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Jaguars' fans want to know: "What's up Jack?!?"

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Surely you don't think this is all my fault?

In 2006, John Henderson was a force to be reckoned with. He and Stroud were THE dominant DT's in the NFL. Now, He's a shell of his former self, and has been for two years. Marcus Stroud missed constant practice due to microfracture surgery rehabilitation issues. He's gone now, mind you.

John Henderson missed practice continually for "personal reasons" or  minor injuries. That slack treatment has gone on for too long, and it is Del Rio's fault for ever fostering that environment. This issue should've been quelled in 2007. Instead, it lasted throughout 2007, 2008, and now into the beginning of 2009! I'm a fan of Del Rio, but I have to call them like I see it, and in my view, he's to blame for this situation escalating to the level it has.

Every year, we get a player clashing with Jack, and we lose the player, pronto. Marlon McCree, Mike Peterson, Marcus Stroud, Byron Leftwich, and now possibly John Henderson. The same thing happens with asst. coaches of Del Rio. Ray Hamilton, Mike Smith, Joe DeCamilis,  Gregg Williams, Donnie Henderson, and lastly, our previous offensive coordinator. What is going on, this is only over an 8 year period people!

Did anyone ever consider that maybe Del Rio has something to do with the poor chemistry in the locker-room? I support my coach, and I love Del Rio's style. I think he's a very good coach who is developing and learning to be a great coach. However, his inability to work with both asst. coaches and players has finally caused me to question whether or not he is a problem in the locker-room... Just something to consider.

-Collin Streetman

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How much blame is on Jack Del Rio's shoulders?
All of it... It's his team isn't it?
66 votes
Half of it... He can't control every aspect of a player's behaviors, but he bears some responsibility
183 votes
None... He's just dealing with the low character trash that has been drafted by Shack
83 votes

332 votes | Poll has closed

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This article stinks. Your really reaching on this article Collin. Your trying to make something out of nothing……..

by LuckyPriest on Jun 5, 2009 10:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No i am not...

I am just raising a point dude. Maybe we should finally start to consider our coach if we don’t trun this ship around soon. He clearly is a love em or hate em kind of coach.

I still like him, and still think he’ll succeed, but I had this thought in the shower, and it is just another perspective to look at it from, don’t over-react

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by silencecs on Jun 6, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it’s like one of my favorite things to do here… play Devil’s Advocate… to truly, truly, truly understand most situations, you MUST look at both sides honestly and completely… again, good observations

Sean Jax Beach Bum

by cuffs007 on Jun 6, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are two sides

Every Coin here has a flip side, but i am on the side of Collin, Bad Attitudes and Bad habits start from the head and move on down. I know Del Rio is doing the best he can, but it seams to me that he has a hard time letting other coaches do their jobs. Honestly if the season starts out the way it did last year I see Gene firing Del Rio at the bye week this season

by jesusjagfan2009 on Jun 6, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gosh Geez Guys

Holy Smokes…

 I promise to be kind and compassionate next time. Perhaps we can all have a boys night out and go dance with the stars and sing koom ba ya.

 I’m sorry if anyone’s panties got wadded up over my comment. I’m just an old-fashioned smash-mouth football guy. I don’t jump ship when times get tough and I don’t point fingers. Its a simple game for simple folk. Do your job or get outta dodge.

The coach has to be the king. Sure it was dumb to talk to the press about it but nonetheless, the buck has to stop somewhere…

by LuckyPriest on Jun 7, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm wasn't knocking ya

I like that you shoot from the hip.

Vae victis!

by viator on Jun 7, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn Dude

Welcome to the site… way to enter with a bang; insulting one of the editors, wise…

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Jun 6, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is america

you can have free speech. i mean what does he get kicked off the site for dis agreeing?

Collin-i would think-can easily take someone telling him that his article “stinks”.

After reading all of these comments, i really think people are just seeking reason. People on the outside, such as us, can only see results. We don’t understand anything but performance. So, we blame whoever we can. Very stupid. But, if we figure out who to blame, then we have our reason for poor performance. Now, we fell better and feel like we helped our team that doesnt even really know us.

