Consistent Inconsistency: Why the Jaguars haven’t sustained success
by silencecs on May 5, 2009 3:09 PM EDT
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One word… Character, or lack thereof. Previous incarnations of the Jacksonville Jaguars haven’t been consistent in their play from year to year, despite very little turnover in players during the off-season. This is due to both poor first round selections, and signing big name players with all the talent in the world, but no real heart. Jerry Porter and Drayton Florence were unmitigated disasters that cost us 16 million in guaranteed money, for what amounted to a nickel corner back and 11 catches. This lack of production out of free agents is reminiscent of the old era of Jaguar football. No longer do we have to wonder if the player we got was the player we thought.
Torry Holt, Sean Considine, and Tra Thomas are all legit players in this league. However, they still must prove themselves on the field in order to reach the maximum dollar amounts of their incentive laden contracts. Tra Thomas has said in the past that he wants continue to play for another 5 years or so. The Jaguars inked the 35 year-old tackle to a three year deal during the off-season, and he’ll have to start to reach his incentives.
This should make for an interesting camp battle between Thomas and Monroe. I said before the draft that I thought Monroe was the best OT in the draft. In my view, he’s got all the tools to be successful; he’s an accomplished pass protector, he’s got long arms, his size is ideal, and he has a quick recovery step, a strong punch, and is a heady player. Monroe is clearly more ready to run block than Jason Smith, and I thought there was virtually no chance he would fall to us at #8.
When Monroe was sitting there for the Jags at number 8, I almost fell out of my chair. The choice was obvious, BAP means BAP. Gone were the days of scouting only players that fit our team’s need for that particular season. We now choose the best player available, something I am confidant will continue for years to come under Emperor Gene. The fact that this draft class is filled with leaders bodes well for the future of the franchise.
We lost our stalwart RB and de facto leader in Freddy T recently, something that plucked at the heartstrings of every Jaguar fan. However, when we examine the players selected in the 2009 draft, we find men of character and leadership, ready to step in and improve the chemistry of a locker-room decimated by drug addled me-first mentalites. Looking at the 2009 Jaguars, we see men who put their families first, men who graduated in less than 4 years, men who were voted as team leaders on their college squads, and men who LOVE to play the game of football.
We find the same when we examine the players signed in free agency this year as well. Tra and Torry are both proven leaders whose effort on the field is as consistent as their behavior off it. We even notice a difference in how the front office approaches free agency. Gone are the days jumping the gun to offer players big time guaranteed money just to keep them from visiting other teams. Torry was allowed to leave, but he chose to come back to the Jags and sign. Shack wouldn’t have allowed this to occur. He was a man who targeted players in both the draft and free agency, and got those players come hell or high water. Gene is a different kind of leader, and such behavior will not be seen from him, I guarantee it.
Welcome to the third era of Jaguars football, an era that will be marked by leadership, frugality, and a team-first mentality. Say good-bye to being consistently… inconsistent.
-Collin Streetman
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Preach on!
I agree 100%. Gene is the best thing that has happened to this team in a long time. And it’s even better that he’s one of ours. We didn’t go out and get him, he was here already, a product of BLESTO. I’m completely on board with the direction that he is taking this team. As Vic says, “The way things are being done now is the way I’ve wanted things to be done from the beginning. Build through the draft, patch in cheap free agency and draft the best available players.” This IS the way it’s supposed to be done and Gene will not waiver away from his beliefs. We may have another season or two of rebuilding or we may not. To me, I’m happy either way because I know that my team is in good hands and we’re building for the future. I didn’t feel that way when Shack was here. Thanks for the post!
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Good article. Hopefully we stay injury-free this year with the new strength training. No injuries will help us stay consistent as well.
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To the stronger or faster man;
But soon or late the man who wins
Is the one who thinks he can.
Thats my biggest worries
God I hope we stay injury free. I wanna see the best players on this team ready go for the first game.
So does this mean we can finally beat the Houston Texans twice a year?
