James Harris: Reference Check from Jacksonville
Back in February the Lions hired your former GM to assist Martin Mayhew in the area of Player Personnel. James Harris' hiring slipped under the radar a bit as we were pretty busy arguing over the #1 draft choice. I went through your site and got a bit of the flavour of the Jaguar fans feelings about his tenure here.
I put up a fan post to get some reactions from my fellow Lions fans. Link here: http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2009/7/1/933247/james-harris-lions-player
My take on James Harris' hiring is that the Lions front office needs a lot of help and especially some new blood in their player selection process. Both in the draft and in free agency/trades. While Harris had some spectacular failures [Leftwich, Jones, R. Williams] he did do very well [in my opinion] overall in the draft. Comparing your second round picks to the Lions second round picks is like night and day.
In retrospect, do you think that James Harris will help Detroit to improve their player talent or not?
Thanks, I appreciate any feedback you can give me.
0 recs |
74 comments
Comments
Shack was either very good or very bad
He was good with finding value in the later rounds of the draft(MJD, Wilford, Clint Ingram,etc). However, with first round picks and free agents, well………..
Compared to Matt Millen, I’m sure Shack can help out the team,
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"-Bill Hicks
Currently Playing:
PS3-inFamous/NHL 09
360-Grand Theft Auto 4
by FSBlueApocalypse on Jul 3, 2009 9:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Uhh, Thanks......I think.
Saying that a GM is better than Millen is probably the lowest form of compliment that you could give a guy.
I noticed that Harris was brutal with Wide Receivers too. Although I see that you counted Ernest Wilford as a success. I did not know that. I checked his stats on NFL.com, yeah, pretty good for a late fourth round pick.
Thanks.
by NorthLeft12 on Jul 3, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the offrensive side of the team
Shack draft choices and Free Agency choices have produced MINIMAL to NO value in the NFL. Byron Leftwich – no trade offers. Reggie Williams – No Job, Matt Jones – No Job. Kahlif Barnes – Small offer from Oakland. Dennis Northcutt – Trade for a guy with a broken neck. Marcedes Lewis – Dumb as a rock. Jerry Porter – No job.
Maurice Jones Drew was a blind pig finding an acorn.
On the Defense – We don’t know how much Jack Del Rio got involved. The draft choices and free agency here have been better.
In short, James Harris does not consider intelligence a factor when drafting and he gets mesmorized with numbers not players. Dennis Northcutt will catch 44 balls for 600 yards. The rest of your draft this year will probably not pan out.
In my opinion, he has already had a negative impact on your team.
Big Cat Country!:: The Official Home of the Unofficial Blog of the Jacksonville Jaguars!
by Tkopa on Jul 3, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, It is sometimes hard to figure out who is the driving force on player selection.
Some teams, like New England [Bellichick], Miami [Parcells], Oakland [Davis], Colts [Polian], Ravens [Newsome], Bengals [Mike Brown], are pretty obvious. Others right now like Detroit, Steelers, Jacksonville, are not as clear.
I personally admire the Steelers and Giants selections. They seem to pick players who fit their organization, are great value, and generally fill a need.
The Millen era here was a one man show. What a freaking disaster.
I hope you are wrong about our draft. I am mixed about it. I like Stafford at #1, but we bypassed some great value picks at #20 and #33. Don’t get me wrong, Pettigrew and Delmas will be excellent contributors, but I thought we should have taken Oher or Beatty in one of those spots.
We will see in a few years. Nowhere to go but up!
by NorthLeft12 on Jul 3, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone
close to this program now knows Gene Smith is the man. He “has the conn,” according to Del Rio.
Personally I really liked your draft. I thought the Pettigrew pick was ingenious. I agree that Oher had some value in that range, but to me Pettigrew was rated higher anyhow.
Second, the chances are you are going to be in the bottom of the league next year too. You might as well get next years top LT.
Third, Pettigrew is an excellent blocker. Putting him along side of Backus or Gosder(Who I thought was a horrible pick that high in the draft.), makes either one of them better than any OT in the league.
by Ewdtrey on Jul 3, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with picking an LT in 2010.........
We have a gaping hole in our defensive line at the Tackle spots. We could use a good end too.
