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Paul Kuharsky Jumps on the Tebow Wagon.

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- The Jacksonville Jaguars lost 17,000 season-ticket holders after last season, a staggering number that could lead to blackouts for every home game in 2009.

Most blamed the sluggish economy. Some pointed to the slumping team. Either way, team owner Wayne Weaver has to find a way to get them back.

Star-divide

Weaver told The Associated Press this week that drafting Tebow, the 2007 Heisman Trophy winner who grew up in Jacksonville and has top-ranked Florida seeking its third national championship in four seasons, is something he will consider next year.

Think LeBron James in Cleveland. James, from Akron, Ohio, turned the foundering NBA franchise into an Eastern Conference power and made the Cleveland Cavaliers the hottest ticket in town.

"Star power is incredible, and Tebow is an iconic figure,"

 

Weaver said, noting that Brett Favre's arrival in Minnesota prompted about 7,000 season-ticket sales. "That's very compelling. He clearly is an outstanding football player and would be an asset to any football organization."

Weaver pointed to Tebow's popularity, marketability and leadership skills as reasons he would be a perfect fit in Jacksonville. Weaver also believes there's no doubt Tebow will play quarterback at the next level.

Weaver already has started to hear chatter about drafting the 6-foot-3, 240-pound left-hander who has broken several school and Southeastern Conference records.

It was one of the first questions asked when he spoke at a business luncheon Monday. There are "Draft Tebow" stickers circulating the city. And that rumor about the Jaguars commissioning a survey to see what affect Tebow would have on ticket sales?

"I don't know that it's actually a survey," Weaver said.

This much is certain: Weaver expects the Teb

 

ow talk to increase between now and April's NFL draft.

"The game is such an important part of this community, and Tebow is such an iconic figure that people would legitimately think, 'Wouldn't it be great if he was a Jaguar," Weaver said. "I'd be silly to sit here and think that's not going to be a huge thing.

"Clearly there's going to be a groundswell for Tebow, and we'll have to make that evaluation if we have a draft pick that's going to be anywhere near him."

Tebow's draft stock is routinely debated. He has taken every meaningful snap from the shotgun formation, has a long windup, throws sort of sidearm and finishes each pass with a leg kick. His arm strength is average and his ability to read defenses is questionable.

But his accuracy, durability and determination to be an NFL quarterback might be hard to overlook -- especially for the Jaguars.

Jacksonville's ticket woes are arguably the worst

 

in the league. There's virtually no chance for the team to avoid blacking out Sunday's home opener against defending NFC champion Arizona, and the situation looks just as bleak for the other seven home games.

Teams normally need to sell out games 72 hours before kickoff to prevent a local television blackout, and Weaver doesn't even anticipate getting a deadline extension from the NFL -- something that prevented blackouts in Arizona, Cincinnati and Oakland last weekend.

"We're far enough away that I don't want to send any false hope out to the community," Weaver said.

It's the latest setback for a franchise that doesn't have a lucrative, naming-rights deal for the stadium, already covered up nearly 10,000 seats to reduce capacity and lower ticket-sales requirements, and faces constant speculation about relocating to Los Angeles.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has seeming

 

ly made Jacksonville the poster child for blackouts.

"It's no fun to be in that position," Weaver said. "It is what it is. I'm not going to hang my head. I'm going to work hard and keep doing everything we know how to do to get out there. We've got to realize we're in a difficult economy and do everything we can do to make it affordable."

The Jaguars have tried just about everything.

They didn't raise ticket prices. They focused on group sales. They created value meals at concession stands. They offered season-ticket packages for half the games and recently introduced a "flex pack," which allows fans to buy tickets to any three games and save $30.

The response has been minimal.

Jacksonville mayor John Peyton showed up at practice Wednesday and appealed to fans to buy tickets.

"The viability of this team in our city is critically important,

 

" Peyton said. "The Jaguars have become part of the fabric in this city. It's hard to imagine not having this team here and we need to do a better job citywide supporting this team."

The five-county Jacksonville area has 1.3 million people. It wouldn't seem like a stretch to find 60,000 to attend Jaguars games, especially since there's no other major league teams competing in the area.

