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Tony Pashos leads a group of players who continue to underperform. Pashos was penalized, and allowed 2 sacks, as the Jaguars offensive line was a major culprit in the teams awful play.

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Tony Pashos leads a group of players who continue to underperform. Pashos was penalized, and allowed 2 sacks, as the Jaguars offensive line was a major culprit in the teams awful play.

The Jaguars were handily beaten by the Miami Dolphins on Monday night, and the game raised more questions than it answered.  I'll examine the players who performed well, and those who faltered in Monday's season opener. 

Losers:

Tony Pashos: The veteran gave up two clear sacks and was penalized on at least one occasion during the game. He is abover average in the run game, but was beaten badly time and time again. I'm not sure he would make a great guard either, and I think his salary is too much for an average guard. Maybe he'll prove me wrong, but he sure isn't showing any improvement as a RT, especially in the passing game. Something needs to be done about the RT position, Tony is not an adequate pass blocker. Period.

Uche Nwaneri/ Brad Meester/ Mo Williams: The starting interior trio wasn't able to allow Garrard enough time to pass, and couldn't open up lanes for MJD or Greg Jones. There is less concern here, because once Vinny comes back to RG, Uche will be able to head back to the bench. Uche is a great back-up, but there is a significant drop-off between Vince Manuwai and Uche, however, Manuwai is a premier guard, so that is to be expected. 

Greg Estandia: Greg didn't do a lot to help his case in a crowed TE position. He was called for a penalty, and got very little separation even against the 3rd and 4th stringers of the Miami defense.

Greg Jones: The vet didn't show much in the running or passing game. He dropped passes, and looked nothing like the Greg of old. The line wasn't much help, but he looked very pedestrian in his first outing of the season, as did much of the team.

Brian Williams: The crafty veteran looked bad. He was flagged for penalty after penalty, and was beaten badly on more than one occasion. There is no question the acquisition of Derek Cox is looking like a much better gamble after Monday's game. Hopefully Derek will beat out Brian at some point in the season, and Williams can move to the nickel spot, where he would be much better suited (He'd be closer to the line of scrimmage to help in run defense). His salary is too high to play a nickel corner, so this may be the last season we have B-Dub around. He must improve over Monday's game, though.

Special Teams: Russ' unit looked atrocious. The kickoff coverage now uses the bunch formation (which is where everyone bunches behind the kicker and breaks apart as the ball is about to be kicked). This is amateur hour stuff, folks. It is a tactic that is used to try to confuse the return team's blockers, however, it seemed to have the opposite effect. Scobee made all his FG's, but the punting was inconsistent. The kickoff coverage was the main culprit here, and with the new wedge-ban in effect, it should make it easier on kickoff units to stop returns from going the distance. 

Winners:

Nate Hughes: The second-year burner at WR continued to make his case for a roster spot, and it is a strong one. Nate has had a great camp, and that carried over into the preseason opener. He showed good speed and route running, and caught the ball with his hands, literally snatching it out of the air on one occasion. At a weak position, he may be a valuable find. 

Eugene Monroe: "The Future" was dominant on Monday, shutting down the defensive ends the entire time he was in the game. He looked solid against the run, but most importantly, he looked like he belonged on an NFL field. The best case scenario involves Eugene starting the season at LT and Tra starting it at RT... Eugene needs to be starting, and if he continues to perform like he did on Monday, the coaching staff is going to have hard time keeping him off the field.

Tra Thomas: The newly acquired Tra Thomas looked sharp on Monday, and shows that Gene Smith knows how to scout offensive linemen. Tra needs to be on the field, and his run-blocking looked consistently strong. He's got remarkably good feet for someone his age, and he needs to be playing at RT over Pashos. 

Russell Allen: Wow... Talk about answering the call of duty. Russell was called in to play MLB for Justin Durant when he was sidelined with a hip problem. Allen responded with 4 tackles and one pass defended. He did a good job of getting the defense into position and calling the plays. We may be looking at one of our future LB's here...

Montavius Stanley/Atylliah Ellison: Both made their case for solving the DT problem by stopping the run. Ellison seems to be the better of the two on the line, however, the importance of Stanley's blocked extra point can't be overstated. Special teams can get you on the field. 