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Good summary...
… of one of the reasons I’m optimistic for the future of the Jags franchise. Not only did we get some serious talent (at positions of need too!) but we improved the character/leadership of the team as an added bonus. There are still holes to fill, and they will probably only happen in future drafts, but the guys we got now should have a positive effect for years to come.
good article
i agree with the assestment of the future of the jaguars. they are being built the right way, through character. skills will make plays no doubt about it, but heart goes so much further. the players with heart will give their all every play, everyday and that will help everyone on the team. btw just a side note on strenght and conditioning…i have a friend who goes to school at fordham and plays for the soccer team and worked out with the strength and conditioning coach(jason george) all the time and now the coach is part of the new jaguars staff. thought it was cool
Can you see if he's up for an interview... I know the readers would love it!
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"we find a dearth of character"
Dearth means lack. I don’t think that’s what you meant to say about the character of the draft class. That just stuck out for me, but other than that, I thought this article makes a good point and makes me excited for the future of Jaguars football.
Wow... you are right... I wrote this in 20 mins between grad classes, so I guess I should've proofread better... Thanks for calling me out.
I prefer that over my work sitting there with a mistake…
-Collin
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This was a very good article
I really appreciate the way you structured your thoughts and phrases.
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Good Post
I have liked the moves that Gene has made so far. The only reservation I have so far is his two 3rd round draft picks – especially giving up a 2nd round pick in next year’s draft (Cox had better be a stud among studs). We’ll have to wait and see how they pan out.
Other than that, I have liked his draft and his personnel moves. He cleaned house where it was needed. Blowing up the worst WR corp in the league was a particular favorite of mine.
I’m delighted to see us move in the direction of high character players – This should quiet Jason Whitlock somewhat about Jags. I’m a big believer that high charcater players positively impact the team in every way.
I do not totally subscribe that Gene is exclusively BAP however. I think it’s more of a hybrid approach – I call it targeted BAP. For example, our 2nd round pick was Britten – who was O-line BAP. The true BAP was Everette Brown at that spot. SO Gene does address critical needs. O-Line was THE critical need this year (and more work remains – we still need a center in the near future). We addressed DE in last year’s draft – couple that with the OL need, I beleive that’s why Britten was selected over Brown. Selecting Britten also allowed us to address the upgrade need at RG (Pathos move). So the Britten pick actually addresses 2 positions of need as opposed to just 1.
I was thinking the oppisite... I thought that Britton must've been the BAP bc we had already picked up two new tackles in prior to his selection
Thomas and Monroe were already Jags, so by picking Britton, he didn’t address any need at all necessarily. He must’ve been the BAP. at that spot.
I am skeptical as to where Knighton or Cox were BAP though. We are in complete agreement about trading a 2 and a 7 for a 3 this year… that doesn’t make sense to me. Watch out for next year when there is a guy right at the spot we want in the second… and we can’t take him. If Cox doesn’t work out, he will be the first clear mistake of the Gene SMither Era.
-Collin
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I agree with both of you on the fact that we shuttled our 2nd rounder to NE
I still think it was a bad move, but I gotta tell you something else too….it was gutsy. Gene Smith had already put his stamp on this draft with the first and second rounds, but he wasn’t afraid to make the trade even though he knew he’d take alot of flak for it. That’s a true sign of a leader, my friends. When you make an unpopular and controversial decision, because you really believe its in the best interests of who you’re working for. If Cox starts this season, I think it will have been worth it. I’ve come around a little I guess, I don’t know.
What do you normally expect out of a 2nd round player?
That he’ll be a solid starter after a year or two. If Cox becomes a good starter in 2010 I’ll be fine with the pick. The guy doesn’t need to be a superstar for this to be a good move. You’re paying your 2nd round pick 3rd round money and getting him a year early.
by TheHammerOfSpicer on May 5, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't say I expect him to be a superstar nor did I insenuate
But with a need at CB, he has a good chance to start. Reggie Nelson started as a rookie right? Right. I’m not asking a whole lot here. If he plays well, he will start, and I’ll be satisfied. I didn’t say I expected him to get xx amount of picks or play shutdown. He’s going to get beat deep more than likely as a rookie and it won’t be just once. Maybe not. Who knows. If the guy is a star, then great. Not my expectation. I expect a contribution as a starter in 09. Not too much to ask since Nelson did it as a rookie, and he’s not a star.
