Camp Battle 2009: Quarterbacks (and a comment on Michael Vick)

by FSBlueApocalypse on Jul 29, 2009 4:25 PM EDT in Camp Battles Comment 50 comments

Todd Bouman is currently the Jaguars back up quarterback. If Garrard goes down, can he be counted on to lead the Jaguars or should the team look to bring in another arm for camp?

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It wouldn't be the post-Mark Brunell Jaguars if questions about the quarterback position weren't being asked heading into training camp. The 2009 Jaguars have to answer them in bunches this year. Is David Garrard a one hit wonder? Can Todd Bouman be asked to do more than hand off to MJD in the event Garrard gets hurt? Will either Paul Smith or Todd Boeckman be more than practice squad caliber? Should the Jaguars bring in Michael Vick?

All of these questions need to be answered at some point, and their answers may well have the biggest impact on the Jaguars not only this season, but down the line as well.

David Garrard

Were David Garrard's 4th down heroics in Pittsburgh simply the final note of his one hit wonder season?

I'll spare recapping 2007 and 2008; what we want to know is can Garrard lead this team back to the playoffs. The common complaint about Garrard was that he regressed in 2008 compared to 2007. What do the numbers say?

	Yards Per Game	Completions Per Game	Quarterback Rating	Interceptions
2007	209	17	102.4	4
2008	226	21	81.7	13

While Garrard's completions and yards went up, his QB rating took a huge hit. This can be explained because of the Jaguars lack of a running threat compared to last year. Garrard had to be a one man show in 2008, and he did an admirable job considering the receivers he was throwing to.In addition, Garrard was the most hit QB in the league last year. A product of the Jaguars O-line and having to throw constantly from behind, that is never a good indicator. Overall though, I don't think Garrard's 2008 was as bad as others are making it out to be.

Heading into 2009, Garrard has to have a career year for all of the right reasons. Early reports are the Garrard is already making Torry Holt is "Go to" guy for 2009. If he can get in a groove with Holt and get some protection, he'll have a good year regardless.

BCC 2009 Projections
Yards: 3,400
Touchdowns: 19

Interceptions:9

QB Rating:91.4

Todd Bouman

Bouman should have been the Jaguars back up quarterback last year. However, thanks to a Shack Harris special, he was cut in favor of high priced Cleo Lemon. What does Bouman bring to the table? Not much on paper. Bouman only has six starts in his career and hasn't done anything to instill any confidence he can be effective for a 2-3 game stretch. If nothing else, Bouman represents a known commodity that will entrench him at the #2 quarterback.

Todd Boeckman

An Ohio State product who lost his starting job to mega-recruit Terrell Pryor, Boeckman wasn't much more than a "Game Manager" at the college level. He'll provide another arm in camp and probably not much more. He'll be competiting with Paul Smith for a practice squad spot.

Paul Smith

A BCC favorite, Smith spent almost the entire season on the Jaguars practice squad. Smith was activated for the final game against Baltimore. Smith's knowledge of the system, and frankly, better skills than Boeckman should get him another round on the practice squad, if not a chance to get on the active roster.

The question of Michael Vick

When Michael Vick was reinstated by Commissioner Roger Goodell, the can of worms that opened on the possible teams that Vick would end up playing for. The Jaguars, despite the record of Clean Gene, have been mentioned as a likely landing spot.

As it's illegal to mention Michael Vick and not say something as to his crime, here is my position. He committed a heinous act and murdered living beings for nothing better than blood sport. That being said, I believe Vick has served his punishment and is now due for a chance at redemption.

Should the Jaguars try to sign Vick? He would bring the Jaguars immense publicity, both good and bad. However, he has had issues prior to the dog fighting charges, such as flipping off the fans following the game. It seems his time in jail has humbled Vick, and I'm sure he'll be hungry to prove he's worth more than the slightly more than minimum deal he will sign.

Do I think the Jaguars will sign him? No. Would I welcome and support the Jaguars signing Vick? Absolutely.

The State of the Position

Let's hope David Garrard doesn't get hurt this season. If Garrard goes down, or proves that he was a one hit wonder, then the Jaguars hopes of a successful season go down with him. While Bouman showed he could come in to relieve Garrard for a short period, I'm not convinced he could come in and lead the Jaguars in a 3 game stretch like Quinn Gray did in 2007.

