Falling Star: Why the Jaguars should trade "The Big Lazy"

We see again today that John Henderson has missed a second consectutive OTA practice due to "Injury". Jack Del RIo is not happy, and said as much in an interview when asked about the DT.
John has a shoulder, that, back when I played, nobody would've missed a snap. Lombardi might be rolling over (in his grave). It's disappointing to see him pull himself out.
Excuse me, but what is going on with Big John Lazy John. The last two seasons he has had constant issues with staying on the practice field, and it has shown to have detrimental effects in games with dwindling production. John is not the same as he was in 2006 and 2007. He's not a star anymore, he's just not, so stop it. Now, It appears he's drawn the focus of his coach, who doesn't think he's even going to be a team leader anymore.
Gene Smith needs to pull the trigger on a trade deal to send this malcontent to another squad. I don't care where, all I know is that I would take a 3, or a 4 and a 6 for the cat. His trade value will be higher now that the draft is over because teams would get Henderson's services for the entire year before the Jags get to use their picks. Like trading a 3 this year, for a two next, trading John now would allow us to recoup greater overall value for the former standout DT.
I know some of you are saying, "But, he lets people hit him before the game", well, he's not a star anymore, and he's not a leader either. We have a new DT, and we don't want him to learn bad habits. Big John Lazy John should be leading our defense, instead, he's a leech on the Jaguar's pocketbook who hasn't produced in years, and is living off the past. I say let's cut bait and trade the chronic under-performer while he still has value. After next season, he'll be a year older, and still missing practices... I've been in favor of trading John for literally months now, I think this latest incident may give Gene the impetus to pick up the phone and see what kind of garage sale deal he can swing for the aging, overpaid veteran.
What say you? Give him yet another year, or cut bait now?
-Collin Streetman
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The most disappointing thing about it for me
Is the fact that the Jaguars have allowed it to go this far. The longer they allow Henderson to look bad at their OTAs, the lower his trade value gets. He should’ve been gone on draft day. I would’ve been much happier if they traded Big John for a 3rd rounder in this year’s draft to get Derek Cox rather than waste next year’s 2nd rounder. That would have been essentially trading Hen for a 2nd rounder, which has no shot at happening anymore.
by SoCalStites on Jun 2, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was so wanting Massaquoi, Wr from Georgia,
another draft pick and well could of gotten him =(. But we got 3 other great rookies so i’m over it.
Also i feel mixed because i don’t want to screw the d line up anymore than we have to but i also hear that there’ll be DT talent next year and look forward to that. So i would put a mixed option on the poll cause i’m a on the fence atm.
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by TheTealDeal on Jun 2, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I was pulling for Big John, hoping that he would be the kind of player he was a couple of seasons ago, but now, with this past “injury” keeping him out of practice, is changing my mind. Del Rio is unhappy with him and I say for Gene to trade him and let some new beef control the line.
by ajagsbeliever on Jun 2, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We should have done it before the draft
Like I’ve said before. We should trade John and maybe a 5th for Glenn Dorsey.
John always seems to get hurt. Even when he starts sometimes, he’s doing it at half mast. And if you pay attention to him when he’s hurt, he’s not very effective at all.
Also when I’ve been watching him these last couple of years, he just hasn’t looked the same. And I know it coincided with Stroud leaving, but it’s not because of the counterpart loss. ( It’s a spurious correlation.)
by Ewdtrey on Jun 2, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Would the Chiefs want John?
The reason they need to get rid of Dorsey is because he’s a 4-3 tackle who wont work in their new 3-4 system. I don’t see how Henderson would work any better than Dorsey.
by SoCalStites on Jun 2, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Henderson could make a great 3-4 end to pair with Tyson Jackson if he lost about 15 lbs. He has good speed and great range for the position. This way he doesn’t have to be as physical, part of his problem recently.
He could also rotate in at NT on passing downs or even run downs occasionally.
by Ewdtrey on Jun 2, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Last Season
He was two gapping a lot of the time, something that defines a 3-4. I agree, end would be a great incentive for the Chiefs. I don’t know if they would give up a fifth though. I wonder if the Jags could talk them into a straight up swap: Henderson for Dorsey
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
by Bestjagfan on Jun 2, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand
your point Chris. Totally. And my mind says, “trade him”. But my heart says, give him a last chance. Wait until trainng camp. If he still not shows any good signs, then try to trade him somehow.
