, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

They just hate dogs too. Some people are cat people. big cat people…

I'm your huckleberry...

by viator on May 25, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It came with a monogram, jst

"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"

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