The second round pick wasn't for Cox
It was because of Knighton. If they hadn’t taken him, they could have had Cox for free.
Knighton is one who has to perform. Cox performing on his own doesn’t justify it, both have to come through.
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If that were the case
then they would have taken Cox first, right? I agree both have to perform, but Cox is the guy they got with the Patriots pick because of the trade.
Think it through
They take Knighton. Then they get on the phone and trade a second for Cox. What is it they wanted? They wanted both players, Knighton and Cox right then right now. So who did they trade for? Knighton? – No, they had him. Cox? – No, they could have had him instead of Knighton. They traded the pick to get both.
To say we traded a second next year to get Cox isn’t truthful. They had Cox for free one pick earlier and passed on him. They passed on the guy themselves and then traded to get him. They were in competition with themselves. The only explaination is because they wanted both guys and now both have to perform to make the pick worth it.
I still hate it. I think Knighton is nothing but a big load of body. I don’t know if he will amount to anything.
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he had some good spins in his video. I remember one play where he threw the center to the side and went up the field on the opposite side to make the play
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I might be wrong about him
I just can’t believe we will go 6 for 7 on draft selections.
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I know what you're saying Terry
But, it can be viewed by either angle. Either way, you’re right, the Jags wanted both guys. They were desperate because they only had one DT left on the board whom they felt like had starting ability. But they really wanted Cox. So, they made the trade. I get it.
However, I don’t think Knighton is going to be an impact player this season. I think he’ll be our weakness on the DL. I hope I’m wrong, but if there’s a draft pick that doesn’t pan out, it’s going to be him. That’s my guess. Nothing about him stands out to me when I watch his video. I think he has heavy feet. I don’t see enough explosion. He’s a big body which should help with stopping the run, but I don’t see anything dynamic about him. Knighton is my least favorite draft choice in the entire draft.
He seems like a developmental project more than anything, and that’s cool….but we having glaring weaknesses at the DT spot. I hope Rob Meier can step up his game or Derek Landri can come through so we don’t have to rely on and put so much pressure on this new kid.
He's not a flashy guy
but he will be consistent. He wont push the pocket on every down, but he throws in some change ups every once in a while and he usually makes the most of it. he’s also good at reading screens and he’s good at moving down the line. He also has great lateral strength, not allowing guards/centers to make lanes, for running backs or for passing. If you like Ron Brace, Knighton is a much more athletic version of him that’s taller and has longer arms. And he was drafted nearly a whole round lower.
Here’s a random prediction, I think he will either cause or make an interception next year, because he’s got an uncanny ability, for a guy his height, to get his hands on passes.
If anyone doesn’t have an impact on this team THIS year, I think it’s gonna be Tiquan Underwood.
Really???
Tiquan Underwood? Is that prediction because of his prototypical size? I think he’ll be a practice squad guy.
We have some good depth
in front of him. He’s going to have to really work if he wants to get on the active roster as a late 7th rounder.
Well The Money
Factor doesn’t really matter. A second round pick typically makes around the same rookie money as a third rounder does.
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How do you know Brown was the BAP?
I’m not sure if he was or not. All we can really tell is that Britten was the BAP according to Gene’s board. Everyone else’s opinion on who should have been taken is rendered moot when considering it was Gene’s board and not anyone else’s.
Collin, you make a great point about the fact that we already had 2 others on board, and to pick up a 3rd OT suggests BAP.
Yea, how does he know?
The team has said they had Britton pegged as a first round talent. So if you can get a first round talent (Britton) in the second round not only is that BAP it’s great value.