But right now (and I mean NOW, at this point) I’m not ready yet to say100% “Trade him”.
by Zoltan from Budapest on Jun 2, 2009 2:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry bud, it's your friendly neighborhood Asso. Editor
Collin, not chris…
I know our superior writing styles are difficult to tell apart, so I’ll cut you some slack. I would like to hear Chris’ viewpoint on this issue though. We usually are on the same wavelength, and I would like to know his viewpoint on John…
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by silencecs on Jun 2, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, from this point forward... I will no longer call him BIG JOHN... Instead, I dub him...
LAZY JOHN HENDERSON
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by silencecs on Jun 2, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Collin
I was in a hury, I just checkled the news. made my comment and runed to a meeeting.
Now it seems I not just mystype….
by Zoltan from Budapest on Jun 2, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DAMN YOU MISTYPES!!!!!
(cursing myself-I back in a moment!)
by Zoltan from Budapest on Jun 2, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big John and trade talk
This is the Jaguars inept attempt to run a franchise once again….I woulda easily sacked him on draft day…..OF LAST YEAR!!!!! The Jags did themselves in when they got rid of Stroud….Everyone knows someone who has charisma that makes you want to work harder, party harder or just be around them…..Stroud was that!!!! The Jags are lacking that unless someone with SIZE and presence has a break out year and I dont mean MJD…..Its hard to get fired up in a locker room listening to a voice and you only see the top of their head….Not Knocking MJD these are proven factors in motivation…..Napolean could do it for his armies why? Cause he was on a horse….
by kingsmasher on Jun 2, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we have one major problem
We just don’t really have the depth at DT to get rid of John. To be honest I would have liked to have traded away John by now, but I haven’t seen anyone that could perform as well as he can for the compensation we would have gotten for him.
I think we have plenty of other leaders. I think Groves will one. Hayward already is. Ingram is as well Mathis. At least one leader for every level of the offense is actually pretty good.
by Ewdtrey on Jun 2, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Really
Want to see Daryl step up and be a vocal leader next season.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
by Bestjagfan on Jun 2, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be nice
But the other guys in the LB corp are vets now too and they know what they are doing and Durant is the MLB now. So I’m not really worried about it.
by Ewdtrey on Jun 3, 2009 5:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do miss the Stroud dance and his swagger, i'll admit.
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by TheTealDeal on Jun 2, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I should join you at the...
Obvious guys’ network…
The End Is Nigh... www.infowars.com
by silencecs on Jun 2, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're already there my friend - come on in, the water's fine :-)
by OGN on Jun 2, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha... So's the kool-aid...
;)
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by silencecs on Jun 2, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They also have jackets with a big OGN on them.
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
by TheTealDeal on Jun 2, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
another cancer
Thought we got rid of all the cancer but another one in the form of John Henderson is still here. He rode Stroud all the way to the bank and got the big fat contract and hasn’t done anything in years. I’d rather play the young guys and check the waiver wires. We knew the Jaguars couldn’t fix both lines in 1 draft – this year the Oline, next year the Dline
by jagsrealist on Jun 2, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn
Stole what I was gonna say about the draft. ;) I agree 100% that next year the focus needs to be a DT in the first, second at the latest. No defensive ends, God knows we’ve got plenty of those.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
by Bestjagfan on Jun 2, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have no second rounder...yet
But I agree. As this year was LT, next year all eyes will focus on aDT in the 1st round.
I think next years draft will be loaded with defensive playes. (And a new development QB somewhere)
by Zoltan from Budapest on Jun 2, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Point
I forgot that we didn’t have a second rounder. If we trade LAZY JOHN HENDERSON we could get another third or something.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
by Bestjagfan on Jun 2, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your prediction is like anyone elses,
We could draft a Qb if Garrard sucks, which wouldn’t happen, or among other things, like maybe center, etc. I do feel that barring a plague of locusts we should rework d line, its still a BIG ??? on the DEs
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by TheTealDeal on Jun 2, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in favor or droping him but...
