Northcutt: On the Way Out
by silencecs on Jun 24, 2009 9:49 AM EDT
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Dennis on the ground, without the ball, became an all too familiar sight for Gene Smith.
Reports have surfaced and apparently, Dennis is reporting it himself, that he has been told to shop his services.
According to a league source, veteran wideout Dennis Northcutt is telling teammates that he has been given permission to shop his services via trade.
The Jaguars continue their quest for an adequate WR corp, and Dennis is the next victim of the new regime in Duval. "Given permission to shop his services", equates to being told, "If you want to make your money, find a team that will make a trade."
Northcutt is under contract through 2011. Per NFLPA records, he’ll earn a base salary of $2.45 million this year, $2.95 million in 2010, and $3.95 million in the final year of the deal.
Their likely won't be many teams clamoring for Dennis' services, and it is unlikely he'll find a free agent deal at those numbers, especially after last season. Maybe we can swing a trade for Northcutt for a 6th or 7th rounder, but I find it unlikely. What this story really means, is that Gene is continuing to reshape the roster, and he hasn't seen enough from Dennis in OTA's to justify that salary. The play of the three rookies may have something to do with this move as well, we'll really find out come Training Camp.
With the roster now at 81 players, the Jaguars will need to cut one more player to be at the magic number of 80 for camp. Expect Northcutt to be gone before August, either via trade, or release.
-Collin Streetman
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Interesting
Just not worth the salary I am guessing. We are getting YOUNG
by keepitreal on Jun 24, 2009 10:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if there is any way we could package Northcutt and Big Lazy for something...
There’s a trade I could get behind…
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by silencecs on Jun 24, 2009 10:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It seems
You seen no future in Jacksonville for John, am I right Collin?
By the way, they together might have the value of a 3-4 round pick, maybe a 2nd rounder, if someone is despreate…
by Zoltan from Budapest on Jun 24, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do I expect him to return to form from 2006.... No, I don't
Do I believe that he’ll somehow show up and practice every week… He has already proven he won’t.
Do I expect him to provide some veteran leadership and to teach the rookies work ethic… Would you want your rookies to have John’s work ethic?
Do I expect him to be an adequate starting DT… Yes, but he’s not exceptional, and I don’t expect he’ll be there again.
I see more value in admitting we’re rebuilding, and grabbing a draft pick now. If he plays great this season, he may have even more value before next year’s draft, but do you think he’ll return to form? I certainly don’t…
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by silencecs on Jun 24, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree but
seeing our defensive line, without him, I think at the middle we will remind us to the Colts middle.
And we know how bad that is…
That’s the main problem with the Henderson situation. After the jags trade him, all they have is a development player, a practice squad journeyman, and rookie (Landri, Ellison, Knighton) Ouch…
by Zoltan from Budapest on Jun 24, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally knew this was coming
I remember making a comment back in March that said I dreamed of the day when the receiving corps would be good enough to cut Dennis Northcutt. He’s an incredibly mediocre receiver who was getting thrown to due to an incredibly weak competition at the position. Once the Jaguars were able to draft 3 receivers I assumed that Northcutt would be cut at training camp. The image that I will forever associate with Northcutt was the dropped pass against the Patriots in the endzone that could’ve kept it close enough to allow the Jags to have a shot at the AFC Championship game.
by SoCalStites on Jun 24, 2009 11:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You mean the gator armed TD pass vs the Patriots - AMEN bro!
This is GREAT NEWS if it’s accurate. Yours truely applauds Gene for continuing tp blow up the worst WR corp in the league last year (assumes report validity). The last play of note for Mr Nothcut, was the aforementioned gator arm job in a playoff game. He certainly didn’t contribute last year.
Next on the hit list – Mr. “I can’t catch cold in the Artic” – Williamson.
by OGN on Jun 24, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet
Cleveland would take him back. They’ll wait till we cut him and then sign him for less.
by Jaghomer on Jun 24, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
too many drops
plus the 3 rookies they drafted have a lot more upside
by jagsrealist on Jun 24, 2009 11:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope Dennis get a chance
Here or elsewhere. I would keep him rather then elsewhere, but if he must go, I hope just by trade!
By the way, what’s up with Willamson? I think Dennis is a better WR (I know he is much older then Troy), but I think if there is someone who should be scared to being cut is him!
by Zoltan from Budapest on Jun 24, 2009 12:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Williamson's salary is less than a million I think
Like most rookie draft picks, the real money is in the signing bonus. The Vikings paid a huge chunk of his money when they signed him.
From following a bird that tweets, I don’t like what I hear from him… party, party, party…
Williamson isn’t special, and he’s not going to suddenly become special this offseason. There is no reason to expect him to suddenly produce when he hasn’t done so his entire career.