It wasn't a problem when the franchise started in 1995. But after the newness wore off and losing seasons followed -- the Jags have made the playoffs twice in the last nine years -- attendance started to dwindle. The economic collapse and last year's 5-11 record have season-ticket

 

sales at an all-time low.

Weaver said the market was hit hard because it only has two Fortune 500 companies, CSX (No. 240) and Winn-Dixie (No. 340), and lots of service-based industries.

"The people who own our tickets are families and small businesses, and they're the ones going through the toughest time with tight credit and other things," Weaver said. "We're not in this by ourselves. But we just felt it worse because of the size of our market."

Weaver insists he's committed to Jacksonville and sees signs that things will turn around.

The father of a 14-year-old boy recently called Weaver to let hi

 

m know his son spent all summer working odd jobs so he could afford season tickets.

"This young man is so passionate about the Jaguars," Weaver said. "He's grown up with us. That's all he knows. There's thousands more like him out there that are growing up with us. As they come of age and they have their own disposable income, they're going to start buying season tickets."

It might happen sooner if Tebow comes to town.




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This article appeals to my Tebow/Gators homerism

Whatever gets him on the team.

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 16, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I shudder to think of Tebow in a Jack Del Rio Offense

I would hate to see Tim in a conservative offense and then be called out for not performing. I think Jack would cut his legs out from under him.

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by Tkopa on Sep 16, 2009 4:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Tebow can learn for a year or two

then either Garrard retires or we have finished rebuilding.

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 16, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm only going to say this once.

I would be completely in favor of drafting Tebow only if he was the BAP when the Jaguars were on the clock. I don’t care about what he did at Florida. Forget the fact he’s from the area and went to high school here. I don’t care if some people see him as the second coming of J.C. BAP or pass on him. I don’t buy into that “Draft him and they will come” B.S. I can just see W. W. taking the chance and drafting Tebow himself, not Gene but Wayne making the call on the pick and I’d bet that all those Tebow-lovers would back out of buying tickets and all W.W. would hear would be crickets.

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by JvilleJag2 on Sep 16, 2009 4:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

He’s a terrific football player and I would love to see him as a Jaguar, but that’s only if Gene Smith and the scouts have determined him to be the most valuable talent at the draft position the Jaguars occupy. If they reach for him, then it’s simply a bad decision.

by SoCalStites on Sep 16, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well said, JJ2. agreed

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by cuffs007 on Sep 16, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ignore the fanshot

i saw kuharsky in the title when i posted mine. this is actually not by kuharsky. it’s by an AP writer named mark long

as far as drafting him, i like vic’s idea. you know? the crazy one

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by Surteal on Sep 16, 2009 4:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yep

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aoYCwr7rlk

the above link is tim tebow passing highlights. thats when he throws the ball. Watch as he does the odd kick after he throws. watch the previously stated, and stated correctly, average arm strength and watch the often side-armed throws.

 i don’t mean to anger anyone, but hype and production aside, Tebow does appear to be a 3rd rounder at best. I say this because of two things.
1) Tebow is a project
2) He has average arm strength

I don’t have any problems with the guy, but this isn’t a qb of the future to me. Now, he may overcome these things with coaching and he may do in the NFL most of what he did in college and if if if. He has all these mechanic issues. Water down your expectations tebow fans.

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by Surteal on Sep 16, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Someone needs to make a YouTube video

where it does a side by side comparison of him to someone like Jevon Sneed. What would be funny is if we get Sneed in the 1st and Tebow in the 3rd…

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by JagsNguyen on Sep 16, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i will cry tears of pain if we draft snead

watch him. he sucks

12/20 and two picks opening week @memphis

9/20 against florida in 2008 (the BIG game that he won)

his other big game, to be fair, was the cotton bowl
Ole Miss vs Texas Tech (with an ailing crabtree)

Snead: 18/19 for 292 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT, 4 Sack, 7 ATT, -2 YDS

Yes, he played well against texas tech. Texas Tech was not a strong defense in 2008 and if anyone has an argument against this. I welcome it.

Gene will not draft snead because snead is overated. People just want the next Matthew Stafford, which snead is not.

Ole Miss’ team, i feel, is a little overrated. They are still a top-15 team. Very talented. They have a HB that’s about 5’6" and has rockets for legs. Good player.

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by Surteal on Sep 16, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually i would rather tebow than snead

for one reason only

Tebow is a clutch player

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by Surteal on Sep 16, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clutch?

So was Vince Young at UT.

Remember the cries of anger when Houston didn’t draft him? “We need a qb, he grew up here in Houston, he’ll be the savior of this franchise….”

A good college career does not mean a good pro career.

Ignore the hype; look at the results.

by harperslaw on Sep 17, 2009 4:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vince was totally over-rated

Everyone knew that you can’t go Micheal Vick and run around the whole time, the offense around him was why he was successful.

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 17, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The funny thing is my have a funny history of

using our first two picks on the same position, Harvey and Groves (DE) then this year Monroe and Britton (T)

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 16, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we*

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 16, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we could get him in the 3rd i'd be more than happy

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 16, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tebow is the white clone of David Garrard and the upgraded version of Zach Miller.

No thank you.

I’ll take Chris Ponder or any of the other Matt Ryan, Sanchez, Flacco, pro-style Qbs.

Yes I like the Gators. Yes I like Tim Tebow but he is not an NFL ready QB.

Now if he can play TE then yes I want him.

by Slvrgun on Sep 16, 2009 4:51 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Oh anyone else hear about a possible Dallas blackout?

PFT is reporting that Dallas has yet to sell all the required tickets needed to lift the blackout for the Cowboys’ game on sunday. WOW! Irony…

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by JagsNguyen on Sep 16, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

JJ won't be embarrassed.

He will buy the tickets himself.

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by Tkopa on Sep 16, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The one thing I keep coming back to with Tebow...

Almost every time he has to come through and make a big play he always gets it done. That’s big for a QB. Who cares how ugly it looks, the ball usually gets to the right place at the right time and the results speak for themselves.
I know the SEC isn’t the NFL, but it’s as close as it gets at that level.

 Personally I think he’ll be able to get it done at the next level and then some. If he drops to the third the risk is minimal and worst case scenario we get a tremendous athlete who would be excellent for goaline situations or a change of pace. He could supplement another QB just like he did leak his freshman year. In my opinion it’s a no-brainer. Ticket sales are just a possible added benefit.

by rusty904 on Sep 16, 2009 7:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No disrespect Rusty but

Matt Jones was a “tremendous athlete”. Give me the mediocre athlete that’s a great football player, you know like that one guy that was considered too slow and weak um what’s his name?…Tom Brady. Yea that guy. I never will be sold on the “he’s a great athlete” argument for any player not just Tebow.

Now a question:
“a tremendous athlete who would be excellent for goaline situations or a change of pace.” How would he be excellent? and a change of pace how? You’d take your normal QB out on a goal line situation for Tebow? This isn’t college ball, defense will key in on that in a hot second.

Again no disrespect but I’m just trying to understand how you think the team would use him if not at QB.

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by JvilleJag2 on Sep 16, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate the Whole 2 starting Qbs idea

It’s a distraction and throw everyone out of whack. If we draft Tebow which in always going to be uncertain then let him learn while Garrard plays out his career.

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 16, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mediocre Athlete?

You really want mediocre athletes?

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by Tkopa on Sep 16, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't need my QB to run a 4.4

I need my QB to have a live arm and great accuracy and be good at reading defenses. Tebow honestly has a lot of work to do.

Would you say Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are great athletes?

by MoveThoseChains on Sep 16, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why are you talking about Brady or Peyton?

Of course they are fine athletes, Tim has all of those qualities, i’m sorry you can’t see it, especially after watching him saturday and saturday.

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 17, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No but

if have you a choice between a tremendous athlete that’s a mediocre football player or a guy that doesn’t test well at the Combine and is considered a mediocre athlete, such as Brady was, but is a tremendous football player which would you take?

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by JvilleJag2 on Sep 16, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you have better chances with the first option

Tom Brady was a steal, which is rarity

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 17, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

one more thing...

You also have to remember that a QB that can take off at any time makes it that much tougher on a defense and that much easier on him. It’s something the defense always has to account for with their game planning and their personnel on the field. Tebow will likely see more LBs in coverage than DBs opening the passing game and making it easier for him to connect.

by rusty904 on Sep 16, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

rusty, i hear everything your saying and i agree with it

but mechanics is a big issue. it worries me and I label this a “proceed with caution” deal.

all that said, i wouldn’t be upset if we drafted tebow, not at all. it’s just i feel that he is not what you want a QB to be.

all good points by both sides in the discussion

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by Surteal on Sep 16, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

All I’m saying is if you can pick him up in the third round it’s a win win. Best case- Tebow becomes a great starting QB, Worst case we get a change of pace QB roughly the size of Greg Jones who can be used in goal-line situations.

I’m not guaranteeing he will be successful as a QB, but at 3rd round prices (if he goes there) I think he’s well worth the risk.

by rusty904 on Sep 16, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he can't prove himself in the NFL

as a third rounder he could be backup.

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 16, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I listening

’Jags this week" in these minutes. Vic and Co paint a very dark future picture because of the ticket sales, and now even Vic think the jags will draft after Wayne Weavers statement today. Vic said it happens, and Tim Tebow get drafted then the professional football WILL LIVE OR DIE BASED ON HOW HE WILL PERFORM!!!!
It a very sad vision of the future of this team and scares the hell out of me folks….

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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 16, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A bit over the top if you ask me.

Vic doesn’t like the thought of Tibow as a Jag. If it happens it will happen with a new coach. JDR doesn’t want Tim. Personally I would ratherhave Tibow than Del Rio. Tim knows how to win.

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by Tkopa on Sep 16, 2009 8:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In the NFL too Terry?

as a QB?

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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 16, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we need to get some videos and let everyone analyze and break it down

This is a topic of study for me.

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 16, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how do we not compare tebow to thigpen?

There was a lot of love going around for Thigpen not long ago, he’s 6’2, 220lbs, can only play in a spread offense, runs the ball ( a 4.78 40), and put up really great stats in the NCAA…. So while I’m no Gators, or even NCAA fan, why shouldn’t I compare Thigpen and Tebow?

Aside from +2" and 20lbs, a touch of speed, and way better exposure & team mates I see a lot of similarities. Do you really think a “better’ Thigpen is enough? Don’t forget that Thigpen’s also put up some impressive numbers, and yet was somehow drafted in the 7th:
”http://min.scout.com/2/640083.html" target="_blank">http://min.scout.com/2/640083.html

I guess another way to say it is would you be happy if all you got was a bigger Thigpen? In that case, I’m assuming the Tebow fans are the same ones who wanted Thigpen?

On a somewhat related subject, here’s a good SI article saying “The Tebow experiment is inevitable”, it features some interesting quotes from NFL front offices and coaching staff that make it pretty clear he’s on their minds as a curiosity, of not a legit prospect:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/tim_layden/01/13/tebow/

Another about Tebow’s argument with Mel Kiper, although this one’s included more for the humor/interest factor:
http://www.faniq.com/blog/Tim-Tebow-Question-Mel-Kiper-About-His-Assessment-Of-Tebows-Ability-To-Play-Quarterback-In-The-NFL-Blog-16391

by alsonot on Sep 16, 2009 10:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Tebow has achieved more than Thigpen

and had to play harder opponents more regularly.

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 17, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A View Thoughts

1. Name me a successful, pro bowl quality quarterback that played in an option spread system. There could be some, but for the life of me I can’t think of one.

2. This reminds me so much of Houston’s love affair with Vince Young. That guy was a local hero, and the fans were incensed when Houston passed on him.

3. Just because you’re a record setting college qb does not mean you’ll be a good pro.
From my post at Battle Red Blog about Graham Harrell:
http://www.battleredblog.com/2009/8/17/992334/why-resign-alex-brink-what-about
Putting up stats and winning awards in college is great, but that really doesn’t mean that you’ll be a good NFL QB. In fact the trend goes in the opposite direction. These are some of the all-time statistical giants in passing. How’d their careers in the NFL go?

Ty Detmer, BYU,1988-91: threw for 15,031yards
Tim Rattay, La. Tech,1997-99: threw for 12,746 yards
Chris Redman, Louisville, 1996-99: threw for 12,541 yards
Todd Santos, San Diego St, 1984-87: threw for 11,425 yards
Tim Lester, W. Michigan, 1996-99: threw for 11,299 yards

Ok, those aren’t so hot so maybe some of the leaders in efficiency:
Danny Wuerffel, Florida, 1993-96 163.6
Ty Detmer, BYU, 1988-91: 162.7
Steve Sarkisian, BYU, 1995-96: 162.0
Billy Blanton, San Diego St., 1993-96: 157.1
Jim McMahon, BYU, 1977-78, 80-81: 156.9

McMahon won a Super Bowl with the Bears, but when he was with the Bears he never completed more than 59% of his passes, and he never threw for more than 2400 yards in a season.

Well, maybe stats aren’t a good way to judge a player; let’s look at post season awards.
Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award Winners (past 10 years):
Good/Potentially Good: Matt Ryan, Eli Manning, Carson Palmer
Jury’s Still Out: Brady Quinn, Matt Leinart
The Bad: Jason White, David Carr, Chris Weinke, Chris Redman, Cade McNown

Heisman Winners
The Good: Ricky Williams, Carson Palmer
Jury’s Still Out: Matt Leinart, Reggie Bush, Tim Tebow (still in college)
The Bad: Ron Dayne, Chris Weinke, Eric Crouch, Jason White, Troy Smith

Sammy Baugh Trophy Winners
The Good: Daunte Culpepper, Chad Pennington
Jury’s Still Out: Brady Quinn, Colt Brennan, Sam Bradford (still in school)
The Bad: Chris Weinke, David Carr, Kliff Kingsbury, BJ Symons, Stefan LeFors

Note – by Good/Potentially good I mean that they are serviceable players (ie Chad Pennington isn’t great, but he’ll work as a patch).

The point of this rambling, badly formatted post is to try to bring you into the light, brother. Let him not be judged by his works (ie stats and awards) from college, but the quality of his arm and the head on his shoulders. Harrell, though he appears to have his head, he doesn’t have an arm. Oh repent and let Harrell and Mike Leach go as a post note in college football history.

My point is that just because you are a stud in college does not mean you’ll be a stud in the NFL. The last time I saw Tebow play was when UF beat down OU, but as I sat there and watched that game I didn’t see Tebow as a Pro QB. I saw Vince Young 2.0, a more clutch, hopefully less drama queen college qb.

I’ll finish with probably something even less popular/rabble rousing; If the Jags, in order to sell out the stadium, draft Tebow with a first rounder then they are doing something worse than Shack Harris ever did; they are undercutting Gene’s authority and mortgaging their future. The reason this team has only been to the playoffs twice this decade is because of bad drafting, and this would fall right back into that trap.

Fred Taylor, Derrick Harvey, and Reggie Nelson were all UF players, how’d that help ticket sales last year? If the people of Jacksonville want the Jags to be an ALL SEC team then maybe the Jags don’t belong in Jacksonvlle. I love the Jags, and I want them to succeed, but this is getting ridiculous.

Ignore the hype; look at the results.

by harperslaw on Sep 17, 2009 5:10 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I feel like i'll be knocking the wood more often

Tebow isn’t failed to obscurity either. We homer because he hope, you rally against because you don’t think so.

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 17, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

excellent argument harperslaw

i’ll continue reading before i put my own words in

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by Surteal on Sep 17, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry but

Tebow is not Vince Young,
Better Arm Strength
Better Runner (debatable I know)
Stronger
Tougher
Better Leader
Not a cry baby/ Drama Queen

I don’t believe any of the Gators we drafted recently were drafted for marketing purposes. Compared to our other first rounders from the last couple of years Gators have been a success! Hey they’re still on the team with no felony charges and that’s more than we can say about our Arkansas and Washington Alumni.

Look I’m not saying take Tebow in the first round but the third…
If he drops that low how could you pass him up?
Even if he is Vince Young 2.0 (and he’s not) Vince led his team to a very successful season as a Rookie and one successful season is a bit more than we get out of a typical 3rd round pick.

By the way I believe Fred Taylor helped ticket sales immensely throughout his career in Jacksonville.

by rusty904 on Sep 17, 2009 10:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You may have a point

but Tebow is VY 2.0. They’ve just upgraded Tebow’s leadership abilities and perhaps made him more accurate. VY had a pretty big arm, but his jacked up throwing motion messed with his accuracy.

VY led his team to a very successful season as a rookie? Please, it was the Titans defense and the running game were the reason for their “successful” 8-8 season. I’ve heard people play the “Rookie of the Year”, but anyone that watched their games knows that MJD or Marques Colston deserved ROY more than VY.

VY is the most overhyped college player I can remember in a long time at QB, and I fear the Tebow will create the same hysteria. If the Jags can grab him in the 3rd, then that’s great. But unless Tebow shows me something this year then I have no choice but to cringe if the Jags go up in round 1, and Tebow’s still on the board.

Could Tebow be a great pro qb? Yeah, it’s possible. Who knows, maybe the Gene wants the Jags to transition into a full time spread offense. We always hear from Vic about small teams being innovative, a step ahead of the big boys. Maybe Gene is laying the ground work for that (smaller, quicker receivers and MJD would be perfect for that). But with the game on the line, and your quarterback drops back, he sees a guy in the corner of the endzone with a tiny window to throw through, can Tebow make that throw? Right now I don’t think he would be able to make that throw in the big leagues.

Ignore the hype; look at the results.

by harperslaw on Sep 17, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vince Young played against worse teams than Tebow

Fact. he has a pretty fast thorw and pretty good field vison so i think he can make the throw.
How i dispise this non withstanding debate

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 17, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Got ya

I’m glad we agree that he is a solid third rounder if he can be had that late. Based on the way he looks thus far I would not take him in the first round.

However as I said above if we take him in the third the worst case scenario is we get a strong athletic player with amazing work ethic who could run the wildcat and maybe throw a couple dump passes for TD’s.
Best case, we get a great QB, Gator fans are attracted, franchise saved, crisis averted.

Luckily we have a whole season to follow his development as a passer. Keep in mind he’s working with a coach specifically hired to groom him for the NFL. I say we suspend our debate until we get some extensive 2009 film.

by rusty904 on Sep 17, 2009 12:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

3rd Rounder yes

Wildcat no…

Anybody see the Wildcat do anything other than bomb in week 1? The defenses have again caught up to offenses with the Wildcat. It’s not fooling anyone any longer.

Ignore the hype; look at the results.

by harperslaw on Sep 17, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say we suspend our debate until we get some extensive 2009 film.

Wonderful, I will certainly go for that, lets suspend this debate till at least the Draft, all opinions have been discussed and all sides have argued their points, I don’t think there’s anything left to gain until we get some 2009 NFL vid of Tebow.

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 17, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes but couldn’t is work if there was someone taking the snap that could actually run and or throw. Well, I guess it wouldn’t be the wildcat anymore, it would just be shotgun. What I mean is Tebow could perform a role similar to when he was a freshman supplementing Chris Leak.

by rusty904 on Sep 17, 2009 4:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

First Round pick... you guys

is for big men or QB’s. How many times can I scream this. No one else – No exceptions! I for one was not a Tebow believer. But the kid has leadership skills and he looks durable.

I was having a few cocktails with the boys the other night and we were trying to think of the last decent QB selections other than Matt Ryan. The only name we could come up with was Rivers. Yeah… I think Vic was right about Henne and maybe Flacco may be something big (I think he will be another Jim Kelly) …. but do you see what kind of a crap shoot it is with QB’s? If you don’t take the risk – the team will never have a QB. What could it hurt? I like David G., but this guy is never going to throw the ball down field… that’s just the truth. Man… I think a lot of what Vic spews is crap, but he’s right about a QB taking the team on his own shoulders and getting it done at crunch time. Or he could end up being another Manning… Archie…

by Jaghomer on Sep 17, 2009 6:53 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

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