Boeckman and Smith will fight over the third QB spot, and hopefully in their competition, one can distinguish them self enough to be put on the 53 man roster. Either way, at a minimum, expect a good deal of attention to free agent or rookie quarterbacks by the Jaguars next off season.

-Jonathan

Poll

On a scale of 1-10 (10 being the QB position needs no improvement, 1 being the Jaguars might as well start a back up Arena League QB) how would you rate the Jaguars QB position going into camp?

10

10 votes

9

17 votes

8

72 votes

7

144 votes

6

78 votes

5

72 votes

4

35 votes

3

30 votes

2

11 votes

1

27 votes

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There is no question about Michael Vick

coming to the Jaguars. It is wasted time and space to write about it. Let’s get on to a discussion grounded in reality.

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by Tkopa on Jul 29, 2009 4:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I agree, I don't know why so many people think its worth discussing. The fanpost on Vick has been going crazy with comments.

The gave a woman herpes without telling her (and was sued for it), he lied to everyone (Art Blank, Commish, his coaches), he murdered dogs in heinous ways, and he broke the one rule the NFL hates more than any of that…

He led a gambling ring…

It is laughable to even discuss the possibility that Gene would bring in such filth after just finishing up his spring cleaning…

Note to everyone: Brett Farve has a better chance of playing in Jacksonville than Michael Vick does… please just stop… he hasn’t played in 2 years and probably sucks anyway. He was never a good QB and 2 years away from the game will not make him better… period.

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by silencecs on Jul 29, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I know this Vick discussion is waring everybody out, so I'll say one last thing.

Should Vick come to Jacksonville(as unlikely as it may be), I would fully support him and the team. I think the potential reward in signing Vick is bigger than the potential risk. I think he wants to prove the league wrong. I think he could be a good signing.

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by Bestjagfan on Jul 29, 2009 6:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I wish Harveyismyboy was here

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by Tkopa on Jul 29, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haha

Where you at Harvey. Stand up.

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by Bestjagfan on Jul 29, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

hmm...that reminds me

Vick is Superman

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by Surteal on Jul 30, 2009 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

haha

Thanks for the shoutout tkopa! I know, i havent had much tiime lately to get on here, but i squeezed in some today and i have another radical comment!!

I WANT MIKE VICK ON MY TEAM! listen, collin and all you others, you hate mike vick. i get it. he has done some of the dumbest shi* anyone could think of, he has messed up, bleh bleh bleh. Now here this side!

Mike vick has gone to prison for two years, had so much bad national media attention(deserved), and i gurantee thought about how bad he was as a person. he may have contemplated suicide? i mean, the guy has been through the toughest time anyone could go through! BUT, what do we as jacksonville and vick have to lose??? Vick, there is no denying, is one of the most gifted NFL players BY FAR! god created him with unbelievable athletic ability and to be able to get him for a bargain at Veteran minimum is absolutely ubsurd! sign him right now! I know we are all about character issues here in JAX, but i firmly believe that with all the thinking time he has had in hardtime, he is a changed man and he regrets his previous mistakes. Vick can only only go up, and has SO MUCH to prove, i think he would give us his complete all and we dont have a legit backup right now anyways! Please, a bargain for an extremely gifted NFL player? what do we have to lose? we dont sell tickets anyway.

by harveyismyboy on Jul 31, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I see your point, but I think Vick needs to be far far away from Atlanta and his old stomping grounds..

I could see him slipping back into trouble being so close to Atlanta. He is talented, but what will he be able to do after 2 years out of the game?

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by silencecs on Jul 31, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Away from the Vick discussion

How does everyone feel about the position in general? It’s obvious there is a wide range of opinions

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by FSBlueApocalypse on Jul 29, 2009 7:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Garrard

I have full confidence in. He played great last season, given his circumstances. His only bum game was against the Texans. Him and Greg Jones were the only offensive starters that didn’t make me throw my hat last season. Garrard still has a young arm and legs, and can still lead this team for another five years.

Bouman. He looked great against the third stringers last preseason, but so did Charles Sharon a few years back. I don’t think he could lead the team for any extended period of time… should Garrard go down, I would love for him to prove me wrong.