We won’t have any depth. Rob Meir, Terrence Knighton, Derek Landri and then who? A bunch of nobodys. We got rid of Tony McDaniel. We can’t get rid of Henderson without picking someone else up who’s legit.
Did you guys see the colts last year? Because of their defensive line size, they got run over. We don’t want that.
We need Big John this season. Del Rio and the leaders on this team have to do something to motivate this guy.
by jimbrophoto on Jun 2, 2009 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
did you see the press conferance??
….after JDR verbally destroyed Lazy John the ESPN guys went nuts
Thanks for the memories Fred, the #1 back on my roster
by Rufio904 on Jun 2, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate to see it but it's something that needs to be done.
Trade Big John.
Jacksonville Jaguars. It's what I do.
by JvilleJag2 on Jun 2, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Paul Kuharsky's take on the hendeson issue (and others)
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcsouth/0-10-11/Three-things-from-Jaguars—Tuesday-OTA.html
John’s case starting to be the elephant in the room in 2 days. WOW!
The 3rd point is also good.
by Zoltan from Budapest on Jun 2, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What about Grady Jackson?
Where is he at now?
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
by Bestjagfan on Jun 2, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Detroit
he signed with the Lions
http://walterfootball.com/offseason2009det.php
by Zoltan from Budapest on Jun 2, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For some nice coin
by Ewdtrey on Jun 3, 2009 5:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is disappointing
I bet it’s the heat. I hope something positive comes of this. Either through trade or increased determination. Oh well…
vae victis
by viator on Jun 2, 2009 5:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Deadzone Disorder Strikes across the internet!
The only way to stop it is Football.
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
by TheTealDeal on Jun 2, 2009 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
THIS IS CRAZY............
Can somebody please tell me why an 8 foot man is acting like a baby? I have seen this ever since Stroud left, but I never really wanted to believe it. But now that it is on the table, let me shed some light on it. He is trying to do the exact same thing Khalif Barnes did, half-ass play so he can get traded (or cut). But we can’t trade him without getting another big body in there. I don’t want the team to not be as competitive as we could be. We need a replacement or find a way to get him going again. Maybe they should hit him with baseball bats before kickoff………….
frankDUBZ aka Frank Silba
by FRANKdubz on Jun 2, 2009 6:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
SAD TO SAY.........
I really like Big Hen, but if he is hurting the squad, he has to go. Maybe something will change before the opener. We still got some time to heal this.
frankDUBZ aka Frank Silba
by FRANKdubz on Jun 2, 2009 6:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i usually agree with JDR and I especially dont like the effort from Hend but...
I dont like how JDR called him out publicly, do it privately, or even in the locker room, but not to the press
by jags2732 on Jun 2, 2009 11:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Could this be...
Just mind games? I know that JDR is usually a straight shooter, but could this be his attempt at seeing what Big John the Lazy, or “Juan Perezoso Grande”, is made of?
I’ve known people before that will publicly ridicule someone, whether it be a player, student, or employee, just to piss them off so they’ll step up and perform the way we know they can. I’m like that with certain people. Maybe this is Jack’s last ditch effort to get Juan Perezoso Grande to step it up?
Ignore the hype; look at the results.
by harperslaw on Jun 2, 2009 11:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Vic's take about the situation.
He answered it in 2 parts:
Howard from Homestead, FL
I fail to understand the benefit of calling out Henderson publicly. Could you explain for the non-jocks out here?
Vic: I don’t think it takes much imagination to figure out that Jack Del Rio probably tried all the other stuff and it didn’t work. I think it’s safe to assume that he tried patience and understanding. I think it’s easy to understand that he reached the end of his rope, so to speak. I think the first thing we have to do is understand that Del Rio knows a lot more about this situation than we do and that he almost certainly had been dealing with it without going public for a long time. Yesterday, he decided he didn’t want to do that any more. Why? Because it wasn’t working. Let me ask you a question: What were your thoughts last December when Del Rio announced a new no-nonsense approach? Did you applaud when he said everybody would be expected to participate in the following spring’s OTAs? Did you nod your head when he talked about bad chemistry overtaking the team and the need to fix that problem by demanding a new resolve and commitment to winning? Did you like that? Well, this is it and all those words would be meaningless if the message isn’t reinforced
The sceond question taker is a non important figure. He very often mistypes, that’s all you must know about him…
I wanna ask about John Henderson. Is just a minor problem or the situation with him is a real big concern?