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yeah, and Vic admitted
that a source told him the Jags only went away from BAP when they got Underwood.
Interesting point - my counter point would be that
Thomas’ (and Holt) better playing days are behind them. The last thing this team needed was “long in the tooth” players. It’s a great move however, becuase both are all pro, high character players who are in an excellent positon to mentor and help develop the “youth movement” which was so badly needed on this team. I also maintain that the O-Line was in SERIOUS need of upgrades and replacements. Assuming Manuwai returns to pre injury form, I beleive that the other 4 positions were / are in need of upgrade. I had to think about it awhile, but realizing that the team has 2 – 3 years of rebuild, I like the Britten pick.
Brown is who I had as my BAP at that spot. If Gene was going BAP all the way and he says Britten was his BAP – then I accept that. It’s just a difference of opinion and he certainly is more in the know than I.
by OGN on May 5, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn’t BAP based off the boards? Yes.
How are the boards composed? They rank the talent in the draft in a specific order. The order is based off of who is the best player at the top and the worst player at the bottom.
Who determines the best and the worst players? The teams front office, which consists of scouts, the gm, the head coach (sometimes) and possibly the owner as is the Raiders case..
So, can teams boards be different? Yes.
So BAP ranges from team to team, why is that? Because teams can see different things in different players, also because teams arrange their boards to how they fit their own team.
BAP only goes so far. The purest form does not exist. No team would take a QB in each of the first two rounds. Could you imagine how fun the coverage of the Lions wouldve been if they wouldve taken Freeman at 20?
Teams that do BAP, do it based off their board. The board reflects team needs.
How is that different than needs drafting? Well needs drafting is what the Panthers did on Draft Saturday. They traded a future first for a DE in the 2nd this year. They have a need because of Julius Peppers still refusing to sign the franchise tag. If he holds out this year, they need a speed rusher.
I just interviewed myself. Is this a problem Collin?
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I wouldn't call what the Panthers did need drafting
Everette Brown could easily get 8-9 sacks just being a DPR as he transitions into his rookie year. They saw a guy with first round talent still sitting there and decided to in essence make their 2010 first round pick a year early.
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by Jonathan Loesche on May 5, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
if peppers was under contract for the next three years, would they have done it
I don’t think so, maybe i’m wrong but the first next season is a lot to give up. If they have a great season and brown breaks out as a rookie, well maybe you got value.
Detroit also need drafted for a QB. I still think that Monroe or Curry or A. Smith were the best value, and with cheaper contracts to boot.
That said, i personally like Brown, but they got nervous. I still wonder what Mayock disliked. There was an NFL.com draft and Dukes took Brown somewhere in the 20s and Mayock said something like “oh, theres our first 2 in the first…”
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Good subject for Collins new column.
Why is the franchise tag a bad thing. It’s alot of money. Your getting paid with the leagues best.
BTW, about 45 mins ago, I sliced a chunk off of my finger at work. So expect typos for a day or two.
Also, I don’t think Al Davis has a value board. I think he just goes with the popular opinion for the Raiders picks in online mock drafts.
Well
there are a lot of risks as player getting a franchise tag. If they franchise you and you don’t perform well that year for whatever reason you could lose out on a lot of money in your next contract.
So what. Then just perform.
It’s what got you the franchise tag to begin with, right? Shouldn’t be a big deal.
I know man
I just think they should be more grateful and just play. They make enough. Quit being greedy and get on the damn field. That’s my take.
It was another great piece
I have no arguing here. i just feel good about it!
by Zoltan from Budapest on May 5, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions
most of your article is true but why does your head coach get a free pass when the season turns sour who I think is as guilty of failing as blaming the bad seed players and shack. first it was shack, then it was the players, then its some assistants but its never your coach. I think the main reason more than thug players was your coach was letting the inmates run the asylum. I give you credit for clearing out the bad but the coach needs to be at least mentioned as part of the problem because you are in denial if you think he has nothing to do with it
I hate the Colts and want them stomped into the ground
but I agree with this point.