[Edititorial Note: Thanks to Rufio for reminding me of Thomas Williams]

Thomas Williams: Last year's fifth-round pick looked great. He was making absolutely vicious tackles and continued to show why our LB corp is the team's strongest unit. Williams turned out an all around fantastic performance.

On The Fence: 

Troy Williamson: When people are raving over a guy who fumbled the ball, and got lucky on one of his catches, you know things are bad at the WR position. Troy looked OK to me. I didn't like seeing that fumble, because it was before the rain even started, so there is no excuse. He needs to step it up consistently before I start congratulating the guy on an above average performance. 

Tyron Brackenridge: The CB had one pass defense, and one tackle. Most importantly though, he didn't look overwhelmed. He seems to be a player the Jaguars are hot on, and I didn't see him make any major gaffes, so I would say he's one to watch. 

Zach Miller: This QB turned TE can flat out move. The kid was flying around on offense, and special teams, making a shoestring tackle at the 2 yd like on punt coverage. His only problem may be adjusting to having to catch the ball, especially when David really puts the mustard on it. He had one drop against the dolphins that should've been caught. He's not natural looking at the position yet, and his blocking leaves something to be desired, but he's got major upside, and he showed it Monday.

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Winner: Thomas Williams

5 Tackles and he was all over the field. Made a strong case to make the roster.

Thanks for the memories Fred

by Rufio904 on Aug 19, 2009 8:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He reminded me of

Troy Polumalu b/c he was around the ball on a lot of the plays. I loved his enthusiam as well, exactally what I want to see from a MLB. I don’t think we’ve seen that kind of enthusiam since Stroud left…

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by JagsNguyen on Aug 19, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You were there- Is that what you saw live and up close?

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by Tkopa on Aug 19, 2009 8:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"Handily Beaten"

As bad as you think the Jags played, the Dolphins were sloppy as well and didn’t beat anyone “handily”.

by Jaggernaut on Aug 19, 2009 8:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Word

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Aug 19, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really... It sure looked like a beatdown to me...

I had second row seats and our offense was thoroughly beaten. Both sides of the ball for our first teamers were “handily beaten”.

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by silencecs on Aug 19, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree to disagree...

Normally I would say it’s easier to see what happens in the game on tv than in person, but with the tv ’s camera and signal problems, you probably had a better vantage point.

by Jaggernaut on Aug 19, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am not saying it was all bad. I do think the first teamers were beaten badly though...

There were some bright spots definitely, and we had a chance to win it at the end.

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by silencecs on Aug 19, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

Thomas and Monroe are both stellar, but can you move a guy who played left tackle for 11 years to the other side? And his fortay is pass blocking not the run. Pashos looked just like he did last year… a little better than Barnes and that will cost us. Knighton was impressive! And I disagree that he looks huge, but the man is inmovable. Simply awesome for his size. Kinda like a Bob Golic. I will hold my opinion on Russ Allen. Need to see more on him.

Not bad when you break it down.

by Jaghomer on Aug 19, 2009 8:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Scobee made all his field goals and

was the leading tackler on special teams. No joke. When the kicker is the leading tackler, a lot of other people are confused.

- Sorry, I had taken a vow of silence until the third pre-season game.

 - Terry

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by Tkopa on Aug 19, 2009 8:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

^^we all should^^

Thanks for the memories Fred

by Rufio904 on Aug 19, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I’m getting more and more aggravated with Purnell. I mean, that bunch formation is so high school. Just line your guys up, and hit somebody in the mouth. Then some return specialist averages like 35 yards per return.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Aug 19, 2009 8:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would add Todd Bouman to winners

He was free falling in camp and looked good vs the Dolphins. Wasn’t his fault the O-line decided to false start and hold every play once they got inside the 20.

"It's always funny until someone gets hurt. Then it's just hilarious."-Bill Hicks

by FSBlueApocalypse on Aug 19, 2009 8:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He sailed the ball i think twice

with it comes to short to intermediate he’s good, anything further than a 20 yard pass he sails.

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by TheTealDeal on Aug 19, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Troy Williamson

You’re flat out holding something against Troy. Does he owe you money or something bro? I’m not going to call that a great performance, but I would give that the grade of “above average”.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Aug 19, 2009 8:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I said it was an above average performance...

But I also said I am not going to congratulate a perpetual underachiever for having an “above average” game.

If he continues to show up and catch the ball, great! I hope he does. But I am not penciling him or Mike Walker in as a clear number 2.