Vic: That’s the definitive question and only Henderson can answer it. Yesterday’s comments are a line in the sand. It’s a line coach Del Rio drew last December and he re-drew it on Tuesday and it can not be crossed. The players on this team will watch this drama very closely.
by Zoltan from Budapest on Jun 3, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It'll be intersting to see how Big Lazy responds...
I am tired of the guy. He got paid big and fell off, period. Please people, quit calling him a star, he’s not anymore.
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by silencecs on Jun 3, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope
there is a way back. I would love to see a Matt Jones story (without the cocaine of course…)
I’m 100%ly understand your feelings Collin, but I still hope that he can go back to the line.
It is a another sad story so far…
And it makes (possiby our D-line more weaker…)
by Zoltan from Budapest on Jun 3, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Really
Starting to like the idea of a Glenn Dorsey trade. Both of our lines would be fortified then. Harvey, Landri, Dorsey, and Hayward. Not too bad…
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
by Bestjagfan on Jun 3, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, it would be pretty bad
Landri seems like a great guy, but are we hyping him like we hyped Meier prior to 08? I’m glad he’s put on weight, but to put all your eggs in the Landri basket is not wise considering his size, and the fact that he, like Meier, is better in smaller doses.
As for trading for Dorsey, the guy has been hurt. I’ll give him a pass performance wise (and the fact that he was a rookie). Rumor has it Atlanta had a hard on for him, but KC wanted a 1st and a 3rd. That is a fortune in draft picks, and I for one would NOT trade a 1st and a 3rd for an unproven second year DT with a history of injury problems.
Ignore the hype; look at the results.
by harperslaw on Jun 3, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Too Bad
Compared to what we would have with Henderson, who is going to get hurt…
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
by Bestjagfan on Jun 3, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zoltan..
how do you get vic to answer your questions all the time?
Thanks for the memories Fred, the #1 back on my roster
by Rufio904 on Jun 3, 2009 12:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We have a long relationship
I’m just kidding. I think first he was wondered how a guy from so far away is interested in Jaguars.
I wrote regulary very, very many questions to Vic, he mostly answeres them when he answeres someone else question, but sometimes he choose my questions. Back in 2007 I think, when he lunched the short lived “video vic” he mentioned me as an ooold friend. I write to him many time how much he means to me to become a Jaguars AND football fan.
By the way in the recent months I was not in Ask vic for more then a half year, so not always my post is selected. I try to ask things often, which is not a popular theme those times.
Today’s participation in Ask Vic was a complete surpriese, and the fact that the answer of my question was the title of the column today make me so, so lucky.
BY the way, a question to our fron page editors, will you plan to make another interview with Vic before the season starts? Or with Jeff Lageman or Brian Sexton?
by Zoltan from Budapest on Jun 3, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
another possible downside of drafting Eben Britton
We could have had a guy like Ron Brace ensuring no one get’s to Durant… that’d have be some leverage.
by alsonot on Jun 3, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Believe it or not
Knighton can do everything Brace can do in a run stopping capacity, but he Knighton also has a little more ability to pass rush and knock down passes.
by Ewdtrey on Jun 3, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also don't think there is any comparison btw Ron Brace and Britton...
Eben is clearly the superior talent of the two.
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by silencecs on Jun 3, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ron Brace
Had it easy, playing next to B.J. Raji.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
by Bestjagfan on Jun 3, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They fed off one another, like Stroud and Henderson
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by silencecs on Jun 4, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Think
Brace was getting penetration for Raji though.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
by Bestjagfan on Jun 4, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Brace was the better
college player, but I have a feeling Brace will stick around longer than Raji in the NFL.
Brace in college did help Raji a lot, because Raji didn’t have to worry about the run hardly. I think once that happens Raji will be exposed.
by Ewdtrey on Jun 5, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant to say
Raji was the better college player.
by Ewdtrey on Jun 5, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Believe me, I was never high on Raji, I do agree he was the better college player though. He was better in college because of good situations and not too great competition in the ACC. I think the NFL will expose Raji as a lazy ass bust, who was only successful in college because he survived on athleticism.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
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