What would Tim Tebow mean for the Jacksonville Jaguars?
by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 16, 2009 8:35 PM EDT
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In case you haven't read the story on Wayne Weaver's comments regarding Tim Tebow, please click here.
Ever since Tim Tebow committed to the University of Florida, there has been talk that the Jaguars would eventually draft the local superstar. Now, that talk seems like a near certainty given Mr.Weaver's comments concerning Tebow, among other interactions he has had with the Gator QB.
There is no question that Tebow is a media darling and may be the most well known college athlete in the last fifty years. When next April comes, Tebow could bring with him three national championship rings, two Heisman Trophies, and a laundry list of magazine covers.
However, that doesn't mean anything if he can't be a good cog in the Jaguar machine. There are major questions about his mechanics and ability to adapt to the NFL game. There will be plenty of linebackers who would love to welcome Tim to the NFL next year.
What concerns me the most is
"The game is such an important part of this community, and Tebow is such an iconic figure that people would legitimately think, 'Wouldn't it be great if he was a Jaguar,'" team owner Wayne Weaver said. "I'd be silly to sit here and think that's not going to be a huge thing.
If there is one thing the Jaguars can't afford to start doing is let ticket sales begin to influence personnel decisions and that is exactly what is sounds like they could do. I would prefer not to think I was at the Florida-Georgia game when I attend a Jaguar game and that is exactly what could happen if Tebow is drafted.
Imagine seeing the stadium full, but half of it is Orange and Blue from the Gator fans there just to see Tebow. Is that any better than seeing "The Jack" full of Terrible Towels? In addition, what happens if Tebow flops out of the league? We sell out the stadium (and the team) for a year and then we're right back to square one without a real building block for the future.
I spoke with UF's ticket office, and they informed me that currently they have "over 15,000" season ticket holders from the Jacksonville area. Assuming none of them are currently Jaguar season ticket holders, that would mean that every UF season ticket holder in the Jacksonville area would also need to buy Jaguar tickets for the team to sell out.
If I am Gene Smith, I would walk into Weaver's office and say that unless Tebow is the best player on the Jaguar's board when they draft, he won't be drafted. No ifs, ands, or buts. In addition, I would ban the marketing and PR people from the discussion. The worst thing the Jaguars can do right now is make it seem like the team is just buying time to wait for April and take a messiah.
Mr.Weaver, be careful what you wish for, because it might come true.
-Jonathan Loesche
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Some experts say TE
but i think thats ludicris, he has tooo much upside and potential to not be a QB.
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I think if he goes in the 1st round
he will be drafted as a QB… And he might not be ready for that…
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 16, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't really see the college skill set translating that well to the pros.
Even for the ‘best collegiate player ever’. It’s a whole different thing at UF with the spread offense, QB power O’s against college lineman and linebackers, and things like that. (I don’t catch many Florida games, so tell me if I’m wrong) Unless he is a lot more accurate then I’ve heard, I hope this is more hype then anything.
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by JamMasterJesus on Sep 16, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Tebow is a mixed bag with accuracy
Sometime’s he’ll throw a deep ball that would make Elway jealous, then the next play he’ll miss a wide open receiver running over the middle badly.
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by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 16, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
That's promising, at least.
In your opinion, could the kinks be worked out for him to be a QB in the NFL?
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by JamMasterJesus on Sep 16, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
In the third round god yes, in the first round no.
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by JamMasterJesus on Sep 16, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I think thats the true beauty of it
He can learn and not get rushed into the fire.
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I think the Spread may not be a Widely used offensive scheme
especially in the NFl but here’s where the motto goes into effect, “Players, not plays” if he has the right stuff then he’ll do good whatever plays he calls.
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I love that motto...
but in college, plays are a huge factor. Just ask any quarterback from Texas Tech.
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by JamMasterJesus on Sep 16, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Or Alex Smith
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by JamMasterJesus on Sep 16, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
His career completion percentage is 65.7% for 6,815 yds, which is pretty good, but not mind blowing, for a college QB.
I think that the current incarnation of the spread is too new for anyone to really know the effectiveness of QBs from that system. For example, several thousand QBs have come through pro-style offenses since its creation. As a result, dozens of great QBs have come from those systems, while thousands have failed. However, only a few hundred spread QBs have come through the modern spread offense. Basically, the sample size of spread QBs is currently too small for anyone to have an accurate gauge on the future success of them.
I can agree with that
Too me Tebow is a fine project (kinda like a Aaron Rodgers) that needs to have some years to get coached and fine tuned/refined. My projection would be let Garrard be starter as long as he can, when Garrard retires or isn’t starter material anymore lets see what Teow’s learned, I think he’ll then have the benefit of what Byron didn’t; The chance to learn and practice.
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In the draft there's no certainities other than the first draft pick
Tebow could go to almost anyone, that being said I think Tebow would do good here in Jacksonville, not because of supposed ticket sale boosts i.g. Gators buying tickets for tebow (Tho people buying tickets is always a good thing). I don’t think Tebow will be a TE, if he were he wouldn’t be a first day maybe not even a second day draft pick. As a QB he has alot of qualities i like seeing, leadership, being calm under pressure and when getting blitzed, usually smart choices though I think the whole scrambling thing ahould be phased out, good arm strength and decent accuracy which is coachable. I think he has upside and if the Jaguars could manage getting him in the 3rd, why not. Now if he has a game changing season and warrents 1st round consideration then i would do something similar to when we drafted Reggie Nelson, Trade back.
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Well
According to Vic with today’s statement Wayne Weaver just said, that the Jaguars will do what it can to draft him… By the way the otherwise always very entertaining “jaguars this Week” was not a happy place because of this Weaver statement. They thought, that this message is a reaction to the devastating ticket (non) selling problem. Vic even said, with the Mayor visit this week, and his effort to boost the teicket sales, the “save the whales (pardon Jaguars)” movement officialy started(and here I mean the team’s fate and future here). And this time the situation is a bit worse then the usuall “ticketseling are not going well” scaries…
Vic said one more thing: If the Jaguars draft Tebow, this team’s fate will be on his shoulders. If he will be a winner in the NFL too, then there will be no problem, and the franchise will be saved. But if he fails, the Jaguars as a team in Jacksonville falls with him…
I can imagine how Gene Smith (who think Tebow is a 3rd round prospect…) and for example David garrard feels.
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 16, 2009 8:51 PM EDT reply actions
Vic doesn't matter
Excitement and winning matters
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He said once
He is a guy not liked so much.
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 16, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Vic...
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by JamMasterJesus on Sep 16, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Vic is another guy with opinions
He happens to have a more knowledgeable one.
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 16, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
How long will that excitement last if he doesn't win?
…or will you blame Jack Del Rio for wasting the greatest talent ever? (sounds like those guys from Arkansas and Matt Jones)
Well written!
Simple and to the point. The more it is brought up, the worse it will become. Put a lid on the Tebow to Jax talk everyone.
Oh so much better than a draft Snead discussion
The pilot light was blown out before it could start.
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I'm back for Tebow
I believe in the young man. He has excelled at all that he has put his hand to. I believe he will continue that trend. His play reminds me of Mark Brunell. Who was awesome in his prime. The iconic shadow that Tim casts is enormous. You don’t have to believe he’ll make it, but to say he won’t is pure speculation. He is loved in Jax. You have to live here to feel that. But it’s true.
Vae Victis!
Viator! How nice to see you
I think you’ll see i agree with you. :)
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So the greatest college player is not good enough for a 5-12 team?
The problem is with the team. Get rid of Del RIo. Tim Tibow knows more about winning than that idiot coach we have!!!
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Or 5-11 team, I shouldn't drive drunk!
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Im with Tkopa
How can TeBow be bad for the Jags?
Are you people serious?
WOW that is unreal. Especially when we were 5-12 last year. And he was well 13-1 with a national championship, I know I am comparing NFL to college, but you folks are killing me with the Anti Tebow talk man.
Yo.
Sing the song Brother!!!!
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Alternatives
In the Third Round if Tim Tebow is available, can you guys provide some alternatives too draft in the Third Round over Tim Tebow?
Seriously.
Yo.
He is a first round guy, no question
Bill Belichick has his back!
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Or is Bill Belichick Name Dropping
“hmm…maybe if I throw Tebow’s name around I can end up with another 2nd rounder. muahahahahahahahahaha…..”
Ignore the hype; look at the results.
I think its obvious that he'll fall to the first
but if he did fall all the way to 3rd it be epic how much a steal that be.
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If JDR goes...
Weaver could bring in Jon Gruden. He could develop Tebow. If it doesn’t work, and London is not ready, the Jags could move to the moon. Huh? The Lunar Jaguars? Huh?! Go Moon Jags Go!!!
Vae Victis!
lol
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BTW John FSU isn't even a Division I team any more!
Move over and let the winners move past!
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Fred Taylor still is my favorite Jaguar and where did he go?
I don’t care where a player went when they join the Jags. However, I do care about this team looking for a “quick fix” to the ticket sales problem that may end up back firing big time.
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by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 16, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Quick Fix
I really do not see it is a quick fix problem. People are not gonna buy tix too see Tim on the Bench for two years.
I just cannot understand why the naysayers, cannot see the man’s talent. Out of college that Kid is better than any QB we have drafted, and he will get some time to learn, unlike Byron who was thrown into the flames.
Yo.
+10
Pure Pazaak
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same
I will pay for tickets
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God Forbid we should draft the greatest player ever
because it might back fire. You are right, let’s draft mediocre players like maybe Derrick Harvey whose only problem is our expectations of him?
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I think we have awoken the FSU beast
lets beat the Tebow drums a little louder :P
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Wayne also said....
“Clearly there’s going to be a groundswell for Tebow, and we’ll have to make that evaluation if we have a draft pick that’s going to be anywhere near him.”
I’m thinking a bunch of folks skipped right over the part where Mr. Weaver says “IF”… I think he’s talking about BAP, which is the only way I’d like to see Tebow in teal & black & white…
Sean Jax Beach Bum
I'd be ok with drafting him...
under one condition. He doesn’t start @ QB until his least his 3rd year. I think his drive is so great that he can will himself into becoming the QB we need, just like he to winning the Championship last year. Will he get the chance?
NO!
Why?
His fan base is so great here that even if we draft him in the 5th round, people will be clammoring for him to start from day one. It’s just that insane… unfortunately.
In the face of adversity, what you do from then on dictates who you really are...
I can go to bed with a smile on my face for that scenario to occur
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*implodes*
I really really really wanted to stay out of this conversation. I wanted to remain a silent neutral party. I went to UF, graduated from UF, saw both championships up close and personal, and I would love nothing more than my Gators winning the championship again this season and for Tebow to get himself a second Heisman.
….but this has to stop. It really does. The Gators win because they have a ridiculous talent edge at every single position on the field. When a 5 yard dump pass to Jeff Demps can become an 80 yard touchdown, it’s hard not to get excited, but even you and I can throw a dump pass.
The simple truth is Tim Tebow will not be a successful NFL quarterback, for the same reason JJ Redick isn’t a successful NBA player. A great motor and heart only gets you so far. JJ found out that his lack of athleticism and defense didn’t make up for being the greatest college shooter of all time. Tebow will find out that you can’t outrun NFL linebackers, and NFL defensive backs are much less forgiving when his deep ball is wild and he doesn’t have all-world receivers.
Tim is not really that fast. He’s not stronger than a linebacker. His accuracy is lacking, and his wind-up and throwing motion will be as ineffective in the big leagues as Vince Young’s or Byron Leftwich’s failarms.
It hurts me to say this as a tremendous fan of the Gators. But it will hurt me more if Jacksonville pegs their hopes on this Messiah, and he predictably turns out to be a false prophet.
by MoveThoseChains on Sep 16, 2009 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
You are right!
Let’s draft losers so we aren’t disappointed!
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No, we should let Gene do his thing and build this team right
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by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 16, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
What if Gene believes?
Is that possible? Nah. He probably believes the guys that thought Knighton and Cox were mistakes. Kiper and Gene, that’s a mean team.
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Gene said he thought Tebow was a 3rd round prospect
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by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 16, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You are making that up!
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Not by the end of this season
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Well maybe he is.
But we still have this year to evaluate him. There is still room for a rise.
Vae Victis!
Did someone hack your account? You're sounding like when Vic changed his picture to the Indians' mascot
by MoveThoseChains on Sep 16, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The greatest college player ever!
What don’t you see?
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like Viator said
Thats pure speculation man. Its also pure speculation that’ll he be awesome, but i rather sipp that fresh brewed koolaid. but this is your opinion so i’ll respect it.
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Please for the sake of the organization...I hope we do not fall into the Tebow trap.
Let Jacksonville cry…they’ll get over it.
We need a pro-style QB not a dump off, captain checkdown, jump throwing fullback wanna-be quarterback.
by Slvrgun on Sep 16, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You don't like Jax...
Or even care if the Jags stay of go to the moon. This could be right up your alley. It could be perfect for you! You just don’t see it. Even the reverse works. If it works great! If it doesn’t great for the rest of you. Perfect.
Vae Victis!
John, you and I are on the same page here my man...
Nothing I have seen from Tebow in terms of his throwing mechanics. Terry, I have no idea why you’re for this… I have a feeling John would disagree with you… just a gut feeling though. I’d love to hear his take…
John, you’re right… we have to stay away from Tebow no matter what… Even if he is BAP, then I say still don’t make the pick, and just lie and say he wasnt BAP…
I understand taking him at BAP, but man, the average fan is going to expect way too much… Look at this response though…. it’s undeniable….
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so i'll take it as a No for Tebow?
:P
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That didn't make sense... but I was talking about 2 different Johns... lol
I sound like a hooker…lol
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BURN....
Had we not had the offensive line collapse last year, we likely would’ve made the playoffs (IMHO) and then we wouldn’t be talking about how garbage he was….
Durant
Smith
Ingram
MJD
Mathis
He wasn’t that bad, and had we not completely collapsed last year, he likely would still be here (If we made the playoffs)
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I don't see alot of 1st round picks in that list
muhahaha :)
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Shack Harris would make Ditka's trade for Ricky Williams seem like a resonable move companred to what he would do to get Tebow
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by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 16, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you kidding me... Harris isn't pro Tebow...
Thanks for adding nothing of value to the discussion…
Same time tomorrow? :)
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lol
too funny
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The ends justify the means
I’ll that for interpretation
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Rah Rah!
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Ricky Williams, biggest flop in CFL history?
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by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 16, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably
"It's always funny until someone gets hurt. Then it's just hilarious."-Bill Hicks
by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 16, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe
"It's always funny until someone gets hurt. Then it's just hilarious."-Bill Hicks
by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 16, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Ohhh
The Editor’s are having a Sarcastic award, lets all go and watch
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Tebow
Remember when we through that Derek Harvey was the end that was suppose to be our savior at defensive end . Look what happened no success. Tebow may be a good quarterback in the NFL for the right team. That team will have to teach him everything because the spread offense does not work as a full time offense in the NFL.
There are no Troy states, Georgia Southern etc. All the nfl teams are the cream of the cream. Tebow will need time to develope and everybody will need to understand that
Armand Riendeau
by armjag1 on Sep 16, 2009 9:59 PM EDT reply actions
I think thats agreeable
I don’t think any of us are thinking he’ll play right away.
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To everyone saying Tebow will sit
Weaver’s comments make it clear the Jags would take Tebow for the tickets. People don’t pay $50 a game to see their favorite player on the bench, and in The Swamp II that will be Tebow. If you want a situation that will blow Garrard/Leftwich out of the water, then draft Tebow.
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by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 16, 2009 10:02 PM EDT reply actions
I will continue to homer if you continue to homer.
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 16, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Swamp II?
We might as well rename the Jaguars the Jacksonville Gators.
I like the Gators, but the whole Gator Nation shit is annoying as hell.
At least we have a sponsor of sorts.
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 16, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I own season tickets no matter what
If Tim Tebow is out there I am in my same seats anyway.
The rest of you need to buy tickets and get to the games!
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I found out i will be going to the Arizona game
how fourtante am i.
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 16, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
What are you doing before the game Sunday?
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by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 16, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
I was elsewhere for an hour, and 100+ comments?!
What happened we drafted Tebow already, or this is just a hoooooooot topic? Becaue if the latter is true, then I think I know who will be the 2010 1st round choice of the Jaguars….
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 16, 2009 10:17 PM EDT reply actions
We drafted him, sold out the stadium and won the Super Bowl - Where were you?
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Well budapest is hours ahead of us
so maybe Zoltan has seen the future :o
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 16, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Watching
some Bill Maher stuff
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 16, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Answer
To Terry’s question
Life without knowledge is death in disguise
by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 16, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I like you even more now Zoltan...
Bill Maher is one of my favorite political comedians…
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He is someone
who is worthy to listen
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 17, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Him and Dennis Miller are pretty good
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Let the Tebow Revolution begin.
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 16, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe Montana
Montana never exactly had a “true” NFL arm, but look at him and his standings in the annals of NFL history…btw first post lol
Welcome - Sorry you dropped in on this one, normally we are better behaved!
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 16, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, its bestter than wrestling
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 16, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You know I'm not a big coleage guy
in opposite, I have a few informations about it. So I don’t have the buzz nor the hype of this young man.
But I tell you something. I’m with Vic on this one. The fans don’t just wanna see Tebow as a jaguar, but Tebow as the QB who will carry this team to the Superbowl and win it.
Sure they wil buy the tickest. But if the experiment fails then I belive that will mean the end of another, bigger experiment-the Jacksonville Jaguars.
So I agree with John’s final words:
Be careful what you wish for, because it might come true.
Life without knowledge is death in disguise
by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 16, 2009 10:22 PM EDT reply actions
Zoltan, dreams do come true
haven’t you seen disney movies?
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 16, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Can i vote zach miller or MJD as a substitute for Mr.Rice?
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 16, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
The greatest college player of all time isn't good enough for a losing team
is why they are a losing team.
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i'm surprised al davis hasn't beating us to him!
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 16, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Looking at college greatness to predict future results is why this is a losing team.
by MoveThoseChains on Sep 16, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
looking at college greatness to predict future failure is futile
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 16, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
That makes no sense at all
Donald Brown gained 2000 yards running, that means he is a loser in the NFL?
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Really Terry? Really?
You’re going to delete my stats post because I disagree with you?
BCC is above that.
by MoveThoseChains on Sep 16, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously - You believe that?
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Reggie WIlliams is the only player in Washington history to have two 1,000 yard seasons
Marcedes Lewis won the John Mackey award for best college tight end.
Ki-Jana Carter rushed for 1539 yards in 1994, averaging 7.8 yards per carry.
Danny Wuerffel threw for 10,875 yards with 114 TDs, second-most in college history, with a college-record 163.56 career efficiency. He won a championship and a Heisman.
Ron Dayne won a Heisman and rushed for over 1800 yards twice.
Those players all worked out great, didn’t they?
by MoveThoseChains on Sep 16, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
For every one of those players is 50 players who have lived up to expectations.
To say if you’re a superstar in college, you’ll fail in the NFL is downright silly.
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Sep 16, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
TD!!!!
This post have the number of posts of a game live thread so….
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 16, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions
wow
lets go for the stars and hit the 1k mark!!!!!!!!
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 16, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
This post
I mean story
forgive me I’m a bit tired at 4:30 AM….
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 16, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not making a part 2
Also, Zoltan do you ever sleep?
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by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 16, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Sometimes every second day
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 16, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry
But no dice on the replacement for Rice…well maybe MJD, as long as we dont stop running when it is being successfull
Jamarcus Russell
Is the only reason the raiders are not a “Great” team right now. Everything else looks to be in place…
Why, because they hung with an 8-8 team that needed a miracle to make the playoffs last year?
By that measure, the Jags are doing great in hanging with the Colts, and the 49ers are in even better shape too after beating the Cardinals.
by MoveThoseChains on Sep 16, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Here is an interesting watch for everyone
Now, I am neither for nor against us drafting Tebow, but this is a decent vid of his highlights from last year. Be sure to watch the speed on the ball in some of his passes in the Arkansas game…
watched it along with mccoy's
mccoy’s release is insane
tebow leans forward a lot more than most and that’s where his kick is coming from
bradford is still the most complete, i feel
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The Spread
Both teams run the spread very effectively, which really skews how good a QB is in terms of NFL talent, i.e. alex smith…or is that just me seeing things?
bradford's hurt
I rather have Snead or Mccoy over Bradford.
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for some of his more floater passes
pretty accurate, i credit good field vision, and the motion is fast enough for my tastes, i think it only takes under 2 seconds for him to release the ball.
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Tebow will not sell tickets.
People say he would, but what proof is there? Vic Ketchman came up with the idea that Wayne Weaver should make up 3 year contracts saying “If the Jaguars draft Tebow, I will buy season tickets.” He said one person wrote him and said “send me a contract”. Surely more than one person would be willing to do that, but I guarantee you there would not be a response that comes close to the number we would need to sell out the stadium.
That’s the biggest problem with our fan base. Everyone will talk, but not everyone will follow through. As soon as Tebow is drafted, all those folks saying they would buy tickets if we had Tebow would disappear. Just like they did when they said “If we get rid of Leftwich I’ll buy tickets.”
Tebow isn’t the solution. Winning is the solution, and it’s very unclear that Tebow wold bring winning to the Jacksonville Jaguars. I personally, do not think he will at the NFL level. Vince Young and Jamarcus Russel come to my mind as examples of what we might see from him.
by jimbrophoto on Sep 17, 2009 12:58 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Neither have the leadership
Or the determination that Tebow has. Look at there personalities, they way they come across is interviews. Cocky does not equate to strong. Tebow will do fine. Hide and watch. If you’re right you can pat yourself on the back. What if you’re wrong?
Vae Victis!
I'm pretty sure Tebow wouldn't holdout like Jamarcus did.
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 17, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Leardership only accounts for so much.
If you aren’t a good player, what is leadership going to do for you? Nothing. I’m not saying Tebow isn’t a good player. He is. But you have to admit it’s a big risk taking a guy like him in the draft. It’s a big risk any time you take a QB high in the draft.
Half of Tebow’s game is running the ball himself and knocking out helpless college kids who try to tackle him. I’ve got news: he can’t do that in the NFL.
So take away his running ability (because it WILL be taken away at the next level), and see if Tebow can beat everyone like he does now with only his arm. I don’t think he can.
Hide and watch? Why would I hide? Why would I want to pat myself on the back? All I want is the Jaguars to do good. i’m on their side. As long as they do good, I don’t care who is the QB.
As burned out as i am about this
Tebow is a good player and the majority of the time he throws the ball and everyone stops doing the option and bootlegs in the Nfl, I think he uses his running to stay mobile, and i think you’re thinking of a college style micheal vick.
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Just a Quick Thought
Say a season ticket deal is $500 for nosebleed seats. Say Tebow signs a contract with the Jags for $5 million a year. Guess what, that’s the same price as 10,000 of those season tickets in a nosebleed section. What does that mean? No clue, but it was intersting sounding huh?
How about instead of putting all faith on 1 player that is still in college the Jags worry about building a consistent winner and getting good quality young guys stocked on the roster?
Ignore the hype; look at the results.
I will put my faith in whoever i want, thank you very much
:)
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Again with the lame excuses for ticket sales.
The worst excuse is the one I read here at BCC the most. Provide the city with a consistant winning team, and we will buy tickets.
If cities could only sell tickets when their NFL franchise was winning, stadiums would need to be built in every city around the nation for the frequent moves the teams would have to make.
People, you are either a fan or not. You support the team or you dont. Youre better off convincing yourself that you dont care if the Jaguars move from Jacksonville than coming up wit hexcuses as to when and how tickets are going to be sold.
by indianajagfan on Sep 17, 2009 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hey, Crazy Marketing Always Works
Read some of my other posts and you’ll see how I feel on this. If Jacksonville cannot support the Jags then the Jags should move on. If people think that drafting Tebow will save the franchise then maybe it’s not worth saving (I think it is).
The point is that putting dumb marketing promotions ahead of sound roster management is idiotic. Why don’t we trade our washing machine for a point guard with bad knees (oh wait, that was “Semi Pro”. My Bad).
Maybe since I live out in Texas I don’t understand the Tebow hysteria as well as people that see it every weekend. But acedarney raises a good point; outside of Florida and the SEC most of the country is focused on other guys at QB. If it weren’t for bigcatcountry I would rarely hear the name. He is a great athlete, but in the NFL, to succeed at QB, you have to be a great quarterback first and foremost. Of that I’m not convinced.
Ignore the hype; look at the results.
I would be at the stadium every week
but we can only afford 3 tickets adn we let different family members use it.
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HEY EVERYBODY!
I’m in California right now, and no one gives a sh*t about TIm Tebow. Some don’t even know who he is. You UF sheep are going nuts over this guy and when he gets to the NFL and sucks, he will be forgotten.
I'm in California too
And I’m going to respectfully disagree. He isn’t quite the superstar that he is in the state of Florida, but he isn’t a nobody. People know who he is and care very much about where he’ll go in the NFL.
by Adam Stites on Sep 17, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing is...
He is something here. That’s all that matters. If you’re in Jax, or from Jax, you know. If you don’t live in Jax, if you’re not going to the games, if you have no vested interest…you could care less. That’s fine. We love Tebow because he’s a hometown hero. If that doesn’t work for you fine. What do you have to loose. Your not here, your not investing into the Jaguars. When you show up at the game and slap a high five, then I’ll understand your passion. Until then, your just another faceless name. Show up.
Vae Victis!
Seriously
Since he’s a hero in Florida that means he’ll be great for the Jaguars? All I care about is the Jaguars succeeding, but if it means selling out all roster integrity for this guy then how is that better than anything Shack did.
And don’t you dare question my passion for the Jags. I’m working out a budget so I can buy tickets and donate them through the Jags ticket office since I can’t go to games.
What the hell is happening to the mood here? Viator, I can’t take Friday off, fly halfway across the country to Jacksonville to attend a game. I’d love to, but I can’t. Because I want the Jags to stay in Jacksonville I’m donating a few tickets. What do I get out of the deal? With thinking like yours not a damned thing since I apparently “care less”.
Screw off.
Ignore the hype; look at the results.
Well if you're not here, you're not vested.
Maybe the team could move to Texas. Tebow will help with sales.
Vae Victis!
I'm sorry
I don’t mean to rile you. I’m just saying. It’s not about you. I want what is in the best interest of the Jacksonville Jaguars. That means keeping my team in my city. I believe Tim would be good for us. I wouldn’t lobby for him otherwise. Have a nice day.
Vae Victis!
being a fan is being vested
being in jacksonville does not mean being a fan
bad argument
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Since he's a hero in Florida does that mena he wouldn't succeed?
There’s two sides to every opinion
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I like the Atlanta Braves
I love the Gators. I don’t go to games for either team, because I can not. I do go to the Jaguars games. I’m from Jax. I live in and love Jax. If you are not going to the games, for me, your voice is somewhat diluted. My opinion is not the end all be all. So who cares? I’m just a fan expressing an opinion. If you don’t like it, chances are I don’t like yours. C’est la vie. It’s a good thing we don’t live together. We can cheer together, we can’t live together. I’m good with that. Are you?
Vae Victis!
So even though I contribute money to the Jags organization
My opinion is diluted? I’ve spent a crap load on Jags merchandise from Jaguars.com, but because of my location my opinion shouldn’t count for something? I’m buying a couple of flex packs instead of a new tv, and my opinion doesn’t matter?
You, sir, are an ass.
Ignore the hype; look at the results.
Ok
Again, just my opinion. You are attacking me, not my opinion. You would not do that in person.
Vae Victis!
Sir
I broke one of my cardinal rules, and that is getting into a pissing match with someone that won’t listen.
My premise is that Tim Tebow will not be a quality NFL quarterback. Your premise is that he is good for ticket sales, and that he will be a quality quarterback. Fair enough.
Listen to yourselves: This kid is still in college, and he’s going to be the force that drives the Jags from blackouts to sell outs? Maybe some of the people in Jacksonville need to miss some of the games this year; maybe that will motivate some of those that can afford it to go out there and buy tickets. I hear “oh, Jacksonville is a small market, and it’s been hit hard by the economy.” Seriously, 3% of those in Jacksonville can’t afford tickets? 3% of Jacksonville is a sold out stadium.
This whole Tebow debate is embarrassing. Can you imagine the Raiders fans saying “If they don’t draft Matt Leinart then it won’t motivate me to go to the games”? And yet their fans continued to show up when they reached on Michael Huff. They still bought merchandise, and they still supported their team because it is their team.
Jacksonville needs time to establish a fan base, I understand that. But reaching on Tebow in Round 1 is not the way to do it. If they grab him in round 3 or 4 so be it, but that 1st pick in the draft is so important. Why are the Jags having on the field problems now? Every first rounder (except Marcedes and Reggie…well) have busted. This team needs some wins in drafting, and those will translate to wins on the field. This draft class looks to be great. Why not let it ride again next year instead of throwing integrity out the window?
Ignore the hype; look at the results.
And Viator
I would say all that to your face and more.
Ignore the hype; look at the results.
However it happens...
I’d be in favor of that. That’s my opinion. Sorry you hate it…or that it makes you angry. Regardless of your feelings, I feel the same. Tebow!
Vae Victis!
No, Sir
It embarrasses me. People get upset that the Jaguars don’t get better national “pub”, then get hung up on “This guy is awesome; I hope the Jags draft him.” You want national respect, Jacksonville?
Then please realize that there are 100+ other Division 1 schools, and some of them even have capable players that might just happen to be better in the pros than some former Gators. You want the Jaguars to succeed? How about finding more players like Derek Cox, Clint Ingram…You know, guys not from the SEC. Then merge those guys with those SEC guys worthy of being on your Professional team, and go out and win games. And hope your fans don’t backlash because Alex Smith…I mean Tim Tebow isn’t on your team.
Ignore the hype; look at the results.
That's the scouts' job
I’m a fan. One without a brain, obviously. I’m sorry that I’m not as good at this as you are. Do you get paid…as a scout? You should, you’re real good.
Vae Victis!
I Surrender
You are correct, we should let the scouts do their job.
After a smoke and some time away from the keyboard I realized that I should not have let your comments offend me. I apologize, viator, and thank God we live in a country that will allow us to come together and argue about football.
I was rude, sir, and I apologize. I apologize about the anger that I showed. Tensions are high right now, and this trivial matter should not add to that tension. We both want the Jags to succeed, and they will with some time and seasoning. I hope you have a good rest of the day.
Ignore the hype; look at the results.
I think we have a breakthrough
Go Jags and Jag fans.
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Alright!
I’m with you, brother. I apologize to you as well. I know there is a better way to word my comments. I should never come across so combative. Thank you for the mercy of reconciliation. I appreciate that you initiated it, and am ashamed that I did not do so myself. It’s tough to see what we love be put through the grinder. It breaks my heart to see the Jaguars struggle both on the field and in the stands. It hurts like having to put your best dog down. We shouldn’t let the anxiety turn us upon one another. Implosion is not going to help us. We need to be united. Unified under the single passion of loving the Jaguars. We can disagree about method, but in the end we will hold no sway over what comes to pass. That responsibility belongs to Gene. We can only hope, speculate, and wish. If wishes were horses we’d all ride.
Peace to you, harper
v
Good day
Vae Victis!
This is why we don't censor often... We're all adults here.
We’re all adults, we can get mad, but then we gather ourselves, and act accordingly. Thank you both for apologizing and displaying such proper etiquette , it encourages others to do the same, and brings the site up.
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It's official, this is the most popular non-Game thread in BCC History
I wonder what that says about us
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by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 17, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions
Well about 10 of us made around 15 comments each
Its a good debate that is multifauceted
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We love and hate Tim Tebow...
He’s polarizing. He’ll be out of your hair after November 28th. No more worries. He won’t haunt you by being on your favorite NFL team if he meets the highest expectations. You’d love him as much as we do. If the opposite is true, you can hold your head high because you were right. Small penance, I know, if the Jags take a nose dive because of it. But think of the possibilities if it works! You wanna tell me that miracles don’t happen?
Vae Victis!
It's hilarious, obviously you hit on a great topic
Let the “pissing match” continue.
My 2 cents: Regardless of what we think of the SEC, or the Gators here in Jax, Tebow is clearly 1 of Someone obviously asked him his opinion of the whole ‘Draft Tebow’ thing, and I think he is right, he would be a fool from a business standpoint to overlook the possible impact of drafting the area’s most popular player that probably ever played college football.
And oh, btw, the guy is arguably one of the best QBs in college, and we desperately need a young QB. No way that Gene drafts him if he has to reach for him in the draft, though.
Life's battles don't always go
To the stronger or faster man;
But soon or late the man who wins
Is the one who thinks he can.
Tebow...
He’d be phenomenal for Jax. It’s a gamble I’d take. I’m pretty lucky. If he busted, God Bless him. He’d move on and do well. He’ll not wither and die. He’s a man. Men handle heartbreak well. My belief is that he would not fail. Cannot fail.
Vae Victis!
is this pissing match for distance or who can write their name better in the sand with mr johnson??
Sean Jax Beach Bum
hey!
No modified super soakers allowed :P
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Oops, changed my train of thought, won't be getting paid for that post!
Life's battles don't always go
To the stronger or faster man;
But soon or late the man who wins
Is the one who thinks he can.
It was a pretty good thought
I’m not in favor of reaching for Tebow if we have a top 5 draft pick maybe not a top 10, but I think he can succeed and hope he does.
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