2010 is a very good draft for DTs , DEs, and LTs. I was hoping they could have addressed one of those with the #20 or #33 pick this year.
I agree with you that we are likely to have one of the top seven picks in 2010. We just have a lot of holes to fill and I thought that a TE was more of a luxury than a need.
We will see how things turn out.
Thanks for the comments.
by NorthLeft12 on Jul 3, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also trust me
you don’t want Beatty. He looked really good at the senior bowl, or at least his feet did. Turn the tape on though. He just gets mauled by anyone with any power.
by Ewdtrey on Jul 3, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Word
He doesn’t like to get his uniform dirty.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
by Bestjagfan on Jul 3, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Dude, it’s kind of funny how you get these impressions of people, and then you see their picture and realize it’s completely different.
by Blair72 on Jul 9, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's true
for instance there are some radio personalities that I listen to all the time, and I don’t want to know what they look like because I usually like what I imagine better. haha
P.S. I’m assuming you’re referring to my pic. It’s a few years old now. It was the only decent one I had at the time that didn’t need to be cropped.
by Ewdtrey on Jul 9, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's ok
people have hard telling who/what I am, when I’m staring them in the face. I’m an athlete, musician, and physicists; but whatever role I’m in, people have a hard time seeing me in another one. It was one of my goals in life to be well rounded. I have to admit, I’m not great at everything I do; but I’m working at it. haha
by Ewdtrey on Jul 9, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like looking at life that way
through roles
LateRoundPick.com
by Surteal on Jul 9, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Good NFL Organization will make him a better Player
IF [the biggest factor] the individual wants to become successful in the NFL a good coaching staff will help him get there. Strength and weight training will help a great deal. From what I have read about Beatty, he has great technique, excellent athleticism, is intelligent, and was successful at college against some pretty tough competition. There were questions about his strength and passion though.
I think the Giants got a steal and in a few years he will be a key part of their offensive line.
by NorthLeft12 on Jul 9, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where they drafted
him, he was a steal.
by Ewdtrey on Jul 9, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey hey
Marcedes Lewis is no dummy. He’s underperformed for a first round pick so far, but he’s no dummy. And he’s not a bust.
During Harris’ tenure he could be considered as somewhere in the 20-25 area in terms of how he did in comparison to the rest of the NFL.
by Ewdtrey on Jul 3, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
During that same era Millen was somewhere between 31 - 32.
I’m leaning to the 32 side.
by NorthLeft12 on Jul 3, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Word (Again)
I’ve been hard on Marcedes in the past, but he really is one of my favorite Jaguars. He has been a success for this team, and I really see him catching 60 passes next year as well.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
by Bestjagfan on Jul 3, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think there is any way Marcedes will catch 60 passes next year.
We aren’t going to pass the ball as much as last year in my opinion, because our running game will not only be back to form but dominant. The extra throws are going to be going either to Holt if anyone. Garrard is going to lean heavily on Holt this season, and I think it might end up leading to at least a few picks.
by Blair72 on Jul 3, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I trust in
the rookies and they will get the chance to prove. The Northcutt-trade show me just that.
The running game with a healthy O-line, and a HEALTY MANUWAI might be a bigger factor then many thinking now.
As to Lewis, I think he won’t get 60 passes. But slowly he is facing the “make or break” period in his career. Sadly, but i agree with Terry, he can end up as another Harris bust…
by Zoltan from Budapest on Jul 3, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
But I don’t expect Holt to catch 300 passes. Unless Mike W has a breakout year, I think Marcedes could have a breakout season of his own. Somebody has to catch dem passes.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
by Bestjagfan on Jul 3, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering
how much shorter our receiving core is now, Marcedes may be a TD maker this year; especially now that he wont have to stay in as often to block.
by Ewdtrey on Jul 4, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ironic how we drafted a Pass catching TE
but ended up with a blocking TE, O well.
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
by TheTealDeal on Jul 11, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mercedes is as dumb as a rock
All that talent and needs individula coaching and still doesn’t get it. He is the next to go, watch and see.
Big Cat Country!:: The Official Home of the Unofficial Blog of the Jacksonville Jaguars!
by Tkopa on Jul 3, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would give him
one last chance to prove himself. Anyway he is slowly expires his contract(after 2010), so he has make or break years ahead of him.
by Zoltan from Budapest on Jul 3, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has the ability
I just always wonder when David was running for his life, why couldn’t he find Marcedes?
