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Providing Perspective: The Jaguars' Coach, the Big Lazy, and the UDFA's

"I'M IN!!!"           "Get your ass on the practice field!!"

It is a beautiful, relaxing summer afternoon in Florida. Not a cloud in the sky down here; it's the kind of day where you can't help but smile. I figured I'd post some thoughts I've had on the amazing UDFA's, and clarify my position on Jack Del Rio, which it seems became somewhat misconstrued.

The Jack

The last article I posted put some hypothetical heat on Del Rio; it was just an attempt to provide some perspective. Long-time readers know I love Del RIo and his style of aggressive smash-mouth football. I love the fact he goes for it on fourth and short so often. The statistics don't lie, it's a gutsy call, but it is often better to go for it. Del Rio got soft last year, and he realized it mid-season, when he took out veteran linebacker, and longtime defensive leader, Mike Peterson.

I love del Rio, I support him getting another year if the team improves to at least 8-8 this year. He's a proven coach, a good leader, and an excellent defensive mind. That being said, I would also agree with the potential validity of any argument that stated he constantly lets others take the fall, and that his striking personality leaves little room for compromise with anyone, coach or player. The facts don't lie, and I don't mind them. I certainly don't blame the departure of Ray Hamilton or Mike Smith on Jack, but his clashes have resulted in the departure of some. The clash with John Henderson, is an example of sound coaching, but he's a little late to the party. He should've never allowed Henderson to miss so many practices without injury.

Del Rio is obviously a man who values loyalty very highly and his continued presence on the sideline is an asset, not a liability, to the organization. I expect him to succeed this season and continue forward as the Jaguars coach through at least one more contract extension.

The Big Lazy

John Henderson has claimed he's "in". I'll believe it when I see it on the field, that's all I can say. Perhaps I'm jaded from two lackluster seasons marred by unexplained absences from practice, and underachievement on the field. Perhaps I'm disappointed that a guy who makes 5 plus million a year is already repeating the behaviors from his last two years, and it's only OTAs. Perhaps I'm of the opinion that someone making as much as John should be producing more then he has.

Either way, I've been a supporter of trading John for awhile, and I think that may be in his future, but not this season. Without John, our defensive line will be gutted each week. We need The Big Lazy, and if he really gets on board, he'll be kept. He could become an excellent mentor to Kinghton, but he has to get with the program. Saying it is one thing, doing it is something completely different.

The UDFAs

So, I've gotten over my excitement with Abdallah, the former Jaguar who wasn't present at OTAs. I still like his potential, and he may make it on the practice squad of the Jags or another team. As you've see, I've done numerous pieces on the Jags UDFA class, and there is definitely potential for more than one of these young men to make the final 53. Here's a recap of Big Cat Country's write-ups for our undrafted gems.

Julius Williams, DE

 

Pete Ittersagen, DB

Brock Bolen, FB

Mesphin Forrester, DB

Russel Allen, LB

In order for any of these players to make the squad, they'll have to contribute on special teams. The Jags released Chad Nkang, and that means there's room for someone to steal his spot as a major special teams tackler. Russ Purnell will have the players, he better follow it with production.

-Collin Streetman

Poll
How many UDFA's will make the final 53?
0 - I'm not impressed with this year's stock of undrafted players
6 votes
1 - At least one will squeeze on the squad for special teams
39 votes
2 - I see a few I like as potential contributors
78 votes
3 - Out of 18 players, at least three will make the final roster
45 votes
4 or more - This roster has tons of holes, first year players will be filling them
32 votes

200 votes | Poll has closed

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Nice piece

As always, Collin. As i wrote about in the Del Rio article, I totally understand the “staying critical” point of view, but i think it is a good article to explain yourself fully.
About the UDFAs, what do you think (and that can be a poll) how many will reach the 53 from them, and who will he/they be?
If I must name the number and the names, I have 2 candidates: Allen, and Ittersagen

by Zoltan from Budapest on Jun 7, 2009 5:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am going to say AT LEAST 2.

Maybe 3, but I would be shocked if 4 or more made it. That would mean some vets would start losing out in favor of the rooks. It could happen in some of our DB’s turn out to be decent.

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by silencecs on Jun 7, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And who are

your candidates for those 4? Julius Williams and Forrester(because of the position?)
And do you expect surprising veteran cuts?

by Zoltan from Budapest on Jun 7, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A DT will almost assuredly make it, although he'll have to have an NFL ready body.

I would think Ellison has a good chance, who was claimed off the 49ers practice squad (he’s not a UDFA, so I guess he doesn’t count though). Right now we have 4 DT’s, 3 are locks to make the final roster in my opinion. Henderson (barring trade), Knighton, and Landri. I am not sure Rob Meier is guaranteed a roster spot unless he shows up in training camp.

Maybe Julius Willams and Brock Bolen. I think Brock will make it and transition to be a very good blocker.

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by silencecs on Jun 7, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Like Bolen

But he’s really gonna have to show up on special teams to make the final 53. I don’t know how the Jags could justify carrying 3 fullbacks, when some teams don’t even have 1.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Jun 7, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rob Meier is pretty much assured of making the roster

for at least another year. Del Rio likes him alot as a rotational DT and theres not really anybody much better than him or landri. I don’t see any undrafted DTs making the roster, maybe for ellison, practice squad. I think Russell Allen, Cecil Newton have best chances. My dark horse is Bolen, Ittersagen i don’t care for much. I don’t count out Julius Williams tho, he’ll see some sort of action.

"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"

by TheTealDeal on Jun 7, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sunny in South Florida?

You’re lucky bro’, it’s been raining and storming up here in J-Ville. I kind of like the rainy weather though, its great for grabbing some shuteye.

I agree that we can’t trade Henderson, yet. If we trade him for picks, or just flat out release him, our D-line could be among the weakest on the interior in the league. I’m a big fan of trading for Glenn Dorsey. I’m sure we would have to throw something extra into the pot for them to pull the trigger, maybe a third round pick?

I agree that everyone, including myself to an extent, jumped the gun a little bit on your last article. Speaking for myself, I know where you are coming from now, and I agree with your opinion on Del Rio.

I’m excited about some of the UDFAs this year, maybe more so than the receivers we picked up in the draft itself. I think Julius Williams and Russell Allen have a really good shot to make the team. Williams reminds me so much of James Harrison, and I think he could turn out to be a steal. Allen seems like he could almost start someday. He may not have the best physical attributes, but he is sound in his game and is a solid tackler. I think the linebackers should go like this.

Strong: Clint Ingram Middle: Daryl Smith Weak: Justin Durant
Backups: Brian Iwuh, Russell Allen, and Tim Shaw

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Jun 7, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think you're forgetting Cecil Newton

He’s my favorite undrafted rookie. Allen is next. Bolen is my wildrcard/dark horse.
i say 2-4 rookies can make it (70%), 1-2 (20%), 0 (5%), 5+ (5%).

"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"

by TheTealDeal on Jun 7, 2009 6:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The JDR topic was raised

several weeks ago by a colts fan who paid us a visit. He correctly pointed out how JDR never seems to get critisized for his team’s performance. Tpoka and I got into a conversation where I was asked if I thought JDR was part of the problem. My response was I didn’t up to that point, but I had started to question him now, mainly because of the lack of the Jags consistency from year to year (up / down).

You point out that you like his physical style. I do too – football is a physical game. Smashmouth running is fun BUT you must develop a solid passing game to contend in the NFL. As Jaws says, points come out of the passing game – he’s right especially at playoff time. JDR hasn’t really placed an emphasis on developing that aspect of our offense and we really need to.

JDR was also part of the three headed monster responsible for several mediocre drafts. Shack got the lion’s share of the blame – but JDR had a hand in that also (to my knowledge). It is entirely possible that draft analysis is not his forte and that Gene is much better suited to making those deceisions and JDR just handle the coaching. That appears to be the arrangement now so we’ll have to wait and see if that works out.

I’m also not thrilled that a defensive oriented HC would allow our D-line to age as it did and now must be considered the weak link on this team (assumes O-line improvement). You are quite correct that without big Lazy, we’d get gutted every week. That may still happen. I’m not saying it will, just that the foundation for that to happen is clearly there and JDR has to take at least some responsibilty for that.

