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Will Monroe be in camp?

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Will Monroe be in camp?


It's finally here.  The 2009 Jacksonville Jaguars will report to training camp on Sunday, bringing to an end what was quite possibly the most painful offseason in Jaguars history.  We've seen Fred Taylor leave the team and go to the New England Patriots, something that will look dreadful when the Jaguars face the Patriots on December 27th.  We saw the release of nearly the entire crop of 2008 free agents and most of the Jaguars wide receivers leave.  Jerry Porter, Matt Jones, and Reggie Williams all still unemployed, though I'd argue that Matt Jones still has a chance to do well, somewhere.

We saw James Harris leave the team and the rise of Gene Smith, he which we must trust to make all the right decisions, as he has final say in nearly everything.  It's unclear as to whether Jack Del Rio will still get to pick his sideline attire, or if that too comes from an edict from above.  Of course, I say this will all due respect, as I've been OK with just about every move that Smith has made since taking the conn.

The good news is that the majority of our draft picks are signed (more on that to come), there were no significant injuries during the OTA season, and the offseason passed with no arrests, off the field incidents, or distractions.  While I hate talking about it, when the biggest offseason storyline is a struggle to sell tickets, we're doing all right. 

Three Burning Questions:

1. Will Eugene Monroe, our first round pick, be in camp on time with a reasonable contract?   Jason Smith  signed a $62 million contract with $33 million in guaranteed money. Basically equivalent to the 5 year, 57 million dollar contract with 30 million guaranteed.  That sets the bar for offensive linemen.  The Raiders signed Wide Receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey, selected 7th overall, to a $23.5 million guaranteed and $38.25 million in base salary with a maximum value of $54 million.  This sets the cap for Monroe in the slotting order.  Derrick Harvey, selected 8th overall last season, signed for t $17.175 million in guaranteed money, $23.8 million before incentives and $33.4 million in total potential money. 

So the Jaguars will look to sign Monroe for closer to 19-20 million in guaranteed money, Monroe and his agent will push for 21-22 million, and they'll find a common ground in the middle.  Will that be accomplished by Sunday?  Highly doubtful.  I don't expect a long holdout, but it's likely that he'll miss the first few days.  This is why we have Tra Thomas.

 

2.  Will the Wide Receivers continue to develop?  Who is Chad Owens and who is the next Jimmy Smith or Keenan McCardell?  Who will get alligator arms when Reggie Nelson is closing and who goes over the middle and takes the hit?  We can speculate all day long about the receivers and what they could do, but once the pads are in play and the lights are on, all bets are off.  I've got faith that this group is going to turn into something special, especially with Mike Walker being healthy and ready for his 3rd season, but we'll have to see.

3. Do we escape the injuries.  After last season, every snap, every play, every throw and every awkward fall and twist will terrify me.  While Camp Del Rio will be more intense than we're used to, I'd like to see this team go into week one with a healthy roster that can surprise some folks, not one that is hobbled and wounded. 

What's on your mind on the Friday before camp?

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Monroe is not going to be in camp..

Looking at the reality that is last years $$ and this year… Monroe is going to be looking for a lot more than a raise over Harvey since there was such a drop-off from 7 to 8 last season…. We know the Jags aren’t going to give him anything over $40M for 5 years with $20M guaranteed so I’d be surprised to see him for a while. :(

2008
6 NY Jets Vernon Gholston – DE 5 year $50 million contract with $20 million guaranteed
7 New Orleans Sedrick Ellis – DT 5 year $49 million contract with $19.5 million guaranteed
8 Jacksonville Derrick Harvey – DE 5 year $33.4 million contract with $17.175 million guaranteed

2009
6 Cincinnati Andre Smith – OT
7 Oakland Darius Heyward-Bey – WR 5 year $54 million contract, $23.5 million guaranteed
8 Jacksonville Eugene Monroe – OT

by pksiv on Jul 31, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Update...

NFL.com now lists DHB’s contract as $38.25M, not $54M…. HUGE difference.

5 years, $38.25 million ($23.5M guaranteed)

by pksiv on Aug 3, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Jaguars have to swallow $21 million guaranteed

I know Monroe does not wanta hold out and I know Gene doesn’t either but that #8 spot is a tough one to be in.