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I disagree
What can a coach really do in the offseason? What can he threaten the players with if they are acting up? He wasn’t the GM. If he got bad apples he had to deal with them the best he could.
His one tool he could use during the season was playing time. Well he did used it. How many times did we see Matt Jones on the sidelines as a healthy scratch. Or even Mike Peterson last year. There’s only so many players you can keep out and still keep the train rolling.
The thing is dude
in 2007, the team was so successful because of the great team chemistry. The older vets were the leaders and the young guys followed. It was a team first atmosphere. Del Rio is a players coach. When the 08 season rolled around, he wanted that chemistry to roll over into the next season. But when they started handing out checks to guys like Porter and Florence and they sucked, and then guys who were stepping up and giving their best and they’re getting paid the league minimum, it hurt the chemistry. Then you had guys running off at the mouth in the locker room, snorting coke, getting into trouble….the chemistry was gone before it was even identifiable. I’m sure Jack did his best. He gave them the same leeway as the year before but the team took it and handled it differently. The chemistry won’t be an issue this year, and believe me when I say chemistry is hugely important in team sports.
example no.1 the preseason….you can blame matt jones all you want but the jags were way out of it before he served his suspension. the fact that jack had the team went bowling and to the movies while cutting the preseason short AND thinking their writeups of a superbowl team by peter king and his media cronies would just evolve without hard work. and dont give me the offensive line injuries excuse. the colts line was decemated as well as their no.1 guy, peyton manning missing the entire preseason and probably should have missed 3 or 4 games instead they won 12 games. and if this injury happened to most qbs their season would have been tanked before it started
no. 2
mike peterson. how del rio handled this….proclaiming he is done, out of here, wont play another down for the jags because he spoke up for what he thought was what jack didnt want to hear…him losing the team and making him a scapegoat…..and then one game later after the proclaimation puts him in like nothing happen. this was all over jax for a week and half and then bam, his big stand was more like the big fall
i know you dont want to hear this but fans from other teams are mostly afraid if del rio gets fired and they bring somebody in who can actually coach they might have that superbowl team peter king and his cronies claim year in and year.
inconsistent is jacks middle name
About Mike Peterson
He didn’t say Mike wasn’t going to play another down. Get your facts straight. It was a one game suspension.
BTW to use someone as a scapegoat, you have blame them for something. JDR didn’t once say it’s my players’ fault.
it's been rumored
that Peterson was running off at the mouth to everybody about he wanted to get payed. He deserved his money more than these other new guys like Florence and Porter. He was pulling the “unfair” card. It’s a business. He needs to be an adult. Del Rio is his boss. Do you ever start running off at the mouth and calling your boss out? No, you’d probably get fired right? Well, in essence, Peterson got fired. He was one of the main guys causing a stir in the locker room. Yeah he was popular with the players, and I like his play alot. But you don’t cry about the money you’re making.
I’m sick of these guys acting like they make minimum wage. Let your play speak for itself.
why was maurice jones drew allowed to make somewhat inappropriate and thuggy (the mile high salute antics were looked upon as huge disrespect antics and he had done many others) celebrations after he scores a td yet mike peterson cant celebrate after a sack?
inconsistent!
I think the difference is the situation
MJD scored to put the Jaguars in the lead early in the season. The season was still on track to have possible success and he actually helped the Jaguars to take the lead. As for the celebration, I’d hardly consider it “thuggy.”
The Mike Pete celebration happened when the Jaguars were down 21-3 to the freakin Bengals. He got up and flexed after he barely even made the play. The quarterback just tripped. The season was in a bad downward spiral and he wasn’t making us look any better.
BTW you may
want to get off your high horse, especially after your-alls resigning of pot-smoking Ed Johnson.