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by silencecs on Aug 19, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Out of the 2 receivers who did well that night

I also had Nate Hughes higher than Williamson. I know the exact play your talking about with Hughes… he was about to get hit and it was like a vacuum sucked the ball right out of the air. It shows good hands & also toughness. I think the game reairs on NFL network on Thursday @ 7AM… set your DVRs & watch it again after work.

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by JagsNguyen on Aug 19, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay
He needs to step it up consistently before I start congratulating the guy on an above average performance.

Why not congratulate him on a good performance. Troy has struggled so far to live up to his first round draft status. I wouldn’t call him an underachiever, the guy has never failed to work hard and try to get better… how do I know this, because of the reports of the guy having a great camp, and then backing up those mumblings with an outstanding pre-season performance. I like to see players get better and surprise people; no one said anything about him being the number 2 receiver.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Aug 19, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He catches four passes and we celebrate?

Given one catch was a fumble he recovered?

I am having trouble understanding all this. Troy Williamson moved from the cut list to the on the fence list just as Collin correctly called it.

And I agree with Collin, before I ever take any comfort in Troy Williamson being named the number 2 receiver I need to see a huge performance and he needs to earn trust game after game.

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by Tkopa on Aug 20, 2009 5:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

I think it’s the Jimmy Smith Effect®. I think I’ll call it that. Since Smith spent three years doing nothing, getting injured, and getting cut twice, many Jags fans are all about wide receiver reclamation projects. Same theory applies to Mike Walker. Oh yes, I registered that shit.

by Kbot on Aug 20, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAHAHA.... now that was funny... nice

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by silencecs on Aug 20, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Once Again

Who said anything about Troy becoming the number 2 receiver? I checked the title of this article again just to be sure, and it says “Jaguars vs. Dolphins”. Above, I said I think Troy should be congratulated on a good performance. I was talking about that particular game, and that particular performance. He had a good performance… there, I said it.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Aug 21, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And we get it, thanks!

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by Tkopa on Aug 21, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Winner Attiyah Ellison

He’s over-achieving and i like it

"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"

by TheTealDeal on Aug 19, 2009 9:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

EugeneMonroe Another day of good work, trying to get better!

From Twitter

Also Nate Hughes working with the first team in practice today. Can’t wait to see how the Jags respond on Saturday.

Glad I have tickets -how about you?

 - Terry

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by Tkopa on Aug 19, 2009 10:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Vic said

in “Jaguars This Week” that the ticketselling for this Saturday’s game will be a hard thing to swallow, based on how many tickets are still on sale. He siad there will be many empty seats/rows pictures in the papaers in the coverages. It is a bad sign.

I with you Terry, that I will wait until week 3 to say anything. We are rebuilding, so we must give this young team time (I should write a "patience not playoffs is the word for ‘09 article).
By the way at JTW they all said that based on the 11plays Monroe played he must be the starting LT on opening day! WOW! Also Lageman spoke very good words about Knighton’’s performance on Monday.

Life without knowledge is death in disguise

by Zoltan from Budapest on Aug 19, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hi Zoltan!

My experience says coaches are not fired for win/loss records but for poor attendance. Losing hurts every team and that show against Miami won’t convince people to give up a night elsewhere to see the Jaguars.

It is bad and will remain so until the team generates excitement. Excitement sells tickets.

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by Tkopa on Aug 19, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey

It’’s preseason Terry! The result for me is not important on Preseason games. Last year the Lions win all 4 games in the preseason. And we all know how they ended up. I don’t like to see my team lose even in a preseason game, BUT here the results are not important.

All what counts is how they playing. Yeah in that point there were problems and concerns after the 1st game, but give this team time. If the same problems will happen again against the Eagles, then we can starting to worry. Until that, let’s just observe the Jags!

PATIENCE everyone, PATIENCE!

Life without knowledge is death in disguise

by Zoltan from Budapest on Aug 20, 2009 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What counts Zoltan in butts in stadium seats

You are right, win/loss in preseason is meaningless.

People excited and buying tickets is meaningful.

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by Tkopa on Aug 20, 2009 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

ticket sales is a huge issue for this francvhise, i think until they not win a Superbowl, or the fanbase not groing somehow.