Boeckman. He actually has some potential for an UDFA. He isn’t all that mobile, but can pick up some garbage yards on broken plays. Has a good arm, and is accurate enough to be classified as a game manager. I think Boeckman should be kept around as this teams backup for the future.

Smith. He definitely fits the mold of the skinny quarterback who has a great understanding of football and can outsmart the offensive coordinator with his knowledge of the game. He offers potential as the future backup at the position as well. I would compare him to Senaca Wallace of the Seahawks, except Smith isn’t as fast and doesn’t have Wallace’s underrated arm strength.

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-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Jul 29, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cont.

Hit the enter key too fast. I think next year we need to find someone to start grooming to be the future starter. We have two potential backups in Boeckman and Smith. I’m a fan of Nate Davis, who was drafted in the fifth round out of Ball State by the 49ers. I bet they would be willing to give him up for cheap if Alex Smith turns in a good year this season. I think he would be worth all of a 6th or 7th round pick. He seems like a future Garrard.

I also think Daryl Clark and Hunter Pike could both offer potential. Both should be coming out this season, and both will probably be available in round 3/4. I’m not a fan of drafting quarterbacks high, these guys could be stars some day with a few years of grooming, and they come at a cheap price.

And, I’ve said before I’m a big fan of bringing in Vince Young for the right price. If he gets cut, or the Titans trade him for a 5th or up, I say jump on it.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Jul 29, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i love your analysis and i completely agree

i don’t know about the 5 years tho..3 for sure. With a good o-line then 5 is do-able

my new favorite is Dan LeFevour and i’m pretty sure that’s spelled right. It’s hard to find film on him, but youtube has some. I’m on vacation and the internet is slowwwwww or i’d look. check him out and let me know what you think if you got time

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by Surteal on Jul 30, 2009 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dan LeFevour

Looks pretty good to me. I remember his name being mentioned before. It’s hard to find full blown highlight or game tapes of him, but from what I could find, it looks like he has pretty good arm strength and accuracy. I also noticed he slides in the pocket well, and can make plays running the ball as well. Sounds like a good prospect to me. I’m gonna try to find more on him.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Jul 31, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nice analysis - but disagree on VY - head case and not a very good passer.

by OGN on Jul 31, 2009 7:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Please no Vince Young!

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by Tkopa on Jul 31, 2009 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Away from the Vick discussion

Garrard is starting hands down got the job and he will help Jags get to playoffs.

by Murmolaid on Jul 29, 2009 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Welcome to the site Murmolaid... hope to hear from you more in the future...

This is the premier spot for Jaguars’ talk on the net

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by silencecs on Jul 29, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks

I’ve been following but haven’t posted I’m a huge Jags fan but live in Southwest Florida, I really am hoping for atleast a .500 year and if lucky we get into the playoffs. I live all the blog posts keep it up and thanks for the welcome

by Murmolaid on Jul 29, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So are we!

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by Tkopa on Jul 29, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hoping for .500

and glad you are here!

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by Tkopa on Jul 29, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Really here's the question...

Todd Boughman or Quinn Grey? You guys tell me. You will remember 2007 we went what 3 games with Grey under center and that did not keep the Jags out of the play-offs. I think in todays game you can have only the starter (Garrard, not Vick!) and then the band-aid guy. If the starter goes down, band-aid guy comes in and you start looking at that goofy practice play where you had Matt Jones or in this case now, is it Miller (the new guy) as the next guy in line. After the game you go shopping for a QB. What’s Vick doing… washing cars? Give him a call.

by Jaghomer on Jul 29, 2009 9:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

what I'm saying is...

I don’t think planning on a disaster is good karma. Boughman back-up – Vick back-up… it doesn’t matter.

by Jaghomer on Jul 29, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

you konw what?

Quinn looked good against the Saints…i shoulda gone thats less than 2 hours away and my neighbor told me about his tickets on monday…still upset about that

anyway, grey was the only QB that brought out big games from Reggie. Do you guys remember? and then at the end against the Texans, Matt Jones had 100 plus and about two td’s if i remember correctly

i liked him….but i feel confident with Bouman for two games, nothing more. If he does prove us wrong, it’s a story to like

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by Surteal on Jul 30, 2009 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The position at QB blows.