On a different note
all I want to do is revisit that 44-17 ass wupping we gave you Indiancrapolis Dolts in 06. Just give me a win in opening week, Jack. That’ll send you back to your Stampede Blue Crew.
and maybe the most inconsistent thing of all….
signing 2 older vets(justifying the teaching part and the fact that this was going to be addressed in the draft) yet not signing their face of the team, even though he wanted to stay and take a paycut. fred taylor who welcomed and basically mentored MJD, after if the pats win the superbowl with fred, jax could look quite silly with this move…ummmmmm Im questioning if the inconsistent is still not very much a problem
Johnny Unitas was the face of the Colts
Till he disowned them for the underhanded move to indianapolis.
Seriously, faces of franchises change over time. It is all part of the process.
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the signing of vets were on cheap, incentive based contracts
these signing allowed the team to stick with BAP and not feel stuck drafting any one position high in the draft
Yes, Fred is missed. But so is Marvin
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i was trying to make it relatable
Fred is our Peyton, hes just more larger than life than peyton
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By the way
Am I the only noticing the traffic of comments on here has gone down considerably as of late?
It's kinda something to be expected
In the days coming up to the draft everyone wanted to know who the guys were going to be and it was an exciting time. Then right after the draft everyone wanted to get to know the newest Jaguars. Now there’s nothing really happening besides minicamp and OTAs.
I'm just running
out of things to say, anything worth while anyhow. I wish there was more for me to digest though. I wish I could get my hands on some game tape.
me too
i have nothing left to do but comment on comments
i wanted to write an article yesterday…..i had no inspiration so i gave up
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i guess either im no good
or i assume people know everything i know
haha, or ive gotten old and cranky
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Well
You’re a good writer man. You bust out some good stuff to read. I write much better when I’m inspired or I know exactly what I want to write about. But, I still write decent enough when I don’t. At this point, I’m not going for quality. I’m going to go for random thoughts, etc. I love to write, and everyone here loves to read on the team, so I’ll keep writing crap. It may very well just be crap though.
Also, people might already know everything you know. But, at the same time, I usually know everything most sports writers write about too. It would still generate discussion, hopefully. This site’s been dead. Maybe if there’s more to read, people will come back.
You should just pick up
all of Vic’s slack. I’m sure there are plenty of questions left over for you to answer and start your own column.
I Agree
This sites been dead. Ain’t nobody comments anymore or something.
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there really is only about 8 people with consistent commentary
man, week 1 is so far away
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That's rediculous
There are 8 out of the last 15 fanposts were done by different people. There are alot of comments made by lots of people in my opinion. there is like 15 different people commenting on this article alone.
Week one is a ways away though. Time to start the fun articles… Coach and player Bio’s, my personal favorite… VERSUS articles that Chris and I usually do for the major camp battle(s). This site has a boomin off-season.
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Nah, my writing is crap most of the time
But, it is what it is. When I get some quality education under my belt, it’ll get alot better. I have like 43 credits right now, most of them coming from military training and CLEPs. I’m going today to meet with an advisor from UA (University of Arizona), so I’m pretty excited. With my military background and the new MGI Bill, not only is my entire tuition paid for, but they’ll give me about 1,200 dollars a month to pay my rent. Since my rent is only 900, I get to pocket the rest. So…..I’m excited about going to school and the fact it pretty much bumps my salary up another 24,000 dollars a year. Getting paid to learn. And then I can also say I graduated from the same college as Britton and Thomas, right?
We got two guys from Arizona for the Jags
Britton and Thomas… Did you ever see either play on local TV or something?
Dirk Koetter came from there too if I’m not mistaken.
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Koetter
was the coach at Arizona State. ASU is in Phoenix. U of A is in Tucson, which both are about an hour and a half or so from each other.
As for Britton and Thomas, I never saw either play, because I’m not a fan of any of the Arizona teams. If i start going to U of A though, I’m sure I’ll be catching the games. It’ll grow on me.
SoCal would be the one to ask on the U of A questions though since he follows them and he used to live in Tucson if I remember correctly.
Yeah that's right
I used to live a block away from U of A. I’m definitely not a fan of the scum devils.
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