Big Cat Country!:: The Official Home of the Unofficial Blog of the Jacksonville Jaguars!
by Tkopa on Jul 3, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of times
he would be blocking or he would be open, but Garrard would often play it safe and throw it away instead.
by Ewdtrey on Jul 4, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely no offense - but I believe that a change in ownership is what you guys
desperately need. Bascially, any change in the Lions mgt would be an improvement. Shack Harris is ok but not spactacular in my view. His drafts are riddled with 1st round busts so beware. His FA’s were marginal. You have a mediocre GM in Shack, which is better than one that flat out stinks.
by OGN on Jul 3, 2009 11:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Amen to that OGN
Not sure how you feel about our new coach [Schwartz] but I see him as a huge improvement over our last few coaches. In my lifetime, Bobby Ross was the best coach the Lions have ever had.
And we drove him crazy after only a couple of years.
Hopefully Schwartz stays longer and does better.
by NorthLeft12 on Jul 3, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Schwartz
Good luck with Detroit and congratulations on being true to your team. I commend you on that.
Shack is not great. I hope you get an upgrade.
Te zach miller will catch a lot of balls for the Jags. And guys, we can’t forget my new favorite we. Jarett dillard!
LateRoundPick.com
by Surteal on Jul 4, 2009 12:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not Good For Lions
If Harris, the Inept DPP, ever learns how to judge players based solely on their talent, he’ll do alright.
However, I seriously doubt he’ll ever change. Weaver, canning the Inept DPP, was one of the best moves he made for the Jags.
by JagRoar on Jul 4, 2009 12:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I keep hearing some of you guys call him inept/incompetent
As an outsider looking in [I’m not defending the guy] is a lot of the anger over the last season? Or is it the three straight first round busts with the Porter and Northcutt signings?
I see a stellar record in the second round, some useful first rounders, plus some other nice late round pick ups. You let some players go in free agency that would have been nice to keep, but was that on Harris or someone else?
Do you think your team was successful in spite of Harris or do you think the bad outweighs the good. I am getting mixed comments and some guys just say he sucks and leave it at that.
by NorthLeft12 on Jul 4, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The bottom line is
that he’ll help you out. Where your lucky is that his weaknesses are not a huge need for you, like WR. He did ok IMO with the big guys. I still like Harvey and Hayward. I also like G Uche Nwaneri (Starter worthy in the 5th) and G Vince Manuwai (a Third round pick, that happens to be one of the best in the league).
by Ewdtrey on Jul 4, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did not know how the two Guards turned out
I heard about the problems the Jags had last year on the O Line due to injuries, so I did not know how Nwaneri worked out. I guess Manuwai was one of your O Line casualties.
If I throw those two guys in the good pick column I get 14 “starters” out of 44 picks from 2003 to 2007. I think it is too early to judge last years picks.
I looked at 2000, 2001, and 2002 Jaguar drafts I get 7 “starters” out of 30 picks. I would not try and judge the quality of those players. You guys would know better than me.
I know Millen is a horribly low bar, but Harris’ record is miles ahead of that. We will see how he works out.
Thanks again and Happy Independence Day from a Canuck.
by NorthLeft12 on Jul 4, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Uche Nwaneri turned out to be pretty good by the end of the year. He was young when the year started though. He played some DT in college before switching to Center, and far as I know, the first time he started at Guard was at the beginning of last year, when he was thrown in at the last min. I think people forget this, but he also hurt his knee in that first game, and that may have had an effect on him early on.
Getting your lines up to par will keep you in most games, and it should help you win at least half of them; assuming everything else is at least average. So once you reach a plateau in about 4 years, then you can find someone else to put you over the top.
by Ewdtrey on Jul 4, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's Good
Evaluating defense. Daryl Smith was a second rounder, Rashean Mathis, Clint Ingram, Justin Durant is from a small school…
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
by Bestjagfan on Jul 4, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something tells me
that the LB picks were heavily influenced by JDR.
by Ewdtrey on Jul 4, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Word
I think Del Rio got the blame from the offensive picks, but really, have we had any defensive busts that Del Rio has drafted.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
by Bestjagfan on Jul 5, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Clint Ingram go to Oklahoma?