Finally, for 5 years, this team has been a yoyo – up one year and down the next. JDR MUST get this team to perform consistently not only during a given season, but from year to year as well.

I for one, think it’s about time JDR receive some scrutiny so please don’t back off of that.

by OGN on Jun 7, 2009 7:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I Think Jack

Has tried to gain a respectable passing attack during his time here. Matt Jones and Reggie Williams were those attempts; poor drafting, yes. No attempt at a passing game, no.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Jun 7, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He does deserve some scrutiny, and we call em like we see em here.

I’m pretty sure that he’s on Terry’s hot list for just about the same reasons you listed.

He’s grown a lot as a coach since we hired him, but he still has plenty to learn and improve on. I like him, but he’s not without his faults, that’s for sure.

The End Is Nigh... www.infowars.com

by silencecs on Jun 7, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Terry who?

Big Cat Country!:: The Official Home of the Unofficial Blog of the Jacksonville Jaguars!

by Tkopa on Jun 7, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just this guy who used to write incredible articles on this site...

you wouldn’t know him.

Welcome to the site by the way!
My name’s collin

The End Is Nigh... www.infowars.com

by silencecs on Jun 7, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha

By the way, Welcome back Terry. Been a while!
Any interesting stuff you preparing for us?

by Zoltan from Budapest on Jun 7, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's very monk-like, so i'd guess...

he’s exiled himself to meditate and study, or maybe he’s take a temporary vow of silence, or maybe he’s taken up chanting…

any guesses people?

The End Is Nigh... www.infowars.com

by silencecs on Jun 8, 2009 3:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

his mysterious friend John visiting by him.

by Zoltan from Budapest on Jun 8, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Might be

Big Cat Country!:: The Official Home of the Unofficial Blog of the Jacksonville Jaguars!

by Tkopa on Jun 8, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did

he share with you any wisdom this time?

by Zoltan from Budapest on Jun 8, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm excited about seeing who makes the team

I think the UDFA guys will indicate where this team is going.
I think if either Julius Williams or Jeremy Navarre makes the team we will see more 3-4 fronts than previously expected, as they are both 3-4 guys at the positions of OLB and DE respectively.

I think that if Meier gets cut and Atiyyah Ellison makes the team that could be another indication of a 3-4 front. I think it would also be a good sign for our DL.

I’d like to see Newton beat out either Norman and or Miller for a roster spot as a backup center, being that he will young and more prototypical for a center.

With the additon of McCree I doubt Forrester will make the 53 or any other pure safety rookie, especially since Brian Williams also offers some depth at safety. (Making Starks a 3rd CB)

I would like it if Ittersagen makes the team because I think he can be a good solid backup at all the DB positions.

I like Russell Allen more than Thomas Williams, but they are very similar players as LB’s. Even though Williams has the 5th round pick and experience helping him; Allen has a cheaper paycheck, more college starting experience, and more expected special teams ability.

by Ewdtrey on Jun 7, 2009 8:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

If Derek Cox can show up in camp, B-Dub can play nickel, or vice versa. Either way, that would actually be a pretty good secondary. Reggie and Considine at safety, Rashean, B-Dub, and Derek Cox at corner. Now imagine them with a pass rush.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Jun 7, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not nearly as stoked on Considine as everyone else here

That’s a pretty weak starting safety in my opinion. I wouldn’t mind letting Brian Williams continue to learn the SS position and start there this year. That all depends on how well Derek Cox looks in training camp and preseason, though.

by SoCalStites on Jun 7, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Agree That

Considine could possibly be the weak link in the secondary… but he does have a reputation of always being in position, and they say he can hit down in the box.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Jun 7, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he will

still be a upgrade from last year. I don’t think he will solve all our problems though. But he’s as good nondrafted cheap player gets.
He will be better than Brian Williams was last year, and better than Sensabaugh was early on.

by Ewdtrey on Jun 8, 2009 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree.

I think B Dub is a better safety than Considine. He’s one of my favorite Jags.

The End Is Nigh... www.infowars.com

by silencecs on Jun 8, 2009 4:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like

Brian Williams a lot, but he wasn’t always in position, he didn’t get his hands on the ball and he wasn’t very good against the run.

by Ewdtrey on Jun 8, 2009 4:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's not as great as he used to be, but he's still got a better overall skill set than considine.

I can promise you B Dub’s hips are much smoother

The End Is Nigh... www.infowars.com

by silencecs on Jun 8, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that he does have smoother hips

but he struggled against TE’s. In fact, I don’t remember him pass defending one pass while covering a TE.

by Ewdtrey on Jun 8, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look who he faces on a regular basis in our devision alone...

Owen Daniels, Dallas Clark, Bo Scaife/Jared Cook (titans drafted him)

The End Is Nigh... www.infowars.com

by silencecs on Jun 8, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not making excuses, but you won't often see when a defensive back covers a guy usually.

The camera won’t focus there and the QB won’t throw it to the guy. He did get burned a couple times, but that happens. I’m not saying he’s an elite talent, but he’s a solid corner or safety.

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by silencecs on Jun 8, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Like B-Dub as the second corner

I think Derek Cox playing nickel could be a good group of corners. Or vice versa. I do like B-Dub’s run support abilities. He brings something Rashean can’t really offer.

Totally random, but we should do a create a caption contest, like maybe weekly or every other week. I’ve noticed a few other blogs doing it.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Jun 8, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Titans

Do it. It’s hilarious sometimes.

Vae victis!

by viator on Jun 8, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brian Williams

would be a much better option as a NB in nickel situations, even if he is a starting CB in the base defense. One reason is because he’s a vet, and the NB position is more difficult mentally. Another reason is because he’s probably more physical, which is important when playing inside. Third he doesn’t have the deep speed and range that Derek has.

by Ewdtrey on Jun 8, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I made it a point to watch

Brian Williams a lot last year. I can tell you he usually didn’t get lost nor did he just get totally burned often. In fact he generally kept with his man. But whenever he covered someone there was always a window to throw to the receiver.
Look at it from the opposing teams offense. If I was a QB I wouldn’t mind throwing at him because at the very worst, generally speaking, the ball will land on the ground. But if I throw an accurate pass I will more than likely make a completion.
In other words, Williams does his job in staying with his man but very rarely does an opposing QB have to worry about him making a play on the ball.

by Ewdtrey on Jun 8, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought

That Brian Williams was trying to cover up for everybody else’s shortcomings in the secondary last year. He had to cover for Reggie not tackling, Drayton Florence not doing anything, and play his own position. It looked to me like he was trying really hard to hold the secondary together. I think if Derek Cox can start at corner opposite Rashean and show the promise he has so far and Reggie can grow into a more complete Free Safety that Brian Williams can focus more on doing his job at Strong Safety and the secondary can be a much more solid group than what we saw last year. It just seemed to me like he couldn’t do his job as well because he had to cover for the other players that didn’t show up.

by Richierich_420 on Jun 8, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know that you could

blame other players for his own weaknesses.
I’ve seen Williams miss plenty tackles that had nothing to do with Nelson. Besides if Nelson misses a tackle he’s usually our last line of defense and no one is going to make the tackle, or in other words, cover up for him.
As for him playing CB in our base defense, I don’t know what that has to do with Florence(as bad as Flo was). If you come in to play for someone else you can’t blame the person you’re replacing. That doesn’t exactly make sense to me.
When you are playing man-to-man, which he struggled with, you can’t blame any other defensive back but yourself.
I do agree he was a blessing to our defensive backfield, because even though he wasn’t stellar, he was very serviceable.
I have to add though, that he was responsible for a lot of penalties last year, penalties that kept scoring drives for opposing teams alive. (The Steelers game was an example of that. He had penalties that included a P.I., holding, late hit out of bounds, and personal foul for talking trash.)

by Ewdtrey on Jun 9, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Richierich

I see what you are trying to say, and I agree with you. Brian Williams was clearly the best player in our secondary last season. I agree with you completely.

by Blair72 on Jun 9, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he was the best player in the secondary

at times during the year.
Mathis at times played well and so did Gerald Sensebaugh late in the year.
Brian Williams was pretty consistent though.

by Ewdtrey on Jun 9, 2009 4:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rashean?

4 interceptions, 2 returned for touchdowns…

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Jun 9, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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