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by Tkopa on Jul 31, 2009 2:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Jaguars didn't give into the high end of Harvey's demands in 2008 when they were spending money like drunken sailors

What makes you think they’ll give Monroe $21 million guaranteed?

Cast your votes for the Jaguars 15th anniversary here

by FSBlueApocalypse on Jul 31, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Salary drop from #5 to #6 to #7 down to #10 is about $1.5mil to $2 mil each step

The Jaguars had Harvey agree to a $2.4 million drop from #7 to #8. That was a big drop when Ellis agreed to a $1.5 mil drop just ahead of him. The Jaguars won that negotiation..

Assuming they do that again this year, $2.5 million down from DHB is $21 million. The top 5 positions drop fast, around $3mil each, but after 5 it slows down until it levels out at $1mil per spot around #10.

$21 mil will sound like a concession to Monroe’s agent, below that and he won’t feel he is doing a good job and risks losing next years crop because he can’t negotiate. $21mil guaranteed gets both sides to the table, unless the Jaguars really hold the line hard. With BJ Raji and Crabtree right behind, the floor below may give away before the Jaguars can get a deal.

That is at least my logic behind the number. Raji signing at $20mil guaranteed forces the Jaguars hand. It will all end soon.

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by Tkopa on Jul 31, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good points.

We’ll see how the Raji and Crabtree signings go. As we all know, Crabtree is almost a lock to be the holdout player of the year. On the other hand, Athletes First (represents Raji), is not known for holdouts. However, considering the dominance of CAA in this year’s first round, Athletes First will likely want higher contracts in order to secure clients for the next few years. Sounds like fun.

by Kbot on Jul 31, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

If the Jaguars want Monroe in camp, I think it is $21 mil. If they are ok with a holdout, they might get below that. I don’t know where their minds are at. $20.5 mil is about a 20% increase. That is hard to swallow. I don’t know where this is going other than a new CBA.

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by Tkopa on Jul 31, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

quick thought

Would it hurt a DE more to holdout ( D. Harvey) or an OT more? At this stage I think Monroe is more NFL ready than Harvey was at this time last year so I don’t see a short holdout hurting him at all. Also very anxious to see and hear how Rashad Jennings does in camp…

by tcash502 on Jul 31, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

True

but any weakness in Monroe could really hurt either Garrard or MJD.

by Ewdtrey on Jul 31, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, unlike Harvey, the Jaguars have a safety net at OT with Thomas

Where as Harvey knew the Jaguars wanted him bad

Cast your votes for the Jaguars 15th anniversary here

by FSBlueApocalypse on Jul 31, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HMM

Don’t think that Monroe will hold out. Unlike last year with Harvey. Gene made sure that we had a back up plan and essentially Gene holds the cards because any contract that is signed is going to include incentives that can only be met with playing time. And if Monroe holds out i don’t see him getting that playing time with a 16 year all pro ahead of him in Thomas

by jesusjagfan2009 on Jul 31, 2009 5:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Chris, I don't think anyone captured the off season like you did

When I read your articles I always think, wow, right on target.

The only thing I will add to training camp burning questions is this: How will Jck Del Rio react to the feeling of last season and how will he change as a person. Last year was either a tremendous growth opportunity or the start of a decline he doesn’t know how to pull out of. This season will be the profile of a man on the hot seat.

Big Cat Country!:: The Official Home of the Unofficial Blog of the Jacksonville Jaguars!

by Tkopa on Jul 31, 2009 11:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Something Interesting From Kuharsky's Interview

Mike Smith referred to JDR as a teacher and implied that last year he may have removed himself from that role. Considering how emotional JDR is I can’t imagine him taking to any distance from being a teacher.

The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall.
Vince Lombardi

by bwfull on Jul 31, 2009 11:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It probably had something to do with

Greg Williams. Williams seems a bit like it’s my way or it’s not gonna get done at all, type of character.

by Ewdtrey on Aug 1, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are y ready for some foooooooooooootbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall!!!!!!!!

i know I am, and my boys out their are too…… THE DEAD ZONE IS OVERRRRRRR!!!!!!!! LETS GO JAGUARS!!!!!!!!!!!!

frankDUBZ aka Frank Silba

by FRANKdubz on Aug 1, 2009 2:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

*there

frankDUBZ aka Frank Silba

by FRANKdubz on Aug 1, 2009 2:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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