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"-Bill Hicks
Currently Playing:
PS3-inFamous/NHL 09
360-Grand Theft Auto 4
by FSBlueApocalypse on Jul 4, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
but what does that have to do with anything?
by Ewdtrey on Jul 4, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Easier to find
Everyone knee about him
LateRoundPick.com
by Surteal on Jul 4, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BJF said he went to a smaller school. If Oklahoma is a small school, then please define what a top tier program is.
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"-Bill Hicks
Currently Playing:
PS3-inFamous/NHL 09
360-Grand Theft Auto 4
by FSBlueApocalypse on Jul 4, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was referring to Durrant - who went to Hampton college in VA,
A div 1-AA scholl (I refuse to acknowledge the bcs / fcs bull). But you had the three ring circus going on here in Jax – Shack, Smith, and JDR. It is assumed that all 3 had input and it was more of a consensus operation with Shack having final say. Now it is clear that Gene is calling the player personnel shots and it seems to working much better.
Shack is an upgrade for Lions who will improve things but eventually they will probably need someone else to get to next level.
by OGN on Jul 4, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Just Durant and Mathis on that one. Should’ve worded that one better.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
by Bestjagfan on Jul 5, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harris
My frustration with Shack is attributed to several different things. Comparatively, and I know it is WAY too early to judge, Gene Smith has done wonders in his first draft. The picks make me feel like we overachieved in the draft, when I always had a million questions about our picks in the Shack era. Shack was more interested in acquiring picks at skill positions in the first round, particularly wide receiver. You look at the picks, it goes Leftwich, R. Williams, M. Jones, M. Lewis, Nelson, and then Harvey. The first four are at skill positions. Nelson and Harvey are Gators, which to me begs the question, “Were they picked for talent or for their talent and because they went to Florida?”
I believe Harvey of course was targeted since we moved up to get him. But in the case of Nelson, I think it was dumb of us to pass on Brady Quinn twice. It doesn’t matter whether Quinn pans out or not, because nobody knew any of that at the time.
The frustration with Shack has nothing to do with last season’s failures, in my mind. It is the repeated failures of first round draft picks…the guy who was picked too early and was a reach (Williams), the guy who was drafted as a 1st round developmental project (does that even sound like it makes sense?), the lack of attention to deteriorating talent on the lines that went unaddressed for years, the high priced free agents for players that should have never been compared to the likes of Randy Moss (Porter), and the inability to trust in his head coach. Also, need I say that all of these guys had character issues or made very poor decisions? Must I bring up Khalif Barnes who is a complete and total worthless piece of a human being (Read my old posts if you don’t know what I’m talking about). Of course, I didn’t even bring up Drayton Florence or Cleo Lemon (who really was horrible). It’s sad to say that players from our team gets cut or leave via free agency only to find nobody wants them. It’s sad. We hang on to players in an attempt to develop when they only team they should see playing time with is my old high school.
Shack let our lines get old while chasing after wide receivers and attempting to fill holes with our first round picks and drafting out of need. One could argue that Gene Smith drafted out of need with Eugene Monroe, but was there ever ANY doubt that he was the best available player at the time? That would be a negative. Gene seems to know how to wheel and deal. Shack, I never could understand what he was thinking or why he did some of the things he did. The one piece of gold he struck was in MJD, and we even passed on him the first time. Maybe if we would have taken MJD in the first, we could have struck gold again on someone else in the 2nd, since it’s the only round we seemed to be good at.
1st round picks are like gold. We have seemingly squandered every one of them. Out of our first round picks in the last 6 years, 3 are gone, and the only player of the three remaining that I think we could even trade to recoup a first round pick on is Harvey. This is only since he is one year into his professional career and is largely an unknown at this point. Marcedes Lewis is worth what if we were to trade today? A 5th at best? That’s kind of my opinion on his worth. Nelson we could probably get a 2nd for, but only maybe. I feel I’m being too optimistic on that one. Where are our first round picks that we can let leave in free agency and appreciate the compensatory picks? Where’s our franchise players? Where are the players we can deal and pick up a couple 1st rounders and some late round picks as well?