Now, i got my reason. So i’ll sleep on it.

collin, i look forward to your next article and ill be your huckle berry.

-surteal out

Surreal to be Teal

by Surteal on Jun 7, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha.

Easy Bro. Like Viator said above, I like how this guy shoots from the hip. I never said anything about him not being able to express his opinion.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Jun 7, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WOW!

Tell us how you really feel.

Vae victis!

by viator on Jun 6, 2009 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to defend Collin here.

I have been coming to the comclusionover the past 3 years that JDR IS part of the problem here. I have begun calling him the yoyo coach – his teams are up one year and down the next. We need more consistency.

Good article Collin. I do beleive it’s high time JDR gets a little spotlight treatment.

by OGN on Jun 6, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree priest. unneeded article.

You didnt need to write about this stuff. And you’re wrong. he didnt get in a fight with every person on there. Mike Smith?? Bullshit. cmon collin

by harveyismyboy on Jun 10, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

like you said collin… it is something to consider… good observations…

Sean Jax Beach Bum

by cuffs007 on Jun 5, 2009 10:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I voted for the 2nd option although I wouldn't say half

I’d put it closer to 20-30% Jack’s fault. It’s just flat out illogical to say that he’s completely blame free.

As for the John Henderson issue, there is no issue. I don’t think this “clash” belongs in this article because I think it was Jack’s way of telling this team how it’s going to be and it was largely symbolic rather than an actual isolated incident.

by SoCalStites on Jun 5, 2009 11:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jack isn't teflon but it's partially his fault.

He’s in part to blame for being a “player’s coach” or treating his players “like men”. He should have started out tough and lightened up as the seasons come and go. However I do like that he is stricter now and so far has stuck to his guns.

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by JvilleJag2 on Jun 5, 2009 11:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

3rd Option.

It was close for me though. The second option is partly true in my book only because Jack did have some say in the busts that have been in teal the past few years(Reggie Williams). But to tell you the truth, I think it doesn’t make sense to say it’s a coaches fault because the chemistry in the locker room is not up to a level which outsiders who aren’t even involved with team think it is supposed to be. A player in the NFL is a grown man, with his own life. You don’t teach a player leadership, and you don’t teach a team to be close. It really just happens; if it doesn’t, it’s insane to try and blame the coach.

You also have to be a players coach to an extent. While I agree the scenes from last years camp(s) where a bit eye-opening, with Jerry Porter jogging around in sunglasses and playing on his blackberry, and Matt Jones always on the sidelines guzzling water, this ain’t high school no more. Players at the NFL level don’t respect clowns like Bobby Petrino who make them kneel and look up at him, even though some of those guys make three times what he made.

Blaming Jack is ridiculous… next topic.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Jun 5, 2009 11:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think you're stretching it with the players, there were more variables in play than just JDR and the player

The coaching staff, however. One or two is understandable, but with the turnover his staff has then you have to look at the common variable.

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by Jonathan Loesche on Jun 6, 2009 12:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A lot of over-reaction to a post that wasn't crucifying anyone.

I said I liked the guy, I said I thought he was improving and could even be great.

However, I deal with facts in the real world guys, and the facts say that there has been a shocking number of players and coaches who have left during Del RIo’s Tenure. It always seems to happen to the people who cross Del Rio, that was my observation.

I don’t think it is necessarily a bad thing when your locker room is in order, but Jack Del Rio is going ot have to prove to me that he’s the top dog in the lockerroom, and have his players respond appropriately.

If some of you want to completely exonerate him after last years debacle, be my guest. I need to see more from Del RIo.

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by silencecs on Jun 6, 2009 12:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I more or less agree, although I disagree with some of your examples.

I think Del Rio lets things slide for too long. It’s much more likely that the Mike Peterson/Del Rio relationship has been rocky for longer than the media had known, and Marlon McCree’s discontent was due to losing his starting position to Rashean Mathis. Seriously, if a player pouts for losing his job to someone who outperformed him, he doesn’t deserve a place on a team. Marcus Stroud was injured far too much (missed 11 games in his last two years with Jacksonville) for his pay (5, 5.5, 6). He was simply too expensive for someone who played less than two-thirds of the season.