But fans must understand, this team started something new. And it will may not produce results immediatly. But I really belive everything points up in the future. All the fanbase need is patience and support of the Jags in these days too. I think in the end of the process they started this year, will be great things and results. Really all they need is wait and support the team!

Life without knowledge is death in disguise

by Zoltan from Budapest on Aug 20, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Zach Miller can develop into a capable blocker.

I forget if it was against a DE or a LB, but I saw Miller put someone on their ass at the line.

by Kbot on Aug 20, 2009 12:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"Jaguars sixth-round TE Zach Miller is expected to be out "for awhile" with a knee injury."

Beat writer Michael Wright expects the Jags to try to hide the speedy rookie on injured reserve. The converted QB is an interesting long-term project, but he wasn’t going to contribute much as a rookie.

by pksiv on Aug 20, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's unfortunate... Hopefully the knee injury won't require surgery.

He’s got serious upside

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by silencecs on Aug 20, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he is someone

the Jaguars might try to hide now, and he can explode in the regular season-This is just my feeling.

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by Zoltan from Budapest on Aug 20, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At this point I would like to see problems brought out so the coaches can fix them. Hopefully they are fixed. The poll was hard to choose between OL (Tackles looked good)and secondary.

by Pickle on Aug 20, 2009 8:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Also

keep in mind that vinny manuwai did not work with the first team. And Uche did not play very well last year either.

by sgillespie on Aug 20, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I disagree, I think Uche filled in admirably, and was one of the few bright spots last season. He showed he's a capable back-up lineman

So he can replace aging players who have been back-ups for the team. You MUST have depth. Uche is no Vinny, though. I wouldn’t be surprised if he beats out Mo Williams, as Uche brings more size to the position, and is a better run blocker than Williams.

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by silencecs on Aug 20, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why is a veteran offensive line ...

… being treated like it is under a rebuilding and needs time and patience? Vic and the team coaches and the Jag infrastructure seems to imply this group is a bunch of newbies and we are being silly to expect a good performance.

Other then Tra, this is the same group that led the rushing attack of 2007.

Anyone have a different take?

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by Tkopa on Aug 20, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah and everyone seems to think that the OL is the biggest concern

But, I think if you put Manuwai in and take Pashos out on the right side…maybe put Tra Thomas over there, everything would be different. Pashos pisses me off every time I watch him play.

by Blair72 on Aug 20, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The O-Line is the least of my concerns

There is too much talent and experience there. I just don’t know why they played like that. Is it scheming?

BTW… I will stay out of your other fanpost as my opinion has been well documented.

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by Tkopa on Aug 20, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, since nobody has even commented yet

Your comments would be a great addition…

by Blair72 on Aug 20, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As far as the O-Line

I truly believe they will be fine. I have no worries there.

It’s not even the D-Line I’m worried about. The secondary remains on my mind. We can’t get beat deep every other play, and we need more safety support. They have to step it up.

by Blair72 on Aug 20, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Before the draft and free agency, I would say OL, however....

we addressed the offensive line in both free agency with Thomas and in the draft with Monroe and Britton. I like what I see in Knoghton on the DL but I think it is now a bigger concern than the OL. I also think that normally the offensive line, especially with the talent we now have, will make the most progress over the 4 preseason games as they figure out who plays and where.

by Jaggernaut on Aug 20, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think you are right

and behind them, David improves, then the runniong game and the receivers. It will have a domino effect.

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by Tkopa on Aug 20, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think your are right too....

Garrard does very well when the running game is working and the line gives him plenty of time. When he’s hurried, like most mortal QB’s, he starts having problems. I think one of his weaknesses is the inability to find the open guy and when he has more time he’s able to do that better.

by Jaggernaut on Aug 20, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like tonight...

even though Moss didn’t play. And the Patriots had almost 100 yards in penalties. Fred Taylor averaged less than 4 yards a carry and this was a home game and their 2nd preseason game.

by Jaggernaut on Aug 20, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WINNER SEAN CONSIDINE

 i cant believe you forgot about him.. he was all over the field making open field takles and stuff.. he couldve got a pic too but i think he’s a bit underrated and he could be a starter! … also i seem to like mike walker if he stays healthy i mean when i saw him moss that guy at the scrimmage haha THAT WAS THE SHIT hell he jumped so high he sprained his ankle when he landed lol

by kywitzki on Aug 21, 2009 2:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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