Shack and Jack benefited mostly from the players who were already a part of the team when they got here, and since players like Deion Grant and Donovan Darius have departed (those are only two quick examples) our defense has been in decline. I think my comment has gotten long enough. We get the point.
Feel free to post counter-arguments my peoples…..
by Blair72 on Jul 6, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent comment. I can feel your pain.
I really liked Eugene Monroe. I had him as the number one LT. Good break for the Jags to get him at #8. Britton was good value at #39, but for your needs what about Max Unger instead? Knighton, Cox, Thomas, and Dillard were all fine picks. Filling needs and good value as well. The last three guys? Who knows?
I agree totally about the Matt Jones pick. That had fail written on it from day one. I just don’t get why some GMs would even think of taking a project in round one. That is a real head scratcher.
I think your criticism of Harris regarding passing on MJD in the first round is harsh. You should be praising him for having the patience to let him fall into your spot in the second round. That is the sign of a good GM. The bad ones get excited and draft them a round or two ahead of their valuation.
by NorthLeft12 on Jul 6, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You hit a great point
The lines were never ignored under Coughlin. Horribly ignored under Shack and Jack.
Big Cat Country!:: The Official Home of the Unofficial Blog of the Jacksonville Jaguars!
by Tkopa on Jul 6, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post Blair
Should be taken az a invidual comment. We will see if really Shack was the problem (I hope this scenario will be reality) We will see, if Jack can hit the reset button as the defensive guru with the defense with these guys. I read (I mean many of) your comments and some other publications, it seems to me his seat getting warmer and warmer. I think first ever since he is the head coach he will face gigantic pressure. I’m interested how he can handle it.
by Zoltan from Budapest on Jul 6, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please
If anyone here blames Harris solely for the busts of this team ur a complete idiiot….Someone evaluated these players and put them on our board along with others….Who might you ask? The scouting department!!!! Which is still here….DOnt get me wrong some final choices turned out bad…But it wasnt like the scouting department didn’t have them up there….Harris didnt scout everyone of these players sure he looked at numbers but who gave him the numbers….Do you think Harris was out there for evry player by himself with a stopwatch? The Jags will do much better with a complete revision of the scouting department….
by kingsmasher on Jul 6, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what if the scouts, or Gene Smith, had other players ranked higher and they weren't drafted in that order
You do not know all and I don’t either but before you make it out to the scouts being bad, let’s consider other scenarios
What if the scout who scouted Reggie Williams told James Harris that Reggie had been caught with drugs but the local cops let it slide. What if said scout then gave Reggie a late first/early second grade with a final tag that said similar talent could be found undrafted, but would need a year of development. Shack Harris then proceeds to get Byron a tough WR, because he read it in a magazine in the bathroom. So Reggie is drafted with the 8th—i think, my history may be off a few picks.
What if all i just said was wrong? We don’t know. You may be right, i may be right. What we do know is that the picks were decided as a group and then Shack got the final call. Too much money wasted and someone needs to get fired. Yeah his second rounders were good, whether influenced by JDR or not, BUT the major issue is money. He was the number one man accountable for the first rounders that busted and the FA’s that busted. That’s a loss in revenue and a loss in job due to poor performance.
That is what we know.
LateRoundPick.com
by Surteal on Jul 6, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh Surteal
That comment was refreshing.
by Blair72 on Jul 6, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot to mention
that the Shack scouting department was purged as well.
Big Cat Country!:: The Official Home of the Unofficial Blog of the Jacksonville Jaguars!
by Tkopa on Jul 6, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had the same issue with Millen and the scouting department in Detroit
It is impossible to know exactly how the rating and decision making for the drafting of players went down.
I had a hard time believing that Millen came up with all of these poor picks himself. Especially since the Lions draft record before Millen was somewhat suspect. I tend to agree with ks, I think [in our case] it is a scouting department problem that was made even worse when Millen threw his brainstorms into the mix. I don’t know how else to explain the Lions drafting DeAndre Levy in the third round when almost every pre draft scouting report had him sixth or seventh round?
I would think a good organization would look back on how they ranked the prospects a few years later to see if they could improve their scouting and decision making. Also to compare their scouts performance to actual results. I get reviewed on my job performance every year, why shouldn’t everyone?
by NorthLeft12 on Jul 6, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well put
and Terry, I didn’t know our scouts got fired. Could you tell me about it?