As for the staff changes, Joe DeCamilis and Mike Smith both left for higher paying jobs, Gregg Williams’s style wasn’t a fit for the Jags’ personnel, and Donnie Henderson was laid off because Mel Tucker can do two jobs, one of those being Henderson’s job. Despite all this, I feel that Del Rio has loosened his standards in the the past few years, and he’s attempting to work back to form again. I have no problem with that.

by Kbot on Jun 6, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Donnie Henderson

His style of coaching didn’t mesh with Rashean and Reggie.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Jun 6, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mike Smith

I’m not sure that he fits into the classification of coaches that have clashed with JDR. I like Jack, but if he can’t get it together…Well, you don’t pay someone for not doing a job. His job is to win. I’ve had no problem firing people who are inept. It’s a part of business, and it’s a part of life. You don’t let dead weight sink you, you throw it overboard. I hope Jack succeeds.

Vae victis!

by viator on Jun 6, 2009 8:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I understand...

But you grouped his name with those of men that he has had difference of opinion in football philosophy. I believe that sentiments such as sarcasm should be easily understood in print. So long as you are properly conveying your thoughts through words. I interpreted that you meant Smith left as the others did…with the assistance of JDR’s boot. (I know Joe D left for another job, but it was obvious that he and Jack didn’t see eye to eye.) Besides that, I think you’ve made a solid assessment of the situation.

Vae victis!

by viator on Jun 6, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

C'mon Collin

Mike Smith? He left for a head coaching job, not because he clashed with Jack. He took Ray Hamilton with him. That happens all the time. Joe DeCamilis left for Dallas who offered more money than the organization was willing to give. Gregg Williams had a one year contract and it was clear mid season that his schemes and philosophy weren’t working.
Look around the league, we’ve had far less player/coach clashes than some other teams. If you’ve got 53 guys on a roster and all but one of them is buying into the system, how is that the coach’s fault? Should the coach pull a 180 and do things the way the player thinks he should? Doesn’t the majority rule? Maybe those players heads got too big for the good of the team. Mike Peterson was upset that the ORGANIZATION didn’t give him a new contract, which is not Jack’s job. He was already a malcontent when he clashed with Jack. I like your points, I just feel they were a little naive. I know Jack isn’t perfect, but let’s look under the surface before we judge.

by JagHack on Jun 6, 2009 8:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not even close

I chose #3. Why? Can’t blame Del Rio for the trash that Shack brought in. Give him 2 years with Gene Smith drafting and player aquisitions and see the difference. The reason the Jags are up and down since JDR has been here is because when they have a good year they play a tougher schedule the following year and that GM never brought in the right players to keep the Jags on the ascent.

by jagsrealist on Jun 6, 2009 8:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Somewhere

Between the 2nd and 3rd opition is my opinion. His clash with Mike Peterson was unnecessary I agree, other then that I have no problem with Jack dealing players(Hey, guys like Derek Landri said, that Jack did what he has to do with Henderson. And better now take actions like this then middle of the season).
And I agree, lately many low-charachter guys was here (Bengals of the South…) You must gave credit to Jack dealing with them.
The point where I have problems is the coaching changes and Jack’s realtons with them. Joe Decamillis comes to my mind. Jags should keep him(and jack might was a factor that not happened). And finding new coaches, Jack is not the best so far in this category too.
Another good piece Collin. Staying critical. Raise the hard questions! Last year, we don’t raise them, we weren’t critical enough.We ate the pizza about Superbowl. And we were shocked/disapointed in the fall.
Articles like this, critical view on anything what happens with the jaguars can prevent to make the same mistake twice!

by Zoltan from Budapest on Jun 6, 2009 9:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

we don't know the whole story with mike p

speculate what you will, but we are ignorant. what makes it worse is we think we know.

Surreal to be Teal

by Surteal on Jun 7, 2009 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's give credit where it's due.