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by silencecs on Jun 24, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tell you what though
I think he could really provide a nice occasional deep threat, and if Northcutt is cut he can do some returning.
If he can stay health he may produce some. Last year the OL couldn’t hold long enough for anyone to get open down field, not giving Williamson the opportunity to showoff in what should be his biggest strength.
And last, as for his drops, he has dropped anything since the rare ones he dropped in training camp last year.
Still if he can’t stay healthy he may not be here next year.
by Ewdtrey on Jun 24, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he hasn’t dropped anything
Just to be clear, I don’t necessarily think Williamson is good returner, but he’s serviceable. And he’s fast on coverage kicks.
by Ewdtrey on Jun 24, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry - but if he was healthy AND couldn't crack last year's line up - pink slip baby!
by OGN on Jun 24, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the thing
he wasn’t healthy for a large portion of last season.
by Ewdtrey on Jun 24, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bit of perspective
There has been a lot of talk about the lack of production of both Williamson and Porter last year. I’ve been re-watching the games from last season, and both these guys probably caught more balls that were “disallowed” through holding penalties than they actually caught, or dropped.
I’m not a big fan of either player, but the truth is that a lot of their lack of numbers has nothing to do with them. They got open, caught the ball, made good gains (often in the midst of defenders)… and had it count for nothing.
Just to re-iterate: I’m glad Porter is gone, and if Williamson went I wouldn’t be sorry…. but to be fair to them, they both played better than their numbers suggest.
On Northcutt, I don’t think he is a stellar player, but he isn’t that bad. He’s… sort of solid, if uninspiring. Personally, I think he might be cut in order to make way for potential stars of the future. But, lets not forget that this will leave us with only 2 WRs who’ve actually played a down in the NFL. Holt is obviously our best WR in years. Walker is potentially awesome, if he stays healthy. If, god forbid, we lost these 2 to injury… we would have an entire WR corps of rookies. Is this a good thing?
by KeithG on Jun 25, 2009 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
if Northcutt goes then I wanna see Williamson to go. No reason for keeping him, sorry.
And the Jags gave for him a 6th rounder. Might the “disaster trifecta” is the in reality the “4 horsemen of the Apocalypse”?
by Zoltan from Budapest on Jun 24, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know man.
I’d say we already have our four with Porter/Williams/Jones/and Williamson if he’s cut. If not, we can just throw in Khalif Barnes or Drayton Florence. Probably the latter.
by Kbot on Jun 25, 2009 5:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think your cut # is off
The Tuesday notebook said we have 9 rookies, none of which are under contract. Current roster at 81, that means we still have 10 players to cut before Aug 2.
by Pyrofish on Jun 24, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No, the number is right... check the Jaguars.com roster to see...
81 names listed including our rookies.
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by silencecs on Jun 24, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As as Northcutt goes
I never had a problem with him. The occasional drop in a big situation did suck, but he was almost always good for a few yards. Mediocre at best, but he was better than most of what we’ve had for the past few seasons.
by Pyrofish on Jun 24, 2009 1:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Probable next 10 cut
1. Jordan black
2. Maurice Dupree
3. Calvin Lowry
4. Tyler Lorenzen
5. Mesphin Forrester
6. Lamar Myles
7. Weatherford
8. Jeremy Navarre (I hate this cut before the pads go on)
9. Dennis Norman (These cuts were harder to make than expected.)
10. Dennis Northcutt (Might be traded)
by Ewdtrey on Jun 24, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nobody else needs to go now...
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by silencecs on Jun 24, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Random note
it looks like Thomas Williams gained some weight. If I remember right, he was hoovering around 227 last year and is now around 237. If he kept his speed, he would be a decent backup.
by Ewdtrey on Jun 24, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brian Iwuh
I think he has to be the best backup at all three backer positions.
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by Bestjagfan on Jun 26, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we are getting young and thats a good thing
if we can trade northcutt for a 6 or 7th rounder that would be good but cutting him might be kinda harsh i feel we should let him have an oppturnity to make the team in training camp you never know what if one of these rookies get injured we might need a little depth at the wide reciever position. Im all for cutting troy williamson though what has he done for the team??
by CJag on Jun 24, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What the Jaguars have been angling for is a receiving corps that can run after the catch
Northcutt, for years now, has been the only receiver with that ability. A salary of $2.45 million this year is really not very much. Not really even that much more than a rookie. Also importantly, there has never been any indication that Dennis is anything but a perfect teammate.
Is he the best receiver the Jaguars have? No, not now that they have Holt. Is he the worst receiver the Jaguars have? No, not as long as they have Troy Williamson on the roster. Is it just a bit foolish for the Jaguars to count on three late-round rookies to all make important contributions this year? Yeah, it is, considering how rookies at the WR position usually play on any team.
It’d be especially odd to do this without even seeing what any of the rookies looks like with pads on. I guess what I’m saying is, keeping mediocre is a whole heck of a lot better than cutting a great teammate in favor of another Charles Sharon-style OTA star-turned-disappearing act.
by MoveThoseChains on Jun 24, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Matt Jones
Was never all that bad after the catch… maybe even better than Northcutt at it.
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-Akrobatik
by Bestjagfan on Jun 26, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
O no
I totally disagree. Not that Northcutt was very good, but just take a look at Matt Jones’ YAC. This last year he averaged about 1 yard.
by Ewdtrey on Jun 26, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jones Led the Team
In YAC this past season. Not good by league standards, but it was the best we had…
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-Akrobatik
by Bestjagfan on Jun 27, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeahhhh............not sure at all where you're getting that.
Like Ewdtrey said, 1 yard.
by MoveThoseChains on Jun 26, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Jones's YAC this past year was 3.2 yards, while Northcutt's was 2.5 yards.
On the other hand, Northcutt averaged 0.7 more yards per catch. Basically, Northcutt is quicker in his routes, and Jones is better at picking up extra yardage. The difference between the two is pretty insignificant though.
by Kbot on Jun 26, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't actually look it up
but I definitely remember Vic mentioning 1 yard of YAC on average.
by Ewdtrey on Jun 27, 2009 6:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably a case of Vic's liberal use of hyperbole.
Really though, he’s tall enough to fall and pick up two yards.
by Kbot on Jun 30, 2009 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, hello everyone again. It's been a while.
by MoveThoseChains on Jun 24, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A good move imo
As much as I appreciate Northcutt’s solid play here in Jacksonville, arguably the best receiver we have had in a long time, I believe letting him go is the right thing to do for this team at this point. He might be better this year than one of our rookies, but we can’t afford to lose a promising rookie to keep a mediocre aging veteran. It is like business or the stock market. It is not about recognizing or rewarding (as most desire to do) past performance. The money is made in predicting future performance. There is risk involved in the hopes of reward. We know what we have in Northcutt; and as good as it is, it isn’t good enough; and it isn’t going to get any better. As far as Williamson goes, he does have upside (youth and speed) that Northcutt just doesn’t have – not to mention at less cost. Williamson should be judged evenly against the rookies (most likely against Underwood) for a roster spot. Northcutt, however, doesn’t get the luxury of an even playing field.
by Conservative on Jun 24, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
welcome to the site...
thanks for contributing.
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by silencecs on Jun 24, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, well, well
The Emperor strikes again… If we are talking a character issue, I think Northcutt has been a great teammate so that couldn’t be a problem. I just think maybe the staff have found something in these rookies that give them the confidence they need to move forward. I agree with Conservative. Northcutt is old, we are getting young. IMO, Williamson needs to be shown the door as well. Injuries aside, what has he done for us lately? By the way, our five receivers will be Holt, Walker, Dillard (a smaller Ernest Wilford), Thomas, and Underwood (practice squad). Remember that Marcedes Lewis, Zach Miller, Maurice Drew, Greg Jones and Rashad Jennings will see the ball at some point. Do we have a problem with keeping receivers happy here? If only we could trade Big Lazy…
by DeeMoe on Jun 24, 2009 6:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is it really impossible
that character issues could be a factor in this
by SoCalStites on Jun 24, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking about that.
Maybe something has been brought up by Northcutt’s legal team, or himself that’s causing concerns for the Jags.
by Kbot on Jun 25, 2009 5:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see it
How is Dillard like a small Wilford?
I agree with most everything else you said.
by Ewdtrey on Jun 25, 2009 6:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I looked at
the write ups on Dillard. He is quick but not fast, finds the open seams, knows how to create seperation… it sounded like Ernest Wilford to me. Isn’t that what he did on 3rd down for us. He was definitely not a speed burner, but on 3rd down and in the red zone he got open. Dillard sounds like a guy who can get open.
by DeeMoe on Jun 25, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Their description
when written is somewhat the same, but the way they go about it is way different. It’s something you have to see for your self. When you watch him more you’ll see what I mean.
by Ewdtrey on Jun 26, 2009 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
During Training Camp?
Why wouldn’t he last until training camp? He’s not the worst receiver on the team.
by acedarney on Jun 24, 2009 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's my point
If nobody intrested in him, wait until training camp, and if he is the 5th-6th receiver or worse (which I doubt) then cut him, when the final roster is being announced. Until that time, The Jags should keep him in the roster, to prove himself!
by Zoltan from Budapest on Jun 25, 2009 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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