LateRoundPick.com
by Surteal on Jul 7, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Shack left, a lot of people were let go.
Here is a quote from the AP from January
Harris and the Jaguars parted ways before the season finale. Several members of his regime were also fired in a front office shake up. Assistant director of pro personnel Larry Wright, executive scout Art Perkins and Harris’ assistant, Lori Mason, were fired this week.
Big Cat Country!:: The Official Home of the Unofficial Blog of the Jacksonville Jaguars!
by Tkopa on Jul 7, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for bringing that up
i never knew
LateRoundPick.com
by Surteal on Jul 7, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regime Change!
Frankly, that makes sense to me. If you were not happy with the results of a certain department/division, a good organization would purge more than just the top man.
Here in Detroit we are keeping a close eye on Mayhew and Lewand as they were hand picked by Millen. Personally I would have flushed them all and started clean.
by NorthLeft12 on Jul 8, 2009 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shack
was not a good GM – he made some good 2nd and 3rd round picks but his 1st round busts have been really bad…..Leftwich, Matt Jones, Reggie Williams, Reggie Nelson, Marcedes Lewis – UGGGGHHHHH – you can have him
Chad
by chadguar on Jul 6, 2009 8:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If you send us Reggie Nelson I will be okay with that.
Whats wrong with Nelson? Looked like he had a fine season in 2007. Maybe he dropped off a bit in 2008 but so did the whole defence.
by NorthLeft12 on Jul 6, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Word
Nelson should be a Pro Bowler in a few years.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
by Bestjagfan on Jul 6, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who would you trade Reggie Nelson for?
Big Cat Country!:: The Official Home of the Unofficial Blog of the Jacksonville Jaguars!
by Tkopa on Jul 6, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Their first round draft pick in next year's draft
And Reggie can go to join Shack (and Dennis)
by Zoltan from Budapest on Jul 6, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really want the 1st overall pick next year?
Economically that doesn’t seem smart.
by SoCalStites on Jul 7, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gene can use it for trade it for
to tons of extra picks. Or for super, quality players
by Zoltan from Budapest on Jul 7, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
trade it for that nice contract Matthew "don't call me matt" Stafford and his big "canon' arm got
WOW! i wouldve drafted anybody else. Maybe i’m holding on to something that’s gone, but the guy got more than both Mannings, Brady, McNabb, Palmer, Warner, Lemon all of them
LateRoundPick.com
by Surteal on Jul 7, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, we don't need Nelson now. chadguar seemed to want to give him away.
We drafted Louis Delmas, our FS of the future.
Oh, by the way, if you want the first pick in the draft please direct your calls to Cleveland or Oakland.
KC, St. Louis, and even Denver have a shot as well. The Lions are a possibility too but we would keep it for a Left Tackle or Defensive Tackle.
by NorthLeft12 on Jul 7, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nelson showed his weaknesses
He’s super athletic, but he may not have watched enough film last year. He made a few really dumb decisions, like the one against the Browns. But generally speaking he made good decisions against the wrong QB’s (Manning for instance). Which makes me think that he wasn’t dumb like many people seem to think. Even I thought that for a while. But really he just didn’t know his competition well enough, and that comes with more film room time. There was also a couple situations where he got over excited last year against the run, but that is coachable. And I think with an improvement from the front 4 he could learn to trust his teammates more, which is huge for a safety and a defense in general.
by Ewdtrey on Jul 7, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Thanks to the BigCatCountry community.
Before this FanPost sinks into oblivion [off the front page], I wanted to take a moment to thank you all for your comments and responses to my questions. I learned a lot about your team and our new PPD.
Heres hoping we meet in the Super Bowl.
by NorthLeft12 on Jul 9, 2009 11:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if that happens this year
i will buy a ticket and sit next to you….
hold me to it
LateRoundPick.com
by Surteal on Jul 9, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was nice
reading another mans perspective of his own team in a different situation. I don’t think we are all that different of teams. We are both changing GM’s and we are both getting new and better personnel at a high rate. We’re just happen to be further along.
by Ewdtrey on Jul 10, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well as long as your expectations are low
They’ll be met and hopefully for you exceeded.
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
by TheTealDeal on Jul 11, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

by 


