John Henderson immediately stepped up and very publicly admitted that “he’s in” on the team plan for this season. Whatever Del Rio did, it looks like it had the right effect. If anything, it feels like this is an outlier from the Marlon McCree/Mike Peterson situations where you knew that if a player was called out, he’d be out of the picture very soon thereafter.

That said, I do agree that Jack’s had a pretty good amount of staff turnover over the last few seasons, though much of it was from outside factors. Mike Smith, going to Atlanta, isn’t something you can blame on Del Rio, but some of the other turnover makes me uncomfortable.

That said, the whole team is going to be coached and managed like they have their jobs on the line, because you know, they do. This team needs to show serious growth, both on the field and in the locker room. Del Rio and Gene Smith cannot tolerate any slack, especially Del Rio, because he has to know that if this season has any of the shenanigans of last year, he’s on the curb. There are simply too many quality coaches that will be available should this team regress any further.

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by River City Rage on Jun 6, 2009 9:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Excellent points

As a leader you can not tolerate dissension. It shows weakness. You have to weed out rebellion and strife, lest it lead to all out mutiny.

Vae victis!

by viator on Jun 6, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really liked JDR

but is eroding with all the coaches, players, and incidents. I think he’ll stay if he turns the team around but go very quickly if this season is worse than last. Helping to pick busts and firing coaches almost every year isn’t good for PR.

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by TheTealDeal on Jun 6, 2009 9:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like Del Rio too

I like hard nosed, no nonsense coaches. We had one here before, too that seems to be doing pretty well. If we get back to drafting like Tom did we will be OK in the long run. Jack treats the players like grown men, expecting them to do their very best without having to be babysat. I don’t blame him for getting upset when they let him and the team down. How bad do they want to win?. Those guys could never work hard enough to truly earn what they get paid just because they were born with a gift. They should appreciate their good fortune. If they ain’t gonna run they need to walk.

by elgatojaguar on Jun 6, 2009 3:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good Article Collin

Perhaps it wasn’t such a bad article after all. It aroused quite a bit of emotion and thoughtful comments amongst everyone.

Although I don’t agree with your article, I enjoyed the perspective.

by LuckyPriest on Jun 7, 2009 12:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i'm sleepy, so i didnt read all the comments--forgive me if im repetitive

Collin,
The article was ok. It reminded me of a jagnation-style. Short and nothing new, but this particular one was designed to make you think of the chemistry issues from another angle. Great idea, really.

Now, i question that Mike Smith left because of JDR. I mean the guy got a head coaching opportunity….
Donnie Henderson was not the best human being and i think he resigned, im not sure. Don’t just think of everyone who left and blame it on JDR-that is where you reached.

All we can really do is sit back and see what happens this season. I have been on the side of the fence that says give JDR another year. When i first read comments—from this site—about how JDR needed to go, well i was caught off guard. I mean the people that favor that idea should look at other teams and think if they want a “lane kiffin-type” as a coach. JDR is a great coach. He is still learning. Give the man another 3 years and he could be among the top in the league-especially with Gene Smith drafting, and maybe by then Ross Tucker won’t say that JDR made moves that “the emperor” did.

Anyways, when we start winning these articles will never come up. As much as winning produces band-wagon fans, losing creates more disarray than need be.

Surreal to be Teal

by Surteal on Jun 7, 2009 1:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I've heard every excuse for JDR.

The reality is the guy is just an average coach. He won’t outsmart another coach that’s for sure.

by Slvrgun on Jun 7, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He plans to focus

On defense. I think he has a straight forward style. Aggressive and bold. He may not be a great tactician, but his tactics have won games against great coaches. Superbowl winning coaches. Between he and Tucker they will out fox more than a few offenses. We have to depend on Koetter to dissect opposing defenses. I think he’s a sharp guy. I still hold out hope that our team is actually quite awesome…last year was just a fluke of sorts.

Vae victis!

by viator on Jun 7, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Axe

Anybody remember when JDR put the wood and the axe in the locker room to physche people up? It must of been for Wayne, What the $%#@ were you thinking moments

"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"

by TheTealDeal on Jun 14, 2009 8:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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