I like David Garrard but everything behind him stinks. How anyone could rate the position as a whole over 5 is beyond insane.

On Vick: I still like the guy. He won’t be a Jaguar. But I want him to prove everyone wrong, do the right thing, stay with God, and make the biggest comeback not only as a football player but as a person of all time.

I’m praying for the guy and everyone else should too if they believe in a higher power. Pray for the team while you’re at it, maybe we’ll go far this year.

by Slvrgun on Jul 30, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

We haven't seen you in a long time

Welcome back.

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by Tkopa on Jul 30, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's the deadzone.

I been around chillin at the house getting ready for graduate school. I stop by every now and then to see what everyone is saying but I haven’t posted because there isn’t much to talk about IMO.

The time is coming though…preseason will be here soon.

Good to be back.

by Slvrgun on Jul 30, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Did You Find

Jesus while you were away?

;)

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Jul 30, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll always had...

Jesus…

I’m just not big on bible thumping….

I think everyone deserves a second chance especially if they find the strength to come to terms with their mistakes, associate with good people, and have faith.

by Slvrgun on Jul 30, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haha

Just messin bro. You just used the word “pray” three times in four lines.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Jul 30, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

question for everyone

we r judging micheal vick, now its okay for a woman to kill a child(abortion) but if u do somethin to a dog prison u go. the bible say judge not r u shall be judged, no one is perfect we all have done things wrong so those that have done nothin let him be the first to speak against micheal vick

by John1025 on Jul 30, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Our society would implode if we didn't judge.

by Slvrgun on Jul 30, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hi John and welcome

Have you been a regular reader and now decided to join? I hope so and we look forward to your participation.

Chris runs the site and he has been very good about keeping it to football. Now and then someone will touch on political or moral issues and the comments will explode and take a non-jaguar turn. It will run on forever and eventually get shut down and then deleted. I’m not saying we are against anything you say, we have just found it is better to keep it in a safe boundry of football discussion. The issue of Michael Vick, as you can read everywhere tends toward that type of discussion which is why Collin and I want to nip it off.

Again welcome.

- Terry

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by Tkopa on Jul 30, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

As much

As much as given much is required. In this case. Mike Vick deserves a second chance there are people who have done far worse and are still in the league. Now as for bringing moral issues into play this is not the place or the time for it. lets keep this focused on Jaguar football the best football around

When you are not the lead dog the view remains the same
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by jesusjagfan2009 on Aug 1, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yess jesus! we dont sell tickets anyway

by harveyismyboy on Aug 1, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Where are you when I need you?

Welcome back!

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by Tkopa on Aug 1, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

lead dog?!

i rolled at that

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by Surteal on Aug 1, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i want vick

its worth it .. he would be a god backup and maybe a starter next season if garrard chokes .. in 2 years if he is a backup .. we trade him for a good reciever :D

by kywitzki on Jul 30, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Vick!

He just spent a year in Leavenworth. This ain’t like in the movies where you see a bunch of guys workin’ out in the yard. Meals hardley enough to feed the body and 1 hour in a 24 × 24 box with a hoop and a basketball with a hole in it. Not to mention a shower every 3-4 days. It will take him 2 years just to recondition his body and that is if he has the discipline to do so. I will bet he doesn’t. So we may see his re-emergence when he’s 31. I would rather get that kid who’s 22 give him 2-3 years and go with that. Vick is just a news story. It isn’t real. I’ll bet by this time next year he will be a fading memory. Fact!

by Jaghomer on Jul 30, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tell you what...

I’d like to see his weight figures from camp of 2007 and now.

by Jaghomer on Jul 30, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It doesn't take long to recondition the body.

And his speed is still there. That doesn’t die until you either get injured very badly or you just get real old.

by Slvrgun on Jul 31, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

My .02

The Raiders released Andrew Walter, bring him as the back-up, hell even let him and Garrard have a good old fashion QB battle in camp. I think he would be a HUGE upgrade at the #2 QB spot, let alone make me and obviously many others feel better about the Jaguars quarterback situation.

by Cornfed on Jul 30